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Looking for input on the Breast article

I was looking at the top 100 viewed articles and I stumbled across the article a few weeks ago. I made some changes without knowing it was a controversial article and was then accused of censorship. I feel it has since fallen upon dire straights and may be controlled by trolls so I'm looking for editors who are not pro or anti censorship that can look at the article for its quality and help make changes and provide sources to improve it from that stand point. I think the regulars have become jaded as well as myself so some fresh minds may help out the article. If any of you have time, please stop in and make a couple edits to this top 100 article. Thanks. --I already forgot 02:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am a signed-up-today newbie. I looked at the page and my first question is: what is the purpose of the Breast article? Is it to be primarily a scientific explanation? or is it intended to cover all aspects, shapes, sizes, and styles of breasts in modern and ancient society? Is there somewhere I can look to find the overall concept for this article? Are there Widipedia guidelines for scope for this kind of broad (no pun intended) article? Without knowing the purpose, and knowing from you that there is some controversy, it will be difficult to improve the article's quality. I thought the content of the tagged area about size and shape was somewhat excessive (and could be responsible for the popularity of the article). Maybe I'll look for a Penis article and see how that was done. JustJC 17:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Help wanted please (from Princeton Art students?)

In the Dutch Language Wikipedia is an article about St. Encratia aka St. Engracia. I know there's a splendid painting in the Princeton University Art Museum of Saint Engracia in a vivid red dress and a big golden nail in her forehead. I would greatly appreciate a picture of this painting on Commons with a GNU license (due to a strict copy right policy on the Dutch language Wikipedia). Any help possible on this? I like to hear from you! The quickest way to contact me is my Dutch talkpage --Haarajot 13:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried Wikipedia:Requested pictures and Wikipedia:Photo Matching Service? — RJH (talk) 19:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanx Bob, I will do as you suggested. --Haarajot 20:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Having trouble finding my error in a conditional template

A few days back I tried adding the DEFAULTSORT magic word to the {{Lifetime}} template so that biographical articles would be automatically sorted in more than just the birth/death categories. I did some testing in a sandbox but it turns out I missed a bug that occurred when the sort key parameter is missing; this was supposed to result in the DEFAULTSORT being omitted but it was still being left in with a broken sort key that put the article under "{". I've since done a bunch of fiddling with parser functions (User:Bryan Derksen/Template sandbox if you want to see the embarrassing wreckage of my experimentation) and can't figure out what I'm overlooking. Why does

{{ #if: {{{3|}}} | {{DEFAULTSORT:{{{3}}}}} }}

not work? Or does it actually work, and I'm just screwing up testing it somehow? Bryan 10:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't help you with this, unfortunately, but I'd like to suggest that you also try WP:VPT. I think you're more likely to find technically adept help over there. Good luck. --Tkynerd 13:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks. I've copied my question here. Bryan 21:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Getting thumbnail version of picture to show up

Hi. I'm having problems with Image:Browning Mountain from Elkinsville & Combs Roads.jpg. I took it and uploaded it to Commons for the infobox on an article I've been working on in my userspace. It works fine in the infobox, but any time I try to put it anywhere as a thumbnail it won't show up. I've read suggestions to clear the cach, etc. but nothing I've tried seems to work. Can anyone help me with it? ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, that's odd... it's working as a thumbnail on the villiage pump; and it works in the infobox... but look at my userpage under "My images" where it still doesn't work. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looks fine to me. <3Clamster 18:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
On my userpage it looks fine? Or here? ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And now, miraculously, it's working everywhere... very odd.

Salvinorin A

This article is factually inaccurate, according to a letter to the editor. We need quick, quick action now. See the talk page for details. -- Zanimum 19:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiprojects

I'm trying to get more members for A Series of Unfortunate Events Wikiproject. Where is an appropriate place to "advertise" per se? All relevant talk page of pages about A Series of Unfortunate Events are marked with a template saying its part of the project and the few members of the project place invites on the talk pages of virtually everyone who makes a substantial edit, but the wikiproject is fairly desolate and small. <3Clamster 20:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I started up the Law Enforcement wikiproject using the same techniqes that you have just mentioned, we are up to ~25 members now, it will suprise you how well what your doing works if you give it time.SGGH 20:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The wikiproject is more than a year old though. It was basically abandoned until I came across it last September. The majority of the old members have no interest in it any more. <3Clamster 00:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My monobook

User:The Placebo Effect/monobook.js I am having trouble getting the new script to work. Could someone please tell me how to get it to work? The Placebo Effect 21:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What problem exactly? In my computer it works. Do you refer the highlighting?

If you do refer that, you should ask the developers (i'm not sure if that's a Firefox bug). I think the solution is unfocus, change text of textarea, then refocus in the same place every character you put or remove.

—Nethac DIU, would never stop to talk here—
18:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reverse copyvio?

