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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 20, 2020.

Hungrrrrry

• Hungrrrrry → Júbilo Iwata  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Seems completely unrelated to target article. CycloneYoris ^talk! 23:53, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. Sounds like nonsense. Enjoyer of World^💬 06:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget to Hunger, as this seems to be more of a plausible meaning of "Hungry". Seventyfiveyears (talk) 12:49, 21 OCtober 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. Not an especially plausible search term. Search results are effectively indistinguishable from searches with one more and one fewer r. Thryduulf (talk) 13:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Deleeeeete: implausible and unrelated to target. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 14:48, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Delete: Implausible, and also not very plausible for hungry or hunger either Joseph2302 (talk) 14:50, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Delete and do not retarget to hunger since I can’t see how adding 4 extra Rs to hungry could be considered a plausible misspelling.--76.67.169.43 (talk) 23:08, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Bootstrapping (corporate finance)

• Bootstrapping (corporate finance) → Leveraged buyout  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The target does not really describe "bootstrapping" in the context of corporate finance, and may be ambiguous with Bootstrapping (finance). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:57, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment there's also Bootstrap funding, which points at Entrepreneurship#Bootstrapping. I'm not terribly familiar with the subject matter, but it seems like there may be some overlap between these terms. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:27, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

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• Weak retarget to Bootstrapping (disambiguation). That's the best target I can see right now, though there's significant overlap between it and Bootstrapping. --BDD (talk) 19:45, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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Michi Saagiig Anishinaabe

• Michi Saagiig Anishinaabe → Curve Lake First Nation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Michi Saagiig Anishinaabeg → Curve Lake First Nation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target or the about page of the subject's own website. Delete unless a justification can be provided. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment appears to be an alternative spelling of the Anishinaabe language name for the Mississaugas (i.e. the whole group, not just this one band). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 00:16, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget to Mississaugas. Google searches of these phrases with -wikipedia show some legitimate usage. I think they're mostly referring to the Curve Lake First Nation, but I agree that this seems to be a rendering of "Mississauga Anishinaabe", and if in doubt, it's better to point to the broader topic. --BDD (talk) 16:01, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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Hades (imprint)

• Hades (imprint) → Verlag Harri Deutsch#hades  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Hades cliXX → Verlag Harri Deutsch#cliXX  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Hades DeskTop → Verlag Harri Deutsch#DeskTop  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These redirects point to sections long since removed, and without a mention a reader is left confused. Furthermore, hades (imprint) is ambiguous with Hades Publications. Unless a mention is restored, I suggest delete and remove the hatnote. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:53, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. These three titles are label names for specific book series of the former publisher Harri Deutsch. They are needed to catch these terms, f.e. when they are used in citations, so that the reader gets redirected to the proper article about the publisher. Nothing was removed from the target article, the target anchors for these terms continue to exist in the article and could be expanded (which, however, is not a requirement for the redirects to exist). This is well covered by the purposes and reasons for redirects to exist per WP:REDIR, and it was deliberately set up for this very purpose (and is not the remnant of some random edit-history that would need to be cleaned up).

I oppose the OP's proposal to remove the hatnotes because the hatnotes deliberately exist to avoid confusion rather than to create it. We have a publisher named "Hades Publications" and we have an imprint Hades formerly used by the publisher Harri Deutsch, that's why the redirect is named Hades (imprint) rather then Hades (publisher). Since an imprint and a publisher are two different things, Hades (imprint) rightfully points to Verlag Harri Deutsch. If Hades Publications would publish under the imprint Hades as well (which, according to the article, it does not), we would need additional disambiguation rather than than deletion of already existing disambiguation aids.

