User talk:Jytdog

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Thalidomide use in tuberculosis

Hi, I saw you reverted my edit which added a subsection titled "Tuberculosis" to the Thalidomide article. Thanks for the advice that Wikipedia policy is to not use primary sources for medical research articles, which I wasn't aware of. (counter-intuitive to how one would cite a lot of primary sources when writing a research paper). I have re-written the section with citations of 3 review papers from separate groups of authors which are in agreement that it may be useful in cases of tuberculous meningitis. I've also left in the citation to a newspaper article for the interest of non-scientific readers because the study described was conducted at a reputable research university in South Africa, which has a strong TB research community. If you don't agree go ahead and delete the newspaper article link but I think the rest should be allowed to stand. Xenobiologista (talk) 21:49, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.

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Requested edits on Cerner talk page

Hi Jytdog, I have added some suggested updates to make the Cerner Wikipedia article current and more reflective of the company as it is today.

Would you mind reviewing my suggested edits and adding them to the article or giving me feedback on what could improve my suggested edits? I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you. JNorman704 (talk) 20:58, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jytdog, I'm following up to see if you'd take a look at my suggested edits on the Cerner Wikipedia article talk page. I'm trying to update the article for factual accuracy and to give readers a more current understanding of the company. Please let me know if you're willing to either make my suggested edits or give me feedback on them. Please advise either way. Thank you so much for your consideration. JNorman704 (talk) 20:35, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

thank you for your patience and for following up! I will get to that tonight. sorry. Jytdog (talk) 20:37, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! I know you're busy so I appreciate any help. JNorman704 (talk) 20:38, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Abuse of COIN

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Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atsme (talk • contribs) 02:01, 12 July 2015‎ (UTC)

Femarelle (DT56A) clarifications

Hello,

The "Femarelle (DT56a)" article has some incorrect information, along with the general feeling of a person trying to sabotage the product and the firm's good reputation. Femarelle is a food supplement for the management of menopause with 17 published studies in leading journals.

The first mistake is regarding to the (12) reference, Femarelle is not a Drug, it is a food supplement and has gone through PreIND reviews in the FDA as a botanical drug candidate, and was approved to go into Phase III based on existing data. Femarelle has tried to get a disease prevention claim for the reduction of osteoporosis and other bone disorders among post-menopausal women under article 14 of Regulation (EC) no. 1924/2006 at EFSA(1,12) , however the claim was not accepted and the file was withdrawn from EFSA. Hot flushes has noting to do with this reference as well. This information is correct, it is important to write it all and not only a part of it.

The second mistake is regarding to the ingredients, The ingredients in Femarelle are 322 mg DT56a (a tofu extract) and 108 mg flaxseed powder,[2] which act as a selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM).

My final question is why did you delete the references? all of the references in my article are published and authorized by professional committees and peer reviewed journals, i would expect them to have great value for this article because they are public domain...all that needs to be done is to go to Pubmed"

Please take this information in consideration while re-editing this article.

Thank you. SecurePharma (talk) 11:02, 20 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Securepharmaltd (talk • contribs)

Please post at the article's Talk page: this conversation belongs there. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 12:48, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Tartrazine July 2015

Please visit the talk page of "Tartrazine" to resolve this issue. Sunpoint (talk) 16:16, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Not enough information in Femarelle article

Hello, This article has almost no information what so ever. Wikipedia is a tool used to help people get an idea about things they don't know about, a tool to get information. You deleted almost every reference that was added before, Why did you? In addition to all, you gave no information of the "mode of action" of the supplement, no information of the positive effects of use, not enough information what so ever, good or bad. I believe it is important to inform the articles writer that:

1. The legal regulations for marketing/presenting of such supplements are different i US, EU and in other parts of the world. the writer's EU-POV in this article is geocentrical and therefore not in line with W-policies.

