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June 27

Lack Of Latino (Specifically Mexican American) representation on Wiki

Template:Find sources notice I can't be the only one that has noticed the serious lack of Mexican American representation on Wikipedia? I could list several that are deserving. How do I go about getting a wiki page created for my favorite comedian Steve Trevino? http://www.dallasobserver.com/event/steve-trevino-8122549 http://www.cbs8.com/story/36160965/comedian-steve-trevino-listens-to-his-wife-sometimes https://www.newsobserver.com/entertainment/arts-culture/article156204859.html https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1990160/ https://www.firstorderhistorians.com/2014/07/28/7-questions-with-steve-trevino/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:B720:CD80:F0DC:377B:B2B:580C (talk) 23:12, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

• If you're going to write an article about anyone or anything, here's the steps you should follow:

1) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find. IMDB doesn't count, because it's user generated.

2) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

3) Summarize those sources from step 2, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer.

4) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.

5) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

6) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

7) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 2 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:14, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Just one tip, one triggered by this non-American seeing the title of this section - Don't use the term "Latino", and if possible avoid "Mexican American". Those terms are particular to the United States, and can be confusing to people from elsewhere. Every American seems to have their own definition of the terms, and they vary a lot. The other 95% of the world generally has no idea what you're talking about. HiLo48 (talk) 23:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

What would be ambiguous about Mexican-American? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:02, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

For starters, there's how far back in their history/ancestry the Mexican bit was. Born there? Parent born there?, Etc. Is it just Mexican "Indians", or people whose ancestors emigrated to Mexico from somewhere else? Do you differentiate between the different kinds? Then there's the issue of "Who says so?" If this Aussie became American I suppose you would call me Australian American (or is it only "real" foreigners, who don't speak English, or have dark skin, that get the double barrelled thing?) What about my kids? Their kids? Oh, and then there's my existing ancestry - bits of Scottish, French, Swedish, English, and I'm not sure what else. Where does that come in? HiLo48 (talk) 07:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I note that Alistair Cooke is described as British-American, whereas Muhammad Ali, who many would describe as African-American, is labeled American in the article. (I wouldn't doubt there could have been some debate about that.) It seems the OP's main complaint is specifically about this guy Steve Trevino. One way to get a sense of article potential is to see how many references already exist within Wikipedia. In the case of his guy, there aren't very many that I see. And that could be a problem, but not necessarily a show-stopper. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

My impression is that, while most Americans think the double barrelled labelling is a good thing, when pushed for precise definitions, and confronted with questions like mine above, lots of uncertainty and inconsistency arises. I wonder what, precisely, makes Steve Trevino a Mexican American? Is he that alone? HiLo48 (talk) 07:24, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I recall Whoopi Goldberg saying, "I've been to Africa. I'm not African, I'm American." Another example of this usage (or not) is Gloria Estefan, who was born in Cuba and is a naturalized American citizen, and hence is listed as Cuban-American. In the case of this Trevino guy, it appears he was born in Texas, so while he may be of Mexican or Latino ancestry, he would be American. The OP (who so far has just this one entry) seems to be griping mostly about the lack of an article about Trevino. I see no evidence to support the complaint of bias against Latino celebrities. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 08:28, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

What does "Latino" mean? In simple, unambiguous, unarguable terms please. HiLo48 (talk) 11:53, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Latino. But anyway you are not the first to realize that race is a social construct. The term has some meaning, but it's not "simple, unambiguous, unarguable". Staecker (talk) 12:01, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

It wasn't even obvious to me that it is a racial label. That article is not terribly helpful. (No offence to you Staecker.) It simply highlights how confusing a mess people get into when they insist on labelling others. HiLo48 (talk) 12:07, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Latino is short for latinoamericano,[1] the Spanish for "Latin American." (Feminine latinoamericana.) Latin America is pretty much everything in the western hemisphere that's south of the USA. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:10, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