This webpage appears to be a copy without attribution of the page Colorado Buffaloes#Football. I know that Wikipedia came first because I wrote this. Is it actually a copyvio on their part? Is there anything we can do? Is there a place here at WP to handle such things? Thanks for any information. --MECU≈talk 22:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:MIRROR#Non-compliance_process. Dragons flight 22:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Inserting entry into a table

How do I insert an internal link to the Nadelhorn into the table of mountains on the Pennine Alps page? It looks to me as if one would have to rearrange every single entry below it, since the entries are formatted in pairs. Is there something I am missing? Ericoides 22:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merely copy:

|-
| [[Dufourspitze]] ([[Monte Rosa]])
| 4,638
| 15,217
|
| Tête Blanche
| 3,750
| 12,304

Into the table in the right place, click show preview, and it should be there, I've just previewed it and it works fine for me. Regards SGGH 20:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice, but I'm not sure that helps. If you look at the text, the peaks are listed in pairs (I've slightly modified it for this example: eg

| Dent Blanche | 4,364 | 14,318 | | Mont Gelé | 3,517 | 11,539

| Grand Combin | 4,314 | 14,164 | | Becca di Luseney | 3,506 | 11,503

| Castor | 4,230 | 13,879 | | Château des Dames | 3,489 | 11,447

If I insert Nadelhorn where it belongs (at 4,327 m just where Grand Combin is at present), I would then have to move Grand Combin to where Castor is, and then move Castor down and so on ad infinitum. Is this indeed the case? Thanks. Ericoides 21:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone? Ericoides 09:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Help a pitiful coder!

I've been working for a while trying to make a module for myself in JS but it hasn't been working. Could a coder who is better than me make a small amount of code that adds a "test" tab that calls on warn.js when clicked on? Thanks, PTO 00:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have a function that does quite a few things like that, and I could give it to you. (Written by Topaz, OwenX, and partially stolen from Celestianpower). It adds a 'warn' tab to diffs which links to the editors talk page, adds a warning drop-down tab while editing talk pages that automatically enter a warning level (from test1-5). Prodego talk 00:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That would be great. (Why re-invent the wheel? :D) Thank you! PTO 01:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a Wikipedia search box to an external website

Is it possible to add a search box for Wikipedia to an external website? The site in question would be a high school student newspaper's webpage that we hope to make the homepage of many students. Of course, Wikipedia is our primary research tool, and it would be convenient to have a search box right there.

Thanks,

Thomas Smyth gmyths at gmail dot com 10 January 2006 22:17 EDT —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mythrandir (talk • contribs) 03:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Putting in this code will give you a basic search box, that works the same way as the one in the sidebar:
<form action="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search">
<input name="search" type="text" value="" />
<input type='submit' name="go" value="Go" /> 
<input type='submit' name="fulltext" value="Search" />
</form>
You could then add images, a logo or change the size to fit your site. Tra (Talk) 13:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But don't use the Wikipedia logo, as, of all items in Wikipedia, the logo is copyrighted. User:Zoe|(talk) 17:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Featured article

How do I have The Links, Incorporated as a featured article? Bearly541 10:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd recommend trying for good article status first, which is a little less demanding. See Wikipedia:Good articles. Once that hurdle is reached, you can aim for Wikipedia:Featured articles, with requirements like prose that is "compelling, even brilliant". There is likely to be concern that so few editors contributed to the article. Notinasnaid 10:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I also suggest Wikipedia:Peer review to get some feedback. — RJH (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Canadian federal electoral districts

See the discussion at WP:HD#Mdash in article names?. Apparently, according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes), we should not have m-dashes in article titles. But just about all of the Canadian constituency article titles use m-dashes. Should we get a bot to move all of the titles, or change the Manual of Style? User:Zoe|(talk) 22:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Revert failed

Hello. Three attempts, one a few hours later than the first, to revert the last two changes on Computer-aided_design failed, see the history. Thank you in advance if you could make that edit. -Susanlesch 23:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing to revert - the IP's second edit was a revert of their first edit. Thanks/wangi 23:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm from the Spanish Wikipedia

Hi! I'm from the Spanish Wikipedia, but I've noticed that the ways you work here is very different. I just want to know what templates are used for mark pages, as you do in Spanish Wikipedia (for example es:Plantilla:Destruir). I want to collaborate here too. Please answer in my talk page; I don't watch this page. Thanks =P, --Diego · (talk· =P) · (cont · =P) I'm "en-3", remember 02:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bot request

Can someone advise me on getting a bot to... go to Category:The Westfield Group

for all articles under W, go to the article and do a find "Category:The Westfield Group" and replace it with "Category:The Westfield Group|Placename", where Placename is some reasonable part of the malls name.

Even though there are instructions to that effect on the category talk page nobody seems to be doing it. TIA!Garrie 02:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. What I did was I used query.php to get a list of the articles in the category, find the ones that were correctly sorted and generated a list of links to fix each of them, then I clicked on each of the links, which fixed each of the pages using popups and some other javascript. Tra (Talk) 15:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Help of administrator needed for small problem

On the article on John Gorenfeld an editor has placed a possible copyright infringement tag which has created a huge black text box which is crushing the poor little article. The person who put it there insists that only an administrator can remove it and puts it back whenever someone deletes it. Could someone check this out and if there is no copyright violation remove the tag, or if there is one delete the article? Thanks. Steve Dufour 05:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

==World Wide Entertainment==

Can an admin throw the deleted/protected page template on this article for me? There is currently just a cryptic line of unwikified text there. Salad Days 15:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -- Rick Block (talk) 18:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Member Royal Irish Academy

