Talk:Project Veritas
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The Amy Rorbach hot mic video
I propose we include a brief mention of the notable fact that Prohect Veritas leaked the hot mic video of Amy Rorbach saying ABC chose not to air important information on Jeffery Epstein, since this was covered by and got lots of views, comments, and coverage in may independent RS. One proposed source is Fox news. Forich (talk) 04:01, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Fox News is a source to avoid for political coverage - and Project Veritas is indisputably a political entity. Better sources would be needed. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 07:28, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- And CNN isn't? Gongfong2021 (talk) 20:55, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Correct. I'm glad we agree. --Calton | Talk 21:05, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- And CNN isn't? Gongfong2021 (talk) 20:55, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Done. It was notable enough for a full description in another article, it was easy to find a reliable source that covered the story impartially. It seems to me a couple of sentences plus a wiki-link is warranted. -- M.boli (talk) 12:56, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
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this is not a far right mouvement 50.117.252.28 (talk) 12:24, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- We do not say it is a movement As to the rest, see the talk page archive..Slatersteven (talk) 12:28, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- And the FAQ. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 15:42, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:43, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Project Veritas vs NYTimes
I see this defamation suit is moving forward to the discovery phase. Since the NYTimes stated they used Wikipedia as their source and they now have the potential to lose, I'm surprised there hasn't been a reassessment of the way the article is written Pkeets (talk) 02:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Do you have any sources for any of that? --Aquillion (talk) 02:11, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- I believe sources on this been posted here before. It's been going on for a while. [1] There are various sources reporting the NY Supreme Court ruling in favor of Project Veritas on Friday, but probably none you'll like. [2] Pkeets (talk) 02:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Your assumption is correct. Let me restate: Do you have any reliable sources (ie. ones with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy; "mainstream" ones, so to speak) for your claim that the New York Times cited things to a Wikipedia article which a court has found to be inaccurate? The Washington Examiner is a low-quality source with a heavy bias, and you cited an opinion piece on top of that; given that Byron York has no relevant expertise, his personal feelings about the topic aren't really useful. If, as you say, it is significant, you should be able to find better sources on that point. The article's current version, meanwhile (while it could always use more cleanup) is mostly cited to large numbers of high-quality academic sources - especially in the lead section, which has about a hundred sources from a wide variety of high-quality places. You will need sources of comparable credibility and weight, or problems with the existing sources, in order to start serious discussions about large-scale changes. If your only concern is that you personally believe the NYT might lose a lawsuit about a specific statement they made, and you feel that the statement they made might relate to specific things in Wikipedia, we can simply wait for the case to complete and then look at what high-quality mainstream coverage says - and especially if a significant percentage of those hundred sources we cite in the lead issue retractions or corrections, or if broad mainstream coverage changes significantly afterwards. But right now I am not seeing it. Lawsuits are long and huge and complex and messy, and of course anyone can sue anyone else at any time for any reason; they mean very little until / unless they reach a decisive conclusion. --Aquillion (talk) 03:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, we can wait for the conclusion. Meanwhile I see Project Veritas has announced they'll be releasing the depositions. Pkeets (talk) 03:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Your assumption is correct. Let me restate: Do you have any reliable sources (ie. ones with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy; "mainstream" ones, so to speak) for your claim that the New York Times cited things to a Wikipedia article which a court has found to be inaccurate? The Washington Examiner is a low-quality source with a heavy bias, and you cited an opinion piece on top of that; given that Byron York has no relevant expertise, his personal feelings about the topic aren't really useful. If, as you say, it is significant, you should be able to find better sources on that point. The article's current version, meanwhile (while it could always use more cleanup) is mostly cited to large numbers of high-quality academic sources - especially in the lead section, which has about a hundred sources from a wide variety of high-quality places. You will need sources of comparable credibility and weight, or problems with the existing sources, in order to start serious discussions about large-scale changes. If your only concern is that you personally believe the NYT might lose a lawsuit about a specific statement they made, and you feel that the statement they made might relate to specific things in Wikipedia, we can simply wait for the case to complete and then look at what high-quality mainstream coverage says - and especially if a significant percentage of those hundred sources we cite in the lead issue retractions or corrections, or if broad mainstream coverage changes significantly afterwards. But right now I am not seeing it. Lawsuits are long and huge and complex and messy, and of course anyone can sue anyone else at any time for any reason; they mean very little until / unless they reach a decisive conclusion. --Aquillion (talk) 03:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- I believe sources on this been posted here before. It's been going on for a while. [1] There are various sources reporting the NY Supreme Court ruling in favor of Project Veritas on Friday, but probably none you'll like. [2] Pkeets (talk) 02:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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