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List of LGBT slurs

References are a retarded mess. Lots of books like "Green" referred to without actually providing info as to what frigging book it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.250.21.152 (talk) 15:39, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Carpet Munch = Perfectly Acceptable SChalice (talk) 07:05, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Am I missing the commonly used "pansy" and "cocksucker" for slang terms for gay men Dre0303 (talk) 19:55, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:58, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]


List of LGBT slurs → List of LGBT slang – Some of these aren't even slurs. And more importantly with a new title, we can incorporate LGBT slang, as that has no list, and very few examples.relisted--Mike Cline (talk) 15:17, 28 December 2011 (UTC) CTJF83 13:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would rather have this article deleted.
It serves no encyclopedic value and is acting more as a VIZ dictionary for offensive terms.
Thanks Jenova20 13:19, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's why I want to transform it to more slang terms Twink (gay slang), Bear (gay culture), Gaydar, and other words on Template:LGBT slang CTJF83 13:22, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Still doesn't seem that notable to me.
I support your requested move though and am glad you are working on the article rather than expanding on the current list of offensive insults.
Thanks Jenova20 13:47, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I also don't see any encyclopedic value in the list as it now is. It can be deleted in its entirety with no loss of important encyclopedic information. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 14:00, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The slang may have encyclopedic value as the LGBT community relies heavily on it and it's documented everywhere, especially the examples CTJF used.
List of racial insults could probably be deleted easily though.
There's a few more like List of ethnic slurs etc
Thanks Jenova20 14:07, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please stick to discussing the renaming proposal. If you feel it should be deleted, take it to the proper venue. Thanks, CTJF83 14:08, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested Move

The article in current state is a list of slurs, not slang. I would like it moved to List of LGBT Slurs so that this article space is free for me to create a List of LGBT slang. As the lede and article are currently clear, "The following is a list of LGBT slurs" - not slang. The article cannot be expanded to incorporate both as it is currently formatted and written. Please post up some responses before i start the process of a requested move. Thanks ツ Jenova20 (email) 12:31, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should look at turning this into the list of slang with a section devoted to slurs and point out how sometimes they overlap. Insomesia (talk) 13:48, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think slurs is more accurate than slang for most of these terms, although there is a gray area of overlap. I support Jenova20's plan of creating a List of LGBT slang article (sans slurs), keeping in mind that there is already an LGBT slang article. I also support copying the slur and slang terms to Wiktionary. - MrX 15:02, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
After reading your responses does anyone have an issue with me instead merging the two (slurs and slang) into the same List of LGBT slang article? Thanks ツ Jenova20 (email) 15:11, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am opposed to moving slurs to the LGBT slang article as I think it's out of scope. I think it would be better to move the (incontestable) slang terms to LGBT slang and then move what remains in this article to List of LGBT Slurs. - MrX 15:26, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And so splitting the article into two? With the removed content being the non-slang slurs? Thanks ツ Jenova20 (email) 15:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sort of, but reverse it. What I had in mind was taking the few, clearly slang terms out of this article (List of LGBT slang), for example terms such as 'Queen', and moving them to the existing article, LGBT slang. Then rename/move this article to Listggf LGBT Slurs (your original proposal). Many of these terms are equally as offensive as terms like porch monkey, WOP or kike, and clearly don't belong on a list of slang terms. - MrX 15:58, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
But, because there is overlap i just planned to move the slurs into their article and add more to the slang. Terms like queen are used by both gays and homophobes, while words such as chink, wop, negro and faggot are used exclusively by racists and homophobes. Thanks ツ Jenova20 (email) 17:03, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I guess that would work also. - MrX 17:59, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Faggot, is a good example of why one article may work better. It's a common slur yet usage - such as Dan Savage's long running syndicated column uses "Hey Faggot" purposely to reclaim the word. I think this is common with many (Most? All?) of these slurs. Insomesia (talk) 20:17, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I considered that as well and it's a valid point. It largely depends on who uses the terms, and how they are interpreted. In my mind, something that starts as a slur and is later reclaimed by members of the LGBT community, is still a slur for purposes of an encyclopedia article. A good example would be nigger/nigga/niggah: it would never occur to me to consider these slang terms, but I suppose there are people who would consider them slang. - MrX 20:33, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Here's an easier alternative then: merge the lot and then we can remove anything, which is only a slur and not reclaimed or slang. It'll be easier when we can see the result. Thanks ツ Jenova20 (email) 09:13, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'd counter that generally I don't think any should be removed but simply sectioned as commonly seen as slurs. I'd be willing to bet you can find someone who has reclaimed every one of those in some way. Insomesia (talk) 13:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like it's a merge then. Thanks for the input ツ Jenova20 (email) 13:04, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Request