2. As W prefers review articles as a source for medical and health information, it is important to draw the writer's attention to such an article with specific references to Femarelle: S. Bedell. et al., The pros and cons of plant estrogen for menopause, J. Steroid Biochem. Mol. Biol. (2013). http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jsbmb.2012.12.004

3. the writer has removed so called «inappropriate categories» from the article, while another article on a SERM the writer has edited (Menerba) still are categorized in Menopause, SERMs, Herbalism and Botanial drugs. Why are these products treated differently?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by קוריןבןקים (talk • contribs) 06:23, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

You left the same note on the article talk page. I'll reply there. Please also see the note I left on your Talk page. Jytdog (talk) 12:21, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Warning 2

Who do you think you are leaving such an offensive, unfounded personal attack on my talk page? I will continue editing as I am doing and learning along the way by reading guides provided. Don't threaten me again because you feel sorry for this editor who holds a blatant COI and only entered Wikipedia to edit his friend and mentor's article. He has had conflicts with over 5 other well intentioned and experienced editors. Wikipedia articles are not fan pages! If you leave another message like that on my talk page I will take it your personal attacks to an administrator myself. Bring it on! I hope I have made myself patently clear sir!Baroccas (talk) 15:52, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Wow! Such ferociousness. Jytdog left some helpful advice, so this response is way over the top. Your battlefield attitude is not helpful. User:Gjboyle is a new editor who is learning how things work here, so don't bite the newbie. Your animosity toward him needs to be kept out of Wikipedia. -- BullRangifer (talk) 17:42, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

This one appears to be a sock. -Roxy the non edible dog™ (resonate) 17:45, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, indeed. I'll file an ANI momentarily. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 17:48, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

At least he said "sir". — Brianhe (talk) 18:25, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

The addition of the "2" in the heading is necessary, since the TOC won't work properly with identical headings. Clicking on such a heading in the TOC can send one to a different section with the same title. I suggest you restore it, or modify it, preferably to the original heading, which shows the unreasonableness of the attack on you. Changing it removed the evidence from view. That only helps the attacker. -- BullRangifer (talk) 01:56, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

ok, i put it back. thanks for telling me about the problem. Jytdog (talk) 01:59, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Alleged_hounding_by_SPA_User:Baroccas. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 17:57, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Femarelle (DT56a)

Hello, on your last edit you removed all categories, leaving not even one. Could you add a correct category no the article, broad as it may be. TNX, DGtal (talk) 17:57, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Sure. This is a better comment for the Talk page, however. Jytdog (talk) 19:34, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Visual prosthesis

Would you like to explain why you think it appropriate to remove reference to the use of the Argus Retinal Prosthesis in a new context - which has been reported by national media in the UK?Rathfelder (talk) 10:31, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

This discussion belongs on one of the relevant article Talk pages; I've already responded at one of them. Jytdog (talk) 10:40, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Clinuvel page

Well, the page was deleted. It's a shame. The admin said it was "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". I really don't understand where that guy saw the promotional content. Blockmaker00 (talk) 16:44, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

so it goes. a good try! Jytdog (talk) 16:22, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again for having recovered and improved the text after I have given up.Blockmaker00 (talk) 16:44, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Asparagus curillus

Sorry to trouble you again. I came across this article, which is notable by definition since it's about a plant species. Most of the text, however, makes medical claims sourced to three journal articles, two of which are written by the editor of the article. You are more au fait with the medical stuff than me, so I'd be grateful if you can spare the time for a quick look. The editor has removed the species box and my tags once, so you may need to check the history. No sweat if you're too busy Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:19, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

I'll do so later today. Thanks for pointing out the problem! Jytdog (talk) 15:05, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks for that, it's much better. I'll keep watching, although I suspect he's more concerned about keeping his journal refs than the medical stuff. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:07, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

WP:1AM

You might find my essay at WP:1AM to contain some helpful advice. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:31, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

I am listening, and I understand consensus very well. But thanks. Jytdog (talk) 10:27, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Woodland Meadows speedy

Did you notice this? I almost wonder if it was a defense against a future speedy. — Brianhe (talk) 01:11, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Unsourced content?