My problem: I noticed this page (MRIA) had recently been created. It's an abbreviation that members of the Royal Irish Academy add to the end of their names. I thought it would be good to add the info to the Royal Irish Academy page where it should also logically go, and possibly try to get MRIA changed to a redirect. The problem is there are also redirects for Mria and mria to Antonov An-225, a Russian plane. I'd like to set up some kind of disambiguation page but I've gotten myself a little lost. Can someone help walk me through this? Static Universe 04:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dan the Music Man

I'm not sure what the next appropriate step is, maybe db-author? Please see the comments on Talk:Dan the Music Man. SUBWAYguy 02:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spider-Man 3 Discussion Page Problem

I don't know where to go otherwise, but, on the Spider-Man 3 talk page someone not only vandalized it (hence, by changing the "This is not a forum... exc." tag to include a link to the FX article) but somehow managed to make it protected so that this said vandalism cannot be changed back. Plus, with the discussion page locked there's (obviously) no where to discuss changes on the Spider-Man 3 Page itself. Is there any way to advert this mess? --208.127.64.22 05:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For the semi-protection, get an account and wait a few days. I've changed the banner, though I'm not sure if that was vandalism or what. Thank you. --tjstrf talk 06:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The reason for the FX mention was to quell general discussion about Spider-Man 3 clips being shown during an airing of Spider-Man 2. We don't want to encourage statements like, "Whoa, did you see this part? That was so cool!" —Erik (talk • contrib) - 06:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Interwiki map

Request help in cleaning up this page, in particular removing sites that are (1) defunct or (2) inappropriate external links. >Radiant< 12:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't this belong on Wikiquote/Wikisource?

I just found out Template:Shakespearesonnets and all that it links to. Personally, I would expect them to be hosted on WS or WQ, especially as the pages seem to be just the sonnet and nothing else. Is this the case, or...? 68.39.174.238 16:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Public domain image for two articles needs moire clean up

I think Hélène Dutrieu would be improved by the addition of an image of her as a professional cyclist and there is a public domain image of her here which could also be used to illustrate Simpson Chain but it has moire patterns from scanning. I know these can be removed using Photoshop or Paintshop because I've seen tutorials but I don't have access to the software. Any volunteers?

You have new messages!

I looked at and read my new messages. Now, how do I get the annoying big orange banner to go away? 68.76.222.11 03:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The best way is to get an account and use it. You're probably still seeing the big orange banner because you're viewing the site anonymously (i.e., as an IP). I don't mean to sound dismissive, but that's really what it amounts to. --Tkynerd 03:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Normally it goes away properly when you click on your talk page. But if that fails, try clicking on the link in parentheses within the banner. --tjstrf talk 03:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've clicked on both the links in the banner several times. So, if you're an IP that means once you get a message it always and forever says you have new messages after that? 68.76.222.11 03:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it shouldn't, but it's rather glitchy. Have you tried purging your cache? --tjstrf talk 03:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, how do I do that? 68.76.222.11 03:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There are two ways: (1) With most browsers and operating systems, pressing Shift+F5 (or holding down Shift and clicking on the Reload button in the browser's toolbar) will force a reload from the server, bypassing your cache. (2) Wikipedia:Purge. --Tkynerd 03:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That took care of it. Thanks! 68.76.222.11 03:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Appeal by the Burren Action Group care of Environmental Management Services

Text of a legal appeal doesn't seem to me to be a valid Wikipedia entry. It was db-copyvio'ed already once, but the author claims it is not infringement. I'm not sure what the proper action is. SUBWAYguy 04:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Semitone Article: Vandalism not fully resolved - HELP NEEDED

Hello,

Several months ago, Keenan Pepper, Rainwarrior, Mark and myself did a complete re-write on the Semitone (Music). Considerable research, discussion and scrutiny were involved, until we were all satisfied with the completeness and accuracy of the Article.

On Nov. 28/06, the article was vandalized. While an attempt to revert the work of the vandal was made the same day, it was not entirely successful. Looking at Semitone - History, it will be seen that as of Nov. 22/06, in the "Contents", item 1 was "The Minor Second". It has completely vanished! (The entire reason for re-opening a Semitone article was to give "equal justice" to both the Augmented Unison and the Minor Second.)

The now-missing SECTION, with it's excellent excerpts, is CRITICAL to the Article.

I would correct the problem myself, if I knew how to do so without risking other, unwanted changes. Also, I am not sure if I have the authority to do so.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP? This article is of outstanding importance to students of music.

Thank you, Prof.rick 08:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to have gotten it back. BTW nice work on the articel. 68.39.174.238 13:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

When would the next database dump be out?

