User talk:Ed Poor

Ed emailed me and asked me tell everyone "If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve." SqueakBox 22:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I hereby withdraw my objections to the RFA. I've chilled out considerably in the last 4 months. --Uncle Ed 03:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Removing speedy tags

Please don't remove speedy deletion tags. As the notice states, "do not remove this notice from articles that you have created yourself." If you expand it to where the article does not meet speedy-deletion criteria, or if it obviously doesn't meet it in the first place, it will not be deleted. Allow others to remove the tag. Someone else will take care of it. — Knowledge Seeker দ 03:05, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Oops; guess you've edited your talk page since I last opened it. I'm sorry to see you go; I hope you will reconsider your decision and try to keep in mind the suggestions and complaints people have left you. If you can modify your behavior, you will be able to edit without causing yourself so much stress—you can still find a balance here. Also, I'm a bit confused by your statements above: I thought you resigned your bureacrat rights because of you repeatedly deleted VfD, unblocked yourself, and deleted an RfC about you. The complaints in this FuelWagon case, while part of the same pattern, appear to be new problems; certainly the controversial blocks and such have been more recent. This is not double jeopardy. This doesn't mean you're no longer "in" or that you're not welcome. In the first place, there should be no "in"; one shouldn't think one can get away with inappropriate behavior because of one's length of time on Wikipedia. But you're certainly still welcome to edit; this decision (which has not passed yet, by the way), simply means that the arbitration committee does not feel you use administrative powers properly, and obviously, they are not alone in this matter. If they are, when you re-run for adminship, you will be easily re-promoted. This decision may actually be a good thing. Freed from the burden/temptation of adminship, you can focus on editing and perhaps not arouse as much controversy, which will lead to less stress for you as well. You can still work on Wikipedia without being an administrator. — Knowledge Seeker দ 03:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

No!!!!

Don't do it man! We need you!!! - Ta bu shi da yu 12:58, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Agreed! (Besides, I need your help to wrangle the horses.) P0M 16:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Luther and Antisemitism

Hi, Uncle Ed, I am sorry that I did not get back to you. The paragraph that you quoted is from a talk page, so I was giving my considered opinion as a Luther scholar. I agree with you that if the paragraph were in a main article, then it would have to have support of some kind. My opinion was based on the nature of the proposal that Luther put forward in his "On the Jews and Their Lies." My fellow Luther scholars do not agree with me, however, as you might be able to see in our exchanges. Depending on the way one views Anti-Judaism in contradistinction from Anti-Semitism, one might simply say that Luther's "On the Jews and Their Lies" is Anti-Judaic. In any case his final proposal in this work is indefensible and an embarrassment to me as a Lutheran Christian scholar. drboisclair 16:58, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

I'd like to thank you, first and foremost; if you're receiving this message, it's because I think you were one of the people I adopted as a personal mentor, and who helped to make the whole Wikipedia experience more enjoyable.

The fact is, I've got no choice but to leave. The recent sordid affair with User:Deeceevoice and my appalling conduct in that showed me that I have not the calibre required to maintain good relations with users on the wiki. Worse still, I violated almost all of the principles I swore to uphold when I first arrived.

I've now been desysopped, and I plan on devoting a little more time to what I am good at, which is developing. I don't fit in on this side of the servers, but perhaps I can still be of use to the project.

Thank you. Rob Church ^Talk 20:05, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

someone put "<math>" tags on your user page

I have no idea why they did this, so i reverted, you're welcome— Preceding unsigned comment added by anon (talk • contribs)

A Ghost speaks

Ed, I feel that I failed you and Fuelwagon. My personal demands are what pulled me away from the project, not the petty in fighting. I just didn't have the energy. Fuel reached out to me a couple of times, but I couldn't get back in. And now I see things went very badly for you both. I'm sorry to see that happen. You're both good people.

May the Universe bless you and keep you my friend. You're more than welcome to contact me IRL at your liesure. Happy Yule and Merry Christmas--ghost 15:12, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Ed, ed, ed

Are you sure this bit of sockpupptry is really going to get you anywhere? you don't think that maybe it's time to throw in the towel and move on with your life?--1 use 16:46, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Leave the guy alone. He doesn't need to be harassed in absentia. - Ta bu shi da yu 15:26, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Yep Censored Again

Wikipedia sucks! Thanks for your support anyhow.--Marcperkel 17:39, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Final decision

The arbitration committee has reachead a final decision in the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/FuelWagon v. Ed Poor case. Raul654 18:02, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• If you decide to come back and even run for adminship again, you can count on my support. If you don't, you'll be missed. Wikipedia really needs people like you. Dan100 (Talk) 22:53, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• You should absolutely run again. Just to put this silliness to rest on the right note. Sj 15:15, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
• I agree. You've been a great editor in my experience. This one troll got the best of you. If you reapply for adminship however let me know and you have my vote.Gateman1997 02:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

• We miss you, Uncle Ed. I hope you're having a good holiday. Best wishes for the new year, wherever you choose to Wiki. Cheers, -Willmcw 06:42, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
• We miss you too and you have my support. Have a good and well-deserved, but temporary, break! WhiteNight ^{T | @ | C} 11:12, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
• Ditto, and hope to see you back! Happy New Year! AnnH ^(talk) 11:32, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

It wasn't just "one troll" that got the better of him. Being myself subject to an unjustified block and witnessing the unilateral undeletion of articles he created that went through the AfD process seemed to me to be a sincere abuse of admin powers. If he does reapply I will be there to oppose him until he admits that his actions were unbecoming of an administrator and he promises not to engage in such behavior in the future. --ScienceApologist 15:34, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

No worries. Let me know when you have the time and you can consider yourself nominated.Gateman1997 00:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Ed, ...

... I have no idea what has been going on and I am far too busy to read up on what has happened to you. However, for more than three years I have always known you as a considerate and committed person. Hm—what can I say? Never assume malice for what stupidity can explain? I'll check your user contributions from time to time to see if you're back. All the best, <KF> 01:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

What happened to u pal

U were the first well-behaved admin i encountered. We haven't spoken before but...Why abandon such a multi-faceted project? -- max rspct leave a message 21:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

The first? Well, I hope there were a lot more after me. Anyway, I need some time off from my addiction. Let me get through this "winter of my discontent" and maybe I'll be back in the spring. (I'm not out of the community, just taking a break from the project.) --Uncle Ed 23:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, that would be great. We'd love to see you back. AnnH ^(talk) 23:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

We look forward too it, Ed.--ghost 16:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject anti-war, Article improvement drive

February 15, 2003 anti-war protest an article from the WikiProject Anti-war, which you are listed as a member of, has been nominated for the Article Improvement Drive (by me ).

It is an article about a day of much importance both to the history of the anti-war movement and to general discussion of the Iraq war. With a little work from experienced editors it could gain FA status. If you would like to see it improved please vote for it at Make "February 15, 2003 anti-war protest" the subject of an Article Improvement Drive--JK the unwise 13:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Terrorism

Uncle Ed, would you help me write a disambiguation page for terrorism? Here's the history of the Terrorism (disambiguation) page.

• 11 November 2005 Stevertigo starts the page.
• 24 December 2005 Peter McConaughey and Jbamb work together to find consensus content. The page remains unchanged until...
• 25 January 2006 TheChieftain deletes all terrorism definitions and links except for one that calls it "controversial" and another that lists definitions by "national governments."
• 04:55 27 January 2006 Legal Tender lists five distinctly different meanings for the word with links to different articles on terrorism and verifiable external citations.
• 06:28 27 January 2006 JW1805 reverts Legal Tender's contributions without explanation and combines The Chieftain's two definitions of terrorism. Now the disambiguation page has only one listing for terrorism.
• 15:17, 27 January 2006 Legal Tender tightens his original disambiguations and adds a sixth one about Jacobins (referring to the original use of the term). Legal Tender suggests that JW1805 is wikistalking him because he voted against JW1805 on a separate issue. JW1805 contacts Carbonite, suggesting that Legal Tender is a sockpuppet.
• 15:23, 27 January 2006 Carbonite reverts Legal Tender's contributions and indefinitely blocks Legal Tender, calling him a sockpuppet, but offering no evidence of it.

