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maybe get rid of their deadnames??

. 2A02:C7F:7C6F:8700:DCBD:B9DB:A047:C6F9 (talk) 22:37, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This has been discussed at great length. Wikipedia policy is to include those names in the article, because the two women were rather famously well known by those names. See MOS:GENDERID. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 23:09, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why one article about two people?

In my opinion both are imprtant enough for their onw articles as they do not do all their work together anymore. 93.106.175.246 (talk) 09:52, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's been discussion about this before: [1][2] It isn't about "importance"; there are plenty of not-very-important people who are the sole subjects of articles, and there are very important collective subjects (the Wright Brothers, Romulus and Remus) who are covered in one. To me, the two main reasons are: 1) Most of the material about one woman would be duplicated in the other's article, which leads to problems when one article gets changed (better phrasing, corrections, additions to history, etc) and the other doesn't. 2) There isn't a need to split the article into two – this one works pretty well – so there's little benefit to the extra work. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 00:27, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Removing dead names

As noted below, it is no longer practice to reference the dead names of trans folks. I understand the stance that it should stay on the page but the inclusion of the names in the introduction in ADDITION to the ‘Born’ text box is repetitive and unnecessary. Helicasehaley (talk) 02:07, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For instance, that is how Elliot Page’s dead name is referenced on his page. Helicasehaley (talk) 02:08, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please refer to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biography#Gender_identity for more information on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines regarding that topic. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 02:28, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Birth names in infobox

According to MOS:GID, the only pre-transition names that should appear in articles concerning living people are names by which the subjects were Notable at the time. I am unaware that either of the Wachowskis was notable using their birth name (as opposed to their professional names, which are correctly included in the lead), so these birth names should be removed from the infobox according to the MOS. I understand that this is "long-standing content", but it is also long-disputed content, and its inclusion here is clearly against last year's MOS:DEADNAME RfC result and the current text of MOS:GID. Site-level consensus overrules page-level consensus, per WP:CONSENSUSLEVEL. Newimpartial (talk) 02:37, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are you complaining that the infobox identifies Lana's birth name as "Laurence" rather than "Larry", and Lilly's as "Andrew" instead of "Andy"? Wikipedia generally treats obvious variants like those as self-evident equivalents. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 03:49, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Larry" is usually (but not always) Laurence/Lawrence/Laurent, but "Andy" is generally not "Andrew Paul". The infobox clearly contains information that is not in the article and that MOS:GID does not justify. Newimpartial (talk) 04:07, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's a fair point, but at the same time, is it particularly useful to mention "Laurence" and "Andrew" either? It seems sufficient to just cite the names they were widely known by in their early career. We're not entirely consistent on this either; I note that Caitlyn Jenner cites a formal former name, but Elliot Page no longer cites the formal full name that was on the article a year ago. If it's borderline, I'd prefer to err on the side of caution/consideration.OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 04:12, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lana and Karin Winslow meeting

I recently added to the section on Lanas personal life expanding on how she and her wife Karin Winslow: *Following the release of The Matrix Lana began attending the Los Angeles BDSM club The Dungeon where she met Karin Winslow who worked there as a Dominatrix under the name 'Ilsa Strix', Bloom divorced Lana in 2002 after discovering the relationship.* and citing Rolling Stone for this: ttp://web.archive.org/web/20060207081803/www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9138137/the_mystery_of_larry_wachowski/ - but it was quickly taken down. Is this not relevant? Is there something wrong with it? LamontCranston (talk) 18:34, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One article?

I would write three articles, one about Lana, one about Lilly and one about their work together. I would compare the situation to pop-duos who work also separated. They are famous enough and there is so much written about them, that the articles would not be short. --Persephonear (talk) 05:34, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Check the earlier comments above from May (I recently unarchived it). Read through the linked comments, and then feel free to continue here addressing the earlier comments in your reply. --GoneIn60 (talk) 20:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing and forges history

"Lilly married Alisa Blasingame in 1991." This is very confusing as in 1991 there was no Lilly Wachowski. At that time, that person's name was Andy Wachowski. To say "Lilly married Alisa Blasingame in 1991" forges history.95.117.63.178 (talk) 17:53, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]