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ISIS

This discussion is about this edit (and this previous edit)

After the edit from two days ago, I searched for the original source. Here it is; it's from 2018, and here's a partial transcript:

I'm an atheist. [...] Religious people are the biggest hypocrits on the fucking planet because religious people don't read their own religious books. Every Christian I've argued with, I start busting out quotes from the Bible, and they go: "That's not in the Bible" Yeah it is. [...] You cannot be a Christian and ignore your own book. You either have two choices: you're either an absolute hypocrite, by either pretending you're a Christian and ignoring your own book, or you're a feral psychopath. There is no other way to be religious. It makes me laugh when ISIS was around, people say: "ISIS aren't real Muslims". No, ISIS are the real Muslims, because ISIS do exactly what the book says, which is kill everyone who's not a Muslim and chop people's heads off and set them on fire, and be fucking raging lunatics. But all the other Muslims go "They're not real Muslims, because I'm a Muslim because I read the book and ignore those parts". Well then you're not a fucking Muslim because you're ignoring the fucking book. [...] Christians are exactly the same. Every Christian, I say: "When you walk into a store on a Sunday, and someone is working on God's day, they should be put to death. Do you murder them?" "Well, no." [...] If not you're not a fucking Christian are you, you moron. [...] So religious people are hypocrites, or psychopaths. That's the only two choices. There is no other option.

This is basically "spicy Richard Dawkins". (BTW, according to MEMRI, that Telegram post by the ISIS propagandists got... 6 views.) I don't think it's due or would be considered encyclopedically relevant, and if we include it, we risk significantly misrepresenting it as a recent claim, or as an endorsement of ISIS (rather than a criticism of religion) which would benefit ISIS more than it would benefit Wikipedia. DFlhb (talk) 11:26, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Besides, he was recently (Dec. 20) interviewed by Piers Morgan and said during the show that he regretted his ISIS comments, and that they were made because he didn't understand religion, in his words. So it would be redundant now to include these comments only to say that he no longer believes them, unless the comments become the source of significant backlash covered in reliable sources. Askarion ✉ 14:44, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tate is British, opening of lead should reflect this

Tate is a British citizen via his mother and considers himself British.[1] We can note later that he also has US citizenship. 2A00:23C8:504:2501:3D4F:9ECA:B7E0:9118 (talk) 17:57, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tate was born in the United States and "grew up" in the United States, and fought for the United States for most of his kickboxing career. To an extent, he also considers himself American. It's my understanding that he doesn't live in Britain or the United States today, at least not permanently. But per his Piers Morgan interview that you linked, do other editors think it's within the bounds of Wikipedia policy (maybe WP:ABOUTSELF?) use a subject's preference in identifying themselves as British, American, or British-American? Askarion ✉ 14:45, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Controversies

For this article to be unbiased and true, there should also be a section for controversies surrounding Andrew Tate's career as an social media influencer MrBanana1234 (talk) 19:15, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MrBanana1234 Wikipedia does not claim to be unbiased and true. Please see WP:TRUTH. Everyone has biases, sources are present to readers so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves in determining what to think.
"Controversy" sections aren't prohibited, but have to be carefully done to maintain a neutral point of view. If you have independent reliable sources with information that is missing from this article, please offer your proposed additions here. 331dot (talk) 22:32, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He’s controversial, sure. And he’s also pretty cowardly. But I don’t see how this kind of thing can be included without source material. Otherwise we’re violating Wikipedia’s rule against original research. Darkprincealain (talk) 18:35, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Typo

The second paragraph of the section labeled Social media presence says "onlinr" Elderlystrawberry (talk) 13:55, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 14:06, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 December 2022