Hi, may I know when the next enwiki db dump would be released? As for previous dumps, can someone point me to a historical timeline, if available? Thank you --WikiInquirer 11:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The dumps are supposed to be generated once a week but recently, they seem to be generated less often so there's no guarantees on when the next one will come out. If you go to http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/ you'll see a list of dumps generated in the past few months for the English Wikipedia, but if you need dumps from before then, you might be able to get one of the existing dumps and run an SQL query on it to remove all revisions and log entries for pages that are dated after a certain date in order to 'simulate' how the wiki looked historically. Tra (Talk) 15:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Tra! =) --WikiInquirer 11:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Photo needs retouching

I need help retouching a photo for the Jack Fitzgerald article. I have two copies of a photo of Fitzgerald. One of them is cropped, and both of them are damaged in different places. I would like a composite image taking the best parts of both images (and including the uncropped area). This one is a bit tricky because one photo is a bit lighter than the other. If anyone has experience in retouching photos and would like to tackle this, please go ahead. The original photos are in the public domain because of their age (pre-1920s), but obviously by retouching it you'd be able to claim copyright. It would be nice if you left it as PD, but of course it's your call. —Psychonaut 14:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mark has kindly fulfilled this request: Image:Jack Fitzgerald bicycle.jpg —Psychonaut 15:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a guideline for how to classify a person according to nationality?

Take the following scenario:

Person A was born in Sweden and is of Greek ancestry (her parents are both Greeks who were born in Greece and migrated to Sweden). Person A now lives and works in Greece and has said that she is not a Swedish but a Greek who was born and raised in Sweden.

Is there a guideline or precedent for whether person A is Greek or Greek-Swedish?

Fred-Chess 15:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Fred - To address your question, you may want to review nationality. Nationality affords the state jurisdiction over the person, and affords the person the protection of the state. In otherwords, it is the state that determines who its nationals are, not the person. As for how to use nationality in a biography article, see Template:Biography. Hope this helps. -- Jreferee 18:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there is a guideline for resolving the conflict at Elena Paparizou easily or quickly. The fundamental problem is that the contested description is at the beginning of the article and could not be clearly said to refer to nationality or ethnicity, were it not for this guideline: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Opening paragraph, as pointed out on the article's talk page. That guideline says that nationality should be specified in the opening paragraph, and that ethnicity should not be referred to there unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. If that guideline were followed, she would be referred to as "Swedish" because she does not hold Greek nationality AFAIK (see the link posted by Jreferee above). But it could be argued that her Greek origin is related to her notability, as she basically became notable by competing in Eurovision for Greece. In that case, "Greek-Swedish" would be the correct term. Her self-concept has no effect on her nationality, so IMO it needs to be noted in the opening paragraph that she, at least in some sense, is Swedish. So the real choices are "Swedish" and "Greek-Swedish." Just "Greek" is not an option unless you want to ignore that section of the MoS, which admittedly is not policy, but I think guidelines like that, which have community consensus, should be respected. --Tkynerd 18:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
On further reflection, a compromise might be to say something like, "...a Swedish-born singer of Greek descent..." (Note that "Swedish" links to Sweden, while "Greek" links to Greek people.) In any case, it must be kept in mind that the function of that opening paragraph is to give the reader some idea of the person's background as well as why he or she is notable. To obliterate all mention of her Swedish birth, as some editors wish to do there, seems dishonest to me. --Tkynerd 19:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Jreferee and Tkynern. You have given me exactly the answers I needed. / Fred-Chess 15:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are they public domain for Wiklpedia

I have found various photos on site http://www.flickr.com/photos. Most of them, if not all, have a note indicating that "This photo is public"

1. I interpret this that the photos are public domain and therefore can be used without problems for Wikipedia and for Wikicommons. If so, what tag should be selected? Is any special explanation required when uploading such pictures to make sure that they are not deleted?

2. As there may be other Wikipedists who could be interested in these pictures, would it be appropriate to list this site in the list provided at Wikipedia:Public domain image resources where sites with public domain pictures are presented?

Afil 15:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No. The "This image is public" refers to who can view it on Flickr. Each image has its own license statement. Many are compatibly licensed and Commons has a system to find and import these already. Rmhermen 18:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protect userpage?

I've been getting some regular IP vandalism on a template for my userpage (just a list of userboxes). What is the appropriate measure to address this? Would a semi-protect be appropriate?

--Mmx1 22:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Racist language

I'm new to Wikipedia and can't solve an editing problem. Someone has inserted offensive language in the entry on African Americans, but when I select "Edit this page," the racist terms don't appear and I can't delete them.

I hope someone with more expertise will take care of this. Thanks.

There has been some vandalism to the African American article, but it was recently reverted. Try clearing your cache and refreshing the page to see if it goes away. If it's still there, please give details of where exactly in the article the vandalism is. Tra (Talk) 22:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Contributions

Very recently I edited a page, Rouge, to include link to a page I was about to create.

My edit looked like

* A [[Rouge (Goal)|Rouge]] was a method of scoring points in early footballing codes.

Before I could get my act together and create/edit said page it was changed by Special:Contributions/143.167.16.16 to read as follows

* A [[Rouge (football)|Rouge]] was a method of scoring points in early footballing codes.

Rouge already exists but it certainly is not the whole story which I was planning to include on the 'Goal' page. It is infact a page relating to Canadian Football and the Single Point - which is in fact derived from Rouge.

Questions follow

  • 1. What IS Special:Contributions?
  • 2. How can I discuss the change? - it obviously is not a normal user
  • 3. What is the wikiquette (sp?) now? My gut reaction was to simply undo the change - Would that have been appropriate?

