Talk:Black Lives Matter

Seperate page for the social movement?

This page mainly discusses the activist organization known as "Black Lives Matter", but there exists a broader social movement that exists around the slogan "black lives matter". I recently wrote a separate article with sources detailing the separate broader movement, but it was deleted because the editor believed the information was already here. Organizations and social movements typically have separate pages on Wikipedia, for example the page Black Panther Party is separate from the page Black Power movement even though they are related. Should we make a Black Lives Matter movement page for the larger social movement and all its intricacies?Mangokeylime (talk) 17:02, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree that there should be separate pages about Black Lives Matter as a social movement and Black Lives Matter as the network of activist organizations. The lead to this article states that Black Lives Matter is a social movement, but the infobox and the bulk of the article are about the (network of) activist organizations. There are continuing confusions throughout; for example, there is a section on the Movement for Black Lives' statement on Israel, which would be better placed in the page of the Movement for Black Lives organization. The page as it stands now muddles rather than clarifies the multiple uses of the term "Black Lives Matter". Kumar (talk) 14:57, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

There have been many recent edits to this page, many of which removed the history of the organization pre #Blacklivesmatter to include its original founders and the organizations startup in the late 1990s (https://psmag.com/news/the-past-present-and-future-of-the-black-lives-matter-network). Additionally, there is an absence of links to the other # movements that #Blacklivesmater and #BlacklivesmatterDC have stated are a part of the #Blacklivesmatter movement such as #Defundthepolice. According to not just the leaders but the organizations press releases #defundthepolice IS #Blacklivesmatter and cannot be addressed separately (https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/06/03/black-lives-matter-co-founder and #blacklivesmatterDC twitter). Why were these relevant attributes of the organization allowed to be deleted? 96.18.201.232 (talk) 06:30, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2020

Footnote/source #54 is a dead link and needs to be updated or removed. 173.61.193.159 (talk) 18:47, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: See WP:KDL. If somebody wishes to fix it they are free to do so, but simply because it's a dead link is no reason to remove it. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Lead saying that Black Lives Matter has disappeared

Why is this in the lead? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:36, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

There's no such text in the lead AFAICS... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:41, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

The lead ends with this garbage: "By the summer of 2017, the movement was getting significantly less attention, which some people attribute to Donald Trump's presidency dominating national headlines." Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

I have removed this content (cited to a single 2017 source) as dated and, in any case, not lead-worthy. If anyone believes that it should be in the lead, then they can come to this talk page and make their case. Thanks, Neutrality^talk 19:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Civil rights activists disagree among each other about tactics – why is this in the lead?

Every single movement will have actors that disagree with the tactics used, in particular in rather decentralized movements such as this one. Why is this mentioned in the lead? By giving such prominent placement, it seems to serve the purpose of suggesting to readers that BLM is highly divisive among civil rights activists. As far as I can tell, the text is covered in two sentences in the body of the article, and only mentions four individuals who have expressed disagreement over some tactics used. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

As far as I can see, there's a whole section on this... Please don't be an annoyance. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:52, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

? There are two sentences about black civil rights leaders disagreeing with some of the tactics of BLM. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:58, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Black Lives Matter

I've created WikiProject Black Lives Matter for interested editors. Thanks, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:06, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2020

Does not have any references to the cops shot because of the black lives matter protests this last week. Source: https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/las-vegas-police-identify-officer-shot-during-protest-2041743/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/01/george-floyd-protests-trump-black-lives-matter-minneapolis-usa/ Pyrojkl (talk) 20:10, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: I'm sure it's listed at the proper page, which is not this one. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Use of the word "alleged" referring to St. Louis police brutality

The word "alleged" usually implies some sort of dubiousness to the claim. I believe there should be a citation here, and the word "alleged" removed. What thoughts does everyone else have? I'd be bold but I feel it would be better if someone who, a) lived in St. Louis, or b) wasn't white, or both, chimed in, as I'm out of my bailiwick. DancingGrumpyCat^talk | ze/zir or she/her) 02:27, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2020

You do not mention at all the LGBTQ goals that are a big part of the BLM core beliefs. 98.113.133.16 (talk) 14:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:56, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2020

As of June 2020, all 50 states and 18 countries have protested for Black Lives Matter making it the largest civil rights movement in history. 107.77.206.220 (talk) 16:01, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. TheImaCow (talk) 16:12, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

To hyphenate or not?

