Talk:Wii/Archive 20

Archives

Requested Move to Nintendo Wii (17th-22nd May 2006 - consensus: Not Moved) Archive 1 (May 2005 - July 2005) Archive 2 (July 2005 - September 2005) Archive 3 (September 2005 - December 2005) Archive 4 (December 2005 - March 2006) Archive 5 (March 2006 - April 2006) Archive 6 (April 2006) Archive 7 (Pre-E3 2006) Archive 8 (E3 2006) Archive 9 (Post E3 2006 up to 20th May 2006) Archive 10 (20th May 2006 - 31st May 2006) Archive 11 (June 2006) Archive 12 (July 2006) Archive 13 (August 2006) Archive 14 (Sept 1st 2006 - Sept 13 2006) Archive 15 (Sept 14th 2006 - Sept 30 2006)

Common Questions & Answers

Please do not start a new section for any of these topics, they have been discussed ad nauseum and the consensus is:

"Wii" vs. "Nintendo Wii"?

It's just "Wii". See the Talk archives (pages 6 thru 10) and the separately archived survey for details.

Definitely should be "Nintendo Wii". 71.0.171.222 22:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Look at the archives. It's just "Wii", even Nintendo just calls it "Wii" (and not "Nintendo Wii"). TJ Spyke 22:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Its Wii. Nintendo strictly says that. WiiVolve 09:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

"Wii" vs. "The Wii"?

Depends on the context you're using it in. Some people prefer to say "Wii" (like a proper noun), others prefer to say the "Wii" (like a common noun). Just don't pick a fight over it -- the Wii article is already mentioned in Wikipedia's Lamest Edit Wars ever.

I know I'm not supposed to bring this up, but the fact is, in normal conversation, no one uses "Wii" as a proper noun. It just doesn't parse. I know Nintendo wants everyone to do it that way, but I think that in a case where common usage conflicts with Nintendo's style guide, to cater to Nintendo's desired usage violates NPOV. MrVoluntarist 13:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with MrVoluntarist. The opening sentence of this article should be "The Wii is..." not "Wii is..." You don't see "PlayStation 3 is..." you see "The PlayStation 3 is..." --Tristam 16:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

To that point, I distincly recall that Reggie fellow (CEO of Nintendo of America) using "the Wii" to refer to the console in the latest press conferences and interviews. I can pull up specific examples if need be, but the "drop the the" thing seems to be limited to some silly campaign around E3 when the name was revealed. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 17:32, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

All excellent points. I am going to add the preceding "the" article in the introduction. We should be following proper grammar, not PR campaigns. EDIT: Perhaps I won't after reading the commented out warning in the code. Why are we modifying grammar because Nintendo says so? Sorry guys, it really isn't up to them if "the" precedes Wii. I have no problem with their quirky campaign; I'll be buying a Wii myself on launch date. Can we exercise some greater professionalism here? --Tristam 18:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo's preferred style does not obligate us to use it, anymore than a company can dictate the pronoun you use to refer to the system. I'd like to hear some more comments from people who support following Nintendo's style. (And, like Tristam, I'm planning to get a Wii, don't accuse me of anti-Nintendo bias.) MrVoluntarist 18:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with MrVoluntarist too. It's common for console names to become not quite genericized, but diluted to the point where they are used as common nouns rather than proper trademark names. I remember mentioning this during the The debate, provoking someone else to suddenly go and remove all the "The"s from just about every videogame console article on here (followed almost as promptly by several reverts). --Stratadrake 15:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Proper grammar

Wii is a proper noun, but that does not mean it is exempt from proper grammar. Preceding articles such as "the" and "a" should be added, because grammar conforms to commonly accepted standards in the English language, not to Nintendo's PR campaign. As I state below, I am buying a Wii at launch. Can we exercise professionalism rather than fanboyism? --Tristam 03:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Proper grammar takes precedence over a company's PR efforts. I plan on purchasing a Wii and at least attempting to continue using proper grammar.Kedlav 11:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Interesting way to move this argument under that banner (which I edited). What makes you think that a proper noun can't be preceded by an article? Is the Panama Canal no longer a proper noun? --Tristam 00:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Good grief. I was lazy, and didn't care enough to phrase and word things properly. The heading was just to separate your comments from the discussion about the "criticisms" section, because they're not related. Look, from what I can see with a quick look at the recent discussion, noone's disputing your proposed changes. Just go ahead and make the changes once the article is unprotected. You certainly had the opportunity the other times you commented on the issue. There isn't much point in voicing the same complaint over and over again when there isn't any active opposition. Heck, it's minor enough. If you can't wait for the protection to be lifted, you can detail the specific changes you want right here, then can flag your suggestion with an {{editprotected}} template. Dancter 04:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I jumped like that (by the way, the "you" didn't refer to you specifically; I didn't even look at who moved the text anyways). Actually, I think an edit war would inevitably follow my proposed changes. No one has disputed my claims because, quite frankly, they're grammatically correct. There are only sly, roundabout comments that "Well, NINTENDO confirmed that it's not the Wii, so..." Which, of course, completely ignores the issue at hand, because the point is that Nintendo doesn't decide grammatical rules. The other problem I have with carrying out my changes is the all-caps notice plastered at the top of the page: "DISCUSSIONS IN THE DISCUSSION SECTION HAVE DECIDED TO NAME THE CONSOLE "Wii", NOT "The Wii". PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE IT TO "The Wii"." So far, the only people that have responded have given support for changing to a grammatically correct style. If I don't see any legitimate opposition within the next few days, then I will take your suggestion and implement the changes. --Tristam 15:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it would make more sense to replace "the Wii" with "the Wii console" or "the console". "Wii" itself doesn't have to be used as often in an article specifically documenting it. Just64helpin 20:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem with mentioning "the Wii," but you are right in that substituting the phrase with "the console" will add flavor and reduce redundancy. --Tristam 22:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

"Wee" (as in urine) ?

No. There is no need to mention it in the article. We actually took a survey on this question, see archive #14 for details.

Thats not Funny do Not Speak like that (I love entei 21:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC))

? The Wikipedia is not censored. Sorry. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 21:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

There's a difference between censoring the article and not filling it with stupid crap.--Agent Aquamarine 22:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Agent Auqamarine What are you Saying? (I love entei 23:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC))

I've presumed that I love entei was responding directly to this FAQ question, not the the nuts who keep perpetuating it. Of course, I can't really tell. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 22:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I was speaking to Consumed Crustacean, who I thought meant that he should be allowed to talk about the fact that is sounds like "Wee" because Wikipedia isn't censored. Obviously, this wasn't the case, although I'm still not entirely sure what he meant.--Agent Aquamarine 23:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure either. I assumed that the user took offence at the FAQ question itself. After some communication, I think that's sort of the case. This has all been very confusing :P -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 23:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Better rephrase it, then. The survey consensus (from archive #14) was about mentioning the "Wee" reference in the article and not just in general. --Stratadrake 00:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Phonetic similarities

Please link the phonetic similarities from the article:

or even made fun of the name for its phonetic similarities to words in English and French.

Please replace this with the following:

or even made fun of the name for its phonetic similarities to words in English (see Wee) and French (see oui in Wiktionary).

--Damian Yerrick (☎) 18:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The segment does not appear to be tagged for a citation, so it should be deleted outright. Just64helpin 20:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: Now it is. The reference wasn't as clear as when I first read the section. Just64helpin 17:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

It was there all along, and I do think that putting a reference for every single statement is overkill. Imagine if you got three citations to the same place when you were listing off the system dimensions. Just plain silly. Regardless I'll let it slide, just please, don't EVER suggest to delete something the moment you see it doesn't have a little superscript reference number right next to it. You'll get people upset by suggesting their contributions aren't worth keeping, even if it's just because you didn't look closely enough at the citations. --Twile 21:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Then please add a citation.[1][2] --Damian Yerrick (☎) 00:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

It was also decided that "Wee" not be mentioned in the article (right here if you can't find it). Just64helpin 14:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Ugh, don't get me started again. This was brought up many times, only one of which I was involved for. The final "vote" was a silly one-sided slam-fest which went on for less than 24 hours, during which I wasn't even able to put my thoughts in. I worked rather hard to produce something that was a compromise between being respectful to Nintendo, unoffensive to readers, had citations from reliable sources, and was respectful to gamers (i.e. NOT acting like everyone was happy as can be about the name). As for your earlier comment about deleting from no citations, STFU. Just STFU. I've earned the right to say that to you because I did make sure there were citations. Take a look at the Gamasutra article. See the first sentence? It mentions urine references. Now search the page for the word "French", and *gasp* it says "Of course, it also sounds like the French word for "yes," "oui" ". And if the first part with the urine reference isn't good enough, look right below this bit about the "oui" and what do you know, it actually uses the word "wee". You, madam/sir, are wrong on both counts, and the citations are right in front of your face. Drop this here and now. --Twile 18:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Drop what, exactly? I was merely making a suggestion. Just64helpin 21:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Release Date & Price Table

I've made a table with the release date and price for the Wii in it's various regions. It is simpler and easier to read than the previous one. If I've forgotten or omitted anything feel free to add it back in. I've put a copy of it below for reference too;ItIsMe 02:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Release date and suggested retail price by region*

Region	Expected pricing at release		Release date
	Release Price	USD Equivalent
Japan	JP¥25,000[3]	$213	December 2 2006
United States	US$249.99[4]	$249.99	November 19 2006
Canada	C$279.99	$250
Mexico	-	-
Eurozone	€249	$314	December 8 2006
United Kingdom	GB£179	$336
Australia	AUD$399	$301	December 7 2006
New Zealand	-	-

* Wii Sports comes packaged with the console in all regions excluding Japan.