So... There must be a bunch of Latin American Americans? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Bugs - geographically, your definition is fine, but it doesn't really define which people are Latinos? People born in that area? People born in the US but with ancestors from that area? How many ancestors? How far back? Etc, etc, etc HiLo48 (talk) 23:35, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

For what it's worth, this Trevino guy may be of Latino ancestry, but he was apparently born in Texas, so he's American. That doesn't mean guys like the OP won't try to lump him in with Latinos. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:44, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

However, there's George Lopez, who was born in the USA but is currently tagged as Mexican-American. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:14, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

A vast number of American-born Americans are called "Italian-American", "Jewish-American", "African-American" and the like. Why should people with Mexican heritage be any exception? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 00:21, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

There seems to be a lack of consistency or uniformity. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:36, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

June 28

Use of lotteries to get concert tickets: common outside Japan?

In Japan, it's a common practice to have lotteries just to be able to get tickets to a concert or other live event. How this works is that, from my recollection, you initially only a chance to get a ticket: just because you pay doesn't necessarily mean you'll be able to actually get a ticket. Think of buying a ticket in Japan as a lottery where the prize is the actual concert ticket, and the initial purchase does not assure the buyer of a seat. A Google search though probably can probably give a better description that I can. This by the way is not to be confused with concert ticket raffles, which are a common promotion worldwide but are basically ticket giveaways; these ones are more similar to sweepstakes.

Anyway, over in my country, such a practice in live events is pretty much non-existent, and I haven't exactly heard of similar practices in concerts in the West. So my question is: are concert ticket lotteries common outside of Japan? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:46, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Not common in the US (with occasional exceptions), where the usual practice is that the tickets are sold on a first-come-first-served basis. Often, scalpers swoop in to claim the lion's share of tickets that they resell for whatever the market will bear. I don't know if there is a law, but usually there is a limit to the number of tickets that can be sold to any individual buyer. Also, it is common for a venue to hold back some tickets for last-minute sales and/or VIP exclusivity ("I know somebody who knows somebody who can get tickets"). —2606:A000:1126:20CE:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 17:49, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

While not an explicit answer to your question, note that in many jurisdictions, anything which resembles gambling too closely tends to have more stringent regulations. Precisely how stringent varies but in some countries it may be quite difficult to run a lottery like that. See e.g. these for NZ [2] [3]. Loot box are something which have recent come under great scrutiny at least in part for those reasons, in that case not helped by the double whammy of being seen to being something often of interest to minors. Nil Einne (talk) 15:44, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Journalists doing live texts of sports games

I find it hard to even read live updates without being significantly distracted from the game itself. Do journalists use any special techniques so they can both keep a close eye on the game without missing anything and type/edit live texts, and probably also respond to readers' reactions, follow updates in parallel games, and monitor social media for related content? --Theurgist (talk) 21:22, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Maybe they're extremely extroverted (stimulation addicts) and/or work in teams with multiple phones and assign each journalist part of the workload. There used to be a call center that had to answer questions like what's the address of Montefiore Hospital? They used computers to remove the gaps between words and speed up the words to near the highest understandable pace and queue questions and by the time they heard "whatsdeadresofMonte" or "whatsdeadresofMontef" they speed-typed "Mo" or "Mon" till the hospital was on the first page of "most important things that start with "mo" in New York City", clicked address and pressed the button that hung up and played the next caller (the machine would tell them the hospital's address at normal speed and maybe ask if they had other questions). They hired extroverted stimulation addicts who wouldn't get exhausted doing this 1/3rd of their waking life. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 12:59, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Some games would be easier to cover than others. Those with individual, one-on-one actions such as cricket or baseball would be OK because there are frequent pauses between periods of play. American football has plenty of breaks. The other football codes would be tougher. And I don't know if you've ever seen netball. They never stop. HiLo48 (talk) 07:36, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Also soccer doesn't have the frequent commercial breaks that baseball and American football do (basketball too). There's 17 commercial breaks for TV ads between the 18 half-innings alone. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:48, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Soccer seems to have more breaks for acting than other sports. HiLo48 (talk) 23:00, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