It seems to me that there is a war going on over this disambiguation page that doesn't have anything to do with the disambiguation of "terrorism." It also seems to me that there are several controversial, yet distinct, definitions for terrorism that should be listed on such a page. I think that the Terrorism (disambiguation) page should probably have more than one listing for "terrorism." What do you think? --Douglasses 05:25, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree that there are several meanings for terrorism used around the world. The editors who know of the American meaning should write about what they know, but they should not limit the contributions of editors from other countries. Your knowledge of this subject would benefit us greatly, Mr. Poor. --Swami Sathvaatsanjaatha Jnaanaaya Namah 16:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Zephram

Ed, I know you've had civil conversations with Zephram before (and he is still communicating with you - I think Douglasses and Swami Sathvaatsanjaatha Jnaanaaya Namah might live in his sock drawer), so I thought you would be interested in or have a view on the attached. [1]. ElectricRay 00:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Still inactive

Sorry, everybody, but I'm still inactive. I just haven't had time this month, and next month doesn't look good either.

I appreciate everyone's friendship, and I love this project, but please give me a bit more time. Thanks! :-) --Uncle Ed 01:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, we'll give you more time, but we'd love to see you back. Do look in occasionally, won't you? Blessings. AnnH ^(talk) 01:59, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

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Page name for temperature articles

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Chilean coup of 1973

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He's back!

Hi all

Okay, I'm back. But I have very little time these days. I call on all my friends to advise me as to what I should focus on. --Uncle Ed 18:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back. Delighted that you've returned. AnnH ^(talk) 18:14, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back, Ed. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 18:19, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I knew you'd be back, Ed! Wikipedians who leave the project having a higher recidivism rate than drug-crazed sex offenders. :D Welcome, welcome!! You know I almost never propose anyone for RfA anymore, nor vote on nominations, but I want to propose you. I think de-sysoping you was so wrong. What do you think? -- Cecropia 22:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

LOL, this must set a record for shortest interval from "return from exile" and renomination for admin. I appreciate the vote of confidence, but what sort of administrative duties did you have in mind? I came back to write, not to gain power. --Uncle Ed 22:14, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, you're back, are you? Welcome back. Arno 00:28, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Jonathan Sarfati

Given your interest in religious themes with a twist of science i would suggest your input would be useful here. Talk:Jonathan_Sarfati/dispute David D. (Talk) 18:26, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the issues are. I would simply say

• that he is educated in science (like Jonathan Wells)
• that he supports Young earth creationism, an idea which mainstream biologists and geologists dismiss as pseudoscience

Why is this so hard to state neutrally? --Uncle Ed 18:41, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Well it should be easy but it's a mess. An outside opinion is always a good thing. David D. (Talk) 19:28, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

hi (very lowercase)

Hi Ed I'm still working on this wiki thing... thanks for the welcome way back then. Your talk page makes it look like diving into a shark pool! Any tips? Ewen

1. Don't bleed.
2. If you start bleeding, get out of the water.

Template:Motto

Hi, you created this template a while ago and seems that nothing links to it as of right now. I wonder if you would allow to usurp it? That is, I wish to implement an old idea at WP:MOTTO and have a weekly community motto. I think this template name would be perfect. If not then I will think of something else. Cheers, Renata 03:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Renata. Yes, please go ahead. You won't be usurping, but re-using. :-) --Uncle Ed 18:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! Let's support recycling, huh? :D Renata 05:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

blanked page

OK... are you saying it shouldn't be deleted? Stephenb (Talk) 22:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Nope. Just was trying to think of a way that (a) marks it for deletion but (b) doesn't reward the vandal with a lot of attention. I'm thinking of creating a new template for this. --Uncle Ed 22:04, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Java and Visual Studio on AfD

FYI: I've listed Java and Visual Studio on AfD because I think it's comparing apples and oranges. -- pne (talk) 08:57, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Well you said it "Thousands of Troops". Some people just gaff off their responsibilities. That's how. Don't forget the fact The General was a female and some people just wanted her out. She reported to The idiot Sanchez who I would have never trusted

You did what?

In the [[Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion#Reason_for_this_process|Proposed deletion[[ page, it says that you outright deleted WP:AFD. Is this true? If so, whoa! - Hbdragon88 05:02, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks

I'm not sure that it was that great, but thanks for the kind comments. I was actually interested to see the Wikipedia article on it, as I've been following the controversy on and off in Arab newspapers and on Arab TV stations (I live in Syria) where it's been one of the top stories over the last while, and probably presented very differently from how it's presented in the US media (i.e. from what I gather from the Arab reports of the US controversy, the main issue there is port security, whether the administration had its eye on the ball, and whether cancelling the contract would have a deleterious effect on the US's standing in the Arab world. Here, it's, simplified, "Christ, look what the Americans are at now" (well, maybe not "Christ")).

Anyway, if you would like to see some of my previous misdeeds on Wikipedia and improve them as appropriate, you are cordially invited to have a look at the brag list on my user page. Some of the articles about Middle Eastern political figures could probably do with it. I am never very happy with my writing style on Wikipedia. All the best, Palmiro | Talk 19:03, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Boycott & ports

Hi Ed, I'm sure you know the situation is developing as we speak. I'll leave it up to you to decide how to cover it. Cheers! ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 22:01, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Help Needed to Ban a User

Dear admin, User:Aucaman has been engaged in a systematic campaign of misinformation, maliciously editing/disputing Persian people, pushing his POV, ignoring the majority consensus and authoritative sources, trying to establish new 'facts" based on his own personal assumptions, political beliefs, and racist comments. [2] He also repeatedly engages in racially-motivated personal attacks and possibly vandalizes the Persian people article which has resulted in the protection of page. Seemingly, he has single-handedly disrupted the integrity of the page in question, and perhaps other articles too. Furthermore, he is a chronic 3RR violator, but also violates other wikipedia rules by vandalizing and then removing warnings from his talk-page. [3] Would you please take a look at this issue and help us clean up the Persian people page? Please take a look at ( Talk:Persian people & Mediation/Persian_people ). Thanks Zmmz 04:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I can't help you, because I'm not an admin. --Uncle Ed 14:28, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

plus templates

Ed, on Recent Changes I'm watching you generate these "plus" templates... what are you doing, exactly, besides confusing me?  ;) Seriously, though, it'd be good, if you get a chance, to hear what you're up to. (Who knows, maybe I'll give you a hand!) JDoorjam Talk 14:45, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm trying to figure out a way to do arithmetic on the wiki. See template talk:plus and template talk:minus. --Uncle Ed 14:47, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

{{current month calendar}}

Hey, that's a good idea for a template. I can't believe I didn't think of it myself :D Thanks! — CuaHL ☺ 01:31, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

List of one-word titles of conservative books

Isn't this a little obscure, even for WP? How big is this list likely to get? Just curious - Her Pegship 20:32, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to delete it. I can only think of one more title to add. Cheers! --Uncle Ed 20:33, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Current time

It might be better just to ask the developers to create a {{CURRENTHOUR}} variable. It would be trivial for them to do... maybe they just haven't seen the need for it up to now, but if you have a use for it they might be amenable. -- Curps 22:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, I have made a whole bunch of date math templates. No doubt the useful ones can be made into MediaWiki variables. I just hate to bother them, when they're still working on {{qif}} support. --Uncle Ed 22:09, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Requesting Advocacy

Hi, really need an Advocate urgently in regards to this Rfc[4]. Can you guide or help us? ThanksZmmz 22:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Please explain in 500 words or less, what the problem is. --Uncle Ed 13:11, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I am writting something to that effect now.Zmmz 20:03, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Originally, there was a dispute with only this particular user [Aucaman] who months before users like I, had joined Wikipedia had initiated multiple disputes simultaneously on the following articles; Persian people, Iranian people, Iran, Parsi, Persian Empire, Khuzestan, and Aryan. Apparently, the gist of the argument was that the user wants to ban the use of the word Aryan from all such articles, unconditionally. Being a newcomer to Wiki I did assume good faith, and along with the many editors who had agreed upon an over whelming consensus, we tried to provid references to this user; however, he systematically refuses to accept them. And, even after a third opinion User:Khoikhoiand a Mediation Cabal[5] asked Aucaman to drop the dispute[6], to this day this user single handedly disrupts these articles, erasing entire sections that come with citations, threatens newcomers that they are vandalizing, initiates numerous edit wars, places numerous dispute tags on many articles simultaneously and as I realized later, has a long history of incivil behaviour, culminating with a profanity laces personal attack on another user just days ago. The turning point for us realizing this matter will never be resolved, and that user Aucaman is one who is most likely pushing some sort of political view, was the fact that in regards to a naming dispute, after I personally explained to him that there are archeological evidence in the form of what are called Cuneiforms, dating back to 2500 years ago shows the country of Iran was called Iran, meaning Land of Aryans, he responded by implying that during the discovery of these Cuneiforms, some Nazi affiliated German scholars actually inserted that word in there[7]. Bottom-line to this day unfortunately he tries to insert texts into the actual articles, equating either Persia or Iran with Nazism.[8]

