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twitter discussion that might be of interest on this page

https://twitter.com/arambaut/status/1216026183118344196 JuanTamad (talk) 23:59, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Paper on this virus asks for assistance in editing

Evolution of the novel coronavirus from the ongoing Wuhan outbreak and modeling of its spike protein for risk of human transmission from SCIENCE CHINA Life Sciences.Since I am not a medical major and my English is not good, I ask other colleagues for help.Ask wikis who are good at related fields to make appropriate additions based on the content of the paper contained in this source. Thank you.--舞月書生👉☎️👈∮Strive to be a good Wikipedians. 18:22, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

• •  Remark:: from this paper,I find GISAID:CoV2020,but I can't add it in wikidata.--舞月書生👉☎️👈∮Strive to be a good Wikipedians. 18:22, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

It is a subscription link, it would be good were papers published openly at this particular time and then a "cite journal" ref link can be added as is normal for scientific/medical papers. An editor cannot seek to rely on a link they cannot read. Wikimucker (talk) 20:15, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Add an article about Wuhan virus in Journal of Medical Virology ：Homologous recombination within the spike glycoprotein of the newly identified coronavirus may boost cross‐species transmission from snake to human(Wiley

biorxiv)，Note that this is an unpublished version。--舞月書生👉☎️👈∮Active at zh.wikipedia, strive to be a good Wikipedian. 00:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

rename - Wuhan coronavirus

Hi, propose we rename this using the common name that seems to have taken in the press. WSJ, CNN, NYT all following term Wuhan coronavirus. Note Wuhan is a location in China that seems to be primarily associated with its origin.

• https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/21/health/wuhan-coronavirus-first-us-case-cdc-bn/index.html
• https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/health/cdc-coronavirus.html
• https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-virus-kills-two-more-patients-as-authorities-step-up-control-measures-11579614626

@DocJames: would this move be per policy? Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 20:38, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

• @Jtbobwaysf: some of this was discussed here. As I said there, "novel coronavirus" is just a placeholder name. I agree "Wuhan coronovirus" is more descriptive. The virus will likely not receive a formal name for a while, and then the article will need to be moved again then. --Nessie (📥) 00:12, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• @Jtbobwaysf: This is a copycat discussion, we already have a official proposal. Anyways, I strongly oppose the renaming because I believe that this move will not follow the Wikipedia Policy, because in my opinion, "Wuhan coronavirus" does not follow the Article title policy rule points of both "precision" and "conciseness". This is because the Wuhan coronavirus is new and not popular yet, so it does not have a popular name yet, and can easily be confused with other viruses, so it is unspecific and can be ambiguous, not following "precision". This also means that the title does not follow "conciseness", because there can be other "Wuhan coronavirus"-es for the same reason, because the virus is new and not popular yet, so the article will need to be changed again if there is another "Wuhan coronavirus". "Wuhan coronavirus" or even "Wuhan virus" is not even a popular phrase used in casual speaking yet, so the name of the virus may changed, as quote from the CDC website of January 22nd, 2020 (Pacific Time), this is a "rapidly evolving situation" and the title may change just as quickly as it rapidly evolves. 75.52.95.136 (talk) 00:37, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@NessieVL: is there an official naming policy? Or at wikipedia do we just use what the RS are using? Jtbobwaysf (talk) 06:44, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

@Jtbobwaysf: in WikiProject Viruses, we usually go by what ICTV uses. But this is not officially a species yet, so i think we go with WP:COMMONNAME. --Nessie (📥) 12:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

@Jtbobwaysf: Yes, there is an official naming policy for article titles. The link was given at the official discussion in this talk page as of January 23, 2020, 4:13P.M. in the dialog box at the top of the discussion. It says that the discussion should talk about the points given in the Article title policy at "Wikipedia:Article titles", which are that the title has to be/have "Recognizable", "Naturalness", "Precision", "Conciseness", and "Consistency". I believe that "Wuhan coronavirus" breaks both precision and conciseness. 75.52.95.136 (talk) 00:37, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@NessieVL: seems is it going to be called Wuhan Coronavirus, and today I was seeing it called WARS (Wuhan Acute Respiratory Syndrome.) Probably we should move the article to something the press is using. Nobody is using this Novel Coronavirus. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 14:29, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