In December 2022 Tate was publicly rattled and unnerved by Climate Activist Greta Thunberg's response to his tweet. He posted over 8 tweets to her 1. Tate appears to have taken the tweet to heart, even responding with a "How dare you?! Yet, tate was in the right with Greta Thunberg showing signs of madness." 2601:204:CA00:7985:8971:6E38:C00D:A134 (talk) 05:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: See WP:INDISCRIMINATE. This seems incredibly trivial and you would need some good RS commenting on this to show notability. Cannolis (talk) 06:21, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a partial list of references in mass media. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=andrew+tate+greta+thunberg&atb=v343-1&iar=news&ia=news JQ (talk) 06:32, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
agree, widely reported. eg https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/greta-thunberg-andrew-tate-twitter-b2252757.html
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/greta-thunberg-andrew-tate-twitter-takedown-1234653407/ 2A00:23C6:B387:1F01:C1F6:9DAC:8E9D:F1B9 (talk) 10:18, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This has been in the article since yesterday, before your request. DFlhb (talk) 11:02, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 December 2022 (2)

- 79.116.194.130 (talk) 15:27, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done, in a sense. No edit was requested. —C.Fred (talk) 15:29, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of Thunberg-Tate twitter exchange

Normally, I would agree that tweets are not notable -- but Greta Thunberg's response to Tate has, as of this moment, 172.6 million views, 437,900 retweets, and 2.6 million "likes." Moreover, the exchange between the two has been reported by dozens of news sources worldwide including NBC, Rolling Stone, The Independent, etc. That's a lot of ink (real and digital) being expended on this event, so I believe it's notable.Smallchief (talk) 15:56, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of ink or not, I don't think it has anything do with "Social Media Bans". 91.155.113.200 (talk) 16:36, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Smallchief; it's due. DFlhb (talk) 17:12, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion this is not notable per WP:NOTNEWS. If anyone is still talking about it after a few days then maybe inclusion could be justified. TWM03 (talk) 18:28, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's NOTNEWS and I just removed it. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:19, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And it was restored. Smallchief, where's the WP:LASTING impact of a Twitter dunk? – Muboshgu (talk) 21:36, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The proper standard to apply is WP:NNC, not WP:NOTNEWS which applies to article topics. WP:NNC applies to content. If there are reliable third-party sources that mention Thunberg's tweet and assert its notability then it can definitely remain as long as it is given only due weight. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 21:42, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's all the same. Preponderance of sources does not guarantee inclusion in an article or its own article, depending on the circumstances, such as the fact that a Twitter dunk does not have any significance outside of the 24-hour news cycle. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:05, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is it more notable if it was indirectly the cause of his arrest by the Romanian authorities? There's some information floating here and there that the his response video containing a pizza box from a Romanian chain might've tipped off the authorities of his whereabouts. Hamuko (talk) 22:13, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This comment is exactly why we wait on reliable sources, and avoid WP:OR, especially for criminal accusations. The Romanian police obviously already know where he lives, because they already raided his house in April. DFlhb (talk) 22:20, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are misreading my comment.
Anyways, that belief is starting to now pop up in news reports as well, so it's going to start popping up more and more in discussions unless further evidence comes up.
[2]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11583711/Andrew-Tates-luxury-villa-Romania-raided-police.html Hamuko (talk) 22:57, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The DailyMail is a junk news source; see WP:DAILYMAIL. My point is that this claim has no credibility and hasn't been echoed by any credible news source. DFlhb (talk) 23:37, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The situation with Greta takes on a whole new meaning if the pizza box in it led to his arrest. LOL. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:22, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support inclusion, per reasons given by Smallchief and the "due weight" provision by AllGloryToTheHypnotoad. - Boneyard90 (talk) 22:14, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Funny thing is, he was arrested and Romania along with his brother.

Greta helped make it happen, but not the Greta you're thinking of. ScienceSnob2602 (talk) 00:12, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pardon me, meant to say he was arrested IN Romania along with his brother.