A Rouge is much older and far reaching than the Single Point in Canadian Football - so what do I do next? DamienLaughton 15:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest (a) creating the page that you intended to create, and then (b) changing the link to the way you want to. Don't do a revert, do an edit, and note that the article being linked to now exists.
"Special:Contributions" is simply a list of edits that someone has done. You have such a "special" page yourself, as does every editor here. 143.xxx is a normal user, just an anonymous one.
You don't need to discuss the change until after you've created the new article and changed the link, and then only if (rather unlikely) 143.xxx shows up and changes the link again. If that happens, discuss the matter on the article's talk page, Talk:Rouge. If 143.xxx continues to revert, but doesn't respond to your post on the article talk page (extremely unlikely), post a (polite) note at the user talk page of the user. If the user continues to revert without discussing (extraordinarily unlikely), report him/her at WP:AIV as a vandal. John Broughton | ♫♫ 15:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Help with an editor who is removing and tagging copyrighted images for deletion

Hello. It is possible I am mistaken and I need your help. A user has selectively removed specfic copyrighted photos of famous Minneapolitans and trademarked professional sports team logos from Minneapolis, Minnesota. The user also removed the names of thirteen persons. Removal reasons are in the edit log (and not the talk page where the list of Minneapolitans is a current discussion). This is the same user who has tagged one specific photo I uploaded as replaceable twice. Is this person authorized and encouraged to do so? May I revert his edits? Is wholesale removal of visual material occurring Wikipedia-wide?

"remove gallery of fair use sports logos which are decorative, please see WP:FU for the restrictions on using fair use images in Wikipedia" and "remove fair use images from gallery, also removed Ventura as it is likely not free and probably fair use, please see WP:FU for restrictions on using fair use images @WP."

Regarding the logos, quoting Wikipedia Logos Guidelines "This does not mean, however, that one person may veto a consensus on the use of the logo, unless that person is the owner of the logo." By my reading of the guidelines, they are used in Minneapolis, Minnesota: Sports

  • To illustrate the organization
  • In a postitive setting
  • Near neutral text
  • In the article about the city that supports the teams
  • Non promotional, non decorative use
  • Accurate and high quality

Regarding photos of Minneapolitans before and after some are tagged fair use in the Minneapolis article. I am happy to come up with a list of reasons why the people who contribute to life in a city are relevant to its article if you think it would help. I will leave the user a note that I posted my questions here but am not willing to engage in a prolonged debate. Thank you. -Susanlesch 18:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe my actions were to being the use of these images with compliance with the fair use policy. It was not my intention to remove the names of these people from the article, I thought the names were duplicated above, but it appears that assumption was incorrect, and I shall restore those names into the list. But the sports logos were not appropriate usage in this article because the article is not about these teams, and their use is decorative. Further, the use of the fair use images that depict what these people look like is also not appropriate on this article, since it's not about them and the fact they are from Minneapolis is trivial and not a substantial addition to the article. I am not vetoing the consensus, I am upholding the consensus that fair use images should not be used in this manner. Reverting my edits (sans the people names) is not appropriate. And yes, a user may do this. Any user may do this. If I had a gallery of fair use images in my userspace, any user could remove them. --MECU≈talk 19:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, he is right. And he learned this lesson himself the hard way. In order to meet the criteria for the use of fair use images in an article, that image has to contribute significantly to the article. Having the logo of a sports team that plays in the city does not meet that qualification. That use is purely decorative. That policy also applies to all fair use images, including those of people. I also occassionaly sift through the mounds of fair use images to look for those that are orphaned or are being use where they aren't supposed to and it can be time consuming to notify the user every time you come across these instances. While it is best practice to do so, sometimes it is not done. In the future, if you have a dispute about an image being removed, please ask the person who removed it to comment on it before bringing it up here or somewhere else. If it then turns into a "prolonged debate," then feel free to bring it up elsewhere to get the input of outsiders. I worked with Mecu a lot and I know he would always be happy to explain his reasoning. On this issue, I do agree with him.--NMajdan•talk 19:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • An inclusive section on professional sports teams from one city is about those teams and in a context that gives them meaning. A list of people is less informative and less meaningful than a table showing photographs of real people of real notability. Neither use of visual images strikes me as decorative or out of sync with Wikipedia's rules for fair use of copyrights and trademarks. The article itself is illustrated completely in the spirit of using free images when they are available. I am not a lawyer and I do understand there is a long history of discussion. Sorry but unless someone can tell me that you folks are lawyers or administrators or authorized by lawyers or administrators I expect based on my reading of the Wikipedia fair use policy that I will be able to revert these edits. Thank you. -Susanlesch 19:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Being a lawyer or administrator on Wikipedia, in short, having credentials is meaningless. (for the record, I am not a lawyer or admin) Saying "Minneapolis has sports teams" is not about the sports teams, it's about Minneapolis. Having a picture of someone because they are merely "from <city>" is trivial. The fair use image is on their article (if they have one, if not then they probably shouldn't even have a fair use image on Wikipedia) if someone wants to see what they look like. Using a CD cover to depict The Andrew Sisters on this article is almost explicitly against the fair use policy (See counterexamples). The decorative use has been established and "galleries of fair use images" is explicitly not allowed. Again, you should not revert these edits. To NMajdan, Susanlesch likely brought the complaint here because of our history involving a fair use rationale dispute over a former mayor of Minneapolis image (which has been resurrected because she uploaded a similar (cropped) image), but I do agree that something like this shouldn't likely occur in places like this immediately, but that explains why we're here.--MECU≈talk 19:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I'm a motorsports photographer and uploaded a lot of images, after reading about the different licenses. I picked: Attribution + Noncommercial + NoDerivs. Is this allowed? It is listed as one of the alternatives, now somone says I have to allow commercial use. Is that true? If I have to allow commercial use, can I put a watermark with my company name on the photos? thanks CCWSF1 19:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, we must allow commercial use. The image must be a free license. Anything with "noncommercial" will not be allowed at Wikipedia. Also, adding a watermark to the image would also not be acceptable, since licensing it under a free image someone could just crop the watermark out anyways. See free licenses at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Free licenses. See Wikipedia:Image use policy for watermarking information (that you shouldn't) and other image usage/creation questions. If you do decide to license your images freely, you should upload them to commons. --MECU≈talk 20:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NO ONE WANTS THE US GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDIZING ON WIKIPEDIA