The Wii comes out in Mexico on November 19th as well. I don't think they said the price for Mexico though.TJ Spyke 02:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I've edited the table accordingly. ItIsMe 02:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

old or new table?

wikipedian ItIsMe changed the price table on the article. i reverted it because not only was alot of infomation was removed, the old table looked better and fitted better into the article. What do you think? dposse 02:19, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Although I am the person who made the new table (so don't flame me for liking it better) the point of making it was to have a simpler table, without information that has already been stated in the article and to have a slightly larger font and flag images to make it more user-friendly. If anything has been omitted (which would not have been done on purpose) than feel free to add it back in.ItIsMe 02:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Although the accessory prices have already been placed in the article I have updated the new table with them. I've placed it below;ItIsMe 04:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Release date and suggested retail price by region*

Region	Expected pricing at release		Release date	Accessories
	Release Price	USD Equivalent		Wii Remote	Nunchuk	Classic Controller
Japan	JP¥25,000[5]	$213	December 2 2006	¥3,800	¥1,800	¥1,800
United States	US$249.99[6]	$249.99	November 19 2006	$39.99	$19.99	$19.99
Canada	C$279.99	$250		-	-	-
Mexico	-	-		-	-	-
Eurozone	€249	$314	December 8 2006	€39.99	€19.99	€19.99
United Kingdom	GB£179	$336		£29.99	£14.99	£14.99
Australia	AUD$399	$301	December 7 2006	-	-	-
New Zealand	-	-		-	-	-

* Wii Sports comes packaged with the console in all regions excluding Japan.

I like it, I would recommend listing them in the order they release date(meaning US/Can/Mex first, then Japan, etc.) TJ Spyke 04:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I've rearranged the table as you recommended but I'll leave the original one in the talk section (just above). ItIsMe 04:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

For the sake of accuracy I think we need to either a) change the title of the table to remove the "sugggested" part, or b) somehow identify the European and UK prices as "estimated" rather than "suggested". "Estimated" is Nintendo's description of them here because in many territories setting or suggesting a resale price is not permitted. Dpmarshall 10:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Some of the prices already include VAT/Sales Tax, some don't include it. This renders the USD comparison highly misleading. Shouldn't sales taxes and VAT be excluded from the USD equivalent prices? Dpmarshall 11:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I understand your reason for creating. However, i disagree with making it simpler. Sure, the infomation is in the article already, but the table gives a clear summary of what each region has or does not have. I really think that the old table works much better in this article. Will you please consider changing it back? dposse 14:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I have tried to remove the sales taxes from those prices that already include them twice now. And each time it has been reverted. As some of the listed prices don't include sales taxes but will have it added at the checkout, the USD equivalent column of this table is very misleading. For the sake of consistency, either include them in all USD equivalent prices (difficult in the US), or exclude them in all USD equivalent prices (very easy). Can we reach a consesus on this in order to render it a fair comparison across territories? Dpmarshall 20:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't help that they aren't explaining why they're reverting your changes. I for one am in favor of clarifying the issue of pre-factored taxes, but more should probably be done to show what exactly is being done to the prices. Perhaps it may be a good compromise to keep the direct conversion, but add parenthetical notes to indicate the included taxes, like what is currently shown in comments. Just a thought. Dancter 22:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion Dancter - it sounds like a good way forward. I'll add them in paretheses with an appropriate footnote. Dpmarshall 17:55, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd have to say that removing relevant taxes does not help in the least. Given that GST, VAT, and sales tax is standard in those areas where it applies, it's something any consumer must take into account. It's also something the manufacturer takes into account when they set a price. I just wonder how it can be a fair comparison if it doesn't compare the actual prices that the units will sell for. If anything, it seems needlessly sympathetic to Nintendo. Perhaps if we instead add asterisked footnotes etc for each entry that includes a tax, specifying "incl 10% GST." If nothing else, people will stop trying to change it to the price they just saw in a catalogue, which is evidentally what's happening. El Castro 09:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

My bad. I didn't realise you'd given US-equiv values both with and without tax, and after realising that, the information given is as complete as you could want it.

What does the {} beside the price for Republic of Ireland refer to? €266{} I can't see any legend for this {} and it wasn't there previously? 58.28.150.139 05:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Is there a reason behind including the "USD Equivalent" on every line? Just curious, to me it doesn't seem neccesary. Danny 17:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I suppose it's just to give an even comparison of what people are paying in various places. Nintendo probably bases a lot of their decisions around the USD. You could just as well use British pounds, I supposed. If you want to make it neutral, I supposed you could do ounces of gold. That'll go over well! MrVoluntarist 18:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

The USD is the most common currency, many countries accept it and many use it as a base of comparison. TJ Spyke 20:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, most of us in non-US territories are comparing our regional pricing with that of the US to determine what additional cost we are paying for having the machine brought into our countries. Drahmad 02:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

How many countries should be represented on this table? Every country in the world? The table appears "over-full" at the moment. Suggestions? Drahmad 07:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes Every Country should be included, who is and is not important is not for us to decide and The Euro is used by the most people and countries (dont forget about the prospective countries...)Owwmykneecap 22:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

New site

I think we should add http://brokencontrollers.com/ to the unoffical coverage section, they always have up todate news on the Nintendo Wii. PeeeU 04:05, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree, I go there every day to stay up-to-date on the latest video gaming news, not to mention they have awesome forums, too. Chocoman 02:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

A new user just "happens" to agree with another new user that a completely unknown site should be added to the article? I don't think so... --Ritarri 15:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Just two brand new editors, no. Jaxad0127 16:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

A great site. Its my homepage and #1 source of Nintendo information. Plus, the forums are excellent. This site deserves at least a look. --TannerH 20:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

That is another new user, he just created his account 10 minutes ago. TJ Spyke 20:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Can someone report them? Jaxad0127 01:47, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets? We could just, you know, ignore this blatent foolishness. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 01:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Let me ask you something. Did you guys even go to the website and see what they had to offfer? PeeeU 03:38, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I have. The ten Wii news stories on the Wii News page are all links to or copies of content from other sites. It really doesn't add anything. --Maxamegalon2000 03:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Alright you are right on that one, altough Thewiire.com does basicly the same thing and yet it is on the Unoffical Coverage section.

PeeeU 03:58, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

That site is just like hundreds of others with Wii news. What makes it different? Jaxad0127 04:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Dude BrokenConrollers has everything, take it from me I work there. They have the latest Wii news.Teej11 23:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Uh...WP:VAIN. Jaxad0127 00:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Launch window games

Perhaps we should get rid of this section. All we really need are the launch games, and the section could get way too long if every game coming until between launch and March 2007 is added. TJ Spyke 04:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

See here for an archived discussion and here for a poll in the Xbox 360 article about which games to include in the hardware section, which can be used as precedent. -- ReyBrujo 04:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree, anyways in the Nintendo Power Issue 209, it gives a different list of the launch window titles.

The Ant Bully, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Barnyard, Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII, Call of Duty 3, Cars, Chicken Little: Ace in Action, Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2, Elebits, Excite Truck, Far Cry Vengeance, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, GT Pro Series, Happy Feet, Ice Age 2, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Madden NFL 07, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Metal Slug Anthology, Monster 4×4 World Circuit, Need for Speed: Carbon, Open Season, Rampage: Total Destruction, Rapala Tournament Fishing, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Red Steel, SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz, Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell Double Agent, Tony Hawk’s Downhill Jam, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Wii Sports and World Series of Poker.

Source: GoNintendo

So shouldn't we use this list? --70.48.222.193 03:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I think we should just get rid of the "launch window" games list and just keep the launch games. Most people would come wanting to know what games are coming out at launch more than what's coming out 2 months after launch, that is what the List of Wii games is for. TJ Spyke 03:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of games, did you guys know that Nintendo will be holding a Nintendo Fusion Tour? To comemorate the Wii's launch. It's true. Starting on the 27th. The Nintendo Fusion Tour will be making stops in over 35 cities in the U.S. Fans will get to play some of the future titles that will release in Wii. Which punk-pop group; Hawthorne Heights will be headligning the tour. --Zeta26 21:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo announced the tour several months ago. TJ Spyke 05:03, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Vote

Type Keep if you would like to keep this section. Type Remove if you would like to remove this section. Add a small comment on why if you would like.

Remove it is just pointless to have launch window games on the main page... list of popular franchises is way more important. If we re-add the popular franchise section I might be moved to keep this section as well. --DivineShadow218 20:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Remove It is pointless. The list will just keep growing. I think we should add a link to the list of Wii games page. Uturnaroun 14:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Remove This list could become ridiculously long. Just stick to the launch games. Master Strike 19:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

RemoveAgree with Uturnaroun. --Farquaadhnchmn 21:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Remove Way too long, that's what the 'list of Wii games' is for. Launch DAY games only. Danny 22:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Remove Exactly what I think, Danny --Spiketmr 23:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Remove so get rid of all non-lauch day games, and put in a link to a page with them all on it as said before it will become massive. Shinigami Josh 05:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Remove The titles should be shifted to the article about Wii games and their release dates. Geekrecon 18:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Remove It's just better to have it in its own page 83.190.21.182 08:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Remove: I agree with DivineShadow218 and Uturnaroun Sasuke-kun27 11:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Remove Ajmayhew 10:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Remove You can put a list of "Upcoming Games" after it launches.NiVoMi 20:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Colombia price?

I am ignorant of the Colombian currency exchange rate, but I think someone added this for vandalization purposes:

Colombia COP$1,100,000[citation needed] $460 ($395†)

They say that's what the Wii will cost in Colombia. I highly doubt that it costs that much, so shouldn't this be removed?

http://www.google.com/search?&q=1100000+colombian+pesos+in+us+dollars 157.253.22.14 20:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I am too, that's ridiculously high, I doubt even the PS3 premium is that high in Colombia.--Signor 03:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

You doubt the PS3 will cost the USD equivalent of $460 in Columbia? I don't know if the Wii price is correct, but I doubt even the gimped PS3 would be that cheap. TJ Spyke 03:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

It seems that was added at this time: [7], and because he did not cite his source, I say that we remove it, however the IP address 157.253.22.14 is an address from within Santaf De Bogot, Distrito Capital, Colombia http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=157.253.22.14 so I doubt a person from colombia would vandalization about the pricing for his/her country, or would he/she? Logan GBA 14:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandals are weird. Maybe the person added this specific information because he or she figured it was more likely to be believed. Of course, maybe it's right too. Shrug. --Maxamegalon2000 16:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

ACTUALLY that is the REAL price of Wii at Nintendo Official Store in Bogotá. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.118.25.146 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Dolby Pro Logic II

Source: http://www.wiivolve.com/fullNews.php?newsId=20

Full article: Today Dolby Laboratories have announced that the Wii will use Dolby Pro Logic II technology to offer gamers an immersive surround sound experience. This basically means that you wont have full 5.1 Dolby Surround when playing Metroid Prime 3.