[4]. American sports have flopping too. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:14, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

That stuff is a relief from the boredom of the actual game. In any case, there's plenty of time to write while the ball is soaring through the air. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:45, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

[5]. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:08, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

An animated series

I'm searching for the name of an animated children's series where two magic animals would travel medieval Europe and take part into a different Brothers Grimm fairy tale in each episode. Does anybody remember it?The Traditionalist (talk) 21:57, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Grimm Masterpiece Theatre? (on IMDb) —107.15.157.44 (talk) 22:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I was immediately thinking of Simsala Grimm (and starting to feel quite old, thank you very much), but I have no idea whether that show was actually broadcast outside of Germany. Cheers ✦ _hugarheimur 22:35, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes! It is Simsala Grimm!--The Traditionalist (talk) 23:20, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

June 29

What is the best way to get good at organ music?

I have recently been listening to some music from Klaus Wunderlich, and have been inspired to take up organ music as a hobby. Problem is, I’ve only ever had piano lessons before, and don’t quite know how to transfer my skills to organ. In particular, I haven’t used a pedalboard before and also, I’ve only worked with single manual instruments.

Also, the organs I’ve seen online from the likes of Wersi and Lowrey are far too expensive for my meagre budget. And, so I’m also faced with the problem of obtaining a suitable instrument for my pastime. And so, how do I obtain an organ to practise on for less than £1,000 budget, with a decent amount of sounds, and preferably also some draw bars for an antique Hammond type sound?

What about Hauptwerk, what could that do for me, it is a virtual organ software thing?

Thank you, Pablothepenguin (talk) 13:07, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Are there any church organs nearby that'd let you practice? I had enough time to figure out what the notes of some songs like Ave Maria were on a multi-board organ-capable synthesizer in the pew room (without asking) before they asked me to stop. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:16, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Or music schools that'd teach you for less than the cost of the organ if you're content with just acquiring the skills and not playing regularly? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:23, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Maybe there's even a place that sells organ playing time in a big enough city like London or New York lol. Manhattan has a small shop that only rents strong chess players for $2.x a game after all. Well not so strong that they don't have to make a living by playing all comers for $2 a game. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:27, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

There's also professional hustlers in the park that'll play you for $5 but it's gambling on who wins so the price is higher. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:32, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

I live in a very small town, although we do have piano teachers, I don’t think we have any organ teachers. I’d rather teach myself how to play organ. Being self taught is less stressful and easier to fit around my busy schedule. Pablothepenguin (talk) 14:35, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Also I am not interested in church organ, I’m interested in Hammond style organ instead. Pablothepenguin (talk) 14:36, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't know Hammond organs are never church organs. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:51, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Except that many gospel music churches use Hammond organs. (You get wise, you get to church).--Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:38, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Does anyone know the answer to my questions? Pablothepenguin (talk) 00:02, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes: "Practice, practice, practice." —107.15.157.44 (talk) 06:44, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Um, isn't that the whole problem? The OP wants to "Practice, practice, practice" but doesn't know how to get the tools to practice? Nil Einne (talk) 15:47, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that is correct, that is the issue I need explaining here. Pablothepenguin (talk) 21:53, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

I do not not wish to take up church organ, I am interested in the organs stylings of such folks as Klaus Wunderlich, and want to be able to make my own recordings of popular song covers and upload them to the internet. Of particular interest to me are ABBA and the Beatles. I would love to practice this kind of stuff but can’t afford an instrument to do it on. I can see things on eBay which are very cheap but are of dubious quality, I was looking for something with draw bars and an lcd screen, and a LOT of buttons, because I like having lots of buttons. Also, what organ sounds can I download off the internet which are suitable for this type of music. Hauptwerk is too classical and expensive so not suitable itself. I do have an 88 note keyboard which I can connect up to my computer. How do I get jazz organ sounds on that for covering popular music. Pablothepenguin (talk) 20:12, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Is Elton John's song where he sings "me and Suzie had so much fun" still an organ? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:31, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

What on Earth are you talking about? Pablothepenguin (talk) 22:12, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

An organ is played in "Crocodile Rock", seen at 3:17 in a performance. The Wikipedia article names singer Elton John himself as playing a Farfisa organ as well as piano, presumably by double-tracking on the recording. DroneB (talk) 23:33, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Is there any way to cheaply imitate a jazz organ on a modern PC?