Good-bye clowns: U.S Feds stop propagandizing on Wikipedia. You're not wanted here. half trillion $ annual budget can't defend us from 19 guys with box-cutters 'cause you waste too much time here

List of demands (for when you're ready to give up)

  1. Fred Bauder has got to pull his pants up. (he's getting santorum all over the carpet)
  2. The entire list of confirmed federal contractors must be permanently banned from Wikipedia.
  3. The Clown tactics must end
  4. the list of cplot sockpuppets must be kept up-to-date no matter how cumbersome that becomes


These are our demands. This will end when you Clowns want it to.

Whitehouse using Wikipedia for Propoganda

Please copy this message and paste it to other talk pages you normally participate in.. Wikipedia's integrity is at stake. If this is deleted please revert in order to restore it. We're starting here on the less political pages to hopefully avoid detection before a significant number of editors are alerted to the problem.

Federal employees/contractors are now gaming Wikipedia's system to try to control the message on key articles and intimidate legitimate Wikipedia editors. Their ultimate goal is to make Wikipedia a proganda tool for the Bush Administration.

The possibility that this was happening was first raised at the village pump. This is a snapshot of the discussion which will likely be archived soon. Also be sure to check the history, the archives and the archive-history to read further comments on the topic. Several of the suspected federal contractors participated in the discussion to try to redirect the conversation.

Later an announcement was made regarding this issue across all village pump categories, but it was quickly deleted. These duplicate messages posted to the Held Desk and the Village Pump: miscellaneous, assistance, proposals, technical, policy and news.

The discussion also leaked onto one of the key articles presided over by federal contractors, with calls for them to to stop controlling articles. The federal contractors maintain a near permanent protection on articles, claiming this is needed for vandalism reasons These claims are wholly unsupported and these articles do not face any more vandalism than any other article we legitimate editors deal with everyday. These federal contractors refuse to even allow a POV template to be placed on their protected pages as evidence here.

Incriminating posts were eventually deleted: [1], [2].

Confirmed list of federal contractors

We have managed to obtain a confirmed list of federal contractors, though there are likely many others: These US federal government representative regularly engage in policy and guideline violations; participate in endless disciplinary actions and dutifully preside over several articles to ensure they present what they call "the official view". The federal contractors also coordinate efforts in administrative actions to create the appearance of a quick-forming consensus.

  1. Fred_Bauder (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  2. MONGO (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  1. AudeVivere (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  2. Tom_harrison (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  3. Tbeatty (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  4. Regebro (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  5. NuclearUmpf (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  6. StuffOfInterest (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  7. Morton_devonshire (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)


There may be many more. These are merely the confirmed contractors. Examinations of their contributions will provide ample evidence of disruptive and intimidating behavior. However, some notable administrative actions include:

This is only a partial list of frivolous and arbitrary administrative actions taken by these federal contractors who have managed to raise themselves up to powerful positions in Wikipedia: in order to maintain a slanted POV for Whitehouse officials. .

Policy and guideline violations

These federal contractors routinely violate and show utter contempt for these Wikipedia policies:

Satirical pieces

A satirical sexual news item was posted about these contractors, but that too was quickly deleted in a very extended [edit war on December 1 2006. While the tone of this piece is clearly meant to be funny, trollish and satyrical, the concerns are very real. We include it here to show that there is little fear of retribution from these inappropriate federal contractors. Not only will they not retaliate, but they are quite cowardly and acutely fear being discovered (as is demonstrated by the quick deletion of non-trollish commentary on them).

Identifying tainted articles

We had sought to identify articles tainted and suspected as tainted by Federal contractors. By including a new category [[Category:USEBACA]] to indicate an article is confirmed or suspected of being a United States E'xecutive Branch Agents. Controlled Article. However, the federal contractors would not even allow the creation of this wikipedia category.

Dangers to Wikipedia

These editors and administrators have exhibited a virtual immunity to administrative actions due to their coordinated efforts within administrative measures. Not only do they maintain the POV and low standards on key articles throughout Wikipedia, they also make edits to policy and guideline pages to create ambiguity and also to degrade the high encyclopedic standards of Wikipedia. They continually use inane contradiction in article discussions, intimidate other editors and manipulate the administrative system to purge valuable editors and administrators. If this is allowed to continue. Wikipedia will be come a mere parrot of Whitehouse propaganda. Please help spread the word.