I find it more ironic than anything, the entire exchange between him and her. If he didn't want fire, perhaps he shouldn't have made smoke. ScienceSnob2602 (talk) 00:14, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 December 2022 (3)

The section about the Thunberg tweet exchange needs improvement in tone, I would suggest changing the present

Unbanned, in December 2022 Tate trolled environmentalist Greta Thunberg with a tweet extolling his carbon-emitting automobiles and asking for her e-mail address to give her more information. She tweeted back that he could "enlighten" her at "smalldickenergy@getalife.com."[51]

To

After being unbanned in 2022, Tate posted a tweet in which he tagged Greta Thunberg asking for her email address so he "could send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emissions". Thunberg replied with "yes, please do enlighten me. email me at smalldickenergy@getalife.com". As of December 29 2022, the tweet by Tate has 193 000 likes, and the tweet by Thunberg has 2,8 million likes, making it the 22nd most liked tweet of all time.[52]

The last line is optional. Erbeilas (talk) 22:09, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Tate raid

I was writing this before I noticed I couldn't edit. Would appreciate if someone edited the section.

"In December 29, 2022, Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan were the subject of a raid by the Romanian Directorate for Investigating Organized Crime and Terrorism (DIICOT). The raid was conducted at their luxury villa in Pipera, Romania, and was in relation to the alleged abduction of two girls. The authorities reportedly focused attention on a number of luxury vehicles at the residence, and a police trailer was on-site, possibly to uplift one or multiple vehicles. The home of a former policewoman was also raided in connection to the investigation.

The brothers were detained for 24 hours, and the DIICOT prosecutors searched their luxury cars. Andrew and Tristan had previously been questioned by DIICOT in April 2022, in relation to the same incident. At the time, Andrew Tate stated that the issues arose from a swatting incident." Crannofonix (talk) 22:10, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is definitely due, but we first need a reliable source. DFlhb (talk) 22:21, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A Daily Mail article about Andrew Tate's arrest has come out: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11583711/Andrew-Tates-luxury-villa-Romania-raided-police.html CastleFort1 (talk) 22:48, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think this might be reliable - working on better - https://www.libertatea.ro/stiri/surse-perchezitii-diicot-tristan-tate-andrew-tate-sechestrare-fete-tristan-tate-bianca-dragusanu-4394856/amp Hipocrite (talk) 22:22, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are images of the raid here: https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1608588291900870657 Theklan (talk) 22:26, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Probably better - this looks to be CNN related? https://www.antena3.ro/actualitate/fratii-tate-perchezitii-vila-lux-tristan-cobra-661477.html Hipocrite (talk) 22:24, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I believe Libertatea is reliable.
Don't know about Antena3; its relation to CNN seems to relate only to the Antena3 TV channel, not to content published on their website. DFlhb (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Tate's Wikipedia information should be changed

Andrew Tate's Wikipedia information should be changed. Please.open the editing option to update his info. 2806:2F0:9321:FF87:C53E:EE6:E7F5:AF5E (talk) 22:50, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Harobouri • 🎢 • 🏗️ (he/him • WP:APARKS) 01:03, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tate is not misogynistic...

The page states that his commentary is misogynistic which is an opinion yet it states it as if it's a fact... what exactly has he said that fits the definition of misogyny? 2601:981:C281:D3E0:D102:C46B:D846:D786 (talk) 22:57, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The term "misogynistic" is well cited. If you disagree with the assessment of the sources, you will need to discuss that with them, not us. You or anyone are free to disagree with the sources summarized here. 331dot (talk) 23:10, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Didn’t he literally call _himself_ a misogynist too? 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:7F3C (talk) 23:17, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. He said he is "absolutely a misogynist" [3]https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/21/andrew-tate-tiktok-instagram/ Therealteal (talk) 03:56, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@2601:981:C281:D3E0:D102:C46B:D846:D786 brother stfu pls he is so misogynistic and the fact that u don't think he is says more about you than anything else 68.46.171.72 (talk) 23:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
if tate isn't misogynistic i don't know who is Littleboyblue12341 (talk) 00:58, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 December 2022 (4)