Why delete a perfectly good chunk of an article instead of working on it? And yes, some of the content in Anavex_Life_Sciences was unsourced, but much of it was sourced, and the rest can be easily sourced if someone puts some time into it. If you look at the revision history, first sources were removed, and then it was claimed that the text was unsourced.--Agamemnus (talk) 06:40, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

I added 3 sources from the company's website for 3 sections.. maybe some other stuff is unsourced; not sure. Doesn't mean one needs to go around removing it when it can easily BE sourced.--Agamemnus (talk) 06:46, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Please discuss on the article talk page. Jytdog (talk) 11:46, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Someone should have notified you

...but they didn't, so I will. Editors are talking about you at WP:ANI#Hounding by GregJackP. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:07, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 01:05, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

You are very welcome. FYI, you referred to Risker at ANI as "he", but she's actually a "she". --Tryptofish (talk) 20:26, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Phenothiazine possible effect

Hi Jytdog, I receive your edit war warning. I would like to let you know that the Phenothiazine could possibly trigger antiphospholipid syndrome as described in the session "Other clinical associations" aPL(Antiphospholipid) antibodies are also found in association with phenothiazines, such as described in Antiphospholipid Syndrome Antiphospholipid Syndrome among in the original link i posted to the article Liwk (talk) 08:54, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for talking. It is best to do this at the article talk page - if you would like to post there, i'll response there. thanks! Jytdog (talk) 08:58, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok, i will move this to the talk page there then. Liwk (talk) 09:08, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Been there, done that

If someone's following you around & annoying you? the best thing to do is ignore that someone. I found out on Wikipedia, that if one doesn't have a strong support-base, then this is how to handle such situations. It's best to let somebody else deal with whoever's bugging you. GoodDay (talk) 14:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

GoodDay I know that. As I replied to you at ANI, the problem is that in the course of following me around, Elvey is making a mess of ongoing COI discussions. I cannot ignore it when Elvey purposefully disrupts those discussions as they did with ColumbiaLion or harasses editors who do the right thing and disclose, as they did at KaiserPermanente. Jytdog (talk) 14:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Forgotten NY "spam"

I know you are removing the Forgotten NY website links because it may be "spam". However, a closer look shows that this is not the case. Forgotten NY is a pretty reliable source as it goes, and the only mistake made here was that the site's operator added the links. Epic Genius (talk) 21:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

this is 100% spamming behavior. If you, as an independent editor, want to restore the link, evaluating each instance on an article-by-article basis, knock yourself out. Jytdog (talk) 23:09, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for the belated response. It looks like some of the links were added before Mr. Walsh began editing, e.g. On the South Brooklyn Railway article. Epic Genius (talk) 14:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I just followed their contribs and reverted their spamming edits, one by one. As I said, if in your evaluation as an independent editor you judge that the EL adds value to any article, please feel free to include it. Jytdog (talk) 14:36, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate your feedback. When i get the chance, I'll check them one by one. Epic Genius (talk) 16:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Quick word, and you can delete this

I think Anavex is probably notable enough for inclusion, though you are right that it needs to be much better sourced with regard to independent and secondary sources. Startups in pharma are most often notable if they are presenting at national meetings—it takes much more in the way of resources to open a chem-focused operation, than an app or other digital startup (I can tell you form first hand experience, having worked for the former, and started two of the latter in my living room). The fact that they are a penny stock, only, should not be used against them (and in fact is a plus, though it may mean as soon as they come up with something, they will be bought or squashed). My opinion. Will only express it at that deletion page if we can agree. Cheers. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 18:51, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Please do at the deletion discussion as you see fit. Jytdog (talk) 18:53, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Just a final comment to close this, and then do as you will with the Section. (I would prefer deletion, because I got as personal as I get here, and I have not had a good record here with individuals who piece together who I am from snippets shared.) No concern for you, just all the others less committed to integrity. As far as that article goes, just be aware, I am viewing it as a business article, not a medical article, and so will (i) harshly edit any overstated medical claims, and (ii) view loosely any expectation that it still be around next year (because that is the name of the game, and we at WP have an opportunity to create records of such important entities, even if their existence in the long run is transient). I say important, because they have gotten buzz at Alzherimer's meetings, and so stirred the pot, even if that is all they ever do. Cheers. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 20:03, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

thought you might be interested...