The redirects and hatnotes exist for good purpose, removing them would be counter-productive and create exactly the confusion that the OP seeks to avoid.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 12:42, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Matthiaspaul: thank you for your explanation: I made an incorrect assumption about removed sections. But the situation is still confusing, with one anchor in external links and 2 right at the top: if I am redirected to an article it needs to be clear why I am there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:15, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Building up infrastructure and improving article contents are independent of each other and do not necessarily happen at the same time. I checked the ref, and since it also mentiones the hades cliXX and DeskTop labels, I have moved the other two anchors down there as well. At a later stage this could be expanded and moved into the body of the article.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 15:11, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

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• Delete Hugely SURPRISE-ing, quasi-external links. An obvious solution would be to add any discussion of these to the article body. --BDD (talk) 15:51, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

At least there is some info about them. The surprise would be much larger for readers if they don't find any information about hades in our encyclopedia at all, or even worse, if hades (imprint) etc. would be deleted and people would start to mix this up with hades (publisher)...

WP:R#KEEP #2 ("They would aid accidental linking"), #3 ("They would aid searches on certain terms"), #4 ("You risk breaking incoming or internal links by deleting the redirect") and #5 ("Someone finds them useful") all apply pro keeping the redirects.

Nevertheless, following your proposal, I have now added a paragraph on hades, cliXX and DeskTop to the article body, hopefully solving the issue.

Sooner or later, this should have happened anyway, but, again, building up infrastructure and improving article contents are independent of each other and do not necessarily happen at the same time (or even by the same people). Therefore, it is counter-productive to nominate redirects for deletion just because these processes are not in sync for some while - in order not to waste efforts and trash useful contributions we have to base such decisions as if viewed from the perspective of the potential end result.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 15:17, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I would dispute that those external link listings constituted information about the imprints, but it's moot given your improvements to the article. Thanks for that—changing my vote. --BDD (talk) 18:29, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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• Comment. In order to address the "surprise" argument, I added a paragraph discussing the hades label and cliXX / DeskTop series now. I hope, this will, in a never ending continual improvement process, once again raise the quality of the encyclopedia a tiny bit and settle the issue.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 15:17, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Keep My concerns have been addressed, and these are now discussed in the target article. Let's keep an eye on the first of these, since the distinction between a publisher and an imprint are not always clear. Since it's redirecting to an anchor, there's no elegant way to hatnote it, so we shouldn't necessarily write off the idea of retargeting it to Hades (disambiguation). --BDD (talk) 18:29, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Buffalo Williams

• Buffalo Williams → Buffalo Bills  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Can't find any evidence that this back-formation is commonly used. Hog Farm _Bacon 20:21, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Appears to be made up. A7V2 (talk) 04:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Pico Creek Productions

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn, now mentioned. Thanks! (non-admin closure) 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 14:50, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Pico Creek Productions → Peter Horton  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 20:07, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Keep: Keep the way we're going. --Duc4Wikmedia (talk) 21:20, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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Is or Isn't Entertainment

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn, now mentioned. Thanks! (non-admin closure) 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 14:51, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Is or Isn't Entertainment → Lisa Kudrow  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 20:06, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Keep: Keep the way you're going. --Duc4Wikmedia (talk) 21:22, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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Green Door Pictures

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn, now mentioned. Thanks! (non-admin closure) 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 14:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Green Door Pictures → Idris Elba  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 20:06, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Keep:: Keep the way you're going. --Duc4Wikmedia (talk) 21:20, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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199 Productions

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn, now mentioned. Thanks! (non-admin closure) 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 14:56, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• 199 Productions → Tom Brady  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 20:05, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Keep: Keep the way you're going. --Duc4Wikmedia (talk) 21:20, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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Shoe Money Productions

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn, now mentioned. Thanks! (non-admin closure) 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 15:02, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Shoe Money Productions → Thomas Schlamme  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 20:02, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Keep: Keep the way you're going. --Duc4Wikmedia (talk) 21:21, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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Vicinio.com

• Vicinio.com → Mindspark Interactive Network  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 20:29, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

• Weak keep this was their website locale from 2007–2012. Also was one of the things they trademarked. [1] AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 01:43, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

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• Weak delete because it isn't mentioned so anyone using the search term who doesn't know the history will be confused. If this were mentioned at the target though then AngusWOOF's comments would be a solid reason to keep. Thryduulf (talk) 14:49, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

