Template talk:Video game reviews

Request

Can Gamezebo be added to the template? They use stars for their reviews and it's a common reliable source per WP:VG/RS for casual games.Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:20, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

• UPDATE: Can 4Players also be included (they review in 0 to 100%), also a very reliable and used sourcing. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:36, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Added Gamezebo (I see we should have more mobile games coverage, this should help). 4 Players was added below. I used "Gamezebo" for the template abbreviation, but if one can come up with something better, let me know. --Masem (t) 17:13, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Request: Easy Allies

Could Easy Allies (EZA) be added to the template? The site is listed as a 'situational source' that is "useful for critical opinions". They scored videogames on a 10-point scale (using half stars) from 1 April 2016 to 5 February 2018, before switching to a 20-point scale (out of 10) after this. Reviews made for YouTube but full text versions, including the score, are published contemporaneously on their website (https://easyallies.com/#!/reviews). Fairly prolific, they've put out 35 reviews so far in 2019. They also occastionally review games that receive little coverage elsewhere (Timespinner, Little Dragons Cafe, Pixeljunk Monsters 2). Domeditrix (talk) 13:36, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Going to second this one. Good source of industry veterans. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 13:52, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I also don't see any real reason to oppose this. Does anybody have any? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 16:04, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Tentatively on board but a discussion at WP:VG/S was opened as well, I'd like that resolved first. -- ferret (talk) 16:19, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

The site has now been added to the WP:VG/S reliable sources list. (Diff.) —Domeditrix (talk) 08:04, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Added as EZA. --Masem (t) 17:12, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Request: German sources

Can someone please add

PC Games

GameStar

4Players

Eurogamer.de

to the template? GameStar and PC Games are explicitly mentioned at WP:VG/RS and 4Players was discussed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources/Archive_20#4players.de. Eurogamer.de is the German sister site of Eurogamer and thus presumably equally reliable. Regards SoWhy 10:28, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

How many times will they be used? Remember, this template is not to be used to document all reviews, but maybe 5 or 6 + aggregator scores, and I cannot see many cases where there are so few quality reviews in English to require need of the Germany sites that otherwise can't use the "other" parameters. --Masem (t) 13:38, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't see this as particularly valid rationale. We should support all sources that appear on the VGRS list which also provide numerical ratings. If we want to limit the number of sources displayed, that's a different issue entirely. --Izno (talk) 16:22, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

There is a fair number of games, especially from Germany and Europe, that are almost exclusively covered in those sources, especially PC Games and GameStar. For example, SpellForce 3: Soul Harvest has not a single US review that I could find despite being a major release. I agree with Izno that the ease of having access to display these sources should not be conflated with the desire to limit the amount displayed which can be handled by the MoS (e.g. by giving preference to English sources where they exist). Regards SoWhy 18:25, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

I just want to make sure that we aren't adding fields that only get used less than ~dozen times across all uses of this template on WP. I'll accept that there are games more EU-centric that fail to get much US coverage for these to be usable sites. --Masem (t) 18:54, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

I understand that concern but I think there are sufficient articles that would benefit. I can think of three I wrote off the top of my head alone. Regards SoWhy 19:33, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

PC Games definitely gets used quite often, I get a link notification in what feels like every 2nd day (I am the creator). And GameStar has a reach which is comparable to the other "big" US game mags/pages; I have seen them getting used on quite some articles here too. Additionally as SoWhy noted there are also quite some (relevant) games which only receive marginally if any attention from the English sources; the Petroglyph games (8-Bit Armies, 8-Bit Hordes etc.) are some other examples. So I think adding these sources to the template could be helpful. Dead Mary (talk) 20:38, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

To both above - if you can vouch that we'll get a fair number of uses out of these, I see no problems, then. Just decide on a decent abbreviation for each. For example, I'd recommend "EUROGDE" for eurogamer.de, etc. to be consistent. --Masem (t) 20:50, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

I'd suggest PCG for PC Games (since PC Gamer needs specification whether it's UK or US, it should not be confusable), GStar for GameStar and 4P for 4Players. Regards SoWhy 06:42, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

If we include Eurogamer.de, we should also include the other regional Eurogamer outlets, like Eurogamer.fr and Eurogamer.pl. Lordtobi (✉) 19:07, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

We would still prefer the use of the English Eurogamer when it exists, right? Similar to our WP:NONENGEL guideline. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 22:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

That depends. If reviews from regional outlets (e.g. for games from that region) are better or more expansive than the English-language one, we could use that instead. However, it would kind of feel redundant to include both an English and a non-English Eurogamer-branded review, even if they are independent from one another (except for their employer and policy). Lordtobi (✉) 06:05, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

I see no problem with using both as sources for the article but for the review box, we could append Template:Video game reviews/doc#Guidelines to say that English variants should be preferred where available. Regards SoWhy 06:38, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

This is what I prefer. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:10, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

I have added 4 Players, GameStar, and PC Games using the suggestions above. For Eurogamer, we need to decide a code terminology for that. --Masem (t) 17:08, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Could we use an alternative code for PC Games? I can already imagine how many people will mistakenly use this for PC Gamer. Maybe PCGDE or PCGS? Lordtobi (✉) 20:23, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Maybe PCGames? (I know then we have PCGUS and PCGUK, this would be a bit more clear? --Masem (t) 18:14, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Request: VG247

VG247 will now do reviews. Already a standard RS, don't see why they would not be appropriate for reviews. Easy enough |VG247= for the template. --Masem (t) 15:25, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

• Support, I see no reason to oppose this. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 15:37, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Support, seems reasonable. While we are at it, may I remind about my request in the section above? If you are already changing the template that is, you could add those as well Regards SoWhy 15:51, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

If there's no other comments in the negative on this by tomorrow, I'll add this and at least the 3 non-Eurogamer ones above you have suggested. I think we need more clarity on the add'l EG sites. --Masem (t) 21:56, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Added as promised. --Masem (t) 17:09, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Request: Hardcore Gamer

Kind of surprised it wasn't already on the template by now. Reviews games from 1 to 5. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:05, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Pinging the users that posted here Masem, Lordtobi, Dissident93, SoWhy. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:16, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Support since it also is a VG/RS. Suggestion of "HCGamer" as the code? --Masem (t) 19:24, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

"HCG" should be fine as well. -- ferret (talk) 19:34, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

I agree with the HCG name proposal of ferret. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:38, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Their official shorthand is "HG", which we could use also. The only other entry with H is Hyper, so this is unambiguous. Lordtobi (✉) 19:42, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

I'll let this float for about a day and unless there are serious objections, will add then. Looks like either HCG or HG, I think the former would be more clear for those editing a use of the template after the fact. --Masem (t) 19:43, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

No worries! I was expanding Dance Central Spotlight which led me to finding a HG/HCG review of it that I couldn't add normally to the table, which led me here. Thanks for the fast responses. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:45, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Added as HCG. --Masem (t) 18:13, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Request: Slant Magazine

Can Slant Magazine be added to the template? They use stars for their reviews (1 to 5) and it's a reliable source. They review video games regularly: Slant Magazine games reviews Tiger Trek (talk) 08:59, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Pinging the users that posted here Masem, Lordtobi, Dissident93, SoWhy, Jovanmilic97. Tiger Trek (talk) 06:39, 21 October 2019 (UTC)