I am wondering if I can use my Windows 10 laptop to cheaply imitate the Klaus Wunderlich sound? Is it possible at all to do Hammond Organ sounds this way? What about with an iOS device? Any insights would be beneficial to me. Remember, Hauptwerk is not the answer, it only does church and theatre organ sounds, I am looking for Hammond and Jazz organ sounds. Any insights?

Thank you. Pablothepenguin (talk) 22:13, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm sure there are Hammond organ software synths e.g. several are mentioned in these discussions where it's also mentioned there are plenty more [6] [7]. Also this wiki [8] which appears to be about 16 years old. One interesting thing mention in the second discussion is that for a close range live performance, emulating the Leslie speaker is difficult given the rotation but I don't know how true this is. Our article for example quotes an expert mentioning the Neo Ventilator [9] which while not simple desktop computer software, seems to be entirely digital. But the more significant points are that it probably depends entirely of what level of accuracy you're trying to achieve and what you're willing to spend.

Also I would suggest it's partly a moot point until you have the hardware sorted. You mention a keyboard above. I have next to no idea how suitable it is for trying to emulate a Hammond organ. It sounds like you don't yet have your drawbar controls or pedal board sorted. From what I can tell, these are essential elements for properly emulating a Hammond organ. [10] When you have the hardware sorted, you can start to look at software perhaps even testing different software to see if it fits your needs. It may be worthwhile doing these simultaneously in case your hardware is not compatible with your software, I would assume pedal boards and draw bars tend to follow some part of the MIDI standard but I'm not sure.

Of course sorting out the hardware will also come down significantly to the earlier factors I mentioned namely how much you're willing to spend, and what sort of accuracy you want to achieve. Notably on the accuracy point there are different possible areas of accuracy. There's how closely it emulates the sound of a hammond, but there's also how well it emulates the feel of a Hammond. For example, it's possible there is certain equipment that is more similar to what you are used to and can be used to emulate the sound of the Hammond well with training. But if this equipment is somewhat dissimilar in the way it works and feels, this may make it difficult for you to adapt to an actual Hammond or something which tries to clone it as far as possible in operation and feel if you ever want to. In addition, as mentioned in some of the discussions, what the equipment looks like could also matter to you if you plan public performance.

Ultimately you will have to decide what you want to choose based on what you find out from research and advice and knowing what you want. (From my experience with anything like this, and someone also said the same thing in one of the discussions I came across [11], asking which is the best for these sort of things tends to result just in a lot of replies from people based on their own biases, very limited experience etc.)

As for that advice and research, while maybe some expert is going to suddenly come out of no where, I think the earlier replies suggest it is unlikely. This is simply too specialised a subject that we can provide good info for. I mean sure we can search for refs, but even assessing the refs is very difficult since it's quite likely they are simply forums and that sort of thing and many of us likely know far less about music and Hammond organs than you do.

Your best bet is to visit one or more specialised forums (discussion boards, websites etc), look at existing discussions and info, then do some research on eBay or seller sites etc to find what sort of equipment you want to consider based on what is said. Then make a post in whatever discussion board seems the best fit with your list and any questions you have. If you really can't come up with a list based on the info already out there, then you could always ask without one, except the more generic a question the more likely it is to get fewer and more useless answers.

I find it fairly unlikely there isn't a lot of info out there, I mean as said the wiki I found seems to be 16 years old. And a very quick search found this admittedly not very active forum [12]. Then there are also surely many sites at least dedicated to music e.g. those earlier or [13] [14]. I mean even simple commentary is easy to find e.g. [15]).