@Jtbobwaysf: I suggest you start the formal process at WP:RMCM because of the related discussion and the high amount of interest in this article. Also Wuhan coronavirus exists as a redirect and we'd need some help with that part --Nessie (📥) 15:11, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

@Jtbobwaysf: I dont think it shoukd be called "Wuhan coronavirus" or "Wuhan Coronavirus", as it is unprofessional and ambiguous and vague. I also don't agree with calling the virus "WARS (Wuhan Acute Respiratory Syndrome.)" because a different name could be given to the virus instead, and may make rare unnoticed symptoms that may change its nature enough to give it a new name. This is because I believe that this is, quote from the CDC website, a "rapidly evolving situation" as of January 23, 2020 (Pacific Time), and the proposals for the name may change drastically, as this is a new virus and hasn't gained a huge amount of popularity yet in common social culture.

Also, according to the CDC website on the new coronavirus from Wuhan, the human-to-human interactions are not clearly explained yet, so this is an unknown that I believe could greatly influence the name of the virus, because of the "Acute" part of "Wuhan Acute Respiratory Syndrome", as this may be long term, and the virus could have started way earlier and the supposed "Patient Zero" may have been late to report.

By the way, I also think "Snake flu" is an unprofessional, unconcise, and vague name used by news articles to grab readers to read their article and make a little money to subscribe to their news. 75.52.95.136 (talk) 00:37, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I believe people are also starting to call it "Snake flu" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.27.170.66 (talk) 21:13, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 22 January 2020

Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) → Wuhan Coronavirus – Widespread use in top shelf sources Jtbobwaysf (talk) 17:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Here are a few sources that are using it Note Wuhan is a location in China that seems to be primarily associated with its origin. CNN, NYT, WSJ Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 18:52, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Amend proposal to move to Wuhan coronavirus per obvious capitalization error. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 19:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support Although the CDC and WHO seem to still be calling it Novel, it does look like a majority of news websites are using Wuhan - a couple more examples of its use: NPR, Business Insider, The Guardian, so it looks like Wuhan is turning into the more common term. Lcodyh803 (talk) 18:27, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Move to Wuhan coronavirus - The c should be lowercase. "novel coraonavirus" is a placeholder name, and not an official name by any stretch. --Nessie (📥) 19:03, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• No Support: change article name to "Wuhan pneumonia". TFSA (talk) 19:15, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Not Support, I propose to name it as "XiaodongWang Coronavirus", the governor of Hubei province, whose group do nothing but keeping the virus spread countrywide.
• Support The term "novel coraonavirus" is just a placeholder due to the fact that it is a new strain: "Wuhan coraonavirus" is both being widely used, as above, and is more likely to endure as a name. MadameButterflyKnife talk 19:54, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

You're correct that this is just a placeholder. However, viruses never have a place name in them, so it's not going to stick. If we did this, it would just need to be changed again.Mvolz (talk) 20:01, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

@Mvolz: that’s not true at all, go to ICTV and you’ll find many many species of viruses named after places. --Nessie (📥) 22:25, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

I agree "never" was a bit too strong (Although not to put too fine a point on it, but this is a strain of virus, not a species- strain names tend to have the name of the disease it causes, the antigens that make it different from other strains, the name of an animal if it's epizoontic) That said, it's still very unlikely for it to be named Wuhan coronavirus exactly, so the point still stands :). Mvolz (talk) 09:44, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose We should use the placeholder name until virologists give it a new name. Otherwise we'll just have to move it again. A redirect to here from Wuhan coronavirus is appropriate. Mvolz (talk) 20:01, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

CDC is calling it "2019 Novel Coronavirus, Wuhan, China" see [1]. If you want to be strict and follow CDC, why not use that? Jtbobwaysf (talk) 20:08, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

That's not the name of the strain, that's the title of the webpage. In that page they don't name it at all, they just call it "a novel corona virus." The WHO spells it out for us: "This new virus was temporarily named “2019-nCoV.”"

• See also: Talk:2019–20 outbreak of novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV)#Requested move 16 January 2020. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 22:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support It will be easier to search for and distinguish with the common name. The only thing is thing is the C in coronavirus should not be capitalized. TheMemeMonarch (talk) 02:14, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
• OK with Wuhan coronavirus, but maybe Coronavirus 2019-nCoV would also be a good choice if it hasn't really been named yet? Dicklyon (talk) 05:50, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
• Strongly Oppose I, an anonymous user, strongly oppose changing the title of the article to any form of the phrase, "Wuhan Coronavirus", including but not limited to "Wuhan coronavirus" or "Wuhan virus". I have three reasons why it should not be changed.