I realized that user Aucaman has gone on talk pages of users like Zora, and discussion pages of articles relating to Anti-Semetism, and asked for help from other editors to come and revert the articles he disagrees with, because he does not want to violate the 3rr. After that, I personally contacted many editors who agreed with us, and asked to kindly look at the Rfc I had set up for Aucaman, and if from personal experience with this user, they agreed with the page, to please endorse it. I realize that may look like a mistake at this point, and I take full responsibility for that, however, one—all these editors and I have never actively attacked any articles, rather simply defended the factual contents of the articles we care know and care about, and two, I hope this will not deter any attention away from this dire problem with a disruptive user, who is Aucaman. As it turns out there are at least three more Rfcs put up for Aucaman by some other users who have nothing to do with any articles related to Persia, so the problem may be deeper than it looks. [9] As we have stated from the beginning, certainly to be fair look into both sides of the dispute, but we need the admins to get involved in this. Thanks Zmmz 21:03, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your 527-word report. You went a little over, but that's okay. :-)

I will study the matter and try to find a solution. --Uncle Ed 22:03, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I didn`t think you`d notice. But, thanks for looking into this.Zmmz 22:12, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Please let me know whether you want to be their advocate or whether you want me to be their advocate. I am willing to be their advocate. I would ask that perhaps you could provide one last attempt at mediation. Robert McClenon 01:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Robert, I like your plan. Unless there's a great rush, please give me one more day to complete my analysis.

I did write a short note at Talk:Persian people (see this section) which has attracted some notice. I confess that I haven't had time to study the responses yet, but a brief glance provides a glimmer of hope for a resolution. --Uncle Ed 12:37, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I checked under your comments, apparently the usual gang of three editors who oppose it, came back with the same old repetitive arguments. Nevertheless, Aucaman is a user whose activities at this point, oh boy, are off-the-chart. He really needs to come in front of ArbCom, even if that comes at the expense of me being in danger of getting banned too.[10][11][12]Zmmz 03:37, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Strikeout Button

Hello. I was writing a tip for Tip of the Day about adding a strikeout button to a user's editing tools. I looked through the history of the editing tools page and found your name next to "strikeout button" in the history. I wondered if you had written the script for this tool. You can let me know at my talk page or just respond here (if you respond here, please leave something telling in the edit summary so I can notice it on my watchlist). Thanks:) --Think Fast 00:30, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I didn't create the strikeout tool, but I extracted part of the Javascript which someone else wrote, for use in another tool. I guess this makes me sort of a co-author (in the GPL sense). --Uncle Ed 15:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Ed

Dear Ed, wanted to say thank you for assisting me and giving me valuable advice. Jimbo Wales also suggested I should, and I have done so. Your assistance has helped to avoid potential legal problems caused by some users, and I suggest, while thanking you, that perhaps more experienced eyes be kept on some administrators who in their zeal, and lazy attention, allow legal situations to arise. As a newcomer, I suggest that perhaps it is time to review the administrators - especially those elected last year, and this year - before other potential legal problems crop up from their lax responses to Wikipedians showing bad faith, and even worse - poor judgement. It may be wise to start a sort of Ed Poor's Guide for Wikipedia administrators since your intervention in my situation has led to a successful resolution. Thanks again Ed.Theo 06:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. --Uncle Ed 15:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

multiplication template

You inspired me to do User talk:ToobMug/mulstrokes for a laugh. It's not terribly accurate for larger numbers, though. I'll have to think what can be done about that. --ToobMug 16:21, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm finished using templates for date math. I'm going to try Javascript now. --Uncle Ed 15:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

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Time

...lol I think the local time (in minutes) will change every minute and not only on 2nd April :-) ? (your userpages says it changes on 2nd April)

I like your current time templates. Nevertheless they maybe could be done with variable? so one needs only _one_ template? like {utc|-5} For a related thing I would apreciate your help. Can we use page titles of the UTC+-XY pages to print the time there? Please see/respond at: Template_talk:Timezones Tobias Conradi (Talk) 04:48, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Date templates

Thank you for working on this! I have asked for something similar recently, and was pointed to fr:Catégorie:Modèle calculant une date, so I wanted to point you there in case you don't know. Happy editing, Kusma (討論) 04:04, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Le 42 en Francais donne "the current minute" mais en Anglais il n'y a rien. --Uncle Ed 15:27, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Did you see {{day+1}} by CBDunkerson? I don't know how this fits with your templates, but you should definitely have a look. Kusma (討論) 06:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Ack! Pfft! Heh, Kusma just told me you were working on this stuff. I started doing so recently after someone asked for the ability on the main talk page. I've created {{day+1}}, {{day-1}}, and {{datewarn}} templates with {{month+1}}, {{daycap}}, {{NextYear}}, {{LastYear}}, {{leapday}}, and {{unleap}} as components. Some of these probably duplicate what you have already done. They're already in use in a few places so we should probably straighten out the mess, establish consistent names, et cetera. Sorry, I didn't realize someone else had been working on this. --CBDunkerson 13:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Let's start documenting all of these templates at Help:Date math. If you put <noinclude>[[category:date math]]<noinclude>in your template, that will make it part of Category:date math and I can help you write the documentation. --Uncle Ed 14:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I added the category to all of these and have been comparing the two sets of templates. I posted some comments at Category talk:Date math and Template talk:Day+1. About User:Ed Poor/tomorrow date and Template:Day+1 - 'tomorrow date' is much shorter (including all nested templates), but doesn't have the same level of flexibility. However, alot of people just want tomorrow's date rather than all the rigamarole and thus it'd be more efficient for them to use your template. Can we move that into template space? I can see ways to add in leapday functionality, optional year parameter (updating on December 31st), and optional '_' characters (for single bracket links) without extending the length much at all... which would allow it to replace 'day+1' on all the pages which currently use it to get tomorrow's date. For naming convention it might make sense to use 'tomorrow' and 'yesterday' for your templates that work off the current date and keep 'day+1' / 'day-1' as they are for adjusting any date/pagenames with dates. --CBDunkerson 23:02, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with all that. Just bear in mind that {{today}} is a fancy graphic - apparently intended for inclusion in a table. I made {{tomorrow}} as an exercise; it will have to be moved to fit your naming convention: just check please if any page links to it (you might move it to Template:Tomorrow cell if you think it needs to be preserved.

Any template "of mine" which I created in userspace may be "published" by MOVEing it to Template: namespace.

And it would be a good idea to sort out the simpler or easier to use templates from those which offer support for an optional parameter. Take charge! --Uncle Ed 14:02, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Palestine

Note to self:

We need to be aware of what "Palestine" (noun) and "Palestinian" (adjective and/or noun) mean. Different people use different Definitions of Palestine and Palestinian in various contexts.

Is a "Palestinian" person a resident of Palestine? It depends for one thing on which definition of Palestine you're using. The regions called "Palestine" have varied from as large as the British Mandate - encompassing all of Gaza, Israel, West Bank and Jordan to as small as just the non-Jordanian parts of this huge swath.

--Uncle Ed 22:42, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

It's 11:52 AM in New York City?

hmm, no it's not--205.188.117.9 12:47 PM, 29 March 2006 (EST)

According to the template on my user page, It's 2:51 PM in New York City.

Maybe the page you were looking at needs purging. --Uncle Ed 19:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

It looks right now, but I don't think I could have loaded this page at 11:52 because I wasn't home then, maybe someone edited the template, then edited it back--64.12.116.130 21:50, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

ah, seems that none of them have been edited since march 23rd, guess it's just my browser acting up, sorry for bothering you--64.12.116.130 21:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Changing entire topic

Main page: Talk:Israeli-Palestinian_conflict § Changing_entire_topic

Your change of Palestinian-Israeli conflict to "Arab Nationalism in Palestine" was completely unwarranted, and the additional POV content you added was inappropriate. Lokiloki 17:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Care to explain why, or just blowing off steam?