[1] --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:32, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Xna

Hello Sir/Madam, I just wanna know what was wrong in the editing I did in in the topic Xna. Its just for the sake of my knowledge and nothing else Thanks Lekhni Tiwari (talk) 06:46, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for talking! I would be happy to discuss on the article Talk page - please post your question there. Jytdog (talk) 12:20, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Source what?

Hi Jyt: On Alice, what do you want to source? The Diehr case from 1981 is [[ ]]'ed and there is a whole article on it? What do you mean by the Cn? Thx.

BTW, Jyt, you aren't a patent lawyer or a software person. Are you following me around? Why did you go to Alice? It's curious. - PraeceptorIP (talk) 18:48, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for asking about the cn tag. It means "citation needed" and we use that when someone adds unsourced content to Wikipedia. This is one of the things I've been trying to speak with you about - you cannot add content to Wikipedia based on your own authority - content needs citations that support it. This is a fundamental way that Wikipedia is really different from writing a journal article that has your name on it as an author. In this content you added, the first sentence is sourced. The second sentence is not sourced, nor is the footnote; that all came straight out of your head. That's not good editing, here in Wikipedia.

Am I following you around, and why did I go to the Alice article? I care about IP for a bunch of reasons. It is one of the key engines of the US economy and is playing a bigger and bigger role on the world stage as the "knowledge economy" is spreading into more and more industries. The Alice article has been on my watchlist for a long time. So no, I didn't follow you there. You are going to find me at a lot of IP articles. I care about it. I also deal with it as part of my job; I make decisions that depend in part on what kind of claims are allowable and what the chances are that issued claims will survive efforts to invalidate them. Jytdog (talk) 20:29, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Jyt, if you don't mind I will reply on the Talk page of the article. Thx. PraeceptorIP (talk) 20:49, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

i don't mind at all - that is totally appropriate. Jytdog (talk) 21:11, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Quinn

They are indeed better quotes from Gene Quinn. But the old ones were OK too and had some substance. No reason to remove them, PraeceptorIP (talk) 02:40, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

This is better discussed at the article Talk page, but it is a question of WEIGHT, right? Should we include the ones I added and the ones you picked, that would give an awful lot of weight to his views, don't you think? Jytdog (talk) 02:43, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, you are right. PraeceptorIP (talk) 15:19, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

DRN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Ubiquinol.23Therapeutic_Uses_of_Ubiquinol_discussion Notification, cos the OP didn't do it. -Roxy the non edible dog™ (resonate) 10:12, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Not sure why I bothered !!! -Roxy the non edible dog™ (resonate) 16:25, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

That was nice of you! I had been debating how to respond there... Jytdog (talk) 16:54, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Crowdfunding

Hello Jytdog. A few hours ago you edited the article Crowdfunding which had just been edited by an IP user. While your edits were fine, the IP user's good faith edits are problematic, in that the IP user replaced significant portions of the debt-based crowdfunding section with different wording, and then used citations that are all about equity-based crowdfunding (apples and oranges, I'm afraid!). Anyway, I'm going to take another look at that section (in a few hours from now), but I wouldn't mind a second opinion before I boldly fix it. (I'll watch here for any reply -- no ping necessary)  Etamni | ✉  22:24, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

sorry - yeah i should have caught that. i fixed it. thanks! Jytdog (talk) 01:03, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

You're quick! I just got home and just got to this on my to-do list and you had already fixed it (and probably did a better job of it than I might have!)  Etamni | ✉  01:09, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

glad you are pleased; least i could do after polishing a turd, as i did. Jytdog (talk) 01:13, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

I will see you at

…the appropriately chosen Adcom, for your failure to engage in this matter as advised by the Admin originally involved, and failing to AGF and engage other editors just as informed and due respect and involvement as you are. Nothing at Wikipedia is irreversible. This was a bad, summarily enacted decision without enough time and editors speaking to it, and with important continuing negative ramifications. Enjoy your day. Le PRof Leprof 7272 (talk) 02:05, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Please see my response to you at the Talk page. Jytdog (talk) 02:10, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Nothing found, and no link provided. Matter is going forward, unless you revert, and leave the Foundation article in place until a discussion can be completed. Your heavy-handedness and disrespect for the novice editor involved will be reviewed. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 02:23, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

I responded on both relevant Talk pages. Jytdog (talk) 02:26, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

You clearly posted here before the other pages.