First of all, the phrase, "Wuhan coronavirus", is an unprofessional and rudimentary name.

I strongly believe that the article's title should not be changed because it is not a news article. "Wuhan coronavirus" sounds unprofessional, and if this is a formal encyclopedia, then you should have a more professionial name. Also, there may be multiple "Wuhan coronavirus"-es. This is very general and vague and not specific. News headlines only use "Wuhan coronavirus" to summarize the place and to catch readers, so I think that this is a factual encyclopedia with a specific and non vague fairly scientific name. "Wuhan corona virus sounds very rudimentary. Wuhan is just to identify the event and where it started! A scientific name is better, so I oppose! It is very unprofessional! Secondly, "Wuhan coronavirus" is likely to be changed again, due to its unofficial name format (nomenclature), both scientifically and socially.

Also, like Mvolz said, viruses should not officialy have a place name, so it will need to be changed again. We need to limit the amount of changes to this article, as multiple changes can also confuse readers. Also NessieVL, even though you will find "many many species" of viruses named after places, "Wuhan coronavirus" sounds very unprofessional, and I dont think virus names have two English words. So Dicklyon, in my opinion, I believe that changing the name would not be a good choice if it has not been named yet, because then the title would need to be changed twice, wasting time and effort and energy that could have been used in something else. Lastly, Redirecting can be used instead, to redirect from "Wuhan coronavirus" into the main real page.

I also agree with Mvolz in a redirect for the search term, "Wuhan coronavirus", because a more professional name would suit the article better, and may enhance Wikipedia's reputation in terms of its element of professionality. Also, I disagree with TheMemeMonarch because only a redirected is needed. I really wonder if people here take redirects into consideration.

Please take my opinion into consideration even though I am anonymous. Thanks! By the way, I am exercising the "be bold" saying, and trying to be helpful to people and not vandalize. I have tried to rebuke all of the "Support" bullet points, and tried to support the "Oppose" points. 10:56 P.M., January 22 2020 75.52.95.136 (talk) 06:57, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose and leave as is, at least until until dust settles, for reasons mentioned by Mvolz and75.52.95.136. Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) IS the authoritative description used all by English speaking/publishing relevant medical entities at this time (WHO, ECDC, CDC etc). People will find info they need as is because of redirect.--Wuerzele (talk) 09:15, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Strongly Oppose We have a redirect from Wuhan Coronavirus already. The correct medical name should be used. However there is a separate wiki article named "Wuhan Coronavirus Outbreak" which is correctly named. Wikimucker (talk) 18:46, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Support It’s the common name for this virus. My only quibble is that coronavirus shouldn’t be capitalized.

As a comparison, the Spanish flu article currently uses the common name instead of the technical name (1918 flu pandemic). Apparently page views for that article increased significantly when the name was changed to the common name. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:28, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose, even the dumbass "science reporters" in the media know that a name will be generated by the proper medical authorities and are holding off on using a common name. Abductive (reasoning) 22:44, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose There is no reason to change the name from the current medical terminology. If this terminology changes, then we should reconsider a name change. There is no reason to overrule medical terminology because a couple journalists found 2019-nCov too confusing a term. Acebulf (talk) 00:53, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support This is the common name of the virus. It is more recognizable than the current official name of the virus. PCelestia (talk) 01:37, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• Ambivalence But one argument against that I would like to counter is that the current title should be kept because it seems more "professional"; this thinking goes against WP:COMMONNAME, which suggests this article should use whatever name settles as the standard name, even if that name is different to it's WHO designation. Also note that the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak article has been renamed. People may be interested to see the talk page there. Ypna (talk) 04:49, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• Strongly Oppose This is a scientifically based article for all information regarding the (yet to be named) Novel coronavirus. The article should retain its title because
  