“The Wii console will break down the walls that separate gamers from everyone else” said Koji Kondo, Manager, Sound Group, Entertainment Analysis and Development Division at Nintendo “Sound is a key part of this equation and because Wii supports Dolby Pro Logic II surround sound technology, we think everyone can have a great audio experience.”

“Dolby Pro Logic II technology ensures that the Wii console can offer rich, immersive surround sound, which is essential to a great gaming experience,” said John Griffin, Marketing Director, Games, Dolby Laboratories. “We’re looking forward to hearing how great Nintendo’s games sound at launch.”

---

I think that this should be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WiiVolve (talk • contribs)

We've known for months it would use Pro Logic II, Dolby just announced this today. Also, using your own site for sources? Tsk. TJ Spyke 21:53, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I changed the link to point to the release posted at the Dolby website. There's no need to use a secondary source for the exact same content. Dancter 22:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I thought it was a conflicy of interest anyways, the guy used his own site for the link. TJ Spyke 22:03, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I wonder if Prologic II was chosen because of the slower CPU of the Wii compared to it's competitors, that way they can save all CPU resources for graphics and not worry too much about proccessing sound. Here what I found at the Dolby site :

"Dolby Pro Logic II also enables video game consoles to encode five-channel surround sound information into a stereo signal with virtually no impact on the console's CPU, which means all this extra audio won't slow your game down." http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/prologic_II.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.160.130.16 (talk • contribs) 23:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

This doesn't seem to pertain much to improving the article. Please refrain from using the talk page for idle chat. Dancter 23:44, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The reason I added the link is too show that the Wii may very well be able to offer full true 5.1 surround sound not just simulated 5.1 In other words, Prologic II decodes 5 independant surround sound channels(5.1) the game developers encoded in the Wii game. So, the begining statement about not being able to play Metroid Prime in full 5.1 may be flawed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.160.130.16 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I understand your reason for mentioning it, though the statement you're disputing was never actually added to the article, despite WiiVolve's request for it. All that has ever been in the article is a simple bullet point mentioning the Pro Logic II capability. That should be enough. Dancter 02:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Dolby Pro Logic II is matrix based 4.1 surround sound from a stereo source. It is not 5.1 like Dolby Digital. The number before the decimal is the number of standard speakers, and the number following the decimal is the woofer (because it has roughly 1/10 the bandwidth of the speakers). Dolby Pro Logic II decodes to center, left, right, and rear surround. So, no, Metroid Prime 3 will not feature 5.1. Geekrecon 18:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be 5.0, rather than 4.1? Dancter 19:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, it's 5.1 on the Dolby_Pro_Logic#Dolby_Pro_Logic_II article. --Oscarthecat 19:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

£179 or £179.99?

Amazon UK give their price to be £179.99, and rarely do products come out here in the UK at £X9 exactly, it's more likely to be 179.99. Will ^{(Glaciers melting in the dead of night)} 03:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

There are bound to be variations in pricing, but I think it's best to stick with what comes from the manufacturer's camp, which in this case would be simply £179. Dancter 04:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Nintendo "estimated" the price at £179 - but don't "recommend" a price in Europe (as that's not legal in many places). Nintendo's "estimate" is the closest thing we have to an official price. Dpmarshall 10:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Does 0.99 REALLY make that much of a Difference for a newly released Games console? notoriouskidcoire 12:54, 07 October 2006 (GMT)

Vandalism

Some idiot found it to be a fun idea to vandalise the page with a clever comment of "PS3 Rox! Wii sucks!". Can someone with access to original article erase this utterly perceptive and smart comment and revert it to the way it was please? - Russ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.54.243.250 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

It's not hard. just go to the history section. Zazaban 04:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Russ, when you see vandalism even you can revert it. Either go to the history page at the top and review the changes that were made to ensure they didn't delete anything when adding their nonsense and then restore that section or the page to what it was before the vandalism making sure to not overwrite any new edits, or the simple way is to click the edit tab above the section and just remove the vandalism and then check the history to make sure they didnt delete anything that you need to add back in. Also next time you talk on this page please sign your posts with ~~~~ this will put your username/ip and the time+date of your post, this lets us know who left a message and when. Thanks a bunch and welcome to Wikipedia. Sir hugo 12:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Dancter for signing my comment since I seem to have forgotten it myself.Sir hugo 14:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Allright. Thought it was a moderator/member privilage. Thanks for saying. -Russ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.54.243.250 (talk • contribs) .

Removed US Wii link

I have removed the first external link which was to the US Wii portal and left the international Wii portal as the first link. I think that is appropriate geographic NPOV. Garglebutt / (talk) 02:23, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I added it back in as it has different information and is still a valid link for general Wii information.Sir hugo 11:48, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Two Problems

I can find no sources or references relating to Australian controller prices. I will remove these now.

Also I think that the references section can be consolidated and mostly sourced from sites in the sources list. I only wish I had the time to do that part.OriginalPiMan 09:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Since you were looking for sources for controller prices, have you come across any for the Canadian controller prices? I haven't had any luck. I asked the original contributor of the information for a source a while back, but nothing seems to have come of it. Dancter 14:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

You shouldn't have removed them. The policy is if its not damaging to the article it should be tagged. Otherwise you should remove all the other pricing that is unverified including the Canadian controllers and the Ireland/Columbian pricing etc.

Sorry for not deleting the rest, or deleting the Aussie prices, whichever is worse. But when I looked again the prices back with new (still unsourced) information.

None the less, there is still no word from Nintendo Australia about official prices but I won't delete the new prices immediately.OriginalPiMan 12:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

the prices are in the EB Games Catalogue— Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.221.150 (talk • contribs)

You do realize that retailers just use placeholder dates and prices until they get the correct info? TJ Spyke 00:31, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

archive soon

This talk page needs to be archived soon. I don't know how to do it, but I do now you do not archive discussions that have had comments in the last week.Tuesday42 22:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Most likely it will be archived by someone come the first of the month anyway, I would hold off till then for now.Sir hugo 12:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Turned out a little messier than usual, but the September archive is done now. Hope I didn't exclude anything too recent -- I also put up a new header at the top to remind everyone of those issues we've been through so many times before. --Stratadrake 02:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Tuesday42 03:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Criticism section

This discussion has been moved to Talk:Wii/Criticisms.

Updated tech specs

These tech specs are missing from the Wikipedia Nintendo Wii entry:

729 MHz IBM PowerPC "Broadway" CPU
243 MHz ATI "Hollywood" GPU
24MBs "main" 1T-SRAM
64MBs other 1T-SRAM
3MBs texture memory on GPU
Built-in 802.11b/g Wi-Fi capability

source: IGN.com (http://wii.ign.com/articles/733/733464p1.html)

-R 72.43.142.220 21:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

There was a post about this on here earlier. The IGN specs were not from Nintendo, IBM, or ATI and they have not been confirmed by any of the groups. Till one of them does confirm them these are purely speculative. Since even if they did come from a developer there is no guarantee that the devkits issued at this point are the same as the final hardware.

Sweet! Somebody did what i did 3 & 5 months ago. Maybe you can add an additional 193 bytes to the Wii article this time! Renegadeviking 7:38, October 25, 2006

I just removed these tech specs from the article again. Can anyone reference previous discussions over this (I know we've had them, but I don't have time to go digging)? That'd be nice for those who are wanting to add these rumors into the article. Zebov ^{(talk|contribs)} 06:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

too much Vandalism, Please block Anons from editing

Wii (pronounced as the word "we", IPA: /wiː/) is Nintendo's seventh-generation video game console. Its official project code name was Penis machine.

^^ Well i guess it proves my point. Dont worry i fixed it.

But i suggest we put this article back on Editing Protection from new users and Anonymous users. Toasty!|Available at your local store 23:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Breaking news: No more game-specific friend codes!

Due to the negative reception of the Nintendo DS' online multiplayer system, Nintendo Europe has announced that the Wii will no longer use game-specific friend codes! :) --TBCTaLk?!? 19:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

There are still friend codes, just to systems and not games. Also, I think a more reliable source should be used than this site. TJ Spyke 20:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I think they're talking about the latest installment of the Iwata Asks series (http://wii.nintendo.com/iwata_asks_vol3_p3.html), but are oversimplifying things, and are somewhat misleading about the details. Dancter 20:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Amazon Pre-Order Glitch

I read the statement that Amazon gave about the Pre-orders and I thought it meant that it wasn't a problem that people could pre-order a Wii. But it was that when they opened pre-orders they had to close it quickly becuase so many people ordered it. And the problem was that the people who wanted a notifictation that the pre-orders were open didn't get one.

The current wording in the article says that it was a glitch the they started accepting pre-orders. Grey Goshawk 10:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Text input

Please excuse me if I missed this in the article, but things like the Opera browser will require the user to be able to enter text (e.g. URLs, text fields) using the Wii Remote/Nunchuck. How is this done? BrokenBeta [talk · contribs] 20:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

We don't know. There could be a on-screen keyboard, the Wii could also possibly support USB keyboards. TJ Spyke 20:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

In the Mii channel they briefly named a new Mii via an on-screen keyboard, my guess is that they will have an on-screen keyboard that pops up when you point somewhere or press a button. I doubt they'll support USB keyboards because the point of the Wii hardly seems to be text-intensive things like writing emails or forum posts (or editing Wikipedia... imagine editing the Wii article while using a Wii!). That's more PS3 territory. But at this point it's anyone's guess I suppose. --Twile 22:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Name origin. Is this true?

From this. Can anyone confirm this?

"The name Nintendo means ‘luck from Heaven’. The name Revolution means ‘overthrow of a ruler’. People still ask, “Why didn’t they just keep ‘Revolution’ as the name of the console?” Aside from the obvious reasons (already trademarked, internet searching for ‘wii’ is much easier to find the console than ‘revolution’, etc.), Nintendo did keep the ‘Revolution’ name. They simply combined Nintendo and Revolution which comes out as ‘Wii’. In Kanji of the old Japanese (19th century and earlier), the name ‘wii’ can literally mean the ‘overthrow of the gods’."

