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USCongDistState Templates

I've put up 53 templates and 9 redirects for deletion which have the titles Template:USCongDistState01, Template:USCongDistState02, ..., Template:USCongDistState53. These templates have all been replaced with a single template, namely, Template:USCongDistStateList. The 9 redirect templates are for Template:USCongDistState1 ... Template:USCongDistState9. --CapitalR 23:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's a good idea. Delete per nom. —Markles 01:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Destroy8 of them don't work and if you want a district look it up!--Gangsta-Easter-Bunny 12:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:55, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Userbox clarifications

I will have Userboxbot (talk · contribs) substitute the userboxes I have nominated if they get a majority opinion to substitute. Sound good? --Cyde Weys 22:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please. I think this ought to be standard operating procedure for deleted userboxes, if not policy. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Assault Series

Delete - Aye, get rid of it. --Knucmo2 22:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
delete --Doc ^ask? 22:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space, as per Doc. Nhprman 22:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Uh, I don't know if you noticed, but this isn't a userbox. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete; a simple Wikilink to the other in each article will suffice. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All userboxes below

I didn't feel like copying my vote multiple times below, so I just created this section. The following votes (you can add your own) should be accounted for all userboxes listed below:

Userfy/subst: and delete per WP:ENC. Misza 13 ^{T C} 17:06, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Bad nomination - none of these have had a tfd tag added to them, so they need to have the tag added and be relisted under today's date. Obviously all the remarks below can be moved across as well. ~~SeventyThree^(Talk) 19:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)~~ I'd still go for relisting them, including the current discussions, to today's section - but that's a small thing in comparison. Thanks for tagging them, Clyde. SeventyThree^(Talk) 21:59, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thanks, Cyde! Since he did this, he's ironically helped illustrate the dangers of social networking perfectly. I think the evidence of vote stacking below is quite clear. The "keeps" are coming out of the woodwork now, to the tune of 90% "keep" (and I'm not sure people understand what "delete" means - it means only deleting in template space, of course, not from Wikipedia entirely. They could still be text-based boxes.) - Nhprman 02:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (not withstanding any specific argument I place at any below), these aren't hurting anything, Wikipedia is not paper. If you don't like them, don't use them. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all. Most, if not all aren't decisive or harmful in any way. They're just jokes. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 06:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- inappropriate use of Wikipedia resources. Jkelly 01:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It's a pity that administrators, who are supposed to be some of Wikipedia's most valuable contributors, choose to waste their and other contributors time with such pointless activities instead of spending it in the betterment of WIkipedia's content. Loom91 07:50, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (I have voted strong keep in some). It is a shame that a select few wish to try and warp what the community wants and give administrators a bad name. This is just stupid - please help find a solution, rather than just try and push a POV - this has become so disruptive that many have lost all hope - so it doesn't give a very good image. Does it? Ian13/talk 16:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It's also a shame that instead of voting on the MERITS of each and every box, that people don't consider the BENEFITS of deleting them from TEMPLATE SPACE and Userfying them for use in User space. There, these deletions will NEVER occur (unless, perhaps, the box is heinous or viciously attacks other users.) By reflexively "keeping" these boxes as templates, users risk going through this deletion process again and again, and many rather nice (and harmless) boxes will risk being deleted along with the bad ones. - Nhprman 18:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User_pneumono

Template:User pneumono

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space, as per Doc. Nhprman 22:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete —M e ts501^talk 23:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:42, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy. —Andux^␅ 06:40, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but Subst if deleted. I see no advantage to deletion, and it is not the business of this page to impose one editor's sense of humor upon another. Septentrionalis 15:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Advantage? Deleting it simply takes it out of template space, which is reserved for articles. Deleting it only makes it text, and it can obviously still be used on a User page, just in a different format. - Nhprman 03:03, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Template space is not and never has been reserved for articles, see Wikipedia:Template messages/User namespace. Angr (t • c) 19:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These boxes do not belong in tempate space. Period. Nhprman 18:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep, harmless. --Rory096 21:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:user married bs

Template:User married bs

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space, as per Doc. Nhprman 22:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - although this one is funny —M e ts501^talk 23:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep , but Subst if deleted. I see no advantage to deletion, and it is not the business of this page to impose one editor's sense of humor upon another. Septentrionalis 15:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if the "Jason Allen Alexander" is a user at Wikipedia and Delete in either case. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Extra Double-Srenth Very Strong Super Srength Juice Absorbed Srong Delete. There's no point of keepong that garbage, OK?

--Abyab 16:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unencyclopedic and does nothing to improve articles. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 02:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Needlessly offensive towards britney Spears. I know I wouldn't like seeing templates of the type "This user has been married to Sjakkalle" hanging around. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Sjakkalle--M @r ē ino 15:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- This is not a good userbox and is not true o any wikipedian, so it should be deleted. Felixboy 16:03, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:user addict pixe stick

Template:User addict pixe stick

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space, as per Doc. Nhprman 22:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, not hurting anything. — xaosflux ^Talk 02:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy. —Andux^␅ 06:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but Subst if deleted. I see no advantage to deletion, and it is not the business of this page to impose one editor's sense of humor upon another. Septentrionalis 15:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep-it might not be funny to some people but it is to others,and maybe if its just the way its worded we could replace it with one that says this user loves pixie sticks?mrs.sauron 00:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Half-Keep. I'm er not so sure if we should delete it, it might er be a joke so i say we er keep it.?!
Strong KeepAs the creator of this Userbox! Simply intended for humorThe Gerg 00:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unencyclopedic and does nothing to build or improve articles. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 02:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User Boris

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space, as per Doc. Nhprman 22:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. —M e ts501^talk 23:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but Subst if deleted. I see no advantage to deletion, and it is not the business of this page to impose one editor's sense of humor upon another. Septentrionalis 15:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because it may be listed under 'funny' but I used it because I really think that - Boris would make a great Tory leader IMHO. Anyway, why delete something just because it failed to make you laugh? Not everyone has the same sense of humour.