The race of his parents is irrelevant information and should be removed for appearing racist due to highlighting colours. Cellius83 (talk) 23:21, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. I doubt many people would agree with your definition of racism. DFlhb (talk) 23:39, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't call the inclusion of these details racist, per se, but it does feel a bit out of place and possibly irrelevant, at least in that sentence, to say he is the son of a "white English catering assistant and black American chess player". I'd separate the racial information into a second sentence to perhaps explain why these details are relevant, e.g. "Tate is considered mixed race, with a white mother and a black father", or something similar. Askarion ✉ 00:50, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't that how it was before? Didn't even notice it was changed. Yeah; that's not great. DFlhb (talk) 03:07, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Arrest

Tate has been arrested by Romanian officials for sex trafficking, along with Tristian Tate. Could someone with ext confirmation add this? Thank you.

Sources:

https://www.insidesport.in/andrew-tate-arrested-charged-under-human-trafficking-andrew-tate-and-tristian-tate-are-taken-to-police-custody-in-romania/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11583711/Andrew-Tates-luxury-villa-Romania-raided-police.html

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/andrew-tates-luxury-villa-reportedly-raided-by-armed-police-in-romania-2019584/

https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/andrew-tate-brother-arrested-on-sex-trafficking-allegations-report/

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/andrew-tate-arrested-romania-human-trafficking-us-embassy/

https://www.news.com.au/world/andrew-tate-brother-tristan-arrested-amid-human-trafficking-probe/news-story/248458ec593bf1bc76ce70f8250abf88

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/andrew-tate-arrested-suspicion-abducting-28839106

https://www.thedailybeast.com/far-right-influencer-andrew-tate-reportedly-arrested-in-romania-for-rape MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 23:25, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Of all of these, only "news.com.au" is potentially reliable (haven't heard of it, and not sure what name to even search on WP:RSP, but I'm sure others will know). The others are various shades ranging from unreliable to hell-no. DFlhb (talk) 23:42, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please remove all references to his Dec 2022 arrest until more reliable information is available.

Almost certainly the masses are falling for his trap. After the Gretta thunberg tweet war which received significantly greater media coverage than he anticipated, he most likely had the "fake" arrest prepared to complement the unexpected tweet coverage to get another round of media coverage.

You will notice no handcuffs. He arranged for journalists to be there for the arrest. He paid some actors or used his influence in the region for the police to arrest him and release him an hour later.

I was part of his war Room a year ago. I know how his mind works. Unless you get the NY Times reporting, don't play his BS media game.

You can contact me on x for more information on how he thinks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.241.3.84 (talk) 23:40, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

the fuck? Littleboyblue12341 (talk) 01:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You're going to have to declare WP:COI. 119.18.1.17 (talk) 04:01, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Victims

If he's only been accused and it's not been confirmed, isn't it unethical to put in his description that there's victims as if it were confirmed? 65.30.87.109 (talk) 23:36, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 December 2022

Remove the sex trafficking content. He was NOT arrested. He was brought in for questioning and let go because the police went to his house and realized it was a phony tip made to the US embassy. Michaelcanyon2022 (talk) 00:47, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Harobouri • 🎢 • 🏗️ (he/him • WP:APARKS) 01:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 December 2022 (2)

Remove ‘Greta Thunberg’ under kickboxing record. This is purely false. 66.235.12.28 (talk) 01:26, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done: This was already removed. Harobouri • 🎢 • 🏗️ (he/him • WP:APARKS) 01:38, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More info on his conversion to Islam