May we add that some of these are rather offensive? 216.195.228.107 (talk) 03:28, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Potentially anything is offensive to someone or something, that should go without saying. Doesn't "Slang" also convey that the word or phrase may be controversial and/or offensive? Thanks ツ Jenova20 (email) 09:35, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't "Slang" also convey that the word or phrase may be controversial and/or offensive?
No, I don't think it does. For example, quid is British English slang for pound, but it isn't a controversial or offensive term for a pound. Unless you mean, because we're already discussing LGBT matters, and such matters are often dealt with in an offhand or wilfully ignorant manner. But that's rather assuming that all LGBT treatment in common usage will be abusive, which isn't necessarily so.
Nuttyskin (talk) 13:59, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're missing the point. Some of these terms are widely if not universally accepted as offensive slurs. "Slang" is too broad of a term; the slurs need to be labeled.
-Qaus (2018.3.2 11:45AM PST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:C980:375A:AC3A:699D:EBE0:5623 (talk) 19:45, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think the separation of slurs from neutral slang can get complicated. For example, dyke is used as a pejorative, but some lesbians also use it in a positive or neutral fashion. (On the other hand, I'm sure there's plenty of slurs/pejoratives that aren't reappropriated by the LGBT community.) Maybe we should somehow distinguish between terms that are primarily used against LGBT people, pejoratives that have been reappropriated by the LGBT community, and terms that are primarily used by/were invented by LGBT people (e.g., egg, kiki, cishet, baby butch). Different sections, expanded definitions, etc? -Kravk (talk) 16:03, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Encyclopaedic Value of This Page?

Someone above said:

"I would rather have this article deleted.
"It serves no encyclopedic value and is acting more as a VIZ dictionary for offensive terms."

I agree. If this page stands, then we might as well import the whole of Roger's Profanisaurus into pages such as "List of slang terms for sexual intercourse", "List of slang terms for an unpleasant person", etc. 212.159.102.166 (talk) 16:39, 29 November 2013 (UTC) KJN[reply]

Yes please delete or change this page significantly! Wikipedia isn't urban dictionary! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.165.178.170 (talk) 20:57, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree that this is a poor article. It is very far from comprehensive, little attempt is made to group slang terms regionally, many explanations of derivation are questionable or absent, etc. etc. --Ef80 (talk) 19:44, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

While this page could be better defined, a list defining slurs of different minority groups is appropriate do to the historic changes in cultural identities. There is a difference between defining pejorative terms and terms which may only be seen as offensive, this page is relevant for this reason. KillingsBjorn (talk) 17:17, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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To not merge given the lack of consensus, and that a better target, given the contents, might be List of LGBT-related slurs. Klbrain (talk) 06:24, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously, this page needs a HUGE trim-down. So many of these terms are derogatory and out-of-date. I propose that it is revised and incorporated into the LGBT Slang (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_slang) page. The LGBT Slang page offers a better format for defining slang terms and also has a small section on the history of LGBT slang. Smnananm (talk) 15:55, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I think it would be better if this article was remade to something like List of LGBT slurs which currently redirects here, the slang list on that other page is much better and this could be used for something useful instead.★Trekker (talk) 05:29, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Blegh, yes, the current name poorly distinguishes this article (which according to its lead is intended to be "a list of slang and/or insulting terms for LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) people", emphasis added) from LGBT slang's list of terms used by LGBT people, and from List of LGBT-related slurs (which is ambiguous about whether it's intended to cover only slurs for LGBT-related people, or also things used by LGBT-related people). This confusion seems to have led to the addition just now of 'TERF', which however seems out-of-scope for this article (I see it was also added to List of LGBT-related slurs, highlighting how poorly distinguished these articles are). -sche (talk) 21:20, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support merge of this article into LGBT slang, or delete of this article. It duplicates other articles, it's poorly formatted, its purview is unclear, its value is questionable. Also, a large number of terms cite "Green 2005", with no source by that name, and with broken links. A145GI15I95 (talk) 17:37, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support merge per A145GI15I95. Jdcooper (talk) 02:36, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Someone proposed to merge List of LGBT slang terms to LGBT slang but didn't finish this by starting a topic here. Well, for one, I support the idea. This article already has a list, no need to have two articles unless the list gets too long, and right now it seems manageable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:36, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
DO NOT MERGE - EDIT THIS PAGE! SO many of the terms on this list of slang terms re horribly offensive, and could actually be classified as hate speech. Therefore, by merging this already hugely flawed list with the page defining what lgbt slang is (saying that LGBT people use LGBT slang), you are inciting that the words in this list are words accepted by the queer community. This list of LGBT slang trms should not exist - there is no need to have record (especially if it is without contextualisation about how offensive these terms are) of these bullying words. I hope myself and others can edit the page so it contains up to date colloquial language and slang, such as "top" "bottom" "kiki" etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.41.131.252 (talk) 13:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support merge otherwise keep separate since the proposed target has neutral, non-slang, and offensive words, per 192.41.131.252 above. Doug Mehus T·C 16:04, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Don't merge or alternatively, Delete If the reason for it to be merged is that this list is poorly made/sourced, then.... don't merge. I agree with A145GI15I95 that this page's goal is unclear and it duplicates other article's goals. Outside of deletion, either:
A.) This page should be edited and trimmed down (and made to clearly be about "LGBT slang" used by LGBT people), with information updated and slurs clearly denoted by starting the description with "a slur against..."
B.) The page should be a partial merge and only sourced, currently accurate, or up-to-date information should be merged
C.) This page should be Split, and the sourced slang should merge with LGBT slang and the sourced slurs merged with List of LGBT-related slurs.
Either way, I think the first step is editing/trimming down/updating the inaccuracies in this article. If it's not accurate information, don't move it to somewhere else on Wikipedia. - Whisperjanes (talk) 15:00, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Trap

