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Is there a reason why this guy has been permitted to essentially make himself the lord of this post without any oversight?
People have expressed genuine concerns surrounding the repeated misnaming of Caitlyn Jenner - concerns that (as several people have pointed out) ARE SUPPORTED BY WIKIPEDIA POLICY on how trans people's identity's should be dealt with - and Geraldo here has basically taken it up on himself to just say "no" to all of those concerns and shout down any discussion that disagrees with his take. 2600:1004:B215:14B9:DD5C:4A72:5435:8D2A (talk) 19:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Read the archives and how the consensus for the current version of the article was formed including the RfC that was held to support it. Nothing has changed since then. Also, to reiterate, this article is about Kris Jenner, not her ex-husband. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In those articles that is the current name of the person who is their father. In this article in the infobox we have the name of the person Kris was married to for the full duration of their marriage. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:03, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think this logic holds up. Caitlyn Jenner is still the same person who was married to Kris, regardless of what name she has/had. The guidelines on gender identity say "In articles on works or other activity by a living trans or non-binary person before transition, use their current name as the primary name (in prose, tables, lists, infoboxes, etc.), unless they prefer their former name be used for past events." Unless you have reason to believe she prefers her old name to be used for past events, I think it would be perfectly reasonable to change the name in the infobox. Gravelove (talk) 02:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
See notice at top of this page and Talk:Kris Jenner/Archive 1#Bruce Jenner and the RFC where this was discussed. To reiterate this article is about Kris Jenner and it is more important to be considerate of misrepresenting her in an article about her than someone else in this article that is not about that other person. The article as it currently stands strikes the proper balance. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A trans woman is being misgendered and deadnamed repeatedly in this article (against Wikipedia guidelines) and in this talk thread. I remember trying to make this edit years ago and there appears to be no substantial or significant reason for it to have not yet been changed. Nfdgoisn (talk) 17:05, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A specific trans-woman, Caitlyn Jenner, has indicated she doesn't mind references to her past name and gender. The RFC referred to above explains all that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:23, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sexuality, as noted in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Sexuality, should not be a major concern: "Care should be taken to avoid placing undue weight on sexuality. A person's sexual orientation or activities should usually not be mentioned in the article lead unless related to the person's notability."
Therefore, we should refer to the style guide's information about gender identity (Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Gender identity). As indicated in this section, Caitlyn's deadname MAY be used as a parenthetical in the article for clarity ONCE. There is no evidence that Caitlyn prefers to use her deadname in reference to the past and Kris refers to Caitlyn as her ex, without deadnaming Caitlyn.
Caitlyn doesn't care either way and doesn't get upset when her old name is used in historical contexts as this article is doing. Again see notice at top of this page and Talk:Kris Jenner/Archive 1#Bruce Jenner and the RFC where this was discussed extensively. The article as it stands now strikes the appropriate balance between correctly representing Kris Jenner's sexuality - she is not a lesbian who was married to a woman - and Caitlyn Jenner's transition after the marriage was over. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:03, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've searched everywhere and found nothing that says that Caitlyn doesn't mind being deadnamed, yet you repeat this. What are your sources?
It's from this notable interview.[1] I did not have any issues finding it on google through the basic search term of caitlyn jenner deadname. The pertinent quote: "“I liked Bruce. He was a good person. He did a lot in his life. Oh, ‘he didn’t even exist’. Yes he did exist! He worked his butt off. He won the [Olympic] Games. He raised amazing kids. He did a lot of very, very good things and it’s not like I just want to throw that away.”" Morbidthoughts (talk) 16:54, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Change the name of her former spouse “Bruce Jenner” to “Caitylin Jenner.” Bruce is Caitlyn’s deadname, and it is considered disrespectful to refer to a transgender person by their deadname, she also is more commonly know by her current name 2601:403:100:8B00:5C73:A7C:D01F:30DD (talk) 03:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not done Caitlyn Jenner specifically doesn't mind her previous name being used in historical contexts such as appropriately used in this article. See previous discussions in the archives as to why the article is written with names used. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:48, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sexuality, as noted in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Sexuality, should not be a major concern: "Care should be taken to avoid placing undue weight on sexuality. A person's sexual orientation or activities should usually not be mentioned in the article lead unless related to the person's notability."
Therefore, we should refer to the style guide's information about gender identity (Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Gender identity). As indicated in this section, Caitlyn's deadname MAY be used as a parenthetical in the article for clarity ONCE. There is no evidence that Caitlyn prefers to use her deadname in reference to the past and Kris refers to Caitlyn as her ex, without deadnaming Caitlyn.
The quote from that is "Care should be taken to avoid placing undue weight on sexuality. A person's sexual orientation or activities should usually not be mentioned in the article lead unless related to the person's notability." It needn't be mentioned in the lead but it shouldn't be implied to be something other than what it is. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:01, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
12 grandchildren
Kris has 12 grandchildren. Kourtney has Mason Dash Disick, Penelope Scotland Disick, Reign Aston Disick. Kim has North West, Saint West, Chicago West, Psalm West. Khloe has True Thompson and T Thompson. Robert has Dream Kardashian. Kylie has Stormi Webster and Aire Webster. 77.100.172.38 (talk) 22:03, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Actualcpscm (talk) 18:00, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Not done Caitlyn Jenner specifically doesn't mind her previous name being used in historical contexts such as appropriately used in this article. See previous discussions in the archives as to why the article is written with names used. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:48, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