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Garage days revisited

• Garage days revisited → The $5.98 E.P. - Garage Days Re-Revisited  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The term "Garage Days Revisited" more correctly refers to the B-sides of the Creeping Death single. This is referenced in the article for the current redirect target: The $5.98 E.P. - Garage Days Re-Revisited. A source would be the website of the Riot Fest punk rock festival: https://riotfest.org/2018/04/revisiting-garage-days/. I believe that the redirect should be retargeted to the Creeping Death page. JJPMaster (talk) 16:04, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

• Keep as the EP is more notable than the origin of the name which is by Metallica anyway. The EP/album should explain the origin of the name though if it hasn't already. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:26, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

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List of works produced by Hanna-Barbera and Cartoon Network Studios

• List of works produced by Hanna-Barbera and Cartoon Network Studios → List of works produced by Hanna-Barbera Productions  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirects to a page listing productions from Hanna-Barbera only. Projects from Cartoon Network Studios are seperately listed on that company's article. IceWalrus236 (talk) 18:16, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment this originates from a page move following a content split and so is required for attribution history, but not necessarily at this title. Thryduulf (talk) 19:17, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Julius Seizer

• Julius Seizer → Julius Caesar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A quite obscure pun on the pronunciation of "Caesar" in English. Not mentioned in target. Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 18:13, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• delete per above. --intelati^talk 20:45, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Delete guessing it's a joke about him and the Romans seizing land. Not a plausible search term though. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:23, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Delete - I can find a variety of uses of this term online but they are all plays on words or puns rather than actually referring Julius Caesar. A7V2 (talk) 04:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Paradife loft.

• Paradife loft. → Paradise Lost  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible with a full stop. We already have Paradife loft without full stop. Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 18:06, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Delete Per nom --intelati^talk 20:48, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Weak keep The cover for the original edition, as shown in the article, read "Paradiſe Loſt." –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:18, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Santa Rosa de Lima ( Abiquiu, New Mexico)

• Santa Rosa de Lima ( Abiquiu, New Mexico) → Santa Rosa de Lima (Abiquiu, New Mexico)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect was left over from a page move to make it "consistent with wide practice and U.S. city naming policy," and was part of this June 7 mass nomination. Plus, it presently gets WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY less pageviews than its correctly formatted target, so I'm not sure if it's really worth keeping Regards, SONIC678 17:42, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• [Comment relating to a different discussion moved to correct location. Thryduulf (talk) 23:28, 20 October 2020 (UTC)]

Note the space after the first parenthesis. Also, delete for formatting error/spelling.--intelati^talk 20:47, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Environmental causes

• Environmental causes → Xenohormone  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Environmental causes" is so broad that xenohormone is not the only possible target. Note that this redirect has historical content which appeared to be merged to Xenoestrogen. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 16:28, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Looks to be a good target for a disambiguation page. I'm not familiar enough with the subject to suggest articles. Remove the redirect though. Per nom--intelati^talk 20:51, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• Disambiguate per above. funplussmart (talk) 19:10, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Thames foot tunnel

• Thames foot tunnel → Thames Tunnel  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Thames Tunnel is not a foot tunnel anymore, so make sense to retarget to Tunnels underneath the River Thames, which clearly states which tunnels are foot tunnels Joseph2302 (talk) 16:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Retarget. While I think this is a former name of the target, the Woolwich foot tunnel and especially Greenwich foot tunnel (the latter is close to primary) are by far the most common tunnels referred to by this name these days. Thryduulf (talk) 19:32, 20 October 2020 (UTC) [comment moved from under the wrong header to here Thryduulf (talk) 23:29, 20 October 2020 (UTC)]
• Dabify. We can do better that redirecting to a long list article. I have created Thames foot tunnel (disambiguation). MB 23:04, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Asian Music Chart Top 40

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The result of the discussion was nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opalzukor (talk • contribs) 13:17, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Asian Music Chart Top 40 → Asian Music Chart Top 40  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Circular redirect. Opalzukor (talk) 12:14, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Fixed, @Opalzukor: please withdraw nom. --Muhandes (talk) 12:18, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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