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Win record

Who checked the win record? How could Alvarez have beaten Mayweather one day before the fight happens? Today is 09/ 13/2013. record post win on 09/14/2013. Needs proofreading. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.82.2 (talk) 03:38, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, vandalism reverted. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:42, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Subjective Language

So... We see phrases like "the only downside", "crushing third round knockout", "a crushing blow that knocked Baldomir out cold", and "It was a competitive fight despite the wide margins on the official scorecards". There are many more and it wouldn't make sense for me to list them all here. We need to be more careful about using such subjective and seemingly invested language as his Wiki page currently reads like a publicity piece. --Scardinoz (talk) 23:28, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 4 May 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 23:22, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Saúl Álvarez → Canelo Álvarez – Per WP:COMMONNAME. He is usually referred to as Canelo by sports and news outlets, both English- and Spanish-language. These include ESPN [1] [2] [3] [4], La Opinión [5], [6], [7], Bleacher Report [8], [9], [10], Sky News [11], and ESPN Deportes [12], [13], [14]. He even uses it on Twitter as both his username, @Canelo, and his name [15]. Amccann421 (talk) 03:51, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Highly dispute any move. The WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO, TBRB and BoxRec all refer to him as Saul Alvarez, not Canelo. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:08, 4 May 2016 (UTC) [reply]
More English media which use Saul Alvarez: BBC, The Telegraph, Daily Mail, The Independent. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:11, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've done a U-turn. I now support moving this article to Canelo Álvarez, on the basis of WP:COMMONNAME and that the article for Buster Douglas is named as such. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:12, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Canelo vs. Smith / result type

This comes up every few weeks, so for anyone to wants to hash it out, let it be done here. There are an abundance of sources which state the result as a TKO, not a KO:

BoxRec is just flat-out wrong here; they call this a KO but Froch–Groves II a TKO? Come on.. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:14, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It does say so here, clear explanations.
KO = Knockout. A knockout occurs when the opponent is knocked to the ground by a blow, and cannot get to his/her feet within the standard 10-second countdown.
TKO = Technical Knockout. A technical knockout occurs when the referee determines that one of the fighters cannot continue the fight, even if that particular fighter desires to continue. Reasons the referee might determine this can include: a lack of offensive striking; obvious visual impairment; obvious and constant lack of balance (wobbly on the feet); or constant and profuse bleeding.
Wouldn't that make Froch-Groves a TKO? Mahussain06 (talk) 13:21, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Froch–Groves II, along with Márquez–Pacquiao IV and Álvarez–Khan, appear to be special cases. In all three, the ref failed to begin a count and waved it off immediately—as if to signify that they were "knocked out into next Tuesday", and would never make a count of ten. Are we going to call Márquez–Pacquiao IV a TKO based on the above? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:30, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You are right. That makes sense to me. Mahussain06 (talk) 22:36, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The count was started then waived in the Smith fight. 80.235.147.186 (talk) 22:35, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Canelo VS. Gennady Golovkin

The fight has been set Triple G defends middleweight title September 16 Mexican independence day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.202.19.158 (talk) 04:46, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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WBO light heavyweight title

Add his WBO light heavyweight title in the succession box. Eric Ercilla (talk) 14:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done – 2.O.Boxing 15:16, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WBA Regular title super middleweight

Since I got a conflict with regatds to WBA Regular titles as legitimate titles when WBA Super is occupied. How do we go with this?

Sources list's Canelo's win over Kovalev as him being a 4 Division Champ since he won the WBA Regular super middleweight title against Fielding, Callum Smith at that time had the Super title. Some sources states Callum Smith's win made him a 4 division champ. Sanctioning bodies doesn't recognize Regular title or list's them in their rankings on their website not unless Super is vacant. The IBF doesn't even recognize "unification" matches with their belt citing the "Regular" title as a secondary belt.

Should we abide on what the news cite or with the sanctioning bodies?

Sources

Kovalev's win (counting the Regular title):

Smith's win (Super):

IBF not recognizing the Regular title:

IBF and WBO not listing Canelo as a WBA Champ before his win against Smith:

This is fortunately only a minor sticking point, in that we have different sources of equal validity giving a different a date for the same achievement. Not a huge deal. The policies of WP:WEIGHT and WP:BALANCE are the ones we need to follow, namely:

[...] when reputable sources contradict one another and are relatively equal in prominence, describe both points of view and work for balance. This involves describing the opposing views clearly, drawing on secondary or tertiary sources that describe the disagreement from a disinterested viewpoint.

All that needs to be done is to rewrite the lead section by removing all mentions of the other Mexicans who've achieved four-weight status. There's no disputing Álvarez is a four-weight champion now, so someone should simply make a write-up in the prose (specifically the Callum section) and explain how there are differing opinions from several major media outlets on whether he achieved four-weight status after Kovalev or Callum. Get to it. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 14:56, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that'll do. BlizzyBlizz (talk) 15:06, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question about timeline of fights and championship belt ownership

What does the numbers after the belt mean? Because it's confusing.


Example: WBC69, WBA72, Ring76, WBO79

I think we should remove it because it's really out of place. BlizzyBlizz (talk) 02:12, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Where do you see these numbers?- Jahalive (talk) 08:35, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Blizzythesnowman: I've gone ahead and removed it. I've never seen anything of the sought on a boxing article. Seems completely unnecessary. – 2.O.Boxing 09:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think those numbers were the weight limit in kg. I found that chart interesting for how it showed his titles. It would need a lot of changes before it would be good enough to put back, but what do you guys think of the possibility?--Jahalive (talk) 17:09, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'd rather not see it re-added. I think such charts look like ass for music/band-related articles, and this one looked even worse and made less sense in the context of boxing. If someone wants to compile stats for his titles, they can simply look at his fight record. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 17:24, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2022

5’9 is the correct height, not 5’7.5 24.112.125.51 (talk) 05:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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