Because Israeli-Palestinian conflict is well-known and frequently searched for conflict: to somehow reflect that this conflict is primarily about Arab nationalism (and not, say, about settlements, the expulsion of Arabs, etc etc) is unwarranted and not based on fact. Lokiloki 18:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

All of that which is unrelated to Arab nationialism can go in Arab-Israeli conflict. Furthermore, the identity of "Palestinian" is unclear, hence unsuitable for an article title.

As you may know, the formation of Palestinian identity is a key element in Arab nationalism. Anyway, I refuse to have an edit war over it. We can discuss it, or you can change it back unilaterally. Anything's better than an edit war.

I didn't know you had also started a thread at the talk page. It's usually a better practice to discuss things like this in one place. Fractured threads are harder to follow. --Uncle Ed 18:16, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Ed, I think you need to slow down on Palestine-related topics. A lot of your recent changes are unlikely to receive consensus approval, to put it mildly. Palmiro | Talk 18:33, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, that's two in a row. I guess I'll give it a rest. --Uncle Ed 18:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Al Haq

Good find; a Palestinian advocacy group. If you think their arguments are relevant, please make sure they're properly identified. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea if they are "relevant". All I did was search on Google, provide a quote and a web link, and format it a bit. You and your 'friends' can decide whether to use it. --Uncle Ed 19:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Kurdistan related articles that may require your attention

• Turkish Kurdistan
• Iranian Kurdistan
• Syrian Kurdistan (deleted for being a pov fork)

--Cool Cat^Talk|@ 20:14, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

You may also want to consider [13]. there is no real data suggesting kurds are infact dormant anywhere so suggesting it as such is problematic in my view. Also there is an ugly disclaimer. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 20:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

How about:

• Turkish Kurdistan - move to Kurds of Turkey
• Iranian Kurdistan => Kurds of Iran
• Syrian Kurdistan => Kurds of Syria

These are neutral and apolitical. The articles can explain any political overtones, such as (perhaps) nationalist aspirations. --Uncle Ed 14:22, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

That was the concensus for 'Syrian Kurdistan'. A different concensus exists for 'Turkish Kurdistan' as there was a case of vote stacking. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 08:36, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Kurdistan

Hello there. I noticed that you suggested the above mentioned article to be merged with Kurds in Turkey. I would like to draw your attention to the fact that this very proposal until a few days ago was subject to an intense debate. Please see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Turkish_Kurdistan. I fear that discussing the same issue immediately not will make the fronts more compromise seeking. Bertilvidet 23:19, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. I didn't know there was already a discussion going on, and I'm not trying to create a new thread.

Where is the best place to discuss the issue of "Kurdistan" vs. "Kurd-inhabited territory"?

Hi Ed, probable the best place for that discussion is Category talk: Kurdistan. I saw you already tagged Turkish Kurdistan 'Kurdish inhabited region'. I don't think that is wise. It might be better to first wait and see which consensus is reached on 'category talk:Kurdistan'. What do you think? --Hippalus 08:19, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know. I'm torn between "Be bold" and "Wait for consensus". If you change it back, I don't mind. I'm a lover, not a fighter. :-) --Uncle Ed 14:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

How about "wait for consensus" for another day or two, and if, instead of reaching a consensus, the debate doesn't become more than the present trickle, "be bold"? With wikilove, --Hippalus 19:05, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Works for me. I'm in no hurry. --Uncle Ed 19:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Then I'll change it back for the moment.--Hippalus 20:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Copyrights of images at Starfleet ranks and insignia

I do not know if copyrights are your speciality or not, but I feel the arguments are begining to get quite ridiclous. I am not sure how to proceed and would appriciate advice.

The issue in a nutshell is that I have created images and release them with a free license. People argue that images I drew (a golden circle for instance) are still copyrighted. See: Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Starfleet ranks and insignia.

--Cool Cat^Talk|@ 15:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

First Sunday in April

First Sunday in April has been proposed for deletion. Please see the article for details. NickelShoe (Talk) 15:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Current time

I have userfied this article to User:Ed Poor/Current time. At present, there is some technical issue with anything that uses (explicitly, by transclusion or by inclusion) {{utc}}, and perhaps other related meta-templates. They take an age to load and, for some people, are broken when they do. Since this article was one victim of this, and it's new and only edited by you and there is no revision to which I could revert that does not use the problematic template, I've moved it out of article space for the time being. Hope that's ok. You might want to look at Template:Current time, too. I've also removed usages of {{utc}} from articles and templates, including Template:Current events box which was preventing Current events from loading. Have lots of fun! -Splash^talk 02:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm glad you did. I only intended the templates in Category:date math to be used in time zone and daylight savings time pages. I stopped work on them, when others took over.

The calculations needed can't be done properly with templates alone. I'm going to try Javascript next. If that works, maybe the developers will relent and agree to translate the code to PHP. --Uncle Ed 16:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Honduras

Hey. Hurricanes have always been effecting Honduras, but Mitch is easily the worst hurricane for the country. The reason they are so vulnerable is not due to being below sea level, rather due to the mountainous terrain of the country. Heavy rainfall, such as what occurred during Mitch, caused flash flooding and mudslides. Also, dirt roads and flimsy houses contributed to the extensive damage. In my opinion, if Honduras was a much richer country, the damage would have been similar. The rainfall and simply went down hills, burying everything in its path, so such destruction might have been inevitable. Similar occurrences happen throughout Central America and Hispaniola, sadly, due to the mountainous and immense rainfall that is not uncommon in the tropics. Hurricanehink 15:15, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to put something like that (i.e., what you wrote above) into the Honduras article. --Uncle Ed 17:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, a lot of that is already there. If you want to reiterate anything, go ahead and add it in. Hurricanehink 18:10, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

No, it's just that sometimes contributors express themselves extra well on talk pages. You know, the pressure of writing "crisp prose" is off. I really liked the text above, but I hesitated to copy it under free-license rules because it was on a talk page (rather than in the body of an article).

I'm writing an article for www.encyclopediaproject.net and wanted to copy the paragraph you wrote, verbatim - or maybe even subcontract the work to you! There's a few bucks involved, and it's work you're already doing - and doing well (!) so let me know if you're interested in any way. --Uncle Ed 18:25, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, wow, thanks for the compliment! You can feel free to copy that. I personally abhor poor writing, especially spelling or grammar prose. There's no need to subcontract, but I thank you greatly for the offer. I will be getting especially busy over the next few months with colleges, scholarship information, graduation, music concerts, and a social life, and my time on Wikipedia will probably be less than it has been. Good luck with your work, though, and if you ever have more questions never hesitate to ask. Hurricanehink 19:10, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Version 1.0 "Release Version Qualifying"

Hi, I'm interested in your feedback on Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Release Version Qualifying. It's essentially an idea to use a process similar to WP:FAC to identify and handle articles and lists that would go in a release version. Maurreen 19:30, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

WP 1.0

Ed,

I thought since you are interested in this project you might be interested to see a CD version of en now exists see Wikipedia:Wikipedia-CD/Download & 2006 WP CD Selection. This is being discussed on the 1.0 project pages but progress breeds enthusiasm so I thought I would let you know. --BozMo talk 09:07, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Kurdistan related articles

How is the discussion going? I'd rather have this sorted before the release of 1.0. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:43, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I posted something I think you might find interesting at Category:Kurdistan --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 09:14, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Central hour template

When I looked at my talk page today, it said that it was 7:54 in Tampa and 5:54 in Pensacola (it's really 6:54 there). Can you fix your central time template? Mike H. That's hot 23:59, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Done. --Uncle Ed 01:54, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Lidice

If you need a map of Lidice. See at [14]

Thanks, that's a beautiful aerial photo. --Uncle Ed 15:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

fyi

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3239241,00.html Zeq 04:31, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Date Math

The updated/new templates look great. Looking forward to these and the other possibilities Tim's new m:ParserFunctions features open up. --CBDunkerson 17:49, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Steven Milloy

Hey, Ed. I removed the NPOV tag since there doesn't seem to be any outstanding issues. If you can be more specific on talk, I would be happy to help out. —Viriditas | Talk 02:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Move without consultation

You moved Women in Islam to Women in Muslim society without even mentioning it on the talk page or asking any of the other editors if this was OK. That is definitely NOT NICE. I'm not at all sure that I agree that the new title is right. Please discuss on the talk page. Zora 03:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought it was clear that the article was about social issues, not theoligical ones. If there's some overlap and if "Islam" includes Muslim religious beliefs and practices as well as social customs in countries which simply happen to be Muslim, then I've goofed. An admin can reverse the move. --Uncle Ed 00:10, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for responding so calmly to my admittedly cranky notice. I see your point re "Women in Islam" -- if we're discussing how it works out on the ground, as opposed to theoretical prescriptions, then the title isn't quite right. But I'm not sure that I like "Muslim society", since the societies of Muslim-majority countries often include people of different religions, like Christians and Jews. I think we need some brainstorming on a better title. Come to the article talk page and discuss there.