--Zooba 21:00, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I seriously doubt that meaning of "Wii", but the meaning of "Nintendo" is fairly accurate. "Ninten" approximately means "Leave luck to Heaven." or "Heaven blesses." "Do" is a suffix roughly meaning "store" or "company". On a search of Google for "leave luck to heaven" or "What does Nintendo mean?", several matches appear. A few years ago Nintendo.com had the meaning on their website to be a long-winded translation of "Leave luck to heaven." as something like "We do the most we can, the best we can, and await the result.", but that definition has since been removed now that the website is more meant to target gamers as opposed to those interested in corporate information. Geekrecon 19:06, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I e-mailed the person from the original source and all he said was that he got told it from a teacher in Japan. My Japanese teacher couldn't find anything either, although confirmed the "Nintendo" name meaning. I'm wondering whether e-mailing NoE or even NoA would bring anything up... I mean, I don't know why they'd deny it, if it was true. --Zooba 18:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, to do that would be original research, so unless they publish it somewhere, we're out of luck either way on this one. --Maxamegalon2000 18:26, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

If NoE do reply and say, "Yes, 'Wii' neans 'overthrow the gods' in pre-19th century Japanese," couldn't I take a screenshot and cite it as my source? Or would Wikipedia still see that as original research? --Zooba 18:31, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm really not sure about that. Let's cross that bridge when we come to it. It doesn't sound particularily verifiable to me. --Maxamegalon2000 18:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

History section?

I was reading through this excellent Ars Technica article called How the Wii was born, and it made me think that perhaps it would be appropriate to write a "History" section for this article. The Ars Technica story would be a good reference for such a section. jaco♫plane 03:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Another good source would be the Nintendo engineers interview by Iwata. jaco♫plane 03:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Pretty good idea. Put in a unprotection request and a edit a protected article request so you can write it. Fire Emblem Freak ^talk

EDIT: Good point Dancter, I forgot that -.-' I suggest adding it right after the "Launch" section as I am too lazy right now to write it.

Why? The article is only semi-protected. The only ones who are prevented from editing the article are unregistered and newly-registered users. Dancter 17:19, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Well I wasn't worried about the protection. I just thought that I'd propose it on the talk page before proceeding. Since there seem to be no objections I'll write the section when I have some time. jaco♫plane 03:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Very subtle

"Wii will be able to connect to the Internet through its"

Changing.Kirbysuperstar 03:54, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

WAIT. Now I get it. I thought it was "Wii" as in "we". Goddamn Nintendo for that name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kirbysuperstar (talk • contribs) .

Region encoding

Wii will include region encoding into Virtual console games, i find this highly stupid since this means Europe, UK, America and Australia will miss out on all those vital titles that hit only Japan.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.74.227 (talk • contribs)

Sign your comments with four ~ signs please. Could you source that? I didn't see anything about VC games coming region encoded, but would it really matter? The system is designed for you to download games to your console, not import games. Besides, VC is a great chance for Nintendo to put games that never made it to the states (or any other region for that matter) up for sale to a new market. Mightyhog 14:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I have no clue on the source either but assuming he is correct then it would void your last sentence. A game released in Japan only for the NES would stay Japan only on VC, problem with this comes from things like Final Fantasy that if release for the VC were later released in the States on the PS. This raises some interesting questions about the VC anyway, can't wait for it to come out.Sir hugo 17:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps he is referring to this...? Virtual Console games will be tailored to each territory. This isn’t to say that Europe won’t see games that are released in the US, this means that the games will see tweaks for each territory. Source: GoNintendo blog entry taken from eurogamer.net --Zooba 19:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm kinda hoping this will be changed if it's true. If I were Nintendo, I would do it. Because you'd be nuts to deny people games they've never got but heard were cool so would pay for them. Vitriol 21:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see. It says that the Virtual Console games would be slightly altered. I hope they don't do nuts with that. Vitriol 21:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't expect an unaltered Japanese game available on the North American VC, but this makes a wonderful chance for Nintendo to translate old games that have long been region-exclusive Mightyhog 21:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

It's probably just for 50/60hz issues.Kirbysuperstar 14:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of region encoding, there appears to be nothing in the article about it. Even though I have heard that both the software and virtual console games will be region locked. I'm too lazy right now to write a paragraph about it so someone else should.SmartSped 07:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

From what I heard, first party games are reigon free, and Nintendo haven't decided about third party. Kirbysuperstar 13:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Nunchuk VS Wii Remote

I think there should be some indication on the page which games use the Nunchuk peripheral, or at least, games that are announced to use it. Knuckles sonic8 22:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

That is something that can go on individual game pages. TJ Spyke 22:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah In guess.. Knuckles sonic8 22:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Virtual Console

In the Virtual Console section it says something about "Wii Points" that are needed to buy the Virtual console and games for it. Can someone please explain in that section what Wii points are and how to earn them? - The preceding comment was made by Grevenko Sereth 19:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

They aren't needed, but can be used to buy gamnes and other things on the Wii shopping channel. You simply buy a $20USD wii points card at a retailer, and then you earn points every time you buy a game. hopes this helpes.--Ac1983fan^{(yell at me)} 11:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

50Hz or 60Hz

Does anyone know if the games will run at 50Hz or 60Hz? Or will there be a choice like on some gamecube games? --Ukdan999 11:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

It is likly that only PAL version games will have this choice.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.144.251.120 (talk • contribs)

price

hey i found out recently that the system costs $300 in a nintendo power mag— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tailsdollcurse (talk • contribs)

No it doesn't. TJ Spyke 19:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

300 of what country's dollars, sold in which country, after which political subdivision's taxes are added? --Damian Yerrick (☎) 19:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Ben Underwood

An editor recently added this, I don't think it's really notable enough to mention. What do others think? It's also not sourced. TJ Spyke 01:03, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

In itself it doesn't necessarily warrant the prominance it has been afforded within the article, though it does set an interesting precedent with respect to an individual being the first person to gain an anticipated console and said individiual being traceable. It wouldn't stand out anymore than something comprable on other systems though, i.e. the first Xbox console being sold by Bill Gates. I believe that the act of the console being given out is relevant enough, though it could be mentioned incidentially in the preceeding sections rather than on its own.

And it certainly needs to be cited as well. My vote is to keep it, though to integrate it within the article and place the importance on the actual dispersal of the console rather than on the individual who recieved it. Keep these things focused and pragmatic.Charles M. Reed 01:14, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

It certainly doesn't warrant its own heading. I say leave it out. It's trivia. Maybe the info would belong as a passing mention in a History of Wii article, but would just take up too much space in this article, even reduced to a short phrase. As trivia, it may be interesting, but is not important enough at all. Dancter 01:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Am I the only one who notices an inconsistancy with the apparent fact he can only see using echolocation and the apparent fact he got a games console? Y'know, using a screen? Vitriol 01:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, he seems to be a real person who uses echolocation by clicking. But my point still stands. Vitriol 01:53, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Considering that has been reported to be able to play some video games based on the game sounds, I have no reason to doubt the information. I still don't feel it belongs. Dancter 01:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Someone with skill should delete it or shorten it and put it somewhere else or something. Vitriol 02:01, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

At the most, this should be in a trivia section or something similiar. It should not be integrated into any of the other sections; it's not relevant at all to the product itself. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:51, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Wii Mote?

I'm sorry,the "Wii mote"?I was hopping the Nintendo Wii would have a Remote AND a Game Controller,but I guess I'm just dreaming on...Well,not that it's bad,I mean,it IS a good system,but..."WII" mote?Oh,and I've heard rumors of the Nintendo Wii lets you play and Original N64,SNES,NES,Gamecube game on it...Is that true?Conker The Squirrel 16:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Rumors? That was confirmed a long time ago.GrimRepr39 16:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The Wii Remote (it bugs the hell out of me when people call it the Wiimote) IS a game controller. Sigh, it's bad enough putting up with trolls on messageboards. TJ Spyke 20:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

You know, to the person above....Its official name is the Wiimote. And to the person above the person above, I have heard that certain games are compatible with the gamecube controller as well. Specifically I read an article about the Dragonball Z Tenkaichi or whatever uses either the Wiimote or the Gamecube controller, it's the player's choice.... And something similar with Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Then again you can't trust everything you read....—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.20.226.113 (talk • contribs) 04:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

If you bothered to do any research, you would know that the official name (according to NINTENDO), is "Wii Remote". "Wiimote" is just something the press and fans started calling it. Some games (like Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 and Rampage: Total Destruction) do let players choose to use either the Wii Remote or a GameCube controller, but most don't and I think it ruins the whole point of the new controllers. TJ Spyke 04:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

It still seems to me that the primary name is "Wii Remote". The only official use of "Wiimote" I've found is for France. Dancter 05:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Of all of the magazines I've read in the last 1-2 months, I've seen "Wiimote" mentioned more and more. I'm not saying that I'm very fond of the cutesy/clever puns, but that's what I've read. DestradoZero 07:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

The gaming press loves that nickname, but I don't so I stick with the official name. Nintendo says the name is Wii Remote, so that's what I call it (and what all Wii related articles here call it). TJ Spyke 07:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with TJ "Wiimote is a press nickname, but it's official name is still Wii Remote -- Dctcool 07:57 12 October (UTC)

Oh...sorry. I guess that was my bad call on the official name....

Survey

You might want to look at this survey from —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GrimRepr39 (talk • contribs) .

Sensor bar, how it works

The sensor bar part of this article is technically unsound, inaccurate and out of date. I would like to change it to this:

"Contrary to its name, the sensor bar doesn't contain any sensors. Rather it has two infrared lights at the endpoints of the sensor bar. The controller contains an IR camera that, in much the same way as an optical mouse, looks for movements in its visual field. The sensor bar being the only strong IR emitter (hopefully) in the surroundings, gives a clear and distinct pattern to detect. Z axis detection i achieved by detecting whether the two IR lights are moving towards or away from each other. This absolute method of motion detection (as opposed to the relative achieved by a joystick or acceleration detection) gives superior precision and is complementary to the acceleration detection and gravity detection also present in the Wii controller."