African-Americans or African Americans? What is the consensus? I must confess that I hadn't noticed the hyphenated version being so prevalent here... The African American article inconsistently uses both (why is the title not African-American)? Kingoflettuce (talk) 16:11, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2020

Also a terrorist organization that promotes violence and continues hatred against all other non black cultures. 104.32.158.210 (talk) 16:50, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:56, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2020

I would like add a section on the corporation that currently donate to black lives matters including the W K Kellog Foundation and Ford Foundation. Ansu Mastu (talk) 00:49, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: ​Please show a "draft" of what you would want in that section. {{replyto|Can I Log In}}'s talk page! 00:55, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2020

The use of BLM is inappropiate as that acronym is and has always been used by the Bureau of Land Management. I am offend by Black lives matter using the acronym. Please stop the reference. 2600:100E:B132:F00B:2E8D:18AE:2460:A8EB (talk) 17:45, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: We don't change things based on editors' feelings of offense when there's no reasonable cause EvergreenFir (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

The use of BLM has caused conflict in searching, was conducting research on the police shooting of Robert "LaVoy" Finicum as part of the Occupy action in Oregon in 2016. BLM is the official abbreviation used by the Bureau of Land Management in the United States of America and is referenced consistently on the wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Land_Management . Failure to allow this to be addressed would be a rather large failure of moderator responsibility. 96.18.201.232 (talk) 06:19, 7 June 2020 (UTC) EDIT: Perhaps change it to (#BLM) ?

What? BLM is a disambiguation page. Anyone searching the term will be taken there and they can choose the meaning they're looking for. It creates no conflicts it include the abbreviation here. There is nothing to change unless you mean we should remove the abbreviation from the article entirely which would be ridiculous.  EvergreenFir (talk) 06:30, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2020

Nowhere on the page is a reference to the connection of Black Lives Matter (BLM) and #defundthepolice. Per the organization itself, the two movements are not separable as #BLM created #defundthepolice and applied the pressure for responses from political leaders in 2020. (https://blacklivesmatter.com/defundthepolice/ or https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/06/03/black-lives-matter-co-founder). There should be attribution to this and perhaps even merging wiki.Defund the Police with wiki.Black Lives Matter page. 96.18.201.232 (talk) 04:12, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:32, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2020

Request to remove the two paragraphs in the "United Kingdom" section, specifically these two :

"In London, after it was defaced a few days earlier,[233] protestors defaced the Statue of Winston Churchill, Parliament Square, Westminster with graffiti for a second time. Black spray paint was sprayed over his name and the words "was a racist" were sprayed underneath.[234] A protestor also attempted to burn the Union Jack Flag flying at the Cenotaph, a memorial to Britain’s war dead.[235] Later in the evening violence broke out between protestors and Police. A total of 49 Police Officers were injured after demonstrators threw bottles and fireworks at them.[236]

Over the weekend, a total of 135 arrests were made by Police.[237] British Prime Minister Boris Johnson commented on the events saying "those who attack public property or the police – who injure the police officers who are trying to keep us all safe – those people will face the full force of the law; not just because of the hurt and damage they are causing, but because of the damage they are doing to the cause they claim to represent.[238] "

REASON:

The impression is strongly given that these have been included merely for reasons of political bias and/or to provide skewed negative associations, as they are completely irrelevant and have absolutely nothing to do with the subject ("Black Lives Matter") which the article is about. Vandalism and the other petty crimes mentioned were not sanctioned by the protest movement and are in any case not particularly unusual events, and unlike the Colston statue issue in Bristol, in this case did not have greater symbolic or public significance or effect. It would be more useful, interesting and informative if the article had included, for instance, information on the number of protesters and some of their demands.

The comments of the Prime Minister given here are also completely irrelevant to the subject. If he should be included at all, the relevant part of his speech, ommitted for unknown/questionable reasons, is where he says "“You are right, we are all right, to say Black Lives Matter; and to all those who have chosen to protest peacefully and who have insisted on social distancing – I say, yes of course I hear you, and I understand.'".

SpurredByLove (talk) 08:19, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2020

black lives matter

People is people no race change who we are I am a coloured girl speaking for every one I'm only 13 turn 14 no white or coloured race is perfect so why are you just killing black people we are supposed to be under the cops protection not endangered by them the are supposed to be protecting us not harming us I mean the presedent of the United states Donald Trump has nothing to do than stand infront of a church with a Bible Donald Trump you are supposed to know from right and wrong people is counting on you but you not doing your job you are just making yourself a joke something tells me you love being one if not change and show people you can be a better person — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.113.140.64 (talk) 20:28, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

This is not a forum for discussion of the topic. You can help by finding and providing links to professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources] about the movement. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:36, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Politicians and corporations coming around to BLM

Please include a section or paragraph in the article giving for instance the example of Nancy Pelosi espousing All Lives Matter as recently as last year ( https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/policing/2019/01/07/nancy-pelosi-black-lives-matter-federal-prisons-sexual-assault-police-killings/2500021002/ ), as one example of politicians who have "evolved" or changed their stance on this (flip-flopped when it was politically popular, but obviously keep that analysis out for the sake of NPOV). Pelosi and other Democrats, and even Mitt Romney are now doing nice little theatrics pretending to believe that Black Lives Matter -- espousing the slogan. However, these examples, along with all the other politicians and major multinational corporations going from treating the issue as political poison to cashing in on it to earn some Twitter points, should be discussed in the article. 66.169.133.247 (talk) 02:37, 10 June 2020 (UTC)