Comment - Taking it out of template space, where only articles should be, does not delete it from Wikipedia. I can still be used on a user page as text, if you think it's funny. I'd pay more attention to the nominator's words "unencylopedic template" and "template space" than the words "not funny." - Nhprman 03:08, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- Good idea, i'll try that

Subst if deleted. CMIIW 21:13, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It does no harm and its removal would serve only to gratify a handful of killjoys. Ou tis 14:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is a political view, I truly believe that it would be super of Boris Johnson led the Tories, unlike wet-behind-the-ears Cameron. If you're deleting this then you'll have to delete ALL political userboxes. Sergeant Snopake 16:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I also find your statements that these templates are 'junk' offensive and rude. I request that you modify your comments promptly. Sergeant Snopake 21:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I would only vote Tory if Boris led them - just because you think some people's opinions are 'unfunny' or 'useless', it doesn't mean we should ignore them. HawkerTyphoon 21:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Really, this is no place for a political argument on who you'd vote for... what does it have to do with writing an encyclopedia? BigShock 01:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a divisive political userbox. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 02:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, agree with Malo. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User Bright Future

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space, as per Doc. Love the lyric, hate it in template space. Nhprman 22:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy. —Andux^␅ 06:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but Subst if deleted. I see no advantage to deletion, and it is not the business of this page to impose one editor's sense of humor upon another. Septentrionalis 15:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What you're not saying is that deletion doesn't destroy this box - or "impose" anything on anyone. It simply takes it out of the space reserved for articles. Everyone should be in favor of that. - Nhprman 03:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep Oh but it's funny. Friendly Neighbour 06:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep I love it (Deng 17:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC))[reply]
Keep. If you give people somewhere to put a little silliness in the system, namely their userpages, it should keep it out of the real articles... and isn't that what we're all here for, the articles? BigShock 00:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unencyclopedic and does nothing to build or improve articles. I'm glad some of you find this funny, however funny does not build an encyclopedia. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 02:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, there's no reason to delete this because you don't think it's funny. You can't say "get this out of templatespace" after opposing a userboxspace... --Rory096 03:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I don't think this was ever supposed to be funny. Isn't it a reference to nuclear war?--M @r ē ino 15:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User Cave

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space, as per Doc. Nhprman 22:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, not hurting anything. — xaosflux ^Talk 02:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but Subst if deleted. I see no advantage to deletion, and it is not the business of this page to impose one editor's sense of humor upon another. Septentrionalis 15:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, Not finding a a userbox funny is not valid reason to delete it. Besides, what about the users who do live in caves? And I don't ask that humorously. -TwilightPhoenix 23:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone must be living in a cave if they don't realize that deleting this box simply takes it out of the space reserved for articles. They can still use this on thier user page as a "user-fied" text Userbox. If they have a computer in their cave, that is. Nhprman 03:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep Oh but it's funny. Friendly Neighbour 06:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This userbox was made into a template to allow it to be easily copied. If the consensus is reached that this is not a proper use for templates, this userbox should be subst:ed wherever it is used. Blarneytherinosaur 08:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with this reasoning. It will still be very easy to use once it's moved from Template space. It's a matter of cut/paste. Nhprman 17:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Pc's don't go in caves.
Keep. Is there any reason to get rid of it, aside from the fact that you personally wouldn't use it? Besides, take my word for it, if you want more people joining Wikipedia, stupid little things like userboxes do help some new people get comfortable with the whole system BigShock 00:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unencyclopedic. Perhaps having more users to wikipedia would be a benefit, however we do not want to give them the wrong idea of what it means to be a wikipedian. This means keeping general silliness out of the template space. I suggest new users build themselves a sandbox in their userspace, in order to experiment and get comfortable with this system. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 02:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If Template:User Italy stays, then this stays. Some people really do live in caves, and they wouldn't appreciate being told that being proud of their home is "not funny" or "junk".--M @r ē ino 15:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep'. Why can't computers go in caves? Ian13/talk 16:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User Jimbo v. Willy

