Talk:The Holocaust

Holocaustic?

The Holocaustic? Is that even a word? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:8C00:EE:5D18:D9F2:629B:2D69 (talk) 05:17, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

No, why? --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 19:53, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

It is on the search bar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:8C00:EE:5D18:D9F2:629B:2D69 (talk) 02:26, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Perpetrators

The second paragraph states: "Between 100,000 and 500,000 people were direct participants in the planning and execution of the Holocaust.” Reference is to: Radcliff, Pamela. "Interpreting the 20th Century: The Struggle Over Democracy" (PDF). Chantilly, Virginia: The Great Courses. pp. 104–107. This turns out be be from a course outline without any other reference.

Perhaps the latest reference to the number of perpetrators gives an estimate of "200,000 Holocaust perpetrators” (reported in Dan Stone p. 109)

If there is no opposition, I propose to change the figures and reference in the next couple of days. Joel Mc (talk) 11:01, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

References

"54% Protestant, 40% Catholic, 3.5% Deists... 1.5% irreligious"

Protestants and Catholics are Christians. Huritisho 18:18, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

This data about German, Not about Nazis. I don't think that all German been part of Holocaust. The user is been pushing propaganda here as cliaming Nazi is a Christian terrorism. What nazi done was not in name of Christianity, The Category:Persecution by Christians it's include only vicitoms who killed by christians in the name of Christianity. Not for other purpose .--Jobas (talk) 18:25, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

@Jobas: "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people." - Adolf Hitler. Kⁿo_wl^ed_ge B^at_tl^e 18:26, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Who do you think the Nazis were? Americans? Jews? Chinese? Kⁿo_wl^ed_ge B^at_tl^e 18:26, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Nazis could be Lutherans, Calvinists, Catholics or atheists. Most importantly, it violates synthesis to combine to conclude they are Christian terrorists - that conclusion must be found in sources. Please do not revert back until you have consensus

it's been revort your edit here too [1].--Jobas (talk) 18:29, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

@Jobas: Don't you think that a small percentage of the Islamic terrorists are perhaps nonbelievers, but don't tell the people around them? Statistically, this is highly probable. However, considering what's driving them - Islamic terrorism - we call it "persecution by Muslims". Similarly, "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity" means that Christians were running the show. They were doing the persecuting. Atheists had no voice in Nazi Germany. If they did, they probably would have said, "Ok, we understand that Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism, was vehemently anti-Semetic, but... why should we hate Jews? As Atheists, we have no reason to hate Jews." Probably would have said that. But Christians don't listen to the rational reason of Atheists, because "the fool says in his heart, 'there is no god'." Christians wouldn't have listened to the "don't hate" logic in Nazi German, even if Atheists did have a voice. Kⁿo_wl^ed_ge B^at_tl^e 18:42, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Agian When Nazi killed the different ethnic groups and the Jewish in particolar they did not killed in name of Jesus or Christianity, and they did not use the bible to justify their actions. It's your perosnal opinion that Nazi are Christian terrorism group.--Jobas (talk) 18:47, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2015

Please replace all uses of archaic and inappropriate English colloquial expression "whilst" with "while.

168.103.251.57 (talk) 23:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

indeed, "while" seems better than "whilst". I'll change that. If anyone disagrees, revert me and come here discuss Huritisho 23:07, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Wait – I just searched the article and the world "whilst" isn't used. Case closed. Huritisho 00:10, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Whilst is in modern usage, but it's a matter of which variant of English the article is using. Is the article consistently using American English elsewhere? If not, there's no need to change this. —C.Fred (talk) 00:48, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Unreliable and imprecise refs in first para

The French reference is not a reliable source and out of date. Hodapp is not a reliable source re: Holocaust (perhaps it is ok for masonic issues). I can find no mention of the 17 million figure in Hilberg or Gilbert. Difficult to check Gutmann without any page numbers. On the whole such references are not very useful without page numbers.Joel Mc (talk) 11:23, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2015

Since the majority of the victims of the Holocaust were Yiddish speakers, the Yiddish name should be included alongside the English and Hebrew ones. This name is "חורבן" (Khurbn), or 'ruination'. See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Holocaust for citation.

The Holocaust (from the Greek ὁλόκαυστος holókaustos: hólos, "whole" and kaustós, "burnt"),[2] also known as the Shoah (Hebrew: השואה, HaShoah, "the catastrophe"), or the Khurbn (Yiddish: חורבן, "the ruination"). 73.153.43.128 (talk) 03:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)