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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 26, 2020.

Urdu Bazaar (Lahore)

• Urdu Bazaar (Lahore) → Anarkali Bazaar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no indication that Anarkali Bazaar is known as Urdu Bazaar. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:16, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

• Keep According to Google Maps they are the same place.[1] -- Toddy1 (talk) 05:30, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

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Paycheck to paycheck

• Paycheck to paycheck → Working poor  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm not sure this is the best target for this redirect. Paycheck to paycheck is more of a lifestyle. There are some rich people that live paycheck to paycheck. Interstellarity (talk) 15:11, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – This is true. Many people living paycheck to paycheck or middle or upper-middle class, who have expenses for mortgages they can't afford, university tuition for children, or consumer debt related to "keeping up with the Joneses". I saw a report on the PBS NewsHour. I think they used a term related to lack of savings for emergencies. What articles with that theme are possibilities? Senator2029 “Talk” 08:38, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
  • @Senator2029: I am unsure what article it could possibly link to. If there aren't any good articles, we could always delete the redirect, but I would rather not do that if we can find a good article to link to. Interstellarity (talk) 11:36, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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• Delete for now, but can make a stub-level definition with history usage. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:45, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
• Soft redirect to Wiktionary, unless an article is made here. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:43, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

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Reballing

• Reballing → Soldering#REBALLING  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The redirect name has no mention on the current target. I came from Nokia N900#Known issues, which has a link to reballing, and I was confused. A bit more searching showed that reballing is mentioned at Rework (electronics)#Reflowing and reballing, though it takes some reading to get into reballing being defined. I propose making an anchor at the Reballing involves dismantling, heating the chip until it can be removed from the board paragraph of the Rework (electronics) article and retarget the redirect to there. pandakekok9 (talk) Junk the Philippine anti-terror law! 08:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

• Retarget to anchor per nom. Narky Blert (talk) 11:16, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
• Narky Blert, I argued that wikilinks that redirect to a subsection should be deprecated from article space at #Classical Irish, above. You wrote "Retarget to anchor". If all fans of redirection to subsection (1) knew how to use anchors; and (2) always used anchors; and (3) every other contributor knew how to recognize those anchors, and steer clear of mucking with them, some of my concerns over this highly disruptive practice would be addressed. But it would still be better to split out the targets of wikilinks to subsection heading, and make every one a standalone article. Geo Swan (talk) 13:32, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
• Split the Rework (electronics)#Reflowing and reballing section out of Rework (electronics) into a standalone article. The reballing section is about half of that article. What should it b called? Maybe Reworking Ball Grade Array electronics? Maybe it should be at Reballing. Geo Swan (talk) 13:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

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Hypersine

• Hypersine → Hyperbolic functions  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is incorrect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nom – similar name, but different notion. --CiaPan (talk) 18:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Keep per this although it uses hyper-sine or disambiguate per this] (Resperine). All the best: Rich Farmbrough 18:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC).
  

  Also see this. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 18:52, 3 July 2020 (UTC).
  

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• Delete to encourage article creation. None of its senses appear to have an article on Wikipedia currently. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 14:22, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

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M$ Windoze

• M$ Windoze → Satiric misspelling#Currency signs  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not used as an example in the article. Since this doesn't seem to be used by reliable sources, this should be deleted. Hog Farm _Bacon 20:27, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Retarget to Criticism of Microsoft Windows. Whether it is used be reliable sources is not relevant for a redirect. What matters is whether it is (a) a plausible search term for something, and (b) if it is, whether someone using that search term will find relevant information at the target. In this case the exact phrase gets literally thousands of hits on google, so the answer to the first question is clearly yes. The answer to the second question is less clear - M$ redirects to the current section where it gets a mention, so I don't think anyone will be massively surprised to end up there. However Windoze redirects to Criticism of Microsoft Windows and while the term is not mentioned there, it is clearly what anyone using the term is doing or referring to, so has the more directly relevant content so I think it would make a better target. Thryduulf (talk) 00:13, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Toxic Gr@fity