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think it's funny. ILovePlankton ⁽^T^—^C^—^U^—^L⁾ 22:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- "Funny" isn't an inclusion criteria. --Cyde Weys 22:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - True. Nor is "simply not funny" a deletion criterion. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - That's ridiculous. The default assumption on Wikipedia is not inclusion. Remember, we are building an encyclopedia, not building a free webhost. I can think of an arbitrarily large number of silly joke templates; none of them actually deserve to be here, though. We're just running into some inertia because people seem to have grown attached to these things. --Cyde Weys 22:53, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      - Before going farther down that road, I would suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Userbox_policy, an emerging policy proposal that would provide a policy framework for the preservation of userboxes in general. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 23:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space, as per Doc and nom. Nhprman 22:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, or, at least, subst The reasons for mass deleting all these userboxes are too weak. Cyde appears to be attempting to get rid of userboxes on Wikipedia altogether. I would support movng these into the User namespace, but not mass deletion. CSD is set up so that templates like {{user Dog Owner}} and {{user Cat Owner}} could also be deleted. How about slapping those on this page too while you're at it, Cyde? You have lost it. I am going to be WP:CIVIL now, though, and just shut up. --Pilot|guy 02:08, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I've "lost it" have I? You guys don't like the speedy deletions and you tell me to bring them to TFD, so I do. And then you tell me I've "lost it"? Nice one, you're really legitimizing the "every little bit of random crap has every right to stay on Wikipedia" position. --Cyde Weys 06:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy per Pilotguy. —Andux^␅ 06:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the same can be expressed outside of a userbox. --Knucmo2 14:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I see no advantage to deletion, and it is not the business of this page to impose one editor's sense of humor upon another. This one, however, comes too close to a PA Septentrionalis 15:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst, delete, and BJAODN. Stifle (talk) 16:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a subst. Obviously, someone thinks it's funny if about 25 wikipedians have it on their userpage.--The i kiroid (talk)^{(Help Me Improve)} 20:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This is one ubx I can agree on deleting. --Rory096 07:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Yes, tis one is actually offensive. But only this one in the brazillion proposed for deletion. Friendly Neighbour 07:28, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Why is it offensive? I don't understand how it could be.--The i kiroid (talk)^{(Help Me Improve)} 20:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I think this is the sort of fun we can allow people to have on their userpages, and I'm sure the Jimbo v. Willy match would draw a huge crowd anywhere in North America. But trim out the Chuck Norris bit to save space. Seahen 15:28, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you support the "Delete" "Userfy" or "Subst" position, you can still keep this box, but it will simply be moved from the Template space to the User space. It's a technical change. It's only "junk" in the Template space, a fine distinction not made by the nominator. - Nhprman 20:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. If you give people somewhere to put a little silliness in the system, namely their userpages, it should keep it out of the real articles... and isn't that what we're all here for, the articles? BigShock 00:50, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unencyclopedic, no service to article improvement, -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 02:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy. Too narrow to be of use in template space, but still it is pretty humorous. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Usually I'd vote to delete this faster than a squirrel on an acorn, since we shouldn't be advertising for vandals, but since it was the admins who advertized Mr. Wheels's presence in the first place, I guess they've already made the exception for him.--M @r ē ino 15:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User dolphin

dlph-1

Eeek ack sque'ek ook kkkk'k squeek.

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom (though, for the record, I think that this one is quite amusing). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space, as per Doc. Nhprman 22:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am the author of this template, you can delete it Ashibaka tock 04:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy. —Andux^␅ 06:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Subst. This one is funny. Septentrionalis 15:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep squeek eeeeeek. Definitely. This is hilarious. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 20:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- I am majoring in Marine Biology, I find it funny. There are far worse pointless boxes there, that's why it's in the humorous icon section. Griz 01:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. --Chris (talk) 22:24, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Folks, it may be funny, but the main point here is that it doesn't belong in Template space, which is reserved for articles. Deleting it and "substituting" it makes it available to users on Userpages as text. Please reconsider this issue. Nhprman 03:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- But then what's to become of userboxes, or why werer they created as templates in the first place? I know there's a debate ongoing about userboxes in general, but why this userbox and not the one that says "This user is male" or "This user is an administrator on the English Wikipedia" or whatnot? If you delete this userbox, which is genuinely funny, get rid of the lot. Then again, I don't know the details of the debate. More insight would be appreciated, thanks. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 04:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The debate over Templated userboxes - the "Userbox War" - dates back over a year, probably earlier. In a nutshell, here's how I see this situation: As templates, Userboxes can be (and have been) used to "rally" people of a certain group (Christians, Anti-Christians, Leftists/Rightists, etc.) to support or revert article edits and even to delete or support Userboxes during debates like this one. As templates that are linked together in one place, that lend itself to the creation of categories such as "Wikipedians who are Pro-Life" etc. This is divisive (divides the community into "tribes") and inflammatory (encourages others to create opposing boxes and groups of users.) Those two words are important because, according to "speedy deletion" criteria for deleting templates ("T1" and now "T2",) it means they can be deleted. Bear in mind most Templates are used in the creation of articles - as info boxes, warnings and other notations. So another argument is that Userboxes shouldn't really be there at all because they are out of place. Both are good arguments against having them as templates, IMHO. By "Substituting" them, they remain on Users' pages, and new ones can exist as text, and can be copy/pasted into User pages rather easily. There is a FURTHER argument being made that Userboxes shouldn't exist at all here in ANY form, because they are contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia (to edit an encyclopedia.) But that's really a separate argument, one that I feel it will completely go away if people vote to Delete and Subst. these boxes now. Hope this helps! Nhprman 17:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- Templatespace is reserved for articles? Wow, better start TfDing {{proposed}}, {{policy}}, {{guideline}} and all the others ({{TfD}} anyone?)! --Rory096 21:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy or Subst Funny? Perhaps. But this really does not need to be in the template space. joturn e r 14:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Userfy. Signed, Fr e dd ie 15:20, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. What if someone is a begginer at dolphin, then they wouldn't be able to show that? --Abyab 16:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It is really funny (which is IMHO not any worse an argument than "this is not funny"). Friendly Neighbour 18:03, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, does not harm the encyclopedia. Template space is incidentally not reserved for articles and never has been: take a look at Wikipedia:Template messages/User namespace. Angr (t • c) 19:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. Harmless. Hezzy 21:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Hezzy. The Gerg 22:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and protect...this one had me cracking up just by seeing it. Bastique▼^parlervoir 22:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, not hurting anything (and I chuckled when I first saw it). --Rory096 21:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User edible userboxes

