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The proud boys is not a neo fascist group. it is no more then a drinking club. 89.160.152.82 (talk) 18:35, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Care to provide a source for that? You also did not at all follow the template above.Beach drifter (talk) 19:13, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Grayfell (talk) 19:54, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/08/fbi-says-proud-boys-are-not-an-extremist-group-after-all/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.143.67.185 (talk) 13:51, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Removing uncredible citations

Please remove content where huffpost is the citing entity. This is not a credible source and is an anti conservative outlet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.143.67.185 (talk) 13:54, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: That is not a valid change request. Simonm223 (talk) 15:41, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Biased editing?

I'm curious as to why this page continues to be reverted back to a version in which Gavin's political description is based off of op-eds and other opinion pieces, when he himself states otherwise. Shouldn't this page apply to the same guidelines as others? It comes off at an admin/editor bias, so I feel that we should all discuss this. ACtheAvantGarde (talk) 17:08, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ACtheAvantGarde, we call these things sources. Guy (help!) 17:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently you're not reading these sources. Op-eds do not trump actual statements and personal claims. There's a lot of "far-right" talk, when in fact, he's done nothing but disassociate himself with the alt-right. What are other admin's opinions on this matter? Obviously the offender is doing to defend themselves, so what do other think? I'm my opinion, this doesn't exactly follow Wiki's guidelines in terms of being fair and factual. ACtheAvantGarde (talk) 21:02, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is not exclusively op-eds which describe him this way. Per sources, he's done plenty to earn this label, and Wikipedia isn't a platform for public relations or spin. Grayfell (talk) 21:12, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removed "far right" reference as it is incompatible with McInnes having mixed race children. How can you be far right and also be married to an ethnic minority? Ridiculous accusation. S.Staines (talk) 14:16, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced it because we go by what the sources say, not the opinion of editors. Doug Weller talk 14:44, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What sources? There is no reference beside that statement. You must provide a source in order to claim "we go by what the sources say". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.228.254.39 (talk) 07:43, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this in mind when providing the reference too: Wikipedia:Verifiability

Oxford comma

Could someone please add an Oxford comma to this sentence:

In 2018, McInnes was banned from Twitter, Facebook and Instagram for violating terms of use related to promoting violent extremist groups and hate speech. FollowTheSources (talk) 00:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Major whitewashing attempt

An editor is attempting to make major changes to the article which have the effect of whitewashing it, contrary to the reliably sourced material currently there. For instance, the "far-right" descriptor is removed, and the Proud Boys are described as a "fraternal organization". The edit is also edit warring (against three editors, two of whom are admins) to keep the material in the article. This section has been opened so that the editor can make their argument as to why these POV edits should be accepted. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:42, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please provide evidence for your wild accusations. Not in the spirit of collaboration whatsoever. Which user are you referring to? The Proud Boy definition is from their website, which is more reliable source than an opinion piece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by S.Staines (talk • contribs) 18:51, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see that editor will be away for a week. Doug Weller talk 18:57, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When they return, perhaps they'll be willing to listen to various policies and such. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:02, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Beyond My Ken, A dollar says not. Guy (help!) 22:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Terrible Lede

A mess of subjunctive and subordinate clauses and passive sentences, like "he followed Vice which he also founded." Gonna try to fix and appreciate the help. --FeldBum (talk) 21:47, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fixing the grammar is great, but please don't lose any facts or references when you do. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:54, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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