Status of Muslim women? Treatment of women in Muslim communities? Islamic theory and practice re women? Women in Islamic theory and practice? I sure haven't hit on anything that makes me say, "That's it!" Zora 00:27, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

By the way, columnist Michelle Malkin recently reminded her readers:

• It's been a little over a year since Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh was murdered by an Islamist gunman over his movie criticizing violence against women in Islamic societies. [15]

Not only are radical Islamists a danger to non-Muslims, they're also a danger to their own people: in this case, their own women (see honor killing). --Uncle Ed 14:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

We need more muslim scholars on wikipedia. (I said the scholars, the sane types you find in every religeon, who actually know what they're talking about.  :-) ) Kim Bruning 15:24, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

North America AND Northern America ???!!!

In cleaning up categories, I came across 2 articles that are, in all practical purposes, about the same topic. User:E Pluribus Anthony un-redirected the Northern America article, citing the UN. If there are differences as cited by the UN, does that substantiate a totally separate article? Is this what Wikipedians refer to as POV forking? Maybe I am wrong about this all of this, but it just seems awkward to have a North America article and a Northern America article. I think Northern America should be merged into North America. --Categorizer 06:51, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

• Northern America is a "subregion" which does NOT include Mexico or Central America.
• North America is a traditional "continent" which DOES include Mexico and Central America.

We need articles which define the various alignments and groupings which interested parties (such as a voting block at the U.N.) come up with.

It's more interesting to our readers now, because of the demonstrations and legislation related to illegal immigration from (or via) Mexico into the United States of America. A lot of political overtones are hanging on the precise meaning of "America" / "American".

And as you may know norteamericano might seem to translate literally to "North American" but according to Pimsleur's Spanish Audio Lesson #1, it distinctly omits Mexico while many Latin Americans get angry with US citizens who dare to use "America" / "American" to mean USA and exclude Mexico.

Let's leave the article distinct for a few more months, okay? --Uncle Ed 00:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Celsius

Thanks for the catch on the spelling. =) I fixed the other few templates that were also spelled incorrectly. —Locke Cole • t • c 17:03, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Date Math

If you have a moment can you look at Template talk:Ordinal date and see if this expressions only proposal has any flaws, I wanted to use ordinal date for some dating magic, but prefer to AUM if a better option is availible. Thanks, — xaosflux ^Talk 03:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Totalitarianism

Could you please return and contribute to the discussion I'm trying to restart on moving away from defining Totalitarianism primarily in terms of "typologies"? Assuming of course you feel the article should be more accessible than I'm saying it is. Obey 09:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I did, and then 172 cut our discussion from his talk page. I pasted it to talk:Totalitarianism. --Uncle Ed 17:26, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

UTC

Why are you moving UTC titles to GMT? UTC is official (and nowadays more commonly used). -- Curps 17:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I only moved one or two. Please join me at Template_talk:Timezones. --Uncle Ed 17:22, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Project

Congratulations on getting the Encyclopedia Project up and running. I can only imagine how much effort, both on a computer and within an organization, that such an undertaking must require. Good luck with it - I hope it flowers into a garden of knowledge. Cheers, -Will Beback 21:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Draft site

Ed, where's the draft site? I finally got ahold of my login info, but the main site linked from the article seems to be pretty well sand-boxed, and the one page on "private" pages didn't provide any links... --maru (talk) contribs 21:31, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Plural

Just noticed {{plural}} and was wondering if you were aware of the similar (but not identical) {{plural:...}}? (See Help:Magic words). Some samples:

Code	Produces
1 {{plural:1|dollar|dollars}}	1 dollar
2 {{plural:2|dollar|dollars}}	2 dollars
3 {{plural:3|dollar|dollars}}	3 dollars
1 {{plural:1|person|people}}	1 person
2 {{plural:2|person|people}}	2 people
1 {{plural:1|ox|oxen}}	1 ox
2 {{plural:2|ox|oxen}}	2 oxen

Just FYI, it might be useful. =) —Locke Cole • t • c 02:52, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it helps. I might even design a template which incorporates the plural: thing. --Uncle Ed 20:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Template:Age

Hi there! Good work with the template (I was about to create it myself). I have though proposed on it's talk page that we switch to the ISO 8601 YYYY/MM/DD format before it gets into wide use. Cheers, Misza13 ^{T C} 12:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

It will definitely help with user acceptance to employ the year|month|day format. More English-speaking people are familiar with that than any other (I only used m|d as a test, because being from America I'm more accustomed to it). Also, if the template is copied to non-English Wikipedias it will be easier if we all use the same format.

I actually like the idea of having the largest unit first: year, month, day; hour, minute, second. It makes it easier to remember the order! :-) --Uncle Ed 13:32, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Absurd! Everyone knows that the most logical order is little endian: day/month/year. --maru (talk) contribs 17:41, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Heh. Thanks for giving me a smile. :-) Check my contribs for another controversy dealing with "eggs". --Uncle Ed 18:31, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Those are some eggscellent contributions. --maru (talk) contribs 20:22, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Date pages

Re: use with ordinal date and calculating leap year, please look over Template talk:IsLeapYear and see if this code has any errors, it solves the IsLeap questin with a few less operations. Assuming so, or even not, the changes to Template:Ordinal date seem to work so far, were you forseing a failure in mar 2008 with the addtion in place? — xaosflux ^Talk 03:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Leap year calculation was not a problem. {{ordinal date}} was a problem. I think I have fixed it (see Template_talk:Ordinal_date). --Uncle Ed 14:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Skype

Hello, would you happen to have skype? I have a plan, you see... ;-)

Kim Bruning 19:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, had to get unblocked first.

Yes, I have Skype. On my pocket PC. Maybe you and I can take it for a test drive before we put your plan into effect. --Uncle Ed 20:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Blocked by Drini

Chuckle. Am I really blocked? This is the second day in a row I got a block notice. Last time I checked the logs and didn't see anything, so I figured it was a server glitch. --Uncle Ed 20:07, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm unblocked. Thanks, user:Drini. --Uncle Ed 20:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Template:IsLeapYear

Looks like I got past my formula error, but would appreciate a second set of eyes if you have a min on this change (see it's talk for a data run). — xaosflux ^Talk 17:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

datemath?

i've noticed your name on or around most of the date math templates, and i was wondering if you know an alternative to {{CURRENTMONTH}} that would show the name of the month, in stead of it's number--ChaplineRVine^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 17:05, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

If you use {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} you will see "August" (more at Help:Variable#Varying_with_time). --Uncle Ed 14:28, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you--ChaplineRVine^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 21:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Ed. Haven't crossed paths with you in a long while, so I thought I'd drop by to see how things were going. I hope all is well in your life (real and wiki). All the best. Guettarda 18:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Guettarda, I'm thinking of dropping my opposition to my own RFA, and seeing what happens! ;-) It has taken me about 4 months after my promotion to user to realize that a much more gentle hand is needed with a mammoth project than with the tiny community that the old Wikipedia used to be. Any advice will be much appreciated.

I did a lot of work with date math templates, which prompted Tim Starling to add a Feature to MediaWiki. And I've just been editing here and there, after taking my first wiki-vacation since 2003.

How have YOU been? --Uncle Ed 18:54, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Userpage

I am delighted that the only userbox you have is one I created ^_^' --Cat out 20:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Saints Wikiproject

I noted that you have been contributing to articles about saints. I invite you to join the WikiProject Saints. You can sign up on the page and add the following userbox to your user page.

• {{User Saints WikiProject}}

This user is a member of
WikiProject Saints.