Any objections? Frisenette 19:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you have a source to cite? --Maxamegalon2000 19:15, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Well for one Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Remote Also the IGN article that is linked to in the paragraph, where it is mentioned that the Wii controller contains a camera (although the author does not seem to understand what it means). I'm also sure Nintendo has said something official, although I can't seem to find it at the moment. Frisenette 20:07, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

OK. Feel free to correct this article with information from the IGN source and from Wii Remote, but make sure to bring in the citations from that article too. We don't want to be wrong, of course, but we need to be properly cited. --Maxamegalon2000 20:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the Wii Remote article doesn't cite sources for many of the claims, either. This has been an issue for months. As much as I'd like to, we're not supposed to be reading past what is stated in reputable sources. Unless there is a source stating what the camera is for, we can't say what the camera is for. Unless there is a source describing how Z axis detection i achieved, we can't included it. For the record, I think the technology works pretty much as you describe it, but I respect Wikipedia policy too much to ignore it, despite my opinions. As for the old text, I see nothing technically unsound or inaccurate about it. It may be ambiguous or incomplete, but there doesn't seem to be any incorrect facts at all. Dancter 20:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

What was unsound about the article was the claim that the sensor bar contained sensors, despite evidence to the contrary, and that it uses triangulation to get the 3d position of the Wii controller, despite 3d triangulation being impossible with only two sensors.

The paragraph from Wii controller article has plenty of citations to make it trustworthy. Frisenette 20:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

You're right. It's all in that last paragraph, which I'm amazed was allowed to creep in there. Anyway, I'm not going to revert your changes, but I am going to {{fact}}-tag it extensively. It's simply not sourced rigorously enough. Dancter 20:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

What was the source for the IR information? I think its clear that it does not have censors on the bar but still. But I don't like the suggest paragraph because it claims 'gravity' censor. If they were ICs there would be acceleromoeters and gyroscopometer, no 'gravity' censor?

Also its incorrect that the censor can't detect 3D because it only has 2 sources and therefore can't to triangulation. There are 4 IR emitter at each end, which are detected seperately by the camera. So infact there are 8 sources and triangulation is indeed possible. Also its unconfirmed but it appears the system can work with the bar vertical. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.144.251.120 (talk • contribs) 02:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

The emitters all seem to be collinear, which would only provide one side of a triangle for any calculations. Even taking the accelerometer into account, it has not been shown that the sensors can provide all the information to definitively calculate a relative 3D position. Frisenette's claim that depth calculations can be calculated unambiguously doesn't take into account that the camera would read the points closer together when the controller is angled from the side, as well. Dancter 04:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I was under the impression that the sensor bar was only needed when you want to point at the screen. This makes sense, as you now have points of reference relative to the screen, so you can figure out roughly where you're pointing on the screen. Furthermore I don't see why you would care about the 3D position. For most applications it's a totally useless thing. Only things you care about are the 3D movement and possibly where the remote is pointed. Think abotu it like an optical mouse, a similar input device. The absolute 3D position doesn't matter--in the case of a mouse, who cares where it is? You're just trying to capture the motion. In the case of the Wii Remote, it's also useless because your distance from the screen will vary based on screen size, number of people playing, and the distance you usually sit/stand from it. Once turned on the Remote should be able to establish a sort of "neutral" position like a joystick, any motion can be picked up by the accelerometers. Pointing is done with the sensor bar to establish its "neutral" position relative to the screen. Although I suppose, if they wanted, they could also have it measure the distance between the IR emitters. The larger the distance gets between emitters, the closer the remote is, and the smaller the distance between emitters, the further the remote is. Turning in 3 axis can be determined by watching the movement of the emitters (I keep saying movement of emitters but I really mean the movement of the points they make over the camera's field of view). Of course it's possible that such a system might mix up things like up/down movement with up/down tilt, same with left/right movement and tilt, but that's why we have the rotation sensors isn't it? --Twile 17:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe somebody should also put in something about the sensor being sunlight sensitive.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.130.207 (talk • contribs)

Where did you get this "info" from? TJ Spyke 06:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

It's been a big concern for a few days. Nintendo denies it to be a problem, though. Probably should get a mention, I guess. [8] --Maxamegalon2000 06:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I dont know how to cite sources, and it's locked for now, but someone should include info about the sensor bar and how sunlight interferes with it, and makes some games unplayable. It should be noticed that this isn't confirmed by Nintendo but it looked to be true. I read about it here- http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/09/sunlight-wiis-biggest-foe/ The anecdotal evidence is here http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message?board.id=revolution&message.id=2065592 the stuff about the sunlight is #2 Also, I couldn't find anything about how halogen lights negatively react to the sensor bar either. There is only a small mention of it but it's there- http://gaming.engadget.com/2006/10/09/sunlight-disables-wii-sensor-bar/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.115.171.228 (talk • contribs) 08:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Pokémon Battle Revolution - Europe

Shouldn't it be listed as "Unknown", not "No"? As far as I know, it won't not be coming to Europe. In fact, there are a fair few games there that should be listed as "Unknown"...

I would edit it myself, but with this vandalism claim...

Guest 10:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.217.195.160 (talk • contribs) .

It's a list of launch titles. Pokemon Battle Revolution is definitely not going to be available at launch, so it's a "No". Sockatume 18:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I thought Reggie said in NYC (in the Q&A part) that Pokemon Battle Revolution will be a launch title in Japan... 74.111.14.37 20:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Clarifications on what is included in the purchase

The "Pricing" section should include exactly what is included in the price. I can understand that extra wiimotes, etc, come at another price, but what is included in the way of controllers, memory cards, and so forth...Stormx2 20:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I talked to someone at my local game retailer about this, and they said it came with a Wii remote, Some cords (I don't remember the names but like the power and AV cord or whatever), a nunchuck controller, and of course a console. It is also said that it comes with Wii sports which I suspect is programmmed into the system rather than on a disk as I read something about that.... There may be more things it comes with but this is what I remember the teenager working at the store telling me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.20.226.113 (talk • contribs) 04:56, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

That has been confirmed for a few weeks. It comes with 1 Wii Remote (the CORRECT name), 1 nunchuk, a set of AV cables, the stand, and a copy of Wii Sports (which is a seperate disc). I think this is all mentioned in the Wii article. TJ Spyke 05:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Launch Titles?

There are 2 games that I know of (and there are probabaly more) that are not included in the list of launch titles. I know that Dragonball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 2 and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption are launch titles yet they are not on the list. I also think there are more missing from that list, why arnt these games included?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jarvisganon (talk • contribs)

Because they are no longer launch titles. MP3 was pushed back until 2007, and DBZ was pushes back to 2007 as well. TJ Spyke 00:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

NOTE TO WIKI: ADD SUPER MARIO GALAXY TO THE CONFIRMED LAUNCH GAMES> AAnd, Zelda: Twilight Princess. Thank you. :P (Sorry, posted in Linux by accident.)— Preceding unsigned comment added by SpawnLord (talk • contribs)

Super Mario Galaxy is not a launch title, where has NINTENDO (and not some rumor site like Kotaku or GoNintendo) say it was a launch title? TJ Spyke 04:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

None of those games are launch titles. Super Mario Galaxy was never a launch title in the first place and MP3 was delayed....71.0.171.222 21:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I noted about a week or two ago that the Nintendo Wii site listed MP3 as a launch title. It said something like "Take a look at our launch titles" or something, and had a list of games, including MP3. I'm thinking maybe there was a lack of coordination between the site designer and other involved parties, or perhaps they didn't mean for the label to be interpreted that way. Anyway I could see how that might confuse someone. --Twile 17:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, add Super Mario Galaxy to the confirmed launch games. Go to the Wii official site and click on software "Take a sneak peek at the unprecedented Wii launch lineup". Super Mario Galaxy is defianately one of the launch titles, and therefore Wii is not the second Nintendo system not to launch with a Mario title. --Boc120 4:15 PM Central Time, 23 October 2006.

Um, in case you didn't notice. They also list games that won't come out until nexty year (like Battalion Wars 2). SMG is NOT a launch title and they have never said it was. TJ Spyke 21:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Can you provide a link to the site? I viewed two or three sites and can't find anything about SMG bieng a launch game. Unless you give us some proof, we're going to have to stick with the Q1 2007 date. Same goes for MP3 and any other game. --Sasuke-kun27 21:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it's here: [9], but it just says "Coming Soon" and lists several games in development. TJ Spyke 21:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

But if you look at the wii.nintendo.com main page, right under software it says "Take a sneak peek at the unprecedented Wii launch lineup" and links to a page with 9 games listed, including Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Again I think this was an error in the web design, but it does give the impression that all those games are in the "launch lineup". --Twile 14:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Linux

This just in the Wii runs linux http://games.slashdot.org/games/06/10/08/1754219.shtml This should be included int he article somehow..— Preceding unsigned comment added by RyanTMulligan (talk • contribs)

I don't see anything about linux in the article that slashdot links to, and the comments say it only a rumor http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=199749&cid=16358231 and http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=199749&cid=16359367— Preceding unsigned comment added by Logan GBA (talk • contribs)

Not to mention that neither Nintendo nor any RELIABLE site as said anything about it running Linux. Also, please sign your comments (both of you). TJ Spyke 18:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Its pretty standard for any CPU device to run some form of unix kernal. Doesnt mean it runs standard linux etc.--Dacium 07:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The blogger who started the rumour has now admitted that it was a hoax.[10] --Safalra 18:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The Wii itself might not, but the development kit uses linux, or at least uses gtk for its user interface based on some instructional videos I've seen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.6.0.220 (talk • contribs)

Wii remote with wii play in Australia

Is this a good enough source? http://www.aussie-nintendo.com/index.php?v=dates if so, can someone add it, as i dont know how to refer to sources --Idontgottaname 23:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Errm you mean Wii Play comes with a Wiimote. Wii sports comes with the console and its already listed.--Dacium 07:16, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Sorry bout that. fixed now --Idontgottaname 11:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Australia launch

User:Nova Prime has added Australian launch info, the problem is that it's not from Nintendo of Australia. It's from some site called palgn.com.au, should this be removed? TJ Spyke 06:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Why remove it? Palgn has ties to game stores and often has far superior info than what Nintendo Aus publish on their website. --Dacium 07:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I am not familiar with that site, so I don't know how reliable they are. TJ Spyke 07:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm a regular reader and I find that they are quite reliable, and the article I took the majority of the release dates from mentions they got the dates from Activision, EA, THQ and Ubi. And as Dacium said, Nintendo Australia are pretty hopeless. Nova Prime 07:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo Australia just sit on their asses all day and hope for the best. I've never seen the WFC site updated since before MP:H came out. PALGN, on the other hand is indeed a very reliable source. Kirbysuperstar 13:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

New Pictures of Wii Accessories

Today on October 11, 2006 on Vooks.net the first pictures of the wii accessories were released........buuuuuuuut due to the whole protection thing I am unable to put them on. I think they will improve the article and they need to put on to look at them go to http://www.vooks.net/modules.php?module=article&id=11048--Llamalord54321 00:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how they would fit in. Pictures of video cables and the like aren't exactly exciting article material. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 17:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

but shouldnt they at least include a picture of the USB to Ethernet Cable, to show people wat it looks like? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.222.118.16 (talk • contribs) .

