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This section could definitely stand to get a once-over by an experienced editor. I corrected what I knew that I could but there are still sections like this,

> The other miracles, like changing a basket of fruit into precious stones and jewels of a fruit vendor due to her offering of fruit to the Lord for her love for the godchild, are well known.

> Even though he is doing battle with the serpent, he is in no real danger and treats it like a game.

Though I feel comfortable making black-and-white edits including spell checking and typography errors, I suggest that someone review the article for sentence structure and readability.

208.49.93.2 (talk) 14:02, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Later life

is there any verifiable basis for Gandhari's curse? If so, why does the later life not talk about this? 98.206.68.196 (talk)tkul....

Krishna belonged to Abhira (Ahir) Tribe.

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=P3uD22Ghqs4C&pg=PA197&dq=krishna+was+abhira&hl=en&ei=NTuQTdpSwp1xxJTVlQo&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=krishna%20was%20abhira&f=false

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Epilogue of Mahabharata http://books.google.co.in/books?id=fmzXAAAAMAAJ&q=krishna+was+abhira&dq=krishna+was+abhira&hl=en&ei=NTuQTdpSwp1xxJTVlQo&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBA

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=voLXAAAAMAAJ&q=krishna+was+abhira&dq=krishna+was+abhira&hl=en&ei=NTuQTdpSwp1xxJTVlQo&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFQQ6AEwCA Krishna Leela theme in Rajasthani miniatures

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=aD2QTbWFJcLMcL7FnYYK&ct=result&id=qZvWAAAAMAAJ&dq=krishna+was+abhira&q=abhira http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=aD2QTbWFJcLMcL7FnYYK&ct=result&id=qZvWAAAAMAAJ&dq=krishna+was+abhira&q=abhiras Hinduism and Buddhism: an historical sketch, Volume 1 By Sir Charles Eliot

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=kMnOBpUy7P4C&pg=PA158&dq=krishna+was+abhira&hl=en&ei=aD2QTbWFJcLMcL7FnYYK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBTgU#v=onepage&q&f=false Hindu Gods and Heroes http://books.google.co.in/books?id=_r1buuxthXoC&pg=PA97&dq=krishna+was+abhira&hl=en&ei=VD-QTZagH8qycMXUmYsK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwADge#v=onepage&q=krishna%20was%20abhira&f=false

Ahir king Nand Baba and Vasudeva were brothers.

The cattle and the stick: an ethnographic profile of the Raut of Chhattisgarh

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=VD-QTZagH8qycMXUmYsK&ct=result&id=wT-BAAAAMAAJ&dq=krishna+was+abhira&q=yaduvansi

"Birthdate" and "historicity"

The article contained speculations about a proposed "birthdate" and about a proposed identification of Krishna with Vasudeva Govinda Krishna, in the lead, the "Birth"-section, and a "Historicity and evidence"-section. I've made the following changes diff:

Lead: moved the identification with Vasudeva Govinda Krishna to the end of the lead; added the mentioning of seceral proposed birth-dates;
"Birth"-section: moved

"Based on scriptural details and astrological calculations, the date of Krishna's birth, known as Janmashtami,^[1] is 21 February 3228 BCE."

and the accompanying note to the final section of the article, and copy-edited it there. The sentence should be attributed, instead of pretending to present plain "fact." See also below, on presenting religious narrative as historical facts.

"Historicity and evidence"-section:

Renamed to "~~Speculative~~ Proposed datings"; of course we can argue about this header, but "Historicity and evidence" is plain wrong, when assuming a concrete birthdate for a deity who's narratives do not contain such a birthdate, as if he was a historical person. Keep religious narratives religious; when confusing them with fact-based history, religious narratives will enevitably become lose their value.
Merged the info in the note and the info in this section on the proposed birthdates; there were several doublures.
Merged and copy-edited th einfo on the identification with Vasudeva Govinda Krishna.

Unfortunately, my edits were undone, with the edit-summary

"remove new inserted dating section, dating mentioned once already". I fail to understand this rationale; it is incorrect, since the info was not new, but a grouping together of info which was already there. And it duplicates and scatters the info on the birthdate again. The same edit added one of those proposed birthdates to the infobox, without any reference or presenting the context (which was removed). It also removed sourced info from the lead, and the mentioning of the lst section.

Finally, this edit also changed "Eighth and complete avatar of Vishnu or Svayam Bhagavan" into "ninth and complete avatar of Vishnu or Svayam Bhagavan". There are, of course, several lists, but there is long-standing concencus at the Dashavatara that Krishna is the eight avatar. All in all, this edit was not an improvement.

References

^ Knott, Kim (2000). Hinduism: A Very Short Introduction. Oxford University Press, USA. p. 160. ISBN 0-19-285387-2.

Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 10:04, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

All Hinduism pages suffer from intense POV pushing and half-baked ideas. Thanks a lot for making an effort to clean this one up. You have my support. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:18, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Joshua Jonathan: Indeed, this article needs serious cleanup and surgery. The article has been tagged for a while. Blogs and websites such as drikpanchang.com are non-WP:RS. Even the source cited above is puzzling, because there is no page 160 in that Knott's book (I see it was cited by someone before @JJ began his edits, fwiw, the Appendix starts on page 111 and Index on page 133; Krishna is mentioned a bit on pages 30-37 and 50-55, and occasionally elsewhere, but I see no support for 3228 BCE or astrological calculations in that book). I urge a serious check of the sources for quality, and actual verification. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:23, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Kautilya3 and Ms Sarh Welch: just like the Vaishnavism, this article tells very little, almost close to nothing, about the history of Krishna-religiosity. Isn't that strange? If I understand correctly, it's an amalgam of (Yujur) Vedic Narayana and local deities like Krishna, which rose to prominence in the Mahabaratha? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:31, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Childhood and Youth ==
+This section could definitely stand to get a once-over by an experienced editor. I corrected what I knew that I could but there are still sections like this,
+> The other miracles, like changing a basket of fruit into precious stones and jewels of a fruit vendor due to her offering of fruit to the Lord for her love for the godchild, are well known.
+> Even though he is doing battle with the serpent, he is in no real danger and treats it like a game.
+Though I feel comfortable making black-and-white edits including spell checking and typography errors, I suggest that someone review the article for sentence structure and readability.
+[[Special:Contributions/208.49.93.2|208.49.93.2]] ([[User talk:208.49.93.2|talk]]) 14:02, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 == Later life ==