But if you really can't find sufficient info, perhaps the best bet is to find someone with experience with Hammond organs especially cheap clones in the UK and ask them. For example, look on Youtube for people playing such things. (A quick search found a bunch, how much of it is using equipment with your budget and is sufficently accurate for your needs again your best placed to research and answer.) Or look for a music teacher somewhere else in the UK. Even if they want some small reasonable payment for their time, they are likely the best able to provide the necessary advice. The responses here thus far strongly suggest either no one here has it, or they aren't interested in providing it. I'd note a very basic question you probably need to consider is whether you really want to go down the desktop/laptop route.

As noted in some of the discussions, and I presume already known to anyone with any experience of making music on a computer, a big issue is getting sufficiently low latency. While it generally isn't impossible, it can be tricky. This is something which shouldn't arise with a standalone module except that's a lot less versatile and also if you already have a suitable computer, probably more expensive.

Nil Einne (talk) 09:51, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

BTW, I noticed there has been no mention of our article Clonewheel organ thus far. I'm not saying it's the best quality but it looks to me like it's useful to look at. If you haven't read it I'm not sure why since it's easy to find and seems a basic first step. Nil Einne (talk) 09:53, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Consider buying a Digital piano such as the Kawai CN series that I bought for piano practice and which turned out to provide at no extra cost(!) a plethora of buttons that include one that synthesizes a fairly satisfactory church organ. DroneB (talk) 15:03, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

July 3

Home Run Derby

When are the participants for the 2018 Major League Baseball Home Run Derby announced? 104.220.37.73 (talk) 07:20, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

This press release [16] from Major League Baseball says participants in the 2018 Major League Baseball All-Star Game will be announced on July 8th. Names for the Home Run derby are usually announced after that, so sometimes during the week of July 9th is the best we can say for now. Note that the Derby takes place on July 16th, the day before the All-Star Game; participants need not be members of the two All-Star teams. --Xuxl (talk) 14:17, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Why didn't Diana Dors want to work with Joseph Janni?

Our article The Big Money says "Diana Dors was originally cast as Gloria but turned down the role because she did not want to work with Joseph Janni". What were her reasons? DuncanHill (talk) 13:13, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Longest headed direct goal in soccer?

The record for the longest headed goal belongs to a Norwegian player who scored it in a club game. But in that case the ball hit the ground and continued rolling and only got into the goal because the goalkeeper was on the phone with his mom (kidding, because he'd gone too far up and the ball went above his head). But what I wanna know is, what's the longest headed goal where the ball went directly from the head of the player into the goal without it ever touching the ground, as in Vertonghen's goal against Japan on Monday. Vertonghen was not even out of the penalty area so someone must surely have done better. Thanks. Basemetal 13:52, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Film about a dating female killer

I'm looking for a movie title. In this film (crime) a woman killed few men. The killer appears on the dating advertisement. A detective posts and dating advertisement. He tries to find the female killer, who shoots the men in the head in the bed. This detective gets together with a blond woman. Doncsecz^talk 17:51, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Sea of Love? --Antiquary (talk) 20:01, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks. Doncsecz^talk 20:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

July 4

"Penny Lane" lyric

In the second line of "Penny Lane", does Paul sing "of every head he's had the pleasure to know" or "of every head he's had the pleasure to have known"? Different lyrics sites have different views on the matter, see [17] and [18]. Listening to the song itself is inconclusive [19]. Thanks, --Viennese Waltz 07:50, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

It's "to know". Here's a visual, about 2:30 in.[20] And note that "know" rhymes with "go" and "hello". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:31, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, OK, but just because he sings "to know" in that recent TV show doesn't necessarily mean he sings it in the original version, which is what I'm asking about. --Viennese Waltz 13:34, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