Wii Reservations

I got some insight from a co-worker who also works at EB Games (USA) that Wii Reservations starts tomorrow 10/13/2006 @ EB Games/Gamestops across the United States. It will be $50 USD to reserve your console.

I don't know if this belongs here, I just wanted to help you guys out!64.8.28.2 17:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)John B

I heard it as well, and I think GameStop has officially announced it. Thanks for the heads up, but do note that the article talk page is for talking about improving the article itself, not as a discussion board ;). -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 17:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I think a bit about it on the page would be a good idea. Something like "Wii officially went on Pre-Order October 13, 2006 for..." under release date. JQF 18:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

According to their email, its only a partial preorder. They expect to run out of consoles soon. Jaxad0127 18:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

JQF, this is just one retailer. Amazon took orders a couple of weeks ago and FYE has been taking pre-orders for months. So it's not like tomorrow will be the first time Wii has been available for pre-order. So it's not worth mentioning on the page. TJ Spyke 19:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I hadn't relized others were offering pre-orders. In that cause, it probably doesn't matter. JQF 20:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Every company I can think of has been taking pre-orders, I fail to see the relevance of the date that some stores began offering the service. Caseh 16:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I know the article's protected at the moment, but if you are to add this, you'll probably need a source. ~ EmeZxX 11:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

EB(AU) has alowed preorders for months Shinigami Josh 12:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Ouch..my bad. What's worse, I live in Australia ._. ~ EmeZxX 12:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

linkify anamorphic widescreen

could somebody with permission stick some double brackets around "anamorphic widescreen" ? --Johnruble 02:13, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Done. -- Doc711 20:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Market

i dont know wether or not to put this in but this site had a good article on the wii and had no real bias in tis point of view http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=3&subID=517&WT.srch=1

Too Much Citations?

There seems to be a LOT of citations in the Sensor Bar section. This is just my opinion but I think that it's been overdone. You don't need to verify that it has a one megapixel image sensor TWICE. The amout of [Citation Needed] is also quite over-the-top. And things like [The sensor bar can be placed anywhere near the display screen and parallel to the screen's horizontal edge] do not need to be cited as it's simply common sense. I'll leave this to you guys who actually run the article though... --210.11.82.26 05:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The citations are needed because of the Consolse wars. Everything needs to be shown true otherwise we would have to start accepting fanboy type comments. --Dacium 05:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Not necessarily common sense. Besides that, many video game websites are pretty shaky on their own; IGN is often taken to be somewhat reliable, for example, but they do post a lot of speculation and garbage. Having a number of sources rarely hurts. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 06:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Far Cry Vengence as European launch title?

In the 'confimed launch titles' section, it states that Far Cry Vengence isn't a launch title for the wii in Europe, but after checking the GAME website I found that it says there that it is http://www.game.co.uk/ViewProduct.aspx?cat=11443&mid=329578. I'm not sure if this is reliable, if someone could confirm it and add it into the article that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wjuk (talk • contribs)

We go by what official sources say, not what a game store says. Neither Nintendo nor Ubisoft have announced it as a launch title in Europe. TJ Spyke 20:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't put much faith in GAME anyway, I've consistently been given different information from GAME workers and the GAME website only to find that both were incorrect. Doc711 23:17, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Launch List NOT Complete

I was at my friend's house today and I was looking through the latest issue of Nintendo Power and I saw that there was a list of all the games to be launched with the Wii in there. I do not have that NP issue but I remember that Budokai Tentachi 2 was definately on the list. Somebody here should have that issue and they should update the list accordingly. -- AS Artimour 00:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I find it curious that it would be a launch game here where the Japanese version was delayed untill January. What issue number/month is it? TJ Spyke 00:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

The North American Status of Super Swing Pangya needs to be changed to yes because it is confirmed through EB Games web page and through the Gamespot page. Vcelloho 02:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Retailers are not reliable sources for confirmations because they do have wrong info. Unless Nintendo or Tecmo confirm it being release outside of Japan, then is shouldn't be changed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TJ Spyke (talk • contribs) .

This video says that BT2 will be released the week of November 20, which means that it will not be a launch title. Sasuke-kun27 02:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Umm... Wii launches on the 19 (a Sunday). Jaxad0127 06:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

And? Only games that release on (or before) launch day are launch games. Even if a game comes out only 1 day after launch it is not considered a launch game. TJ Spyke 06:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

If i remember correctly, that was a list of launch window games, not launch games. I don't have the issue with me, though, so I could be wrong. The list did seem small for a list of launch window games. Tuesday42 14:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

What Tuesday42 says is correct that above the list it says that the games are of a launch window. Either Pangya should be added or the true intent of the list should be clarified. 70.17.138.2 15:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I made a mistake I appologise for my pointless argument141.154.180.97 23:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

It clearly says Launch Titles and not Launch WINDOW Titles. The only thing about launch window games (that I saw) was "As of October 2006, it has been confirmed that 21 titles will be available on launch day in the Americas, with another 24+ games believed to be available during the "launch window" ending in March 2007." Sasuke-kun27 15:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I distinctly remember it being Launch Titles and not Launch Window. The issue in which this appeared is Nintendo Power Issue 209. I will try to get a scan of the page from my friend. -- AS Artimour 16:06, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

It's on page 16 of that volume. And it says "Launch Window." It lists 33 games (in alphabetical order):

The Ant Bully	The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy	Rampage
Avatar: The Last Air Bender	GT Pro Series	Rapala Tournament Fishing
Barnyard	Happy Feet	Raman Raving Rabbids
Blazing Angels	Ice Age 2	Red Steel
Call of Duty 3	Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess	Spongebob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab
Cars	Madden NFL 07	Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Chicken Little: Ace in Action	Marvel: Ultimate Alliance	Tom Clancy's Plinter Cell: Double Agent
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi	Metal Slug Anthology	Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam
Elebits	Monster 4x4: World Curcuit	Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Excite Truck	Need for Speed Carbon	Wii Sports
Far Cry: Vengence	Open Season	World Series of Poker

Being thats its a NOA magazine, this should apply to the Americas. Jaxad0127 16:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, Launch window. Next issue should be coming out a couple of weeks before launch, so that should have the games coming out at launch(and not ones coming out after). TJ Spyke 18:24, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and the article that tablle goes with says we shiuld expect about 30 games by Dec 31. That basically includes the whole table. Jaxad0127 19:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the Naming of "Wii"

Perhaps someone should mention that the spelling of "Wii" and "Mii" (in particular, the use of "ii" to denote what most English speakers would spell as "ee") is in a large part due to the Romanization system(s) used in Japan that spell in this way? (To the Japanese eye, it looks like a cool pseudo-foreign word, and of course very few people know the English words that it sounds like, besides the pronoun.)

Edededed 11:18, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Im sorry but im fairly certain that Japanese children are required to learn English. Emk52 15:01, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

its besides the point, it was named Wii with 2 I's because its like two (people/controlers/ect.) together, its to premote the fact that a lot of the Wii focuses on mulitplayer. so it is not an error in romanisation Shinigami Josh 01:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

One more external link: "How the Wii was born"

I can't add it, since the page is protected but it's a very nice overview:

• http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/wii.ars How the Wii was born (Ars Technica)

-- nyenyec ☎ 17:28, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Wii Vs. The Sun Issue

Should we include how the sensor bar may be affected by direct sunlight, such as this quote taken from 1up.com

• http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3154328

"We know that the sensor bar goes all wonky when halogen lights are in the room. But did you know that natural sunlight messes it up too? That's right, if you have the sun beaming right onto the sensor bar, it doesn't work. For about an hour or so, the sun shone right into the store, the two MP3:C kiosks had to have curtains above them, and the Wii Sports Tennis and Shooting Game kiosks were unplayable since they were "shrouded" in sunlight. Later the sun went behind a building, and everything was in working order again. So when you get your Wii, don't play it in the sunlight. Or keep the sensor bar and TV away from the windows." Amish Gramish 17:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Why don't we wait until the thing is released and that this is adressed before we start mnetioning it. So far this is kind of a rumour, not wiki material. --Thaddius 18:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo denied that it was an issue, AFAIK. It used to be, but was now resolved apparently. So I agree, leave it alone until one can actually test it. Ritarri 13:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the Wii does have sunlight issues. It is true that Nintendo reported there was nothing to worry about, but they once again adressed the topic, saying that the Wii did indeed have sunlight issues. Below are some links to articles. BeefJeaunt 18:19, October 23 2006 (UTC)

• http://www.slashgear.com/nintendo-denies-then-confirms-wii-sunlight-issues-132044.php
• http://www.gamerscan.com/articles/06/10/12/wii.does.react.to.sun/

Actually, accoring to designers in "Iwata Talks" it WAS a issue, but they have went to great lengths to fix the problem, and it has in final sensor bar untis.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.83.183.29 (talk • contribs)