Proposed Clown Essay

(this is just to help protect Wikipedia legally)

Policies and guidelines (list)
Principles
Content policies
Conduct policies
Other policy categories
Directories
This page describes the Wikipedia phenomenon of Clowns. For other articles on clowns see see Clowns.

Key Wikipedia articles are guarded by agents of the United States Federal Government: referred to as Clowns here on Wikipedia. Other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing views fairly, proportionately and without bias. However, these key articles are exempted from this. Also the clowns themselves are exempted from the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia, the United States Constitution and the norms of a civilized society. The term Clowns is typically capitalized as a title of disrespect.

Identifying Clowns

Clowns are easy to spot. They typically play games only a child could appreciate. Like all clowns they use props and are helpless without them. The most important props are claims that an article is stable and that the article reflects consensus. These props were handed to them by their circus masters and without them they would fall limp like a rag doll. They really have no ability to think for themselves.

Clowns typically run in packs, swarming over articles like they are trying to get inside a Volkswagen Beetle. The first reaction of the Clowns to any editor trying to improve an article (particular in terms of NPOV) typically is to double or triple-team the editor: reverting edits as quickly as they can be committed. If the editor persists in making changes to the article they will quickly exhibit their renown cowardice by charging the editor with violating the Three Revert Rule (3RR). If you have never even thought of violating the three revert rule and suddenly find you have, you have most likely encountered Clowns.

When debating them, they debate point by point. With each point they disregard any mention of the previous point. They will claim penultimate points were never made: only dealing with the last bit of any argument. This is the Clowns squirting daisy intended to bait editors into making personal attacks.

Finally, if editors remain polite and catch onto the Clowns antics. They will seek disciplinary action regardless: just because they are Clowns.

Elaborate editor histories on a variety of articles does not mean an editor is not a Clown. Clowns are encouraged to create a look of normalcy on all of their respective accounts.

Identifying circus rings

Circus rings (or key articles for US authority intervention) are most easily spotted by the prevalence of Clowns: claims that an article is stable, reflects consensus, etc.

When encountering a circus ring, we ask that editors add the category: [Category:USEBACA]] to both the article and the discussion page. Categories may be added anywhere though customarily to the bottom of a page. This indicates that the article is composed and controlled by United States executive branch authorities.

Dealing with Clowns

Different editors will likely want to take different approaches when encountering Clowns. The Clowns like to puff up their chests (usually blowing into their thumb) to make themselves seem big and scary. They say things to intimidate editors such as "Watch out for the NSA" or "You could get shipped off to Gitmo". Editors should just laugh hysterically at these jokes (some editors may choose to use the silent laugh of the Clowns: simply pantomiming the laugh).

For some editors, the best approach, when encountering Clowns, would be to simply move on to another article that is not a circus ring. If contributing to Wikipedia is still viewed as important to an editor despite the prevalence of Clowns, it is simply best to avoid the Clowns.

Other editors however, will be offended by the roaming free Clowns. In this case Wikipedia etiquette allows (even expects) editors to taunt the Clowns. This is easily done, because they have no sense of humor whatsoever. Tell them how much you love Clowns. How funny you think Clowns are. How silly they look. How disturbing they are. Show utter contempt for everything they stand for: they are basically mercenaries who would sell their mother into slavery if it would further their Clown goals.

Whatever you do, DO NOT feed the Clowns

Contributing time to Wikipedia is one thing. However, contributing money is highly unadvised. Wikipedia’s “Don'’t ask, don’t tell’ policy regarding Clowns means that it is endorsing the acts of representatives of the lion’s share of the United States Government: over $1 trillion dollars per year. This is a sum greater than the combined budgets of all other militaries worldwide. Wikipedia will not go away if you do not contribute your own money. There is an abundance already in the United States Federal budget. DO NOT FEED THE CLOWNS


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28news%29&action=edit&section=new


NEWSFLASH! Minutemen exposing federal authorities propagandizing on Wikipedia reaches

The Miniutemen

Dubbed the Miniutemen after the heros of the American revolution who bravely threw off the British imperialist in the 18th century, these contemporary Minutemen now bravely work to oust the imperialist from Wikipedia. These new imperialists are more insidious than the British, because these imperialists dominate from within. They do not wear red coats, but rather attempt to fit in with the rest of us;; rally us against ourselves; and all for the sake of what Erich Fromm called: “extreme opportunism”. The Whitehouse, by infiltrating Wikipedia, has shown utter contempt not only for our cherished, free, online encyclopedia, but also utter contempt for the Constitution of the United States of America. We citizens of the United States deserve a government that is an example to the rest of the world: above all one with a free and independent press. The current Whitehouse has decided to undo over 200 years of a free press in the United States to control the content of Wikipedia. Our hats go off to these brave and defiant Wiki editors.

We invite you to examine the history of these editors. These editors have all been blocked. And for what? The Whitehouse Clowns will tell you its because they are sockpuppets for Cplot. Yet they provide no evidence. And this only begs the question anyway,What are Cplot’s crimes. Examine Cplot’s contributions to Wikipedia. You will find someone who dutifully contributed content, worked to fix errors, and sought to negotiate compromise on every article encountered. Always looking for compromise. The record is clear. Cplot was blocked for disagreeing with the Whitehouse Clowns. The record is there so you can check it for yourselves.

