Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/United States and Canada task force

New York Cosmos and New York Cosmos (2010) team articles

Could I please request further comments at Talk:New York Cosmos (2010) for the discussion about how to handle articles for the New York Cosmos pages? Currently, we have New York Cosmos focusing on the team that played in the original NASL and New York Cosmos (2010) covering the attemped startup of a similarly named organization. There is disagreement as to whether or not they should be merged and could potentially change how all similarly named teams are handled on WIkipedia. Thank you Cmjc80 (talk) 22:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Southern Premier Soccer League

Sorry, I am not a wiki expert, and our league needs some wiki help.

The person responsible for the bulk of our wiki content has exited with a team that elected not to continue participating. This leaves the league wiki pages with incomplete information.

The SPSL expects to gain provisional status as a USASA Regional League sometime next week. We are in the last few weeks of the Winter Cup and will restart for the Summer Cup schedule in April with the addition of three more teams.

Would anybody here consider taking up another league?

StephenHeisler1966StephenHeisler1966 (talk) 15:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Soccer in the United States

Soccer in the United States has been requested to be renamed. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 04:49, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

New banner (Template:Women's football)

It remains to complete the section of women players' bibliographies. --Charlesquebec (talk) 16:44, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Chris Sharpe

Has Chris Sharpe (goalkeeper last with Colorado Rapids) ever played in a fully professional league in the United States? I have found evidence he played for Vermont Voltage in the PDL but nothing else... Hack (talk) 03:22, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

USL W-League

The season 2011 soon begins in USL W-League.

I am going to make the updates for the Canadian teams especially the player's roster and the staff:

• Hamilton FC Rage
• Laval Comets
• London Gryphons
• Ottawa Fury Women
• Quebec City Amiral SC
• Toronto Lady Lynx
• Vancouver Whitecaps Women

Also I write a page for the new team Victoria Highlanders Women.

I noticed that pages on several American teams are not up to date. One or two persons could update them ? Thanks, --Charlesquebec (talk) 20:50, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hamilton FC Rage Done
• Laval Comets Done
• London Gryphons
• Ottawa Fury Women
• Quebec City Amiral SC  Done
• Toronto Lady Lynx  Done
• Vancouver Whitecaps Women  Done
• Victoria Highlanders Women  Done

--Par petites touches (talk) 15:10, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

US Open Cup naming

The National Challenge Cup, commonly known as the U.S. Open Cup had an official name change as most of you may know when it became titled the Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup. It might surprise you to know that prior to that the tournament was never officially called the U.S. Open Cup hence my opening statement. The official name was always National Challenge Cup. Articles were created using U.S Open Cup but that was before extensive research was done. Most of the information that people had used came from the internet, namely the US Soccer Archives. They use the term Open Cup as far back as 1948 leading people to believe that there was an official name change however this was not so. Recently some users had retitled some of the older articles to say USOC instead of NCC based on the outdated information on the Archives and US Soccer sites. In fact the 1949 tournament was retitled USOC despite a direct reference in the opening paragraph citing a quote by the cup commissioner himself using the term NCC. There are many variations on the name because there were so many newspapers and sports writers across the country. Among them: U.S. Cup, National Cup, U.S. Open, U.S. Challenge, U.S. National Open, National Open, National Open Challenge, National Challenge, U.S.F.A., U.S. Soccer Championship, National Soccer Cup, National Soccer Championship, U.S. Open National Challenge, USSF National Challenge. Despite the variety in use the only one that can be called the 'official name' is NCC since that is the term used in official documentation and publications as well as championship hardware and sponsorship. In fact all the other tournaments were also called the NCC's which include the Amateur and Junior Cups. National Amateur Challenge Cup(est. 1922) and National Junior Challenge Cup(est. 1935). Variations include National Amateur Cup, Amateur Cup, and U.S. Amateur Cup, etc. The term open is used as an identifier to make things easier for newspaper readers to understand. That goes for the term U.S. since it clarifies which nation's tournament it is not to mention the fact that it saves space and ink. The reason I did not make any other articles past 1940 and prior to 1988(w/ exception of 48,49,73) was that I was uncertain what the best title should be. For example 1982 was USSF/Lowenbrau National Challenge Cup, or 1988 Budweiser USSF National Challenge Cup. Even the 1973 article data coming from USSF publications would be U.S. Open National Challenge Cup which is quite long so I left it as USOC for the time being. Recently I thought a good solution was to use redirects since a user had mistakenly made USOC articles for the 50s and 60s so that USOC redirects to NCC. I think redirects for 70s and 80s would be good too since someone might look for 1985 USOC and it would send them to Budweiser USSF NCC instead. Anyway I brought this discussion here because no one seemed to be taking part in discussions on the main tournament page or the individual articles. I also noticed edit war behavior looming with one user not responding to discussion and another engaging in massive reverts. So far the only discussions that have been taking place were with editors of thecup.us which by the way is also not updated. That site's historical section is still under construction and reflects the old US soccer archive data. Libro0 (talk) 18:52, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

College soccer taskforce

Under your scopes, you don't directly cover college soccer - is there a need to do so? GiantSnowman 14:39, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Werner Fricker Builder Award

U.S. Soccer recently announced that nominations are being accepted for the 2012 U.S. Soccer Werner Fricker Builder Award (see: U.S. Soccer Announcement). Should a new #Awards section be created on United States Soccer Federation and perhaps a reference made on Werner Fricker's page, which could use some improvement. This is much a reminder for myself as anyone else. ~ Fopam (talk) 13:29, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

playoff of 2011 North American Soccer League season

seccion undone yet but games played--Feroang (talk) 20:14, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

History of MLS Cup Playoffs?