The all caps formatting was used to get attention. You may interpret it other than it was intended; it was necessary because I had asked the same thing repeatedly of you before, and yet you steamrolled ahead, regardless. I needed to be sure you were seeing my requests, and ignoring them and acting regardless. You have confirmed seeing them, and so the larger text served its purpose. I will accept any punishment necessary for not knowing there was a rule against such formatting.

I have not misrepresented Sandstein. He made clear that the merger did not need proceed, and that discussion could continue.

You have flexed your editorial muscle, further disrespecting two editors, myself and the novice. If you want this matter to remain civil, and as an editorial matter, with a true aim toward broad consensus, then put the PBC Foundation article back up. It is only you, and at best, a cabal of two, that is insisting it needs come down immediately. (And there are two asking it not.) Put the PBC Fndn article back up, or we deal with this on the basis of your treatment of Jrfw51 and the principles relevant to Wikipedia that are involved, via discussion before administrators. Le Prof. Leprof 7272 (talk) 02:33, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

I will no longer post at this page, or at my Talk page regarding this matter. There are too many venues going. If you have anything further to say, say it at the PBC article talk page. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 02:47, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

That makes sense. Jytdog (talk) 02:48, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Please see my comments at Talk:PBC Foundation. Your opinion and involvement will clearly be key to any restoration of the Foundation as a separate entry. Now what would you propose to do about all the other Health charities Category:Health charities which have separate entries to their disease pages and rely heavily on their own websites? Jrfw51 (talk) 11:59, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I despair at the WP:POINTiness of your remarks about articles about other charities. Wikipedia is wildly imperfect - we all do the best we can, where we can. If you are going to run around WP grinding axes - that every other disease advocacy group articles should be treated just like "yours" was, out of anger or some sense of injustice - you are not going to last long here. On the other hand, if you now have a better grasp of WP:ORG and want to improve the encyclopedia so that more articles on disease advocacy groups meet our policies and guidelines (and there is a remarkable amount of COI/PROMO/ADVOCACY editing when it comes to nonprofits generally), then please, go to work on them. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 12:14, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you again for your advice. Jrfw51 (talk) 12:44, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Tamoxifen and Aggressive fibromatosis

Tamoxifen is a complementary treatment for this illness. Source: Several online medical articles. Thanks.

Happy to discuss at the article talk page. "several online medical articles" is not going to cut it, btw. :) Jytdog (talk) 03:23, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Can you exaclly explain what the wrong of the soruce?.--Jobas (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Okay i saw now the talk page. i will bring one. Have a nice day.--Jobas (talk) 13:30, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Jobas Yes that is for discussion on the article Talk page. While we are talking on user Talk pages, I have noticed that you are on a bit of a streak, editing about Christians in science. Please be aware that Wikipedia is not a platform for advocacy, per the policy WP:NOTADVOCACY. I am not making a statement that you are doing that, at this time, but I am giving you a heads up. Jytdog (talk) 13:33, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm not pushing any propaganda here or using wikipeida as platform for advocacy, and i'm pretty awar of the rules in wikipedia. And still don't think there is a single problem editing about Christians in science if my edit will be supported with sources. Thank you for your concern.--Jobas (talk) 13:37, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the thanking me on the edit of the page on Peter Gelb. Gretchen Mädelnick (talk) 22:59, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

it was a good self-catch. :) Jytdog (talk) 23:02, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom case "Editor conduct in e-cigs articles" has now been opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Editor conduct in e-cigs articles. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Editor conduct in e-cigs articles/Evidence. Please add your evidence by August 18, 2015, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Editor conduct in e-cigs articles/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 11:24, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

PBC and advocacy

Starting a new section to move on from previous discussions.

