Talk:Melania Trump

First to Speak English as a Second Language?

I thought Hannah Van Buren, like her husband, had Dutch as her mother tongue. Can someone verify this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.138.246 (talk) 22:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

This doesn't matter here because she died before her husband became President. She wasn't a FLOTUS. --Klaus Frisch (talk) 22:57, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Very doubtful that English is Melania's second language. If it's known fact that English is her second language, the claim needs a clear authoritative source. Otherwise, the claim needs to be reworded to factual, such as "the first to not speak English as her first language." 96.42.57.164 (talk) 15:18, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

As suspected, English was not her second language. According to the article in Marie Claire, "English is not Melania's first language. In fact, it's actually her fifth". I'll clean up the text. 96.42.57.164 (talk) 22:38, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

No, I won't correct the text. Someone has taken it upon him/herself to lock it, so the inaccuracy that English is Melania's second language is enshrined in the article until someone with access takes the trouble to change it. What the goal is of freezing in inaccuracies is beyond me, folks. 96.42.57.164 (talk) 22:48, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm going to change it to "the first for whom English is not her first language". --MelanieN (talk) 03:42, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Religion in infobox

Due to Melania's Catholicism being relevant enough to be included in the main article, I think it should be included in the infobox. Volvlogia (talk) 18:12, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

I'd lean towards no, given the current lack of relevancy which her faith has to both her general notability and the overall content of this article. That said, this is admittedly a borderline case. The relative rarity of Catholic First Ladies (and of First Ladies whose religion differs from that of their husbands even to the extent of straddling the protestant/catholic divide) arguably makes this more relevant than the factoid appears at first blush, even when we consider that Mrs. Trump kept this information under wraps until relatively recently, and we don't have a whole lot of sourcing to suggest that this is an important part of her image, notability, or personal make-up. On the overall balance, I'd suggest her religious affiliation is probably not relevant enough to be wedged into an already busy infobox at this time, but it wouldn't take much more in terms of future developments in coverage of her religious views to tip the balance. Snow ^{let's rap} 20:40, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

No – Site-wide guidelines discourage mentioning religion in infoboxes, unless the subject is a member of a religious order or is involved in religious discourse. Melania Trump is neither, so that her personal religious upbringing amounts to trivia. — JFG ^talk 21:21, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

She was allegedly baptised in the Catholic Church but she has never said she is still Catholic. Media (especially Italian media) started spreading that she is a Catholic as a proven fact just because she was dressed black and she acted ceremoniously when she met with the pope, but this behaviour does not prove that she is a believer in the Catholic Church. She would have adopted appropriate etiquette meeting with any other religious authority.--82.53.211.108 (talk) 13:21, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Birther comments

Can someone add in a section covering Melania Trump's birther and racist views of Obama.

Includes interview with Joy Behar in 2011??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSTx1ZODEcQ

This is clearly quite important historically, given that she has not spoken out on other occasions.

It shows she has not been apolitical.

So why is this not in the profile?? Is there a reason that this has not been included on the profile, is it too controversial for Wikipedia, or are there special rules for First Ladies? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.189.213.131 (talk) 18:38, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Plenty of sources and video, and worth compiling for historical context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.189.213.131 (talk) 18:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

This was extensively discussed in June 2017, see Talk:Melania Trump/Archive 5#That the First Lady of the United States took to the public stage to promote birther conspiracies is notable enough for inclusion. There was no formal consensus about whether to include it in the article. The discussion kind of wound down, with four in favor of including it and five opposed. --MelanieN (talk) 19:40, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

That is ridiculous, who were the four versus the five. It is clearly a major element in her profile, when she was very political. Compare and contrast with Rosalyn Carter profiles - she sat in Carter cabinet meetings, and that is important historically.

Would you decide to leave out the battle of Stalingrad in a World War II profile, on the same basis. That is not rigiorous enough.

Who is Hank Siemers??

Who is Hank Siemers?? Why is there lots of gossip on the web about this.

Are there any good sources on this, or just hearsay?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.189.213.131 (talk) 18:35, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Do you want to make it clearer what you are talking about? --MelanieN (talk) 19:42, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Birther comments about Obama....

Birther comments about Obama....needs to be added into the political section, at some point, when this page becomes fair and balanced at some stage in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.104.114 (talk) 16:35, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Birther background and history, and Melania Trump's minor role

http://nypost.com/2017/08/06/senator-says-gop-should-have-shut-down-birther-movement/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.32.138 (talk) 10:57, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Can someone add in a section on the history of Birtherism, why it happened, set in context.

Then can someone try and work out why Melania Trump agreed to get involved supporting Birtherism in public statements.

Is there some connection in her family history that would explain it, etc etc. Is there a history of racism in her family background in Slovenia?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.32.138 (talk) 10:55, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

No and no. This 2011 story was abundantly discussed at Talk:Melania Trump/Archive 5#That the First Lady of the United States took to the public stage to promote birther conspiracies is notable enough for inclusion. Editors found no consensus to include Melania Trump's comments during the Joy Behar interview. No further cases of "birtherism" or alleged racism were reported in WP:RS. — JFG ^talk 03:38, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

This has come up three times in the past two weeks. Is there some off-wiki site urging people to do this? --MelanieN (talk) 03:45, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

I doubt it. Could be some fringe blog or forum, no idea where to look. Or probably just the tabloid press clickbaiting away… — JFG ^talk 07:19, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

@MelanieN: And it goes on… Perhaps these reddit threads? [1][2] — JFG ^talk 14:02, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Has Melania Trump ever retracted her racist birther views?

Has Melania Trump ever retracted her racist birther views?

If not, why not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.146.243.202 (talk) 16:52, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

In addition, Jeff Flake has spoken out about Melania and Donald Trump, for their racist birther views.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/flake-trump_us_59873576e4b041356ec07163

Can someone also compare and contrast Melania Trump's racist birther comments, against events in Charlotsville? Any time that First Ladies get involved in politics - what ever you think about it - negative or positive - either birther comments, or condeming violence, worth mention in persons profile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.32.138 (talk) 11:31, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Hypocrisy of Melania Trump

I know whoever controls this page will not let any mention of Melania Trump's racist birther comments will not let it be included in her profile just yet, but for historical purposes the fact that she is now making comments about bigotry needs to be included.

Plus how does "hate in your hearts" compare to racist birther comments?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.32.138 (talk) 11:58, 14 August 2017 (UTC) 

Context of Birther headlines

I think it is clear that this wiki page needs to be more balanced.

It is always interesting to see when First Ladies have got involved politically.

For example, when Rosalyn Carter insisted on sitting in on President Carter's Full Cabinet Meetings - something that we look back at today, as quite odd.

The same is true for Hillary Clinton - she was involved in trying to craft a Healthcare Law during the Presidency of Bill Clinton.

So, I think that there has to be a view that given First Lady Melania Trump was involved in the birther movement, it is worth adding into her profile.

I will accept that whilst the page is controlled by Melania Trump fans at the moment - but in the long run, for historical purposes, the birther comments will make it onto the main page for Melania Trump - under a controversy section.