He appears to know the words to his own songs, and as I implied, "known" doesn't rhyme with "go" and "hello". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:37, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Documentation: Last year there was an expanded re-release of the Sgt. Pepper album. It included Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields, which were part of the Sgt. Pepper sessions but were initially released separately. The words to those songs are included, and it says "to know". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:45, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

It's very clearly "to know" in the original version. GnomeMoP (talk) 01:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

"he's had the pleasure to have known" sounds like some (presumably well-meaning) person's attempt to "improve/correct" Lennon's lyric, but it sounds nothing like anything that any mid-late 20th-century songwriter would ever write, unless forced to in order to fit a rhyme, but that's not the case here. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:57, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Why do you say "Lennon's lyric"? The song was written by McCartney. In general with Lennon and McCartney (although there are exceptions), the one who sings it is the one who wrote it. --Viennese Waltz 07:35, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Given how often I've heard "I would have liked to have done that," I disagree with Jack's assessment of implausibility. (You would have stopped enjoying the memory by now?) But it is to know. —Tamfang (talk) 06:11, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Coll's Olympic goal

I've just seen the only Olympic goal in history of World Cups and, dare I say, it's slightly underwhelming -- misjudged mishit. Who was the defender on the near post? Is it just my imagination or was he kicked by Yashin and then limped for a bit, only to succumb to the pain and ultimately prostrate? 31.217.24.65 (talk) 23:23, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

What? Olympics? World Cups? What event and what sport are we talking about? One where its fans never think of anything else, and therefore don't comprehend that readers may have other thoughts and have no idea what he's talking about? HiLo48 (talk) 23:28, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Okay at a guess this is about Lev Yashin and Association football at the 1956 Summer Olympics. There is some info here Lev Yashin#International career but there isn't really ananswer to the IPs question. There is aso a Alexei Yashin who played hochey and the terminology between the two sports is close enough that the question could be about either of them. I lean toward the first one since the football World Cup is being played at the moment. Hopefully the IP will give us a bit more detail about their question. MarnetteD|Talk 01:13, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

It seems this has nothing to do with the 1956 (or any other) Olympic Games, but rather a Group 1 game in the 1962 FIFA World Cup between Colombia and the USSR, in which Marcos Coll scored a goal directly from a corner kick past USSR goalkeeper Lev Yashin. Apparently such a feat is known as an Olympic goal in South America, for reasons explained in the article (Corner kick) that the term redirects to. (Yer learn summat new every day!) Reportedly (see his article), Coll claimed it was deliberate. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.2.31 (talk) 04:43, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Wow, you're right. Yer do learn summat new every day! Interestingly, the OP's IP address geolocates to Croatia, rather than South America. I wonder if he will be back to help confirm what you have found? HiLo48 (talk) 06:21, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

"IN HISTORY OF WORLD CUPS" is stated quite clearly. Happened in 1962 Chile WC (that's World Cup for yous). So who got kicked in frustration then? 93.140.123.232 (talk) 16:41, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

That I don't know. There is a FIFA World Cup DVD collection 1930 - 2006 that was given away free by the Daily Telegraph a few years ago, but unfortunately I don't have the disc that contains 1962 and 1966. Perhaps another editor has, and can check it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.220.213.151 (talk) 17:13, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

He doesn't get kicked. Yashin only punches him on the arm. He prostrates himself not because he's in pain, but out of the frustration to have majorly contributed to that stupid goal that would have easily been caught by Yashin if he'd only been allowed to do his job properly, as not only does he not allow Yashin to properly see the ball, when the ball arrives he gets out of the way, completely misjudging its trajectory and/or where Yashin is, instead of trying to stop it. I've rarely seen such incompetent defending. Only people playing for the other team would normally do what that idiot did. I can't see the number on his jersey. But with hard work you may be able to match his face with the face of one of the players whose number you can see at other points in the game. You could also look for news reports but I don't think this would have been reported because this is a mere detail. Basemetal 17:07, 5 July 2018 (UTC)