LiveMove

Nintendo recently announced a program aimed at making game development easier called "LiveMove". It gets rid of the need to do complex game programing by allowing the developer/s to simply make the desired gestures to integrate them into the gameplay. The program was developed Ailive and can be aquired with a $2500(?) insurance fee. Balljoint 1:24 PM, Sun. 15, Oct. 2006 (UTC)

• http://www.ailive.net/liveMove.html

Ambidextrous

I think it should be mentioned somwhere in this article that the wiimote (and nunchuk attachment) is interchangable between the right and left hands. Balljoint 1:46 Pm, Sun. 15, Oct. 2006 (UTC)

"Because the Wii Remote and Nunchuk controllers are only relatively dependant on each other, players are free to hold them in whichever hand is most comfortable. The ambidextrous nature of the Wii controllers grants accessibilty seldom seen in game controllers." -quoted from the Wii section of Nintendo.com [11] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.40.124 (talk • contribs)

this apears to be so, with both the nunchuk and the main remote being symetrical, and as such what hand you use shouldent effect the 'feel' of using itShinigami Josh 01:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

The only game I see this really being a problem with is Zelda since the Wii Remote controls Link's sword (which is in his right hand), although Nintendo did this because they know most people are right handed. TJ Spyke 02:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

idont see how this would effect it, as specific gestures relate to swrod strokes, it wont be an exact replay of your specific motion Shinigami Josh 03:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I just meant it might be a little awkward for left handed people, unless they plan on keeping the Wii Remote in their right hand. TJ Spyke 03:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

If this wasn't mentioned it should be, as it's pretty important for the lefties out there. Shinigami, there's no reason to get nasty. TJ is correct in a sense, it might look odd or be disconcerting to be doing jabs and such with the Remote in the left hand, and having the character do with the right hand. Apparently this was strong enough to make Nintendo turn Link into a righty for the Wii version (though not strong enough to allow for it to be customized in-game). So if you're calling TJ an idiot, you're calling Nintendo an idiot too. --Twile 18:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

It has been stated that Link will break with tradition and use his right arm for sword swinging, but this does not necessarily mean that lefties can't change a setting making Link left armed again. Nintendo has had a good track record for this kind of detail, I wouldn't be worried about it at all. --Thaddius 18:41, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

You have to wonder, though, if they said they're making him a lefty in one and a righty in the other, why wouldn't they have already announced (especially when we're just a month away) if you could choose one setting or another in the game? Ah well, we'll see. --Twile 18:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

but if it is left in one and right on the other, it shows that it has been done with each hand, so it wouldent be a far step to be able to choose between the two, but the cut scenes (if any) would be the same regardless of what handedness the character is. i would also like to say that my previous comments were not ment to be insulting at anyone and if it was i would like to say sorryShinigami Josh 21:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Your forgetting about what they did when they made him right-handed. The inverted ALL of the maps in the game. Thats a major change. To let Link's handedness be changeable, the maps would have to be changeable as well. And cutseens in LOZ aren't prerendered videos. They're usually done with the game mechanics, making this issue nonexistant. Jaxad0127 00:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

what do you mean "inverted all the maps"? could you put a link??Shinigami Josh 03:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Check IGN, they inverted(like flipping it in a mirror) all the maps when they made Link right handed. TJ Spyke 03:33, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Quote from Miyamoto: "Although Link is [traditionally] left-handed, at E3 we noticed people seemed to be using the right Wii controller to swing his sword. That's why we decided to make Link right-handed. The interesting this is, on the GameCube Link is still left-handed; because of the mirror mode the game map is reversed." I hope this isn't true because flipping the entire map to correct the handedness is like turning your house around so there's no glare on the tv from the sun. Why not just flip the Link model? There must be a translation error or a misquote. --Thaddius 01:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I remember reading something about how it opened up new weak spots on Link if they just switched him. Like, an enemy is programmed to attack Link's right side because that's where Link would protect himself. Well, if you just switch Link, he's no longer protected on that side because the enemy is still attacking that side. If you switch everything, the enemy attacks on the correct side and it doesn't open up holes. Basically, it would make the game 10X harder if you didn't flip everything because you'd have to switch to mostly defensive instead of offensive. --pIrish 01:55, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

This still makes little sense. If that were the case, left handed people would experience the '10X harder' version of the game you speak of because the game was flipped to allow for righties. Unless of course the game flipped back for left handed people, which is unprescidented. I'd like to see this article where it goes into greater detail about the 'flipping'. --Thaddius 16:48, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Still, both dexterities are used to the control stick being on the left (nunchuck) so it's likely that both will keep it there. — Jaxad0127 18:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

You seem to be missing the point. The reason they switched everything and not just Link has very little to do with whether you're left-handed or right-handed. Yes, they decided to make the switch because most people were right-handed and they decided to make it feel more natural for the majority of their audience. But the reason they decided to switch everything instead of just Link was because of the increased difficulty of the game when just switching Link. And to see the articles, just google "Zelda Wii mirror" and you'll get several hits about it. --pIrish 13:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. Like I said earlier, left-handed people will probably have the controller/nunchuck in the same hands as right-handed people because they're used to having the analog stick on the left. — Jaxad0127 13:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to suggest that if you want to keep going at this, you take it to the page for Twilight Princess instead. If you have more general questions or comments about the system itself that's great, but this seems to be highly focused on a single game which does have its own page. --Twile 14:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Region lock?

Shouldn't there be a mention of the region lock on the Wii? --Zeno McDohl ^(talk) 06:13, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

do you have any sources?

There are plenty. [12] --Zeno McDohl ^(talk) 13:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Confusing portion in "Virtual Console"

In one part of the Virtual Console section, it confusingly reads:

...and the MSX home computer. [8] NES games ...

where [8] is the external link. For better context it should be moved before the period or converted into a reference, so it reads, for example:

...and the MSX home computer^[8]. NES games ...

Peter O. (Talk) 03:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Done--Konst.able 04:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Launch games

Since the page is STILL locked. Here are citations for the North American launch:

http://www.planetgamecube.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=12171 for Madden NFL 07 and Need for Speed: Carbon http://www.planetgamecube.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=11866 for Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII, Far Cry: Instincts, Open Season, Monster 4x4 World Circuit, GT Pro Series, Red Steel, Rayman Raving Rabids http://www.atlus.com/prpdf/tcso.pdf for Trauma Center: Second Opinion (coming out 5 days before launch accordint to Atlus. I can get more tomorrow. TJ Spyke 04:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Gamefaqs release listings. Somehow, a few titles are coming before the system itself... --Nintendorulez talk 18:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Controller Photo

I've listed it for IfD because it seems to be a copyvio (see: Commons:Commons:Deletion_requests/Image:WiiRemoteController.png). If it is indeed a cv, it's between two photos which are honestly somewhat poor. Which to use?

or  ?

-- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 03:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• I don't know, at least we won't have this problem in a month. I plan to take a picture of the Wii as soon as I get it (midnight at launch) and upload it here. I will also tak a picture of both controllers, that way we will have several GOOD free pictures. TJ Spyke 03:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
  • <3 -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 03:09, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Region lock????

Im a noob so don't blame me if i stuff anything up. My queery is on the Region lock for the wii console. Can someone please explain to me what is going on. I am planning at the end of the year to go to Japan and buy a wii with the bleach game so i'd like to know what to do and what to buy. I live in Australia so I don't know what type of cables they use to plug the console to the tv set. can someone explain that to me to.

If anyone can help me with anything regarding it email me at andreijanca@hotmail.com

Andreijanca 09:09, 18 October 2006 (UTC)andrei janca 1715 hours 18 Oct 2006

Region lock applies to games. So, a console bought in Japan should only play Japanese games, refusing other regions. Jaxad0127 14:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Nintendos Advertising of wii

I think there should be a page or section about their current and future advetsing for wii.

for example for twilight princess promo shots go to ATrueMasterSwordsman.bebo.com

the owner of that bebo has some promo shots taken 3 months ago for twilight. he is the one in those pictures

Nitromaster 21:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Canada and Mexico?

I think I've added the release date for Canada a few times. Seems like it keeps getting taken away, but I don't really know why. Someone signed their revert with 'we've been over this' but there was no explanation as to why. Can someone enlighten me as to why there's we allow a US release date on the page but not one for Canada or Mexico? Just want to point out that the US does not include Canada or Mexico. --Thaddius 16:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Well I can only think of one thing; No confirmation, If no one can show that the release dates are correct then yeah I can see why they were removed but otherwise I can't see any logical reason not to have them up there. -- Doc711 17:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

lol. I hope that's not it cause the Canadian release date of November 19th is the first thing you see when you go to nintendo.ca. If that's the problem I'll just re-ad it. But I'll wait for people to reply I guess. --Thaddius 18:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

We don't need flags for every country. Almost without exception, when a video game is released in North America it comes out on the same day in the US and Canada, so there is really need for just one flag. Same thing with Mexico, I only see a need for seperate flags if their are seperate release dates. I do wish that we had a flag for North America like there is with Europe, then we wouldn't have to put up with this. TJ Spyke 19:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

it seams fine the way it is, any way not all things come out in Mexico and Canada on the same day. but by that logic we could drop the us release an then leave up the Mexican or Canadian release.Shinigami Josh 22:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

We really do need flags for North America and Northern America (US and Canada). But, since it launches on the same day in the entire hemisphere, we'd need a flag for it all. — Jaxad0127 01:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I did try to switch to the abbreviations mentioned at Template talk:Infobox CVG#Alternative to flags, but it was quickly reverted. I guess as problematic as the flags are, people really didn't like the other idea. Dancter 01:51, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Then why don't' we just remove the flag and write 'North America'? Or remove them all together cause there's a chart right below it. Maybe a little 'see below' in the 'release date' part would do too. These are much better solutions than deciding that the US is important enough to get a flag while Canada and Mexico aren't. A little POV, I think. --Thaddius 23:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

The US is the biggest individual country gaming wise, and if there are gonna be flags then it makes sense for it to be the US one. TJ Spyke 23:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Isn't there a split flag somewhere? One that's half the US Flag and half the Canadian Flag? Why not use that, or something like it? JQF 23:57, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I think there is, I know i've seen it. I don't know what the code for it is though. TJ Spyke 00:04, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Well my suggestion still stands, removing the flags all together. I know Americans love seeing their flag, but maybe we should do what the Nintendo 64 article is doing and merely have an ^NA thing, doing the same for the other regions. Also, we can merely say 'see chart below', the imformation is repeated on that chart comparing the prices. I also fail to see the relevance of the US being a large video game consumer. This is irrelevant when on considers that the system is also being released in the two areas that I've mentioned. I'll try to look for that half Canada\US thing then we can just add a Mexican one I guess. Another thing people do is just put them all in a row. --Thaddius 01:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

While that may solve the problem, their are people (myself included) who don't like the way it looks, and it presents problems when those regions aren't all uniform for a release. People also like the flags because it looks good visually. As for adding Mexico, that's fine by me, infact something allong the lines of the NAFTA emblem would work. Puting them in a row is the common solution (which I tried to do a while back), but there are people who dislike this method because it disrupes the alignment of the dates. JQF 15:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I added a retail package section, but I'm not really good at this...