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - wasteful nonsense. Meta-wasteful nonsense at that. --Knucmo2 21:59, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space, as per Doc. Nonsense. Nhprman 22:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. —M e ts501^talk 23:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:48, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy. —Andux^␅ 06:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst per doc, or Keep or userfy. " because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale? " Septentrionalis 22:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
keep i dont see anything wrong with it,if you dont like it dont use it.mrs.sauron 00:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Oh but it's funny. Friendly Neighbour 06:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strongest Keep in the Solar System Cyde just needs a hug to get him out of his userbox depression-User:Gangsta-Easter-Bunny/sig-(12:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
You might want to watch you don't personally attack Cyde there. Werdna_Tc@bCmLt 23:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and Delete. There's no harm if people keep it without wasting template space. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep stronger than the pull of a black hole. I'm abyab, and you can't delete it without MY permission. --Abyab 16:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep.Hezzy 21:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. WTF? WP:UBX. Everything about why they should not be deleted unesscearly is not there. The Gerg 22:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this does not help build or improve articles. If anything it helps promote a movie. This sort of thing is okay in the userspace, but not in the template space. --malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 02:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I don't understand why user boxes must be deleted as long as they are only used for personal pages. Also, I disagree with the proposer: I think this one is very funny - and also harmless, actually. If it was inflammatory, then that would be a different story, and even then who decides? This is petty, if you ask me.--SoniaUK 09:59, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - They are in template space and that's not where they belong. If they are Deleted moved to the User space these boxes will be available for EVERYONE to use on their User pages, but will NOT be subject to future deletions by those who think they aren't funny, or whatever reason they have. By "keeping" them in template space, you keep them in danger. - Nhprman 18:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It is funny, and harmless. --Rory096 21:09, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'm using this on my bloody user page! Mr Bisciut 21:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Deleted --Cyde Weys 22:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User ownage

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space, as per Doc. Nhprman 22:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:48, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst per doc, or Keep or userfy. " because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale? " Septentrionalis 22:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:User hostage

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space, as per Doc. Nhprman 22:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom —M e ts501^talk 23:41, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think it's funny =( --mboverload 00:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, not hurting anything. — xaosflux ^Talk 02:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep or at lest Subst. Heltec talk
Keep this one, or Subst per doc, or userfy. " because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale? " Septentrionalis 22:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
keep, or subst if you must. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 05:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Oh but it's funny. Friendly Neighbour 06:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 19:20, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and Delete. This would classify as T1, as it is offensive toward asians (I'm a asian!). However, it is humorous, and should be kept for excatly that, but not in template namespace. The Gerg 22:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete, per nom. This could also be interpreted in a racially offensive manner. Werdna_Tc@bCmLt 22:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Offensive to the Chinese. (What the...? For once I am being more userbox deletionist that Doc?) Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:50, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- TEMPLATE EDITED in response to Sjakkalle's complaint. Hopefully this removes the gratuitous and possibly offensive reference to Chinese people.--M @r ē ino 15:44, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - no problems in its current wording. Ian13/talk 16:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep How else can we find and rescue the people trapped in those abominations? :P But seriously, userboxes are a part of the "culture" of Wikipedia, and they shouldn't be deleted because you don't like them. Toad King 20:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User Senioritis

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space, as per Doc. Nhprman 22:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom —M e ts501^talk 23:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst per doc, or Keep or userfy. " because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale? " Septentrionalis 22:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep - unencyclopedic is simply not true, relates to a legitimate condition, propperly cited in its wikipedia article, senioritis. Wikipedia:Subst is neither here nor there. Subst all the userboxes or none. Chad --> Eclectek 23:07, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep - Userboxes are a source of expression man, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having this one around. Not all userboxes have to be funny to be left. It hurts no one. Keep or subst if deleted, though it would be a shame if all of these userboxes were deleted. Thistheman 23:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep - agree with eclectek, this is one box that actually has merit to it. Its not meant to be funny; if you've ever been a member of a senior class in high-school or college, you will know that senioritis is real. If you are going to entertain the possibility of removing this box, then why not delete the senioritis article? Nbruschi 00:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- senioritis is very real. Griz 01:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Senioritis may be real, and it may be a funny Userbox, but it shouldn't be a Template. That's the point of this deletion. Ending it as a template does NOT destroy this box, it only alters its format. It can still go on a user page (if you must put it there.) Please consider supporting deletion as a template. - Nhprman 01:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Oh but it's funny. Friendly Neighbour 06:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Eclectek. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:47, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Eclectek. -Seahen 15:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Eclectek. -Darkdan 02:59, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Substituted and Deleted --Cyde Weys 01:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User iamafish-en

This user is a fish, or at least thinks so.

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space, as per Doc. Nhprman 22:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst per doc, or Keep or userfy. This nomination coes not help the project. Septentrionalis 22:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I prefer to see humans editing Wikipedia. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
keep. it isnt funny to some people but if you dont like it just dont use it!mrs.sauron 16:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Substituted and Deleted --Cyde Weys 01:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User iamalemming-en

This user is a lemming, or at least thinks so.

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I agree with everyone else on this one. Nhprman 22:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst per doc, or Keep or userfy. argues expertise. Septentrionalis 22:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

keep. i have the same opinion of this one as the other ones that people say arent humorous-just dont use it if you dont like it.mrs.sauron 16:26, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:User iamamonarch-en

This user is a monarch, or a megalomaniac.