This sick twisted man converted to Islam as he said it's the only "strong" religion out there that people fear insulting. He was only attracted to it by his hatred of women, love of violence, and desire for women to be submissive to men in society, as well as the violence of radical Islam in particular his fondness for Taliban society (ie not allowing women to do anything in society, being property of men). All of this can be sourced from his interviews with the provocative tv host Piers Morgan. He has said nothing about the Quran or Islamic theology, which would be perfectly respectable for someone to quote if he/she chooses to convert to Islam, so many do not consider him a true Muslim but a rather deeply disturbed man attracted to violence and oppression of women. This embarrassing arrogant man, who is now a confirmed criminal, should have more info added to his Private Life section, so his embarrassing quotes can be remembered for the ages. User6619018899273 (talk) 01:47, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tate's misogyny

Andrew tate by definition is not misogynistic. Not one person has been able to site something of his that would fit under the definition of Mysoginy, that isn't cherrypicked out of context or isn't a joke. 2605:8D80:6A4:53B9:91F2:3B40:F90D:239E (talk) 01:58, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: This has been discussed before, see § "allegedly misogynistic" and § Misogyny. Consensus is to call Tate's rhetoric (not necessarily Tate himself) misogynistic in accordance with WP:RS. CJ-Moki (talk) 02:47, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 December 2022 (3)

He has described himself as "absolutely a sexist" and "absolutely a misogynist".

This line of text is wrong, as the things mentioned were said with a degree of irony and to demonstrate how you could take informations out of context when videos become viral. 37.161.213.215 (talk) 02:38, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. CJ-Moki (talk) 02:50, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
All of that is reliably sourced/cited, you can go read the links, that is how Wikipedia works. If you have seen any of his many interviews, he has made many comments which are extremely misogynistic, hundreds of comments stating as well as implying women's sole purpose in life is for sex, in order to please men, and are not equal to men in intelligence, aspirations, desires in life, to the more extreme such as supporting the Taliban (as well as ISIS) banning women from education and public life. It is irrelevant if he was never quoted as admitting "I am a misogynist! I confirm this label and I want to go by it", his actions are evidence and this 'label' is very much applicable to him. This is nothing new with deranged people's fear of being labelled by society; I believe the leader of the KKK has said he isn't a racist, but a traditionalist, so should we take his word for it or judge him for his all his racist words and actions? Tate is an arrogant, misogynistic and narcissistic man. He is currently arrested for running a prostitution ring for underage girls.User6619018899273 (talk) 01:47, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Have you lost your mind. You’re literally pulling stuff out of your behind at this point with that last sentence. Compose yourself and learn not to make a habit of spewing out false accusations that don’t have an ounce of actual evidence to back them. 2A00:23C4:ED01:E501:D4D3:7A95:BF9C:B45 (talk) 04:01, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete false information

Andrew Tate was not arrested, the photos are a deep fake created by the CIA to distract DNC feminists on the far-left and QAnon followers on the far-right from reality. HystericalMinds2023 (talk) 03:43, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He also had absolutely nothing to do with OnlyFans models since they are not his type.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 December 2022 (4)

Remove information on his current arrest. It’s ridiculous how badly people want to portray him as guilty when there has been absolutely no evidence. Let the investigation at least come to an end. 2A00:23C4:ED01:E501:D4D3:7A95:BF9C:B45 (talk) 03:44, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He wasn't even arrested. Those photos and videos are fake, created by the CIA DEEP STATE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HystericalMinds2023 (talk • contribs) 03:46, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt anyone who owns 33 exotic cars would traffick anyone either. Not saying they're incapable of it, but those cars are chick magnets. It's clearly false information what Wikipedia's neoconservative propaganda funders are putting out. References don't mean shit. HystericalMinds2023 (talk) 03:48, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. 2A00:23C4:ED01:E501:D4D3:7A95:BF9C:B45 (talk) 03:52, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GRETA

By the way, it was GRETA, the Group of Experts on Action against Trafficking in Human Beings, that urged Romania last year to effectively prosecute human trafficking. (https://www.news.com.au/world/owned-so-hard-how-a-pizza-box-landed-tate-in-custody/news-story/6c67b8384ffbd62ae65c07f37242f5d3) 93.211.208.61 (talk) 03:58, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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