1. It is currently the name adopted by WHO, CDC and NCBI.
2. Names used by News media are for delivering information to the general public and do not reflect the proper taxonomic name used by virologists
3. To answer Blaylockjam10, the Spanish flu article refers to the pandemic event of 1918. The article regarding the virus itself uses its scientific name (Influenza A virus subtype H1N1). Similarly, the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak article reflects the event, whereas this article should continue to use Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) until the WHO confirms its taxonomy. --Neodymium123 (talk) 05:38, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment. There's a longstanding preference not to name viruses after populated locations, because of the perceived associated stigma. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:42, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Relevant quote from a plos blog: "Nomenclature is still up in the air. The first name, “2019-nCoV” for “novel coronavirus first seen in 2019,” is descriptive but not easy to remember. “Wu Flu” isn’t correct – it’s not a flu virus, nor is “Wuhan SARS” quite right because the new pathogen’s genome isn’t exactly like that of SARS. I’ll call it the Wuhan coronavirus until the World Health Organization decides on a name. WHO avoids places in disease names to avoid stigma, although I don’t see the Rocky Mountains suffering from lack of visitors due to the spotted fever that takes it’s name (which isn’t viral, but still)." Mvolz (talk) 16:15, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Relevant quote from a newspaper article: "None of these is likely to be the virus’ or the disease’s permanent name. They almost certainly would be unacceptable to the Chinese, and to the World Health Organization, which discourages the use of place names in the naming of diseases." Mvolz (talk) 16:18, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Edit protection of some kind

I've been kind of keeping an eye on this page throughout the day,and I've noticed some light vandalism. its probably a good idea to get some kind of edit protection going. - T — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6007:46:4551:8B4F:5C74:9DB2 (talk) 05:23, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support I support this, because according to Wikipedia, since popular news articles are a major target, administrative protection should be given. 75.52.95.136 (talk) 00:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support I have seen some foul language here in the talk page already, and I haven't even read the article yet. PCelestia (talk) 01:44, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@2001:558:6007:46:4551:8B4F:5C74:9DB2: I tried to get something through; Semi-protection just has too much colateral damage (contructive IP editors cannot edit). N0nsensical.system^(err0r?)_(.log) 12:09, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Incubation period

Can we add the information on the exact (or maybe the longest) duration of the flu incubation period? You know, the time since a person was infected by the bacteria until he/she is confirmed to have the flu and must be treated immediately at the hospital. Must be from highly reliable medical-related sources. Chongkian (talk) 09:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

You are right Chongkian but since it is a new virus/disease, the incubation period might be unknown to scientists, doctors, etc. I am not so sure about this as I am not a professional. But it's only my assumption. Sarthakdangol (talk) 14:57, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Xinhua News Agency (official Chinese state-run press agency) has reported that the longest incubation period of the disease is about 14 days. It also seems to be the number quoted on Chinese Wikipedia. Xinhua also mentions that judging from the experience with SARS and MERS, the incubation period may not be contagious.

Survival time of virus outside animal or man body?

Is there any knowledge about the survival time of the virus outside of the animal or human body? It is important to know if for deciding if I can reuse my mask or I can enter a room in which an infected (or probably infected) person was.

They have deciphered the virus, so I think they are making tests of this kind because this is highly important. 09:09, 23 January 2020 (UTC)~ You are right but since it is a new virus/disease, the time might be unknown to scientists, doctors, etc. I am not so sure about this as I am not a professional. But it's only my assumption.

For SARS I just checked it was 24 hours living time outside human / animal body. 130.92.100.253 (talk) 20:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Source of virus - snakes

There's some twitter traffic among virologists about the phylogeny. Probably not snakes, probably bats. May want to edit that section. JuanTamad (talk) 12:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi Protection Request 24 Jan

Can this page be semi protected and perhaps brought under the watchful eye of an Admin with a science background who understands the difference between news and scientific research. ???? It has the potential to cause fake news issues in the current circumstances. Wikimucker (talk) 15:01, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@Wikimucker:  Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. That said, articles are typically only protected if they've seen heavy and continued vandalism from multiple users. Preemptive semi-protection isn't usually done. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 15:20, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Elhef Thanks for all that but I would point out that a lot of outbreak news is still coming in here thick and fast and really this article should be a science/medicine one with proper citations and relatively little outbreak news to clutter it up. Wikimucker (talk) 15:34, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Treatment

Something like targeted chemo or radiotherapy could be used as treatment (I understand that this is over the top but I think that it still warrants putting some more information in the Treatment section). I read a news report on it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aerq4byr7ps) and they say flu antivirals have been tested but I don't know if broad-spectrum antivirals been tested on it yet, and if not perhaps the treatment section should be updated. 2A00:23C5:E41E:1200:D17A:344D:30C7:DA34 (talk) 15:25, 24 January 2020 (UTC)