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space, as per nom. and Doc. Nhprman 22:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst per doc, or Keep or userfy. Editors are un padi volunteers; how does this harm the encyclopedia. Septentrionalis 22:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep But I am! Why can't we keep it? Alx xlA 03:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You can keep it. Just not as a template. If you vote "Delete" it will be saved as text, and you can cut/paste it onto your site. Please consider changing to "Delete and Subst" (substitute as text.) - Nhprman 07:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep Oh but it's funny. Friendly Neighbour 06:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You realize, of course, that this is a discussion and a debate, not a "vote" and flippant comments here won't count for much in the final analysis, right? Nhprman 07:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If this is not a vote, how can "as per nom. and Doc" be a discusson point? Your vote/opinion means basically "me too". Mine is an opinion that the userbox is funny and therefore should be kept. Friendly Neighbour 07:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"as per" means I'm agreeing with the substantive opinion expressed by another. Since there are dozens of boxes, I'm not going to repeat it, though perhaps I should, since the argument bears repeating. "It's funny" isn't a valid criteria, as stated in the Template deletion policy. The nominator may have also erred in basing his argument on "funny," since humor is not mentioned as a critera for deleting or saving a Templated Userbox. Note that my agreement stated above was with the nominator's point that this doesn't belong in template space. Also, Doc noted that it is unencyclopedic and I agreed with that point. I also agree with Doc's point that Users should be able to continue using it as a text box (which BTW is identical to the templated box, but simply isn't a template.) Hope this clears things up. Nhprman 16:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So we do agree that "as per" means "I agree". Therefore it is clearly a vote, not opinion. The opinion had been already stated, you just added your vote for it. Friendly Neighbour 17:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, I agreed with the logic of the first person who stated it. That's not a "vote," per se, but I see where you're getting that. When the person who closes these nominations goes over these entries, he/she will not be (or SHOULD not be, anyway) counting them up and tallying them. Anyone who "votes" but doesn't specify which part of the T1 (or T2) policies they are agreeing with will probably have their entries ignored. And since Wikipedia is not a democracy, and we don't have mob rule here, this will be a perfectly acceptable mode of deciding if these stay as templates or simply become Userfied boxes that people CAN STILL USE. Nhprman 17:20, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, maybe people like the box and not a line of colored text. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 07:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
keep see my comments above.mrs.sauron 16:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:User iamanaeroplane-en

This user is an aeroplane, and can be annoying. No offence to pilots.

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space. Insane. Nhprman 22:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom —M e ts501^talk 23:41, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Aeroplanes are not allowed to edit Wikipedia. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Ambuj.Saxena Werdna_Tc@bCmLt 22:47, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Speedy delete (Classic T1) Will (^E_@) T 19:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User monolingual

Unencyclopedic template, simply not funny, no point in having around. Get this junk out of template space. --Cyde Weys 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom (although I do think that this one is funny). —MiraLuka 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete unencyclopedic- but no need to deny the users their userpage fun. --Doc ^ask? 22:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from template space. Divisive. Nhprman 22:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom —M e ts501^talk 23:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst if deleted. I have no opinion on whether the template should be kept or not, but if it is deleted it should be subst'ed on any user pages where it is transcluded. (I also think this one is funny, which is neither here nor there.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Userboxes in Wikipedia:Userboxes/Religion