• Toxic Gr@fity → Satiric misspelling  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Another Kenny Strawberry creation. Not mentioned in target article, doesn't seem to be a common usage, creator had a history of vandalism.Hog Farm _Bacon 20:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. I can't find any uses of this term that did not originate at Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 00:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Daniel Uhlfelder

• Daniel Uhlfelder → COVID-19 pandemic in Florida  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Daniel uhlfelder → COVID-19 pandemic in Florida  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It appears that this is the name of the guy dressing up as the Grim Reaper to protest people going to the beach. He's not mentioned at the target, though. I would suggest deletion. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:01, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Note I've added the lowercase Daniel uhlfelder to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 00:20, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. Not mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia as far as I can tell. However this recommendation is without prejudice to recreation if a mention is added somewhere (I have no opinion on whether it should be). Thryduulf (talk) 00:20, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Conservative Hinduism

• Conservative Hinduism → Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh#Accusations of Fascism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Conservative Hindu → Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh#Accusations of Fascism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm not sure it's helpful to have a redirect from this search term to a specific facet of one (albeit significant) organization that can be considered to be politically conservative and Hindu. Hindu nationalism may be a better target, but is still an imperfect fit (for one, while it discusses right-wing Hindu nationalist groups, it never uses the phrase "conservative Hinduism"). Ideally, we could redirect to a relevant section of an article on Hinduism and politics, but no such article exists. I would thus lean towards deletion. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:39, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

• I don't think either work. Conservatism isn't Fascism or Nationalism. At best, Sanatani which refers to the closest thing we have to "Hindu orthodoxy" would be the best target if we are to have this redirect at all, that is. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 11:31, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

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Eight thousand one hundred ninety-second note

• Eight thousand one hundred ninety-second note → Two hundred fifty-sixth note#Even shorter notes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Semihemidemisemihemidemisemihemidemisemiquaver → Two hundred fifty-sixth note#Even shorter notes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

8192nd notes are not mentioned at the target. They are, however, at Longest word in English#Agglutinative constructions, but without a source that this note value has ever been used. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:24, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Sfcrowsnest

• Sfcrowsnest → Stephen Hunt (author)#SF Crowsnest  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• SF Crowsnest → Stephen Hunt (author)#SF Crowsnest  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"SFcrowsnest" is a website. The subject of the target was an editor, but the article doesn't help now: the section was deleted [2] . Delete. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:30, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

1940-49 Pacific typhoon seasons

• 1940-49 Pacific typhoon seasons → Category:1940s Pacific typhoon seasons  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unneeded cross-namespace redirect (doesn't qualify for R2 because the target is in the category namespace) DannyS712 (talk) 15:10, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Retarget to Pacific typhoon season#1940s where anyone using this plausible search term will find summary information about these exact seasons and links to articles about each year for more detail. Thryduulf (talk) 16:47, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget to Pacific typhoon season#1940s. Redirects from list articles to categories are highly discouraged (Wikipedia:Redirect). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:18, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

1829 United States elections

• 1829 United States elections → Category:1829 elections in the United States  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unneeded cross-namespace redirect (doesn't qualify for R2 because the target is in the category namespace) DannyS712 (talk) 15:10, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Retarget to Template:1829 United States elections. Yes that is still cross-namespace, but as the target is a reader-facing navigation template that lists and links to all the articles we have about United States elections in 1829 (and a couple of redlinks) it gives the searcher exactly the same information that a list article would do (which is the only other thing that could be at this title). Thryduulf (talk) 16:50, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget per Thryduulf, as a better alternative. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:22, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

1676 establishments in Denmark

• 1676 establishments in Denmark → Category:1676 establishments in Denmark  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unneeded cross-namespace redirect (doesn't qualify for R2 because the target is in the category namespace) DannyS712 (talk) 15:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. This takes the reader to exactly the information they are looking for that we do not have in any other location that I've found. The reason the category namespace is excluded from R2 is that such redirects are sometimes desirable. Further, "unnecessary" and "unneeded" are not reason, in isolation, to delete a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 16:52, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