As you know I have tried again to describe in Primary biliary cirrhosis the Name change initiative and its result. You reverted several of my changes on the grounds of WP:NOTADVOCACY and also WP:NPOV, and WP:VERIFY. I am trying to document the process behind this change in name (now accepted) as we had in the PBC article before merging. I thought the change you reverted here [2] was not advocacy as it was a summary of the process described by the AASLD in ref 7.[3] Before I revert/revise this again, I would be grateful if you could read that source again and discuss or preferably edit the entry to what are considered WP standards. I would not consider the professional AASLD society an advocacy organization. I am also aware of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:PRIMARY. Jrfw51 (talk) 16:57, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I am going to ask you some other questions first. Why is the detail about the process important for the encyclopedia? Why will this detail matter in 10 years? Jytdog (talk) 18:20, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Readers will find references to "primary biliary cirrhosis" in the old literature and not understand why it is now called "primary biliary cholangitis". How did the that name change come about? Compare (as I know is irrelevant to much of WP) "Campylobacter pyloridis" becoming "Helicobacter pylori", or "Serum hepatitis" being dropped in favor of "Hepatitis B". The effect of "patient advocacy" is possibly notable too, now the name change has professional acceptance. I cannot immediately think of any other disorder where patients have advocated and achieved this. (Careful here not to do original research!) I consider the history of disease and scientific changes to be important to WP as well as a description of current thinking (hence my previous edit here of AMA discovery). Next question? Jrfw51 (talk) 18:47, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

The existing content already makes it clear that the proposed name change is coming from patient advocacy. The sentence you asked about adding back is "A global survey was conducted of PBC patients and healthcare providers, with the results overwhelmingly in favor of "primary biliary cholangitis" (as this preserved the PBC initials). ". (for which you provided no source) (and the source you provided above describes much more ....homely than the grand process you described - they used email chains and Facebook for pete's sake). In any case, the question I asked you is why the sausage-making described in that sentence matters. The existing content already makes it clear that the patients advocated for the name change, so your answer doesn't really speak to the question about why the details of the sausagemaking matters. Why does it matter? Jytdog (talk) 19:02, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

The point needs to be made why patients wanted the change (most do not have cirrhosis and want to avoid the negative connotations) and that surveys of patients and healthcare providers were conducted. The PBC Foundation press release gives a patient perspective on this but we probably should not use. The AASLD reference should have covered that. There was much more in my July 8 edit. Patients see this as important -- see the April 8 change [4], the June 9 change with my subsequent edits. [5] I am trying to balance these views. Jrfw51 (talk) 20:04, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

You are not answering why the sausage-making matters from a WP perspective - you don't seem to even see the question. So...it is clear by now that you are here to get content into Wikipedia that promotes the agenda of these advocacy groups. That is not OK. I am sorry you are not interested in becoming a Wikipedian. If you figure out what I even mean by that, I will be happy to work with you. But I have given you a bunch of my time already and I am not one to keep banging my head against the wall. Jytdog (talk) 20:20, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I think it is worth remembering that wikipedia isn't written for patients but for the general public. What patient/advocacy groups say isn't going to decide what wikipedia says, though their interests may be taken into account. Our policies generally encourage an entirely mainstream view which advocacy groups sometimes cannot understand. -Roxy the dog™ (Resonate) 12:07, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my error

I was a bit sloppy when I added the zeros and did 3 too few. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 18:36, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at it and fixing it up! Jytdog (talk) 18:50, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Tropinone

You have deleted valid content nothing to do with a sock puppet, please fix V8rik (talk) 17:30, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

this reverted content by an IP that is definitely a sock of Nuklear. this removed content added by Nuklear as Nuklear and serves as a magnet for him to come back and fuss with. If you want to revert either you are free to, but then you own it. Jytdog (talk) 17:38, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

• I have restored content. This content can be attributed to credible users. V8rik (talk) 10:15, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Richmond Pharmacology

Let me know if you think it needs protection. Deb (talk) 15:26, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Deb, since they have come back a second time, that would be great, thanks. Jytdog (talk) 17:46, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I see someone beat me to it! Deb (talk) 07:27, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes things got a bit hairy today. thanks for being willing! Jytdog (talk) 07:31, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Edit war notice

Please discuss the proposed edits per WP:BRD.