If someone could clean it up it make it look more like the other sections, I would appreciate it. --The prviously unsigned comment was made by Duhman0008 at 14:36, 20 October 2006

I did a little bit of formating, but would like to ask a general question: How reliable is Go Nintendo as a source? This, I hope, will be answered by someone who frequents this page more than I.--Farquaadhnchmn 14:43, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. To answer your question, reliable or not, what's important are the pictures. The picture where you see the content list will also show you the UPC. Using the UPC database, you can clearly see that it's the real thing: http://www.upcdatabase.com/item.asp?upc=045496880019 Duhman0008 14:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

But who's to say they didn't just place the valid UPC on a fake box? — Jaxad0127 16:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

GoNintendo is not reliable, they post a lot of fake news. Plus, those pics look fake. I think it should be removed unless a more reliable source can be found. TJ Spyke 17:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Anyone that has ever used a digital camera can clearly see that this is a a real picture and not some photoshop scam. But here, if you need more proof, how about a video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=esyGft9Vx5g

Also, TJ Spyke, you mention the word proof a lot, but do you have any proof that sites like GoNintendo posts a lot of fake articles? Most of the articles that GoNintendo and other sites like it posts are from other websites such as GameSpot, IGN and some none-North American websites.Duhman0008 17:26, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I've seen pictures that look real, but are fake, and that person sure was careful to only show that one part of the box. TJ Spyke 17:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Probably cause it's the most important part. Let's face it TJ, believing or not is a personal opinion. This looks real to me and looks fake to you. Everyone's on the same level here so my opinion is as good as yours. If in two weeks we find that it was fake, I'll be the first one to remove this section. Also, let's face it, making a Wiki page about anything that's not release is a risk. Anything is subject to change at the last minute. For example, if Nintendo decides to add more Wii channels before shipping out the units and doesn't tell anyone, then the info here will be false.Duhman0008 17:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Let's not forget: Wikipedia is based on verifiability, not truth. That being said, I think enough sites have gone ahead and ran with this that we can at the very least note that it's been reported. --Maxamegalon2000 18:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the verifiability part, but let's not forget that a real encyclopedia will only have information on things that do exists, not upcoming things. If Wikipedia allows for an encyclopedia page for something that has yet to be released, then it must accept the fact that anything can happen and they probably do since this is posted at the top of the page:

This article contains information about a scheduled or expected future product. It may contain unverified or unreliable information, and may not reflect the final version of the product.

As I said before, things are subject to change before the launch and what was once a fact can become a lie anytime between now and the next 30 days.Duhman0008 18:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Launch title conflict

Can anyone explain to me why it says on the page:

As of October 2006, it has been confirmed that at least 21 titles will be available on launch day in North America

When I count the Yes in the North American column, I end up with 26 (including Wii Sports) titles? I noticed that someone tried to change it to 25 (although he she/she should have put 26) and then TJ Spyke changed it back to 21.Duhman0008 19:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

That's because of the source used had it at 21, although it does say "at least 21". I wouldn't be opposed to changing it though. TJ Spyke 20:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Well that must have been before THQ confirmed the launch date of their 4 Wii titles. Now that they have confirmed that Avatar, Barnyard, Cars and SpongeBob will be there on the 19th, 25 would be the appropriate number. Also, I just got off the phone with NOA, they said that although they do have Wii sports as a launch title, there's nothing mentioned if it will also be sold separately (in case somebody looses it or brakes it). But in either case, even if it's simply bundled with the system, it's still a launch title that deserves to be included in the number 26.Duhman0008 20:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Wii Sports is already counted. TJ Spyke 20:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, you or somebody else forgot to count another one because the initial total should have been 22. We currently have 26 titles confirmed for launch (including Wii Sports), now if we remove the 4 THQ titles that were confirmed later, then we should have been left with 22. Anyway, you want to make the modification or would you prefer me doing it?Duhman0008 20:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Wii Sports in Package?

Will every Wii Package come with Wii Sports? By this image: http://www.nintendoevolved.com/images/stories/general/wiibox2.jpg it seems that not every Wii Package won't have Wii Sports packed in (since it doesn't say in the box Wii Sports included). 74.111.14.37

Wii Sports IS bundled with the system, it even says so on the front of the box (there is a big "Wii Sports included" logo). It hasn't even been confirmed that those boxes seen in the pics are real. Also, I will have to check, but I don't think the launch DS boxes listed the Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt demo on the back. TJ Spyke 21:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I think that in the September announcement they mentioned that Wii Sports would be bundled with every NA Wii system. Likely Wii Sports will be included with all Wii Systems in North America. The box may or may not indicate that it is included. Though I highly doubt that Nintendo woundn't want to lure customers by telling them about the bundle. Saran81kid91 15:50, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Wii Remote and Batteries

Do we have links to confirm how many AA batteries are going to be needed per remote, and how much time this will run it? Why they didn't put a power source into it and add 15 bucks is beyond me. Nevermind. I'm an Idiot. Shanesan 06:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I wil get links tomorrow, but the Wii Remote uses 2 AA bateries and last about 30 hours. TJ Spyke 06:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

i have seen stuff on it on gamespot i think... i think it might have to do with the weight it might add ect. but i doubt nintendo would stop a thrid party recargeable battery packShinigami Josh 07:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Nyko is already making a charging stand for the Wii Remote, gamestop.com has it listed for $29.99 [13] TJ Spyke 07:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

IGN Wii Guide

I added this [14] to the external links. Frankyboy5 00:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

There is no need since there is already a link to IGN's Wii page at the bottom. TJ Spyke 00:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

The hardware numbers from the IGN guide to the Wii still haven't been confirmed by either IBM, Nintendo, or any developer with a name. I don't see why they should be in the article. There have been rather lengthy discussions on this subject already. IGN offers no source for their numbers.

This has been discussed before and it was determined to not include the IGN numbers unless they could be verified from Nintendo, IBM, ATI, or a named developer with access to the final hardware, or a named developer at all.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.6.0.7 (talk • contribs)

Sony's next gen fact sheet

Shouldn't there be info about sony's "fact" sheet. http://ps3.qj.net/lawsuit-season-2-nintendo-looking-into-suing-sony-too-/pg/49/aid/70395#commentsSuperway25 02:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I can't imagine why. --Maxamegalon2000 02:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

WarioWare: Smooth Moves releasing in January

It's being released in January, therefore it should not be in the "confirmed launch titles" section. --Andrex 06:00, 25 October 2006 (EST)

True, it's being released in January, but that's in North America. It's being released on December 2 in Japan, which is their launch date for the system. // Sasuke-kun27 22:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but this is NA launch titles. If it's worldwide, then Pokemon Battle Revolution should be there too. --Andrex 01:46, 26 October 2006 (EST)

Pokemon Battle Revolution isn't a launch title in any region. It comes out in Japan on December 14th(12 days after their launch). TJ Spyke 19:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

It is...--Ac1983fan^{(yell at me)} 19:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Ubisoft

Just ran across this like two minutes ago. Ubisoft has announced 14 titles. [15]. The note at the bottom should be changed.74.137.230.39 23:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Define USD

What is a USD? I have never heard of it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.135.54.227 (talk • contribs) .

A USD is a US dollar. Also, please Sign your posts with ~~~~, and leave new comments on the bottom of the page.--Ac1983fan^{(yell at me)} 12:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Will the Nunchuck and the Wiimote come together at the time of buying them?

Hello, I wanted to know if the nunchuck and the wiimote will be sold together or separately?

200.109.30.10 19:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Read the article. The Wii will come with 1 Wii Remote and 1 Nunchuk. Extras will be sold seperatly, with the Wii Remote beign $39.99 USD and the Nunchuk $19.99 USD. TJ Spyke 19:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok thank you, so it means that if we want to have the "complete pack" (Nunchuck + Wiimote) it all will cost around 60$ 200.109.30.10 20:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Not every game uses the Nunchuk though. Also, it's Wii Remote, Wiimote is just an irritatin nickname that the press started calling it. TJ Spyke 20:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that not every game uses it. And thanks, I won't say "Wiimote" anymore (even if it's easier to say xD) 200.109.30.10 20:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Although it is call a Wii Remote, you're free to call it whatever you wish, as long as it's not on the article page.Duhman0009 22:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Duhman is right I suppose, just like I can call the PS3 a piece of turd as long as I don't put it in the article. TJ Spyke 23:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Prices of the games

There's no information about the prices of the games, please post them as soon as possible.

200.109.30.10 19:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Thats because we don't know their final prices (except for a few choice games (like TP)). — Jaxad0127 02:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Dimensions of the box

Are there any informations about the dimensions of the Wii's box? I wonder how big it'll be since the sensor bar is a bit large... Thanks.200.109.30.10 20:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The sensor bar is only 7.87 inches long. TJ Spyke 20:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

So, could you tell me plus or less its dimensions, in your opinion?200.109.30.10 20:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

the demensions are less than 3 dvd boxes on top of each other, most likly smaller Shinigami Josh 23:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The dimensions are on the site. As for the size of the box itself, i'm not sure. TJ Spyke 00:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)