108 Siva Temples

• 108 Siva Temples → Category:108 Siva Temples  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unneeded cross-namespace redirect (doesn't qualify for R2 because the target is in the category namespace) DannyS712 (talk) 15:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Retarget to 108 Shiva Temples as a {{R from alternative spelling}}. I found this very obvious target by the simple expedient of looking in the target category, which leaves me wondering whether the nominator has done any WP:BEFORE? Thryduulf (talk) 16:55, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget to 108 Shiva Temples, obviously. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:20, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

1952 disestablishments in Wales

• 1952 disestablishments in Wales → Category:1952 disestablishments in Wales  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unneeded cross-namespace redirect (doesn't qualify for R2 because the target is in the category namespace) DannyS712 (talk) 15:07, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Keep perfectly harmless redirect that takes anyone using this search term to exactly the information they are looking for. We don't have this in any other location so the category is the best target - which is why such redirects are excluded from R2. Thryduulf (talk) 16:56, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Keep per Thryduulf. Both sides of the redirect are reader-facing so the CNR status of it isn't harmful. It's also an {{R from move}}, albeit the category was at this title for a negligible period of time. — J947 ‡ ^{message ⁓ edits} 21:00, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Right of sepulchre

• Right of sepulchre → Burial  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Right of sepulchre" is not defined in the article and without an explanation the redirect is confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:57, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete, soft redirect to Wiktionary or write an article. This seems like a very plausible search term, and while there is a dictionary definition at Wiktionary I'm really on the fence about whether to soft redirect there or delete to encourage article creation. There looks to be enough information out there to write an article, e.g. about differences between jurisdictions. Thryduulf (talk) 17:01, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• I'd go with delete. It actually seems to be a notable legal topic, see, for example:

Katherine Calderon, The World of the Dead, the Right of Sepulcher and the Power of Information, 32 Tauro L. Rev. 785 (2016); and

Kimberly E. Naguit, Letting the Dead Bury the Dead: Missouri's Right of Sepulcher Addresses the Modern Decedent's Wishes Addresses the Modern Decedent's Wishes, 75 Missouri L. Rev. 1 (2010)

and others. I think it be better deleted than a redirect to an article not dealing with the subject matter (and I can find no other appropriate target articles). TJRC (talk) 20:40, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Shuttleman

• Shuttleman → Space Shuttle  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I don't understand what Shuttleman means. --Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 12:08, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. It's a horse (e.g. Maryland Sprint Handicap top three finishers), but Search is better. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:34, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete M-W.com "Shuttleman" is a loom repairman or a locomotive engineer. -- 70.51.44.93 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:06, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Sci.space.history

• Sci.space.history → Space Shuttle  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I don't know why this redirects to Space Shuttle. Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 12:05, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. I don't know either. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:36, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete this is (was?) a usenet group, and it does get a couple of mentions and uses in references/external links, including at Space Shuttle Columbia, but that doesn't explain the redirect and I can't find anywhere that would make a better target. Thryduulf (talk) 17:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. Not a helpful redirect at all. It was created contemporaneously by a now-blocked user (apparently not for anything related to this activity) with another newsgroup-name redirect, sci.space.shuttle, which probably also ought to be deleted. sci.space.shuttle is a little closer to the target, but as with sci.space.history, it's the name of a newsgroup, and someone searching specifically for information on the newsgroup is probably not looking for something on the topic that the newsgroup referred to. TJRC (talk) 01:10, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

ST Jacobs

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was withdrawn. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:42, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• ST Jacobs → St. Jacob (disambiguation)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete as ambiguous: this is either a badly-capitalised "Saint Jacobs" or a steam tug called Jacobs. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:56, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Retarget It was originally created as a redirect to a list. "ST" in this case standing for "steam tug". Suggest retargeting to List of Empire ships (G)#Empire Gnome as per the original intent of the redirect. Mjroots (talk) 11:07, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
  • @Mjroots:yes, of course. I'm sorry, I missed that from the edit history. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:39, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Recipients of the Bangladesh National Sports Award

• Recipients of the Bangladesh National Sports Award → Category:Recipients of the Bangladesh National Sports Award  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unneeded cross-namespace redirect (doesn't qualify for R2 because the target is in the category namespace) DannyS712 (talk) 10:33, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Agree: As per R2. Dead.rabbit (talk) 16:22, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget to National Sports Awards#Awards which lists all the recipients of the award. Thryduulf (talk) 17:11, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Challenger Spacecraft