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Glyphosate. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. SageRad (talk) 16:11, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Obstetrics and Midwifery

Hey Jytdog, I just wanted to thank you for doing all that work splitting Obstetrics and Midwifery, and for doing it so quickly. That was one of the messiest RMs I've ever closed, and I go back a while. I think the 'pedia's in a much better place thanks to your efforts.--Cúchullain ^t/c 17:06, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for closing that messy RM! Sorry for the big gap from when I started to when I finished.. got called into a meeting. Jytdog (talk) 17:20, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Si mi amigos pero (that is a hint and most likely not spelled right or perhaps not even the right words...) is not something missing from the OB article? :D Gandydancer (talk) 17:57, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Nuklear

Am looking at more mechanisms to address [6] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:31, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Your additional comments are very useful. They can take them into account. Some but perhaps not all of the things you mention Atsme has owned up to elsewhere on the page. I'm just stopping by to let you know that there's nothing personal.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 15:56, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

K, thanks. Jytdog (talk) 16:03, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

About changes to "major depressive diorder" page

Hello Jytdog

I have made an addition to the "major depressive disorder" page which was not accepted. I wonder why. Not mentioning sleep deprivation and phase advance as treatment options for depression is an unfortuate omission which betrays a serious lack of knowledge. There is an increasing awareness among researchers that sleep abnormalities play a central, some say causative, role in the emergence of depression and that knowledge should be mirrored in the page in question (which otherwise seems good). Sleep deprivation is the only known method that can lead to immediate remission of depression with a single treatment! Not even intravenous ketamine/amphetamine or ECT can do that. True enough, the method has some drawbacks, like its difficulty of administration and relative obscurity, but it should still be mentioned. Further, the references I have added to the text are all respectable and upp to date.

It is true that I am not well versed in the advanced editing functions of Wikipedia. If I have done some procedural error (which I am sure I have) please let me know how I can correct it. I am already learning how to "talk" with other contributors on Wiki! The text I tried to enter in the page comes mostly from another wikipedia page with some additions of mine to make it fit in in the new context (is that allowable? I dont now). In any case, I attact the text below again. If you don't find it to much of a burden you may uppload it yourself according to all the rules of the book. The science in it is hard as a rock!

Best regards

Sleep deprivation and phase advance

Studies show that sleep restriction has some potential in the treatment of depression. Those who suffer from depression tend to have a differing sleep architecture than healthy subjects. For example, they have earlier occurrences of REM sleep (with an increased number of rapid eye movements) and a circadian shift of their sleeping cycle. Therefore, monitoring patients' EEG and awakening them during specific periods of their sleep cycle – usually during REM occurrence or during the second half of the night - appears to have a therapeutic effect, alleviating depressive symptoms (see cited references for protocols). As many as 60% of patients, when sleep-deprived, show immediate recovery, although most relapse the following night. The effect has been shown to be linked to increases in the brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF). It has been shown that chronotype is related to the effect of sleep deprivation on mood in normal people: those with morningness preference become more depressed following sleep deprivation while those with eveningness preference show an improvement in mood. A comprehensive evaluation of the human metabolome in sleep deprivation in 2014 found that 27 metabolites are increased after 24 waking hours and suggested serotonin, tryptophan, and taurine may contribute to the antidepressive effect.

The incidence of relapse can be decreased by combining sleep deprivation with medication and/or "phase advance". Many tricyclic antidepressants suppress REM sleep, providing additional evidence for a link between mood and sleep. Similarly, tranylcypromine has been shown to completely suppress REM sleep at adequate doses. Phase advance is the procedure whereby a person goes to bed and wakes up substantially earlier than he usually does, for example at 20:000/04:00 instead of at 24:00/08:00. This procedure has a well-documented antidepressive effect.

References

Thanks for talking! But this content is being discussed on the talk page of that article - see Talk:Major depressive disorder - and that is where this belongs. Jytdog (talk) 09:39, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Atsme's page

Jytdog, I agree with Serialjoepsycho above that you've made some useful comments on Atsme's page, but please stop posting now. You realize that a blocked user is confined to their talkpage, and therefore you have to be extra careful of poking or the appearance thereof. If you want to have a flame war an argument with GregJackP, do it somewhere else. Bishonen | talk 15:59, 9 August 2015 (UTC).