Wikipedia:Userboxes/Religion (edit | [[Talk:Wikipedia:Userboxes/Religion|talk]] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Under the revised CSD T1, and of the recent deletion of {{User Christian}}, some of these are applicable for speedy deletion. However, I'll let the community decide. Will (^E_@) T 15:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please, if you vote to delete, please remember that they should be subst'd first. I abstain from voting. Will (^E_@) T 15:56, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Will. Long overdue. Please note that the broad criterion is now T2. Septentrionalis 15:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Although the amazingly broad CSD T1 really does call for the deletion of most of these userboxes, I would think that at least those in the first section (i.e. {{user religion}} through {{user lennonist}}) would be exempt. - Nellis 16:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all - The case for keeping these on Wikipedia is an extremely weak one. It's said that it's a good thing that people know a user's "biases." Regarding religion, what historical lesson would bear that out? In 1970s Ireland? present-day Iraq? Russia, past or present? Even in much of the West, today, religion can be a source of great controversy. Not to say that society shouldn't openly deal with religion and issues of religious pluralism, but the crux of the issue here is Wikipedia is not a society. It is not a place for debating religion, opposing or supporting religious beliefs or advertising religious connections with colorful "bumper stickers" that sometimes go beyond advertising straight into advocacy (and sometimes negativity.) WP is also not the place for social networking, according to its founder, and Wikipedia policy. Yet, we have "Christian Wikipedians" and "Muslim Wikipedians," etc. as categories. This is contrary to the mission of Wikipedia, and the Templated boxes serve to divide and tribalize Wikipedia. It's time for all religion-themed Userboxes to go. Nhprman 17:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all, but no vote is necessary or applicable. Just speedy them. --Improv 19:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment — I'd like to echo Will's call for the templates to be subst'ed before deletion. This will save a massive amount of angst in the long run. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Tfd should be specified more clearly, is this all those listed on that page at the start of the afd, or the end? Will adding or removing a template to/from that page change its deletion status? Also, if the result is delete, who is going to do all the substing? Regards, MartinRe 19:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all. Deleting them solves nothing unless you start next censoring userpage. Alternatively, you can do a Cyde & Gmaxwell deleting all except {{user satanist}}. Friendly Neighbour 19:19, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all. We have been over this, and over this, and over this. There is not now, never has been, and never will be consensus to delete userboxes reflecting religious beliefs in an unoffensive manner. Angr (t • c) 19:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- They also said that man would never be able to fly, and then look what happened. Saying something is never going to happen just sets yourself up to look foolish in the end. --Cyde Weys 21:56, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - As far as I know, man still can't fly. Aircraft can fly, and can carry people, but people themselves still can't. Angr (t • c) 19:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all every though they're all speedy candidates. Mackensen (talk) 19:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all. Per Angr. --MediaMangler 19:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep a select few weak {{user religion interest}} {{user religion psychological}} {{user religion anthropological}} {{user religion aesthetic}} {{user religion metaphysical}} as not really professing a belief. keep on {{user nontheist}} {{user agnostic}} {{user nontheist}} {{user agnostic2}} {{user empirical agnostic}} {{user ignostic}} as I am not sure that saying you don't have a belief is expressing a belief. No vote on the others, but an offer to subst a portion of these. Kotepho 19:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Folks, let's be clear about this. This is about template space. You can say whatever the hell you want to on your user space. No one, least of all me, will stop you. You just shouldn't do it with a transcluded template. That's all. That's all this is about. So-called "userbox deletionists" want you to stop writing up your beliefs in template space and start doing it on your user page, individually. Thus your individual beliefs are expressed individually, not by a mass-use template. That's all this is about. Mackensen (talk) 19:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per CSD T1. Courtesy suggests substituting first. Tom Harrison ^Talk 20:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Question by "substing", do you mean substing all the templates on the same page? IronC hris | (talk) 20:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Substing where they are used, in an orderly and polite way. I had assumed that it would be done by a template at a time. Is the alternative substing all of one user page at a time? Maybe there's something to be said for that. Tom Harrison ^Talk 21:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. What I meant was, will there still be a page with the HTML codes for these templates, so that the less creatively-inclined users can still copy them onto their user page, without using a template? IronC hris | (talk) 21:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... I thought that was what substing did. If you see some html you like, copy and paste it in. I guess I'll have to defer to someone more knowledgable. Tom Harrison ^Talk 22:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep All -- AND re-revise CSD T1. Under current language, the speedy deletion would be called for, of all the templates related to: moral and spiritual beliefs; political/apolitical leanings; political party memberships; and any and all adherence to or stances upon even so much as slightly 'weighted' issues in the subjects of sociology, anthropology, and archaeology. Even speaking specifically about these topics using specialized language (as most people do) is no more or less tokenizing than just reaching for the bumpersticker (or template) and applying it if you feel it applies to yourself. "Expressing yourself", whether by drawn-out discussion and dissertation, or by self-applying a readymade label, is reduceable to the same symbolizing process. These templates existed because these subjects -- and they are subjects, not "issues" -- hold personal meaning for many people, and as with any other templates, met a demand for an easy way to connect and identify people who hold similar interests and share similar knowledge. To say that some subject is too "controversial" to be handled in this manner is really just a projection of one's insecurities towards and ignorance of that subject, and really does nothing to reflect on that subject whatsoever. A subject is a subject (is a subject), and controversy be both damned and fought with audacity! This is an attempted censorship, that's what I say! Gabriel Arthur Petrie 20:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all And I think that the mass nomination of the entire page is a little ridiculous. How are we supposed to decide the fates of all of them like this? —MiraLuka 20:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It would be POV otherwise. Do these stay as a group or do they go? Mackensen (talk) 21:25, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all, even though T1 is applicable here. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a battleground for social, moral, or religious issues. Userbox templates and user templates group Wikipedians into competing factions. This infrastructure has been used in the past to abuse our decision-making policies by vote-stacking. If you really feel it is necessary to proclaim your religion on your userpage, you can do it, but you don't need a template to do so. --Cyde Weys 20:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- That is funny — some of us actually see them as a good way of finding people with different backgrounds to ensure a broad foundation for solid articles. As for the “vote stacking” argument, vote stacking is not a specifically and uniquely userbox-related property, as far as I know. If you want to stack votes, you can simply go to an article about a specific topic and see who edits in such-and-such a way. -- Olve 20:02, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom (and subst first). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - there is a wider ranging debate about userboxes going on, but, no one is saying what you can and cannot say on your pages. Userboxes are just a waste of resources to say it though. --Knucmo2 21:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as long as they are substed. Anyone planning on bringing the political userboxes into the debate also? IronC hris | (talk) 22:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete people are free to express their POV on their pages if they like (and if they must use boxes - they can hard code them). It should be along the lines of 'I try to write neutrally, but if you see my Christian/Atheist/Budhist presuppositions slipping in let me know', but having ready made uniformed bumperstickers to group people into POV clubs is destructive - certainly not something we should use the wikipedia template space to encourage. --Doc ^ask? 22:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep All the recent deletion of User:Christian seems to primarily of been caused by some sort of edit war between an admin and some other person as I understand it, which supposedly was compleatly ridiculous anyway. Yes, i've heard about that whole Jason Gastrich thing and the vote stacking whateverness, but im pretty sure there was like only one Jason Gastrich anyway, its not like that thing was a typical occurance. Gabriel's argument also seems fairly sound to me. Homestarmy 00:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep All: this mass deletion nomination appears to be an attempt to do away with userboxes as a class of elements in Wikipedia. I would support forcing them all into the User namespace, but not mass deletion. Further, the way that the Criteria for Speedy deletion have been written, someone could speedy delete {{user Dog Owner}} and {{user Cat Owner}} on the basis that the templates indirectly express a viewpoint on which is 'man's best friend'. Perhaps, though, I've just spilled some BEANS as these templates might now find themselves on here soon as a result of my pointing them out. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not anti-userbox myself. Currently, all the templates in there are CSD T1. But, it's a controversial decision for a unilateral delete. Community consensus is the way to go. Will (^E_@) T 19:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The CSD T1 section clearly stated not long ago that the section 'does not have full community support (see this edit version, after which the caveat was removed with reference to a non-existent page). The policy wording is changing very frequently right now (45 edits in 12 May and 13 May - and 13 May not yet over) and it is not clear what the policy really is, as it might change in an hour. Such flux in an obviously contentious section of policy suggests that the criterion should be removed from policy and 'downgraded' to guideline status. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 23:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC) [reply]