I also invite you to join the discussion on prayers and infoboxes here: Prayers_are_NPOV.

Thanks! --evrik 15:35, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Christian Wiki

Hi,

Just wanted to let you know about a christianity wiki that was recently started and has now moved to it's own server. Because of your interest, I think you would be a valuable member of our team and I'd love to have your contributions.

We are just about ready to go live!

As soon as we finalize the CPOV policy, I think we're ready to "go public" with this project and invite the world! We can submit to DMOZ and Google and start getting some real active hits on that site.

Please take a look and see if this project is something you would like to get behind. the URL is: ChristWiki

-- nsandwich 04:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Young_solomon.jpg

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Date Math

Sorry youv'e gotten some stress over this leap year template. You've done great work with date math and this is useful in historical and future calendars. If any faster algorithims come to you in your sleep, please let us know! (I thaught about that last change offline for a few hours!). — xaosflux ^Talk 03:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I softened my remarks, after someone contacted me via IRC. --Uncle Ed 15:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Role of women in religion

Interesting stub, Ed. Thanks for creating it. I've made a few tweaks and added some see alsos. I think it could be a good article. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 01:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Problema con los Americanos

Do Spanish native speakers commonly speak amongst themselves in English such that there is a "dialect" of English speakers who assume that English usage reflects the Spanish idiom vis-à-vis "America" and "Americans". I'm somewhat puzzled by the resolute conviction that some non-native speakers are showing at Talk:Use_of_the_word_American despite the assurances by native speakers that the words in question do not mean what they think they mean.

If it is the case that there is some non-native usage contrary to native usage, what standing do you think this has? I remember many years ago a 60 Minutes piece about a Japanese television show where a team of Anglophone women would confront Japanese merchants flagrantly misusing English in their ad copy. Sumergocognito 01:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that's it. I have a dozen English-speaking friends who are native speakers of Spanish. They all know what I mean when I say America (USA). I think the "objection" is part of a campaign or movement to change the English language to reflect a political ideal. It's like the feminists who made us stop using "he" or "him" to include both genders. We had to change to "he or she", "they" and so forth.

Surely you don't think the feminist scholars and activists who thought that one up, were ignorant. They were a pretty sharp bunch of ladies to win that linguistic victory. --Uncle Ed 03:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

re Date math templates

Bah. Had too much other stuff to do, so I didn't get to the date templates yet. I'll try to get to them in the next few days. Zocky | picture popups 22:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

EP upload

I'm almost ready to declare Fujiwara no Teika finished- I'm just waiting for FAC to finish. Can the EP wiki handle the cite.php format? --maru (talk) contribs 22:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Probably not, but I'll convert the footnotes to the old format for you in that case. --Uncle Ed 00:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Cuba

Hi Ed, sorry to impede on your time but we have a problem! Since editing on Cuba and Cuban related articles I have witnessed what can only be described as a maelstrom of incivility and edit warring centring around the edits of Adam Carr, to such a degree that it has made international news [16] (see article here [17]). Users (including mediators and myself) have attempted to address the situation via the normal dispute processes here [18] and here [19] but they have been rejected. A selected but by no means comprehensive catalogue of behaviour can be found here [20]. Adam will be away from wikipedia for two weeks, but has announced on his user page that “Normal revert wars will be resumed on my return”. There’s all sorts of layered issues and questionable activities involving many users and administrators related to this dispute, several users have already been blocked for large periods. But the central issues of page content have not been resolved. I am not alone in believing that arbitration may need to be considered in this case, but I’d like an experienced Wikipedian to offer a third opinion on what process would benefit the page. Would you care to comment? Thanks. --Zleitzen 00:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I've dealt with Adam Carr before. He's even more "sure of being right" than I am, but is much less willing to let other voices be heard. I don't think he accepts the premise of NPOV, which is that it is good to describe each major side of a dispute fairly. He's a POV-pusher, i.e., wants his side endorsed and the other side condemned.

I suggest (another?) RFC, skip mediation, and go straight to arbitration. --Uncle Ed 13:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Do you have any suggestions as to any neutral users that may act as a good advocate in this matter? It would need to be someone with a strong stomach!--Zleitzen 21:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Adam's a nice guy, he's just stubborn because he knows he's right. --Uncle Ed 01:10, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Ed, just dropping in to say I think you're doing a good job at patiently unravelling the problems on the Cuba page. I like your style! --Zleitzen 15:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

SOS from thewolfstar

After seeing a lot of abuse toward me and other editors at Wikipedia, I just got this comment from SlimVirgin today.

Your edits

Wolfstar, I'm seeing a lot of aggresssive talk-page posts from you, but very few edits to the encyclopedia. Interiot's tool shows only 53 edits to articles, but 434 to user and article talk (338 to user talk). This is up to the beginning of May and the ratio since then looks even worse. If you don't start to reverse it soon, this account may be blocked. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 23:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC)"

Her accusations are just not true, not to mention the total lack of Wiki policy involved. At this point I don't see how any good can come from me trying to reason with this person.

The first comment received from a Wikipedian was a nasty boilerplate message. Just a little later, I was told by Jersyko that the right way to dispute an article was to discuss it on article's talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thewolfstar#Democratic_party_NPOV_dispute where I was harassed, lied to, insulted, and generally given lame lawyeristic double talk back to the valid points I made. With the 3RR it took about a week of hard work to get changes made on the Dem Party article page. Only two people originally showed me real friendship, kindness and support in my earliest weeks here at Wikipedia. One is Merecat and the other Tijuanna Brass. I appealed to an admin, who really irritated me to begin with, and was insulted further and then ignored. I was blocked four times for phony reasons with no dispute resolution and no real disruption reason. The last time there was not even a regular warning, no reason given and my blocker did not even have the decency to identify himself. My comments have been moved to try and prove harassing editors and admin's points. One of my blockers, Drini, removed a comment for help that I left on Tijuanna Brass' talk page, the day after I got blocked, and then moved it back and forth a couple of times. I reverted it too, a couple of times, back to Tijuanna's page.

During my last block, yesterday, I found your edit at the PA talk page. I want to personally thank you for what you said. I can't tell you the courage and strength your brilliant predictions gave me at a time when I needed all the renewal of faith in the human race as I could get. I put a link to your comments on my page then,. today, I clicked the link only to find your comments suddenly archived. I put them back, edited a couple of articles, a brief discussion, and my user page. Next I got the comment (above) from SlimVirgin.

I have spent a lot of time defending people at rfc's who were hanging there, having nasty insults and accusations thrown at them and defending people who were harassed, blocked or banned idefinitely for no good reason. I need to defend myself now.

Although I have gotten several friends now for the most part my experience here at Wikipedia has been horrendous. There are only two reasons I stay.

1. Wikipedia articles are being read and believed by many people around the world, and with the current existing bias in many of them, this is a scary thought.
2. I still love Wikipedia and would like to stay and continue to contribute to it, and help get fact back into it.

Please help me, Ed. I understand that I am asking you to possibly take sides in an issue that involves some of your friends. There are not a whole lot of completely sane people around here, and maybe not out there in the real world either. I have faith in you. You can still think. I think you know what I mean.

in peace, respect and an increasing despair, Maggiethewolfstar 09:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

please call me if you like at 845-626-2815

Margie Laupheimer 59 Hickory Hill Road Kerhonkson, NY 12446

User:Cool Cat's disruption of Kurdish categorization efforts

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Cool Cat's disruption of Kurdish categorization efforts

Care to comment? --Moby 12:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I did. Cool Cat keeps losing his cool. I offered to mentor him, but it didn't work out. --Uncle Ed 01:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Well his actions certainly belie his username. <joke>Mebbe there should be a username policy about this.</joke> Anyway, I feel that there should be some sort of categorization of Kurdistan/Kurdish lands and he's just dead-set against the Kurds. Thanks again. --Moby 11:10, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The issue he and I have discussed is what "Kurdish lands" is supposed to mean: (1) Land which belongs to Kurds & should be part of a new country (to be called something like Kurdistan); or (2) Places where a large percentage of Kurds happen to live.