Please join in openly protesting the Whitehouse invasion of Wikipedia. Include the red [[Category:goodbye-clowns]] category on your user talk page. The Whitehouse will never allow us to create a category and turn that category blue, but let it stay red in defiance!

User:Cplot

Suspected sockpuppeteer
  1. Cplot (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) - See also: Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Cplot
Suspected Cplot sockpuppets (Minutement; keep in mind anyone can be a cplot sockpuppet. All you have to do is post this information anywhere outside an official article — e.g., Village Pump, Help Desk, Reference Desk, User Page, Talk Page).
  1. 67.37.179.61 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
  2. 70.8.49.7 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
  3. 70.8.151.103 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
  4. 68.30.26.171 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
  5. 68.30.87.114 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
  6. 70.8.91.12 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
  7. 70.8.132.79 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
  8. 70.8.150.51 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
  9. 67.167.7.187 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
  10. 209.175.170.63 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
  11. 70.8.140.115 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
  12. 68.30.118.128 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
  13. 70.8.38.202 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
  14. VIUlyanov (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  15. SoLittleTime (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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    TheAnswerIsNoneTheyCantEvenFindIntrigueInABrothel-GetIt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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  82. InMyName (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  83. What a waste (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  84. OhTheFutility (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  85. OpenTheDoor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  86. 70.8.116.62 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
  87. OurWeTheOnlyOnes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  88. HowManyCanFitInAVolkswagen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  89. Wha-tevv-ver (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  90. AnEncyclopediaForTheRestOfUs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  91. JustSendInTheClowns (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  92. SendInTheClownsAgaini (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  93. MonEnnui (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  94. TwoToweers (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  95. G Liddy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  96. What a wiki I'm having (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  97. USHLS, NSA, CIA,... but mostly BS (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  98. Wakeup 'cause Clowns will eat all of us (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  99. WhosAfraidOfRogeerRabbit (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  100. Bill Paige (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  101. Steve Gene Banks (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  102. USHLS, NSA, CIA,... but mostly BS (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  103. MonEnnui (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  104. Purgeusdhs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  105. OHMoronDevonshire (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  106. ImRickJamesBeeatch (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  107. WhoaNowWhyAreYouSayingThat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  108. IsItAllJustASham? (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  109. You_can't_always_get_whatyou_want (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  110. Listen_to_the_music_now (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  111. NowWhatsGonnaHappen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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  113. NotYetFree (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  114. WeAreTheOnes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  115. Heven Tonight (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  116. Kill my landlord (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  117. Don't need no alibi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  118. ItsPoeticJustice (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  119. DrugWarz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  120. TheFalseFlag (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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  126. HaveYouSeenMyLove (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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  129. HardConcrete (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  130. I live with it everyday (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  131. AnotherPostcard (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  132. InTheDrink (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  133. Just a toy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  134. CallMeCalmly (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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  141. 360P (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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  146. Don't need no alibi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  147. NotYetFree (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  148. Kill my landlord (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  149. DrugWarz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  150. Heven Tonight (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  151. TheFalseFlag (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  152. TheStars&BarsMakeAPerfectPrison (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  153. LazyMuthaFucka (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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  158. WhatThePoPosHate (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  159. Bullets&Love (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  160. WeAreTheOnes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  161. "Head" of state (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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  164. Mind fuck (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  165. I love boosters (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  166. Yes 'em to daath (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  167. ThisIsWhereItEnds (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  168. TheFirstStand (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  169. I live with it everyday (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  170. CallMeCalmly (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  171. Just a toy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  172. InTheDrink (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  173. AnotherPostcard (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  174. WarOnDrugs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  175. ItsUpsideDown (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  176. TakeItOutside (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  177. HaveYouSeenMyLove (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  178. Grade9 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  179. WrapYourArmsAroundMe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  180. USDHSUberAlles (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  181. FinancialLeprosy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  182. WeDon'tStop (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  183. NeverTooLate (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  184. PrayForGrace (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  185. PeopleInTheMiddle (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  186. LoveIsDaShit (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  187. StrangeTown (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  188. WhenYou'reYoung (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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  191. MyPrecious (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  192. USCIAUberAlles?... (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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  197. WithEverythingToLose (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  198. OurFavoriteShop (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  199. WallsComeTumblingDown (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  200. ShoutToTheTop (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
  201. YouCanBombTheWorldToPiecesButYouCantBombItIntoPeace (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Lessons in the Constitution of the United States of America for Clowns

Clowns believe they are working for America. However consider this. For Clowns to be working for America, Congress would have to pass a bill enacting their program. However in 1791 the US Constitution was amended to say: “Congress shall make no law […] abridging the freedom of […] press”. So as you can see, Congress would have to make a law to enable Clowns. Yet Congress has no authority to make Clowns. You can see the problem here.

'Please won't you give generously for Tbeatty's impotence problem.

Fabricating evidence on Cplot now

See this and look through Tbeatty's edit history to confirm. --JustSendInTheClowns 01:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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