Let me say something different. I take it now that the interpretation being given to Jimbo's comments at Wikipedia talk:Deletion review/Userbox debates is that all statements of personal belief are to be expunged from Wikipedia in order to make it better as they distract from creation of a better encyclopedia, among those distractions being statements of religious affiliation. Is this in fact an accurate statement, that Jimbo believes that for the betterment of Wikipedia all personal statements of belief or preference as a matter of self-description are antithetical to the creation of Wikipedia as a quality product? User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wait for something like User:Misza13/Userbox Gallery Poll to be finalized (so that's a keep all for now). No need to hurry things; better to wait for a clear policy to be developed than to take a vote right here. TheJabberwʘck 05:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all for now per Jabberwock. Thanks for the advertisement. ;-) Misza 13 ^{T C} 12:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep All Deleting while trying to work out a policy is only going to set things farther back. This will not help over the long run. --D-Day^{(Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?}) 12:58, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all (my comment above was a question) as with the policy in flux, this result would be unreliable. Misza's suggested policy looks quite similar to the method I just suggested on the CSD talk page Regards, MartinRe 13:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the 'neutral' ones. Some, both straight-faced ones like {{user religion interest}} or {{user Shinto...}}, and humourous ones like {{user messiah}}, are quite harmless (I do not intend to imply that all humourous ones are uncontroversial, as some, like {{user religion flying spaghetti monster not really}}, could possibly be construed as offensive) and their use on user pages is in no way detrimental to Wikipedia's encyclopaedic function. Note that at present I have no opinion on whether the others should be deleted (including the one I mention above in parenthesis). Ou tis 16:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep all Good grief ... do you know how many places these are used? AFD, or in this case, TFD, isn't the place to make a WP:POINT or to win a policy debate. I just found out from looking at my own user page that Template:User Christian was deleted. It is disappointing that people who have been entrusted with administrative access on this site have engaged in such a bad faith and underhanded effort. Take a look at the history for User Christian. This is unbelievable. And above, there is one user who wants to keep only those that say something along the lines of "this user is an atheist" or "this user thinks religion is something that we want to study but that people of faith are our silly little test subjects we poke fun at." Good grief, people. This is a bad faith move and you know it. Shame on you. Not proud that it had to be said, but proud to sign my name - BigDT 17:13, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep some, delete others. All of those under 'Religious interests and professions' s of this version are not value-judgments, and just mention an interest. That includes {{user religion interest}}, {{user religion psychological}}, {{user religion anthropological}}, {{user religion aesthetic}}, {{user religion metaphysical}}, {{user religion...}}, {{user slm...}}, {{user Shinto...}}, {{user sikhism}}, {{user Taoism!}}, {{user tarot}}, {{user Yeshiva}}. I'd also add {{user fsm2}} to that list. All of the "interested in" boxes are fine in template space. Everything else needs to be subst:'d onto the pages which use them. I'd also advocate producing some more neutral templates along the lines of the keeps, and having a central place to store the code. SeventyThree^(Talk) 19:06, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Speedily Strongly Keep All, completely ridiculous nomination. Crumbsucker 22:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep some, Very Weak Keep some, Neutral rest; Strong Keep for all templates that use language like "is interested in", "wishes to study", "wants to learn about", etc. (similar to what SeventyThree said); Very Weak Keep for belief-related stuff since the guidelines seem to be in flux; Neutral for humor and anything else -- Zawersh 23:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If the only options are "Keep all" and "delete all" (as indicated by the mass-nomination), then keep all. Many of the userboxes listed there are very, very clearly legitimite, as they are not "divisive and inflammatory" (T1) and do not express "personal beliefs, ideologies, ethical convictions, or viewpoints on controversial issues" (T2). Specifically, the ones that clearly do neither, in their current state, are all 12 templates in "Religious interests and professions", and various of the other templates (such as in "Religious humor"). Furthermore, mass-deleting many of these, rather than simply correcting them to be viable and valuable interest-boxes that will assist in Wikipedia-editing, is very counterproductive and will end up wasting lots more time than anyone on either side wants, by forcing the recreation of all these boxes in "interest" form. Instead of taking such excessively drastic measures, why not a compromise between the two sides: preserve most of the userboxes, but convert them to acceptable templates that reveal user interests (i.e. what articles and topics they're likely to be involved in, or willing or able to become involved in). For example, move {{user muslim}} to {{user islam}} and have it say "This user is interested in Islam." rather than "This user is a Muslim." That way we're not dividing people based on their personal beliefs in a systematic way. Another option, of course, and perhaps something we should even do in conjunction with the "belief-to-interest" transfer, is keeping the userbox code on the page by simply subst'ifying the unacceptable templates so people can still express themselves with the userboxes if they want, but without using templatespace to do it: if the anti-userbox crowd would find this acceptable, it seems like another great way to avoid conflict on the matter. However, I'm more interested in the conversion idea, because it deals directly with the issue of whether or not to delete these templates: I say no, and make the appropriate name-moves, accompanied by rewriting the text. I'll even do it myself, if no one objects; I proposed a move very like this a while ago for all the Religion Userboxes, but there was no interest at the time. -Silence 00:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. I'm offended that Template:User Christian and Template:User Atheist had to be made examples of in one of the worst examples of WP:POINT violation I've ever encountered, but if we're going to delete some of these, we need to treat them all equally. — BrianSmithson 00:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We're not going to delete some of them, we're going to undelete all of them: see Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Userbox_debates, where both User Christian and User Atheist are under debate for undeletion, and where you are 100% free to nominate any other deleted userbox you want for undeletion. Your argument is based on false premises in that you assume that the deletion of certain arbitrary userboxes is endorsed just because it hasn't yet been reversed. In fact, this is exactly the strategy that is being employed by the users who deliberately stirred up trouble to try to get {{user christian}} deleted: their hope is that by slipping one template through the cracks, they'll be able to get more and more of them deleted ("give an inch, take a mile") by building up momentum. They find this much easier than any direct or open attempts to foster consensus, as all attempts to gather consensus to delete userboxes in the past have failed, leaving anti-userbox admins with no recourse other than to try various backhanded methods at gradual deletion. Your deletion vote is thus misinformed: in reality, if consistency is an issue, it is easier to remedy an inconsistency by fixing 2 or 3 examples (the deleted templates) than by fixing hundreds (the nondeleted ones). -Silence 02:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- I have queried the developers, and there is no such thing as userspace categories or userspace templates. All categories and templates are "omnispace", they are used in all namespaces defined in a *pedia. Please do not confuse syntax (Category followed by colon and Template followed by colon) with policy. Bits are bits are bits. --William Allen Simpson 06:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all -- experts in religious beliefs and ethnicities help build the *pedia. --William Allen Simpson 06:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Tough call, really, but the professions simply must be kept to be fair (if you can say you're in Med. school, why not a seminary?) and the humurous ones domake me giggle a bit. Although there needn't be so many FSM ones, and you DO risk offending by saying you ARE God... Russia Moore 07:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep all Point of view is not inherently inflamatory and devisive. Disclosing point of view facilitates NPOV (balanced) editing. Rfrisbie^talk 20:01, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nice in theory, but in practice, POV expressions have lead to divisiveness, and Templatized Userboxes have facilitated social networking and other aspects of WP that were never intended or forseen by the founder. - Nhprman 20:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Incredibly Strong Keep All.Hezzy 21:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- inappropriate use of Wikipedia resources. Jkelly 01:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all. There is nothing inherently worng with expressing your religion. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep all. These userboxes are very useful for factbuilder networking as well as for facilitating cultural sensitivity. Regardless of the original intention of the founder, the current flourishing of Wikipedia is evidence that the current model, which includes these userboxes, works. So why “repair what isn’t broken”? -- Olve 17:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, the policies of Wikipedia, developed by the Founder and current users, do not allow for "facilitiating cultural sensitivity" as a primary goal of the project (though I'm sure it's a byproduct.) "Wikipedians have their own user pages, but they are used for information relevant to working on the encyclopedia. If you are looking to make a personal webpage or blog, please make use of one of the many free providers on the Internet. The focus of user pages should not be social networking, but rather providing a foundation for effective collaboration." (see: WP:NOT.) This type of open flaunting and contempt for Wikipedia policies is discouraging and maddening. - Nhprman 18:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I have my own website and feel no need to make a new one here. What I do feel a need for, even though that is apparently “discouraging and maddening” for some, is to have ways to seek out relevant factbuilder networking (with the emphasis on fact) FOR ARTICLE-WRITING PURPOSES. That means that I and people like me will actively seek out users with specific backgrounds to help with specific tasks. Tasks. Not barbeque parties or blogs. I and other people like me think that many of these userboxes are a big help in, to quote you, “providing a foundation for effective collaboration”. -- Olve 19:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all for now per Jabberwock.--Dangerous-Boy 18:54, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep most, delete some, Ou tis is correct that some are offensive. --Rory096 21:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:OntarioSH