I tried to come up with a neutral-sounding and neutral meaning category: Category:Kurdish-inhabited lands or something like that. But some people want Wikipedia to be neutral while others want it to take sides. --Uncle Ed 13:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

After this whole thing on an/i with his mentors is sorted I'd like it if you would spend a bit of time on the whole issue of Kurdish categorization. I'm no expert on this and would appreciate input from someone who has been around here a bit. --Moby 12:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

James Louis Whelan

What's the story with this article? It looked like a vanity page to me, but you seem to be a long-time editor in good standing. -Objectivist-C 03:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't remember writing that - even thought the history says I'm the one who started it. We can delete it if you want. --Uncle Ed 03:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Please do. Durr, you aren't an admin (at the moment), I'll just let the prod run its course. -Objectivist-C 03:10, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[[21]]

Please see above message and clarify the inclusion criteria for this category. I'd also like to hear why you created it. As the posting mentions, I think it sets a dangerous precedent. Please leave a note on my talk page if you decide to reply here. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:49, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

• "Large percentage" of the Kurdish population? Large percentage of the local population is Kurdish? How much is large? 50%, 60%, 80%? - Mgm|^(talk) 21:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

That should be discussed on the talk page for the category. Meet me there, and start off by telling us what percent you would say qualifies a region as "Kurdish-inhabited". Is there an anthropological or ethnographic standard? --Uncle Ed 21:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

3RR on Cuba

I think you're already in violation, actually. But most certainly, if you touch it again with the soap-box anti-consensus addition, I'll have an admin give you a nice 24 hour rest period. LotLE×talk 19:11, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I've already promised not to undo any more reversions for the next 2 days, which you would have seen if you were following the discussion. See Talk:Cuba. [22]

But maybe they've changed the rules recently, and contributors no longer get a warning before being blocked? --Uncle Ed 19:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kurdish provinces Category:Kurdish cities Category:Kurdish inhabited region

Do you follow my rationale regarding my attempts for deletion of kurdish inhabited region categories?

We dont even have any census data for the Kurds. We cant categorise demographics based on supersticion, rumors or beliefs right?

Even with a census we do not tag D.C. as a black city that would be asking for trobble. Instead census data is presented via maps and other means. See: United States Census, 2000

Also you should realise the other two categories were created by a user who is a suspected sockpuppet of another [23]

--Cat out 08:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Many U.S. cities have black neighborhoods, Jewish neighborhoods or Chinatowns. --Uncle Ed 22:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes none are categorised as "Black inhabited region", "jewish inhabited region", "white inhabited region" etc.

Just categorising New York based on ethnicity can easily be a nightmare. You know... questions such as "What percentage qualifies to be a black city" etc.. What about "half breeds" and the "other"?

--Cat out 23:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Also feel free to join the discusion at Talk:Diyarbakır and the capital of Turkish Kurdistan. This may be the first step in someone else understanding my concerns.

First it starts with Category:Kurdistan (which was bad enough as far as I care), then we have a Turkish Kurdistan, then we have Diyarbakır becoming a kurdish dominant city.... and now Diyarbakır is the capital of Turkish Kurdistan.

--Cat out 23:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

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Response

Talk:Cuba#Parrots_Patriots if you response is as pathetically unoriginal as I fear it will be, I am not going to bother to respond.Travb 03:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Current events

Aren't you the student who expanded the Mosque article? Great work on that, you took the lead and turned out some great work there!

But the template:current events might need a bit of discussion first. I'm a software engineer and I know a few things about templates. Maybe we can work together on this? --Uncle Ed 16:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem; I was hoping for some discussion, but as you can see, the discussion on the proposed current events changes aren't getting anywhere. I replied to your comment on Talk:Current events, by the way. joturner 16:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Rupert Grint's age

Cool, heckuvan idea that was! :) RadioKirk talk to me 19:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Before

Thanks for trying to figure out what went wrong with {{before}} and for trying to fix it. --Uncle Ed 20:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Unfortunately, I don't see any way to fix it short of changing the parameter names in the template and/or all the calls to it. It'll work as is if you always put '3=' and '4=' in the calls to 'before', but obviously that's not ideal. --CBDunkerson 20:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Honor killing article

Hi. I saw your edits to Honor killing. I wonder if it's okay to ask you if you want to work on that article together? I know it's an upsetting topic; I myself have a hard time with it emotionally. But maybe if two people work on it together, it's not so hard.

Sorry, I don't know much about Islam, Muslim societies, or even whether there is a correlation between culture, religion and "honor". But I do know a bit about American feminism; is it related at all here? --Uncle Ed 19:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ed,

Sure, I wouldn't mind working on the article with you. I've been studying Islam for a few years (although I'm not an expert on everything about the religion) and according to what I've learned, there isn't any religious link to the act. I further elaborated on the issue in the discussion section of the Honor killing page, if you're interested.

I'm not sure if I can add more info to the page. I have some further knowledge about the topic, but I'll have to look long and hard in order to find the sources. Yet in the mean time, what I can do is look out for bias, generalizations and/or unfactual statements within the article.

As for feminism, I've studied different kinds of the doctrine/movement (whether or not they're American in origin) and find them all interesting in their own way.

Silver crescent 15:29, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Totalitarianism

I think you've mistaken me for someone else. -Smahoney 22:03, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, wouldn't be the first time. When I started out here, there were only 200 contributors. Now there are over 15,000. --Uncle Ed 22:08, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the only edit I've made to totalitarianism was to revert the addition of "Hitler sucks", which I assume wasn't you. Anyway, good luck working that out. -Smahoney 22:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello from the Mediation Committee

Dear Mediators Emeriti: I'm writing to all former/inactive mediators (now called "Mediators Emeriti" to emphasize the ability of any mediator to return at will to active participation on the Committee), to encourage each of you to share your wisdom and experience on the Committee by commenting on requests by new individuals to join the Committee. There are five current requests to join the Mediation Committee: Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee#Master_of_Puppets Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee#Wisden17 Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee#Journalist Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee#Cadr Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee#.5Edemon The current Committee respects and appreciates the time you spent on the Committee, and the insight you can provide, and encourages you to take part in these discussions. Additionally, any mediator emeritus who has the time and would like to return to active mediation would be welcomed with great enthusiasm. Yours respectfully, Essjay (Talk • Connect) 02:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC) (I recognize that many of you left the Committee to go on to other responsibilities, particularly Arbitration and the Board, but we still welcome your input on new committee members and encourage your participation. Please don't feel guilty if you cannot participate; we just want to remind everyone that they are welcome to do so.)

Template:Anti-war topics up for deletion

Template:Anti-war topics is up for deletion. Please weigh in on the discussion. Thanks! SchuminWeb (Talk) 09:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Category talk:Kurdish inhabited regions

Hi, the above category survived with a rename; care to comment further on appropriate usage? I feel that New York, Stockholm and now Guam are inappropriate. --Moby 10:51, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't have a comment on the category itself. There is a related conflict between Wikipedia contributors, however. Whatever that dispute is about, I would go back to the tired old advice I always have given: describe the dispute fairly and accurately and leave it unresolved.

For example, a lot of people (1) hate Jews and (2) deny the Holocaust. Rather than make a Wikipedia policy banning anti-Semitism and asserting the historical reality of the Holocaust, we have written articles about anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial.

Perhaps this will give you a hint on how to handle Turkey, Armenia, and Kurds. --Uncle Ed 13:36, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello there. I just want to assure that you are aware of [24] in case you want to weigh in. Bertilvidet 09:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Falun Dafa Page

Dear Sir, The user "Samuel_Luo" keeps deleting material from the article and insist on replacing them with things from really obscure websites like www.xyz.org/..... He has deleted the new york times figure on the number of practitioners over a dozen times. How could we edit the article if this continues? The entire section on tiananmen square self immolation including the animated gif, and all images related to the persecution has disappeared. When we try to re-inreoduce the material to the article, they label it "vandalism". I request you to please compare the page with the version on : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falun_Gong&oldid=53865440

Please Sir, constructive edits cannot happen on the article until sombody takes a strong stance agaisnt such vandlaism.

Dilip Rajeev

Well, I'm doing my best. I thought I would try the "easy" disputes before I got to the "hard" ones.

What's happening with the Financial Aspects dispute? The houses in Queens and New Jersey should be mentioned from both points of view: (1) that Li bought them with profits from Falun Gong; and (2) that his follower John Sun bought them for Master Li but Li refused the gifts.

Once this dispute is fairly described (one says he profited, the other says he refused a gift), I will move on the next dispute.