The word trap in the transgender section is incorrect. The word is used to refer to men who like to trick others into thinking they are women. The LGBT slurs page claims it to be a transphobic slur, yet here it states it is used by trans people to trick cis people. I'm confused.

I must also mention that I have noticed that this word has been up for debate over the past few years.

--- As a trans woman, I agree that the Trap noted in this list is incorrect, Trap is used occasionally in an offensive fashion towords Transpeople in general, however in this article it makes it seem like the term is excluisvely used towords trans women and trans men, when thats not the actual meaning of the slang. Trap, and reverse trap, refer to crossdressers who pass so well that men/women get "trapped". you can see how this can be offensive when used towords transpeople however the term actually refers to crossdressers and is used within the crossdressing community all the time. I believe the article should be edited to note this nuance rather than let it give the idea that the word trap is *only* a transphobic slur when in reality it only *sometimes* is. I do not feel it is a good idea to give off a misconception on the meanings of terms and to make people believe that words cannot have a different meaning that is unrelated to transpeople. NariHari (talk) 20:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We need WP:RS for this. EvergreenFir (talk) 20:42, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of "Trap"

Removed the term "Trap" do to it not being used in the General community & being stated on the List of LGBT-related slurs page as OFFENSIVE! —Thedued (talk) 09:57, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NOTCENSORED. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 16:16, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fix references

This page includes many Harvard-style short citations that don't work well with the other normal-form citations. For example the citation for "Green 2005" does not link to an actual book. Can I change all uses of Template:harv to the equivalent Template:R or Template:Rp templates with working Template:cite book citations? GrahamCracker325 (talk) 05:49, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Boldface

Is there a reason why half the entries are in boldface and half are not? Should all be converted to italics per MOS:WORDSASWORDS? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 16:14, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Page name change

Why are other pages that list slurs (ethinic slurs, etc.) actually called "slurs" but those used against LGBT people are minimalized and called merely "slang"? The page should be called "LGBT Slurs" or similar, as opposed to "slang terms." Inhighspeed (talk) 10:52, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would support changing the article name if all entries were slurs, however multiple entries appear to be slag terms which are not slurs. Greyjoy talk 10:56, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2021

Change “Shemale” & “Lady Boy” to also be listed as slurs. 2607:FEA8:F1C0:A100:B95F:6D2D:130E:5822 (talk) 20:19, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Partly done: I noted that shemale is considered derogatory and associated with pornography per the relevant article's sourcing, but didn't see any similar sources or claims on the Kathoey article, to which Ladyboy redirects. If you can provide a reliable source that it is derogatory I will insert it. --Equivamp - talk 20:28, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable source?

Regarding the self-published slang dictionary here:

Is this source is adequately reliable for our purpose in this article? Elizium23 (talk) 00:55, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Has there been any prior discussion on this? Gaelan 💬✏️ 01:54, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dictionary.com

I have doubts about the appropriate use of dictionary.com to source a few entries as has recently been done. I would note that on the bottom of the page to these entries, there is a disclaimer: NOTE This is not meant to be a formal definition of enby like most terms we define on Dictionary.com, but is rather an informal word summary that hopefully touches upon the key aspects of the meaning and usage of enby that will help our users expand their word mastery. and I would suggest that dictionary.com is actually disclaiming these terms as outside of their canonical lexicon, and would not be suitable for inclusion here. Elizium23 (talk) 01:10, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The word enby is obviously not in use by most people because it's a word for nonbinary, which most people don't know about. But the word is very common / well known in nonbinary spaces. So, it's not included within Dictionary.com's main canon because it's slang used by a small minority. But this Wikipedia article is directly focusing on LGBT slang, so I think it makes sense to include here. Most of the words on this list are not used by the majority, but they are known within their specific community. Linguist97 (talk) 01:57, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Linguist97, WP:DUE requires for inclusion in articles that an item be adequately covered in reliable secondary sources. If we can only find it in niche or unreliable sources, it isn't worth including at all. Elizium23 (talk) 01:58, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

remove cisgender?

This article as I understand it is a list of words referring to LGBT people, therefore it should not include cisgender heterosexual people. I think that either the article should be reformatted to specify "words used by the LGBT community" or the cisgender section should be removed.

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