MLS Cup Playoffs article need look more like NBA_Playoffs#History, showing how the system change by the years, just do some copypaste, recopilation of the diagrams from every year page--Feroang (talk) 06:34, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

A teamwork together

Why not? Each of us has the skills and we can quite together contribute. We propose the writing together of the page Major women's sport leagues in North America. In more this collective realization can allow us of know and to settle together a solidarity with Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's sport, Thanks --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 14:02, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Kristine et Mia

Hello, We need help and assistant to write on 5 Major leagues of women's soccer in North America (WPS, USL-League, WPSL, NCAA and CIS ). This is in the section Women's soccer leagues of the new page Major women's sport leagues in North America. Please Want to help us? thanks so much, merci beaucoup, תודה --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 00:56, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Women's Soccer

Can american women's soccer be included into the UNITED STATES AND CANADA TASK FORCE?SirEdimon (talk) 00:36, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Colin Linford

Hi there. Colin Linford, a former president of the Canadian Soccer Association has been nominated for deletion, and the discussion can be seen here. I thought you guys would know if this was a notable person or not. Mentoz86 (talk) 18:12, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Indoor soccer seasons

Does anyone know whether we should be considering individual indoor soccer club seasons as notable? For example, the articles in Category:American soccer clubs 2011–12 season and Category:American soccer clubs 2012–13 season; should they exist? – PeeJay 16:08, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

History of American soccer

To the task force:

I'd like to begin a discussion on how far back we want to go with American soccer history. We currently have an article that dates back to the 1860s, where there is some confusion as to whether or not it is a kicking game entire or early variations of American football. OL35srf brought it up, and you can see his statement in my personal talk page. Quidster4040 (talk) 19:47, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Early USA & Canadian Soccer Games

Dear Task Force, If I May;

I have spent over 50 years pulling out kicking games (soccer), carrying games (rugby) and ball-possession games (football) for the USA & Canada from the 1700s into the 20th century. I wrote a couple books, but had to self-publish them because they contained too much data vs too little text. Years ago I found out self-published books cannot be used for verification purposes in Wikipedia.

Last December, my 2008 book, 'Evolvements of Early American Foot Ball: Thru the 1890/91 Season', was used to verify some soccer games in 1866, 1868 & 1870. So I questioned Wikipedia's approach and after a discussion they agreed I could greatly help in the histories of soccer & rugby, but I still should not use my book as a verifier very much.

I contacted Quidster4040 and he opened up the 'New Section #16' for discussion. I thank him for answering my statement to him.

I really would like to help add information, but do not know how to use the Wikipedia system. If I have to verify some of my statements, I only know how to use email to send articles and data: MEL1SMITH@hotmail.com. I don't even know how to sign up as a 'participant' yet.

Next I would like to explain a basic problem with the historical approaches to soccer and rugby in America & Canada; versus the world's approach.

Sincerely, Melvin I. Smith, OL35srf, 04/22/2013 OL35srf (talk) 14:54, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

The Two-Game Model vs the One-Game Model

To the Task Force;

There is a paradigm with two different approaches used in the histories of soccer, rugby & football. In Wikipedia, you guys seem to accept the world view of a two-game model. You follow the kicking game (soccer) and carrying game (rugby), which are separated after the 1850s and not mixed together.

Countries like America and Canada have developed their national football games, which use the early kicking games and carrying games as a one-game model. After the 1850s, these early games are still combined and mixed together into the 20th century.

Personally, I am an American who believes in the two-game model approach. But, could there any possible ways these two models could be displayed together in America history between 1869 & 1917? Currently, the 1869 association football game between Rutgers & Princeton is listed under the American gridiron football game. The last rugby games are listed under the American gridiron football game at Stanford University in 1917. I have found tons of early foot-ball games that could be displayed in Wikipedia now, but the information will never be accepted in the American colleges because they go by the one-game model approach during this early period in the USA. Help? - any one!

Melvin I. Smith, OL35srf, 04/25/2013 OL35srf (talk) 12:45, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Assessments

Why is it that the assessments table includes articles with an importance rating of high/mid/low, but not any articles rated "top" importance? Can someone who is a more skilled Wiki user fix that? Barryjjoyce (talk) 17:33, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Problem now solved. That was quick. Thank you to whoever did that. Barryjjoyce (talk) 22:46, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

C.D. Chivas USA

Hi. There is a requested move for C.D. Chivas USA. I'm sure this project would be interested. --MicroX (talk) 19:18, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

MLS Cup Playoffs

Hey everyone,

I'm new to the party here, so yay me, anyhow, the reason I signed up is because I was a bit underwhelmed by the MLS_Cup_Playoffs page. I was wondering if the group wouldn't mind adding some stuff to the page. I was thinking history of playoff formats by year, qualification streaks by team, furthest round reached by team, etc. If this is something that people might want on the page I'd be happy to put in some work on that particular subject. Let me know!

Bluemoon6790 (talk) 01:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)Bluemoon6790

Support today's featured article nom for USOC article

Hey fellow task force members,

I've nominated 2011 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final to appear as today's featured article (TFA) on Wikipedia's main page on September 16th. In case you don't recognize it, that's the date of the 2014 final (to be played in Philadelphia this year). I thought it would be cool to have it run on the same day as the final and hopefully drive a little more awareness of this 101-year-old tournament. If you like this idea, head on over to the TFA requests page and add your support to this nomination. --SkotyWA^T_C 17:47, 23 August 2014 (UTC)