It would also help if you would create a user page, and sign your remarks with 4 tildes like everyone else: ~~~~ creates a link to your user page and a "date-time stamp" of when you left your remark. --Uncle Ed 14:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

yeah

Just wanted to thank you for all your help, as I really needed it at the time. Have you had a complete change in personality? I'll never understand what's the matter with people here. You are all the strangest bunch I have ever met. Josie the pussy cat

edits on falun gong page

Ed, Could you please request Samuel to stop reverting. Keeping half the material inside and half the material outside would almost make it impossible to isolate the controversies and discuss them. Dilip rajeev 21:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Historical materialism

Yes thanks Ed.. I did Marx at uni too. So your back now? I like your 'words to live by', bytheway. -- max rspct leave a message 22:04, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Age format

Thank you. I wasn't sure it would look any better, to be honest... ;) RadioKirk talk to me 13:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Falun Dafa page

Dear Mr. Poor: Thanks for your help on Falun Dafa page.

I would like to communicate with you about the persecution of Falun Gong and any questions you may be interested. Regarding the persecution, it is encouraging that since last year even mainland Chinese people have shown support for stopping the persecution. There is a brave lawyer named Gao, Zhisheng in China [25][26][27]. He wrote three open-letters to China leaders about stopping the persecution of Falun Gong. He is not a Falun Gong practitioner. I am amazed by his courage. No attorneys were allowed to defend for Falun Gong practitioners. And no Chinese laws are allowed to protect practitioners in China.

I know all about this. I have Western friends in China (can't give any names, sorry) as well as other sources. See below.

The serious extent of persecution depicted from what Attorney Gao investigated is even worsen than what was disclosed on Falun Gong practitioners' website clearwisdom.net. I think few people can finish reading his letter without tears. Here is the text of the third letter. [28] Day by day, the verified death numbers published on clearwisdom.net increase. However, I am afraid those are just a tip of iceberg.

We have to be really serious about editing Falun Gong page. I think nobody want to sin on this by mistake. Nobody want to be part of the crime by keeping holding the persecution truth to the public. Conscience is calling. If you may have any confusions on any issues, feel free to talk. I am willing to discuss any related questions. I will also work harder and watch closely on the talk page. I appreciate your understanding. Thanks. Fnhddzs 20:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Remember that Wikipedia cannot settle any factual dispute (and please follow this link, I wrote it especially for the FG dispute!). We can make it very clear why people believe that China is trying to wipe out FG supporters - as well as why people like T. disbelieve this. That is all Wikipedia can do.

Neutral does not mean "telling us the real truth". It means that when there is a dispute about what is really true Wikipedia articles do not try to say that one side is true and the other is false. This can be hard to understand or accept. --Uncle Ed 20:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Factual dispute

Someone has nominated your article for deletion. Please visit and contribute to the discussion. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Factual dispute--Isotope23 12:43, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Socialism

I explained why I hid that text in my 15:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC) post on the talk page. Cberelt explained why he removed the same text minutes earlier. You, however, have shown no evidence that you've actually read the content. Please revert your edit. It was not helpful at all. 172 | Talk 15:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me to that. I'll check talk:Socialism and respond there. I'll even try to remember not to create a new talk page section. --Uncle Ed 15:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

This edit [29] truly surpised me. Thanks for the positive step. 172 | Talk 15:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Why should it surprise you? I wrote undo unexplained reversion - please use the discussion page for my edit summary and you explained your reversion using talk pages. I had to correct my own mistake! --Uncle Ed 15:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

ID

Good call on the intro. It sounds better and doesn't claim anything either way. --Nnp 14:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I work very hard at attaining NPOV. My standard is that you should not be able to tell where I stand on an issue by my contributions to a Wikipedia article about that issue. (I do reserve the right to sound off on the talk pages, of course.) --Uncle Ed 14:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Ed, given that you keep on stepping on the editors' toes, I suggest that you bring up any potential edits on the talk page first. I also suggest that you familiarize yourself with the archives. I believe you do mean well, but you're never going to accomplish anything if you can't learn to work with the majority of the editors there. Ladlergo 17:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

3RR

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. --ScienceApologist 16:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I undid three unexplained reversions of lengthy series of edits which I and others made.

Then I did two extra reverts of a small edit.

Looks like a concerted effort by a clique to prevent anyone else from editing the article. You, Joshua, appear to be part of this clique; so if you are an admin, I hope you won't block me yourself. --Uncle Ed 16:36, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

There is NEVER an excuse for violating 3RR. It looks like you just implicated yourself. --ScienceApologist 16:40, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

See my apology at talk:Intelligent design. I hope you are not trying to trap me, Joshua. --Uncle Ed 16:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Ed, please account for your behavior at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Ed_Poor_(2) FeloniousMonk 20:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

SEPP

Hi Ed, Substantially equal periodic payments (IRS) is a stub, but that doesn't mean it's not an important topic. It's just no one has gotten to it yet. If someone types in SEPP, there should be a clear path to get to that article also. That's why we have disambiguations. I would request moving it back. There's no huge need to have it a straight redirect instead of a disambig. - Taxman ^Talk 17:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I have no objection to your suggestion. Feel free to move it back. "Should 5% appear too small ..." ;-) --Uncle Ed 17:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, it's just something that needs better coverage, but hasn't been got to yet. And I will be back for the other 5% later. :) If you want, check if I messed anything up too. - Taxman ^Talk 19:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

IRC

Can you also tag along on #wikimedia ? I dont really like #wikipedia ... I am online most of the time. --Cat out 00:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Factual dispute

Just letting you know, this was userfied to User:Ed Poor/Factual dispute per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Factual dispute. --bainer (talk) 08:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

You are a POV-pusher

Frankly, you are pushing the POV of the creationist sympathies of your religious guru. I suggest you discuss your changes to creation-evolution related pages before you continue in this one-sided editting rampage. --ScienceApologist 17:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Improvements

I've improved some of your controversial sub-pages. I hope this is OK. Stephen B Streater 19:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Fine. I never intended these as personal pages. I'm just trying to keep them on the wiki somewhere for handy reference. --Uncle Ed 20:46, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Moon landing hoax

By the way, Wikipedia:Wikistalking is frowned upon. --ScienceApologist 19:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I just happened to notice that some dolt had copied my complaint on your talk page word for word, and followed up. That's not stalking, but, come to think of it, ARE you doing Wikipedia:mass reverts on other pages besides ID? --Uncle Ed 19:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

• Once an editor has given reason to suspect bad faith, monitoring is appropriate. Thanks, I didn't know that!

I did copy your complaint, because I came to SA's page to complain of the same thing. It was a whimsy to duplicate yours to make the point that he is doing the same thing to me. I really need some help with SA, he consistently reverts without discussion - I don't know how to deal with his POV pushing when he refuses to discuss it. For great justice. 20:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, but all you have to say is "same thing". It carries more weight.

And I'll keep an eye on the moon hoax page, but bear in mind I'm biased: I'm quite sure the landings occurred. Cheers. --Uncle Ed 20:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't tell SA, but so am I. The point is not what you or I believe, but whether the article treats the subject neutrally. For great justice. 15:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mass revert

Errrmmmm... why are you asserting that Wikipedia:Mass revert is a guideline? Its full of redlinks, apart from anything else!?! William M. Connolley 21:21, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

(Bit ironic in view of SA's previous :-)

I'm not, ScienceApologist and FeloniousMonk and that lot are. I'm merely codifying what they told me is policy. They aren't having me on, are they? --Uncle Ed 21:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

This certainly looks like a violation of WP:POINT to me. --ScienceApologist

3RR on Creation-evolution controversy

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

This block will expire in twelve hours. To contest the block, add {{unblock}} to your talk page or e-mail me. AmiDaniel (talk) 21:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Naw, that's okay. I must have lost count. I thought I only reverted 3 times. I'll be more careful in the future. --Uncle Ed 14:04, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Please don't lie about me

It's against your religion. I never said that "mass reverts" was a policy. You cannot show me a place where I said this. Please remove your comments to that regard. I don't appreciate being goaded in this way. --ScienceApologist 00:34, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

You mean that you don't support the practice of 2 or more users banding together and reverting all changes from the supposed "consensus" version they've declared? Or at least, that you don't think it's a policy? --Uncle Ed 01:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

What I mean is, when you wrote this you were lying about me. --ScienceApologist 13:45, 4 June 2006 (UTC)