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was speedy deleted per T1. Angr (t • c) 19:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Axis of Evil

Yes this template is based on a specific POV. A state of the union speech is a POV, MLK's letter from a brimingham jail is POV (template of civil rights movement), the Gettysburg address is a POV (template of historical american documents), and every single template of each major religion is based on a POV. Whats your point? --mitrebox 04:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, highly unlikely to provide value to users; hence, cannot justify cluttering major articles with it. -- Visviva 04:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This is tough call because it is a legitimate category of nations, well-known by this name (whether a person agrees with the categorization of each in this group or not) so I don't think it's POV, per se. Yet, this could easily be stated in a sentence, so why is it here - and where would it be used? I'm leaning weak delete but want to hear more of this discussion. - Nhprman 04:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – I think the biggest problem with this template is that it's placement in any of those three countries will never stick. Editors will cite it as POV, and remove it from those pages. For example, why should a certain POV have a template, and not another POV; another template will start with Western Axis of Evil and place that on the US page, etc, etc. Other templates do not spread POV but provide easier access to information; religion templates do not spread a POV, they provide different articles that explain the religion hopefully in an NPOV way, (plus you wouldn't see a muslim template on a christian page, and you wouldn't see an "Islam is good" or "Islam is bad" on the template). This template just by it's title spreads a POV. --
Delete - what's the point?Timothy Usher 05:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I can think of no usefulness. It is a specific POV.--Jusjih 08:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 :*'''Comment''' - They are in ''template space'' and that's not where they belong. If they are ''Deleted'' moved to the ''User space'' these boxes will be available for EVERYONE to use on their User pages, but will NOT be subject to future deletions by those who think they aren't funny, or whatever reason they have. By "keeping" them in template space, you keep them in danger. - [[User:Nhprman|Nhprman]] 18:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 *'''Keep'''.  It ''is'' funny, and harmless. --[[User:Rory096|Rory096]] 21:09, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
+*'''Keep'''.  I'm using this on my bloody user page! [[User:Mr Bisciut|Mr Bisciut]] 21:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
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