• Challenger Spacecraft → Space Shuttle Challenger  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ambiguous. Could also mean Apollo 17 LM Challenger. Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 12:35, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

• Keep the shuttle is overwhelmingly the primary topic for this phrase, both when searching generally and with the exact phrase. A hatnote to the Apollo lunar module can be added. Thryduulf (talk) 13:33, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget to Challenger (disambiguation); ambiguous per nom, and not the proper name for this target. Plus, this target is more likely the Challenger shuttle, an aerospace vehicle, while the lunar lander is a purely space vehicle. -- 70.51.44.93 (talk) 02:06, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

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• Retarget to Challenger#Air and space craft. I think there is sufficient ambiguity and lack of clarity in a primary topic. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:18, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Thunderwell

• Thunderwell → Operation_Plumbbob  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. The redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject. 72.194.27.90 (talk) 05:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. Without a mention in the article this redirect is confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:46, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Weak keep and tag with {{R with possibilities}}; IIRC, this is the only known example of a thunderwell (if the projection of the launch into space is accurate), so seems like a suitable redirect -- 70.51.44.93 (talk) 01:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

My vote is for delete, but if you are proposing to keep the redirect on the grounds that a target with a tenuous connection to the subject is better than no target, then I'd like to suggest that Non-rocket spacelaunch is a more appropriate target than Operation Plumbbob. 72.194.27.90 (talk) 01:50, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Racist Winston Churchill

• Racist Winston Churchill → Racial views of Winston Churchill  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Non-neutral term. There's a reason we don't have something like Winston Churchill (racist) targeting the main article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:01, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. From the linked guideline, "Perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is therefore not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}." The redirect gets the reader what they are looking for, under a neutral title; there are no BLP issues since Churchill has been dead for many years. (t · c) buidhe 05:07, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Keep This seems like a likely search term Nick-D (talk) 08:55, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Keep per buidhe and Nick-D, this is a plausible search term that takes someone to directly relevant encyclopaedic content. The WP:RNEUTRAL guideline linked by the nominator explicitly says that redirects do not have to be neutral terms. Thryduulf (talk) 10:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Keep per buidhe. Please read the pages you cite. — J947 ‡ ^{message ⁓ edits} 21:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Keep. If it were not for the existence of the target article, I'd go with delete. But in the absence of this redirect, readers searching (here or on google or the like) the plausible search term "Racist Winston Churchill" would be more likely to be directed to Winston Churchill than to the more on-point Racial views of Winston Churchill, which is a disservice to the reader. TJRC (talk) 21:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Racist Murder of Altab Ali: A Bengali East End Garment Worker Murdered in 1978

• Racist Murder of Altab Ali: A Bengali East End Garment Worker Murdered in 1978 → British Bangladeshi#History  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Racist Murder of Altab Ali → British Bangladeshi#History  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible search term, unlike Murder of Altab Ali which should be redirected to the section. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:51, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

EDIT: The history is apparently about a book with this title. I'd also recommend splitting the content about the murder instead. 04:57, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• restore article and send to AfD per WP:BLAR. If there is more to be said about the murder than is in the target article (which seems likely) then it should be split out into a Murder of Altab Ali article. Thryduulf (talk) 10:15, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Racist patterns

• Racist patterns → Ethnic stereotype  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Pattern" is too ambiguous to redirect anywhere. There is no mention of "patterns" in the article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:43, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Comment google search results for this term are overwhelmingly about institutional and societal racism, especially patterns of behaviour/policies/etc that unintentionally and frequently unknowingly lead to racial discrimination. Ethnic stereotypes is probably the wrong target for this, but I haven't found what is. Institutional racism is closer but not perfect. Thryduulf (talk) 10:22, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete as ambiguous. A search for "racist patterns" on enwiki gets zero results. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:31, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete or retarget to [racism]]. "pattern" much to generic, so the only suitable target is the base article -- 70.51.44.93 (talk) 01:17, 27 July 2020 (UTC)