Talk:Phillip Schofield
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First name
Is his name spelt with one or two 'l's? The BBC seems to think 1 (bottom of [1]), no, 2, ([2]), no, 1 ([3])... There are 7 thousand Google hits for two-'l's ([4]) vs. 5 thousand hits for one ([5]), though some/many of those many be noise... James F. (talk) 02:04, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- It's definitely two L's - Ellen
He spells his first name with two LL's as his mother was unaware of the etymology. My first name is Philip, just like Prince Philip, which is the correct spelling. There is some justification for having two LLs in the surname Phillips. The electrical company Philips spells it with just one L. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.118.108.104 (talk) 11:23, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Nothing wrong with spelling Philip with two Ls. There are lots of Phillips. I don't know what etymology has to do with it. People can spell their names however they want. 2600:1700:BC01:9B0:544F:E012:2320:EFE4 (talk) 00:39, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Fan site
I'm not the only person to remove the link in the past (see here, although the section was cunningly removed by User:Webkin earlier today, and here for another user's issue with another Webkin fan site addition). The arguments that the subject "e-mails the site regularly" and "the Wikipedia article is based on the site" are old hat and quite predictable. - Dudesleeper / Talk 11:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- It has been his official site in the past!!! The only reason it is no longer the official site is because the agents are making official sites for all THEIR people. Phillip will however still be involved in this site totally so therefore, keep removing it and I will keep readding it! If you are so concerned why don't you actually email Phillip via his agents and find out? By removing the link you are actually stopping people from finding out up to date information about Phillip! -
- Why aren't you looking on other pages and deleting them, for example the Holly Willoughby article where it clearly states UNOFFICIAL SITE? no one is removing that? I kindly emailed you on this issue but you did not reply! Have you looked at the official site? If Phillip Schofield Online was just another fansite that Phillip had nothing to do with do you think they would be linking to us? - Webkin
- I can understand your being defensive about it, since obstacles are being put in the way of your blatant advertising, but the facts remain the same. I'll happily ask that the page be protected if you feel the need to keep re-adding the link. Your choice. - Dudesleeper / Talk 15:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- It isn't about advertisement!!!! It's the fact that the link has been there for over two years and now you (someone who doesn't care about Phillip) seem to think it shouldn't be there. Why all of a sudden? Go look at the official site, is there actually anything on there at the moment that people are going to be able to use when researching Phillip? NO! I am offended by the way you have spoken to me on this matter, claiming I am making this all up etc! Webkin
- So what was the reason for your blanking your talk page earlier today? - Dudesleeper / Talk 15:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- Just a clear out, I haven't logged in for ages so thought I would look at my page and decided to delete it all. I have nothing to hide but it just isn't really relevant anymore. The Phillip Schofield bit was old the website had changed a lot and the person had no problems with it remaining. Those comments was from when the site was just being built up and at the time I was only just starting to have contact with Phillip. As for the Louise Lytton stuff yeah I admit that one wasn't really necessary, I was helping out a friend. I have no connections with that site whatsoever and at the time I was new to wikipedia so did not really know much about it. As for clearing the rest of the stuff, well there wasn't much there, I can't be bothered really to have a page about myself on here :) You know what I give up, delete it if it makes you feel better, it's like someone was saying on This Morning this week they couldn't add anything to wikipedia without it being deleted by someone even though it was about them! I don't need the advertisement but I just thought it was off that it had been deleted after so long and that the site would be useful to people looking on here for information on Phillip as the site has been approved and even contains Phillip's personal photographs that he has sent us to share with people. Take care, Ellen - Webkin
- Even if Prince Charles added something to Wikipedia himself, it would likely be removed if it wasn't referenced. That's how the site attempts to be a reliable source. Thanks for finally seeing sense. Good luck with the fan site. - Dudesleeper / Talk 19:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- It isn't about seeing sense or agreeing with you because I don't. As far as I am concerned people like you are with holding the correct information about Phillip. Some of the stuff on this page is incorrect anyway! But that's just why wikipedia doesn't work! Too many people on here who haven't got a life but whatever! The site doesn't need luck (certainly from someone who doesn't give two hoots about giving correct information about Phillip Schofield) it's already a success and number one on google and will only move out of that place for the official site which is fine because it is working alongside our site! It was just the principle of things that got me the fact it was fine to be there for 2 years, now it isn't...and the fact that if you actually bothered to look at our site you would see that Phillip is involved in it, that there is exclusive information about Phillip on there and you are stopping people who search on wikipedia from viewing that! - Webkin
- Correct that which you say is incorrect, without adding your fan site link back in. There's a challenge for you. - Dudesleeper / Talk 21:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- Nah I will just remove what is TAKEN from my site, like the school information! I am not going to do you any favours!
- Doesn't bother me. It was unsourced anyway. - Dudesleeper / Talk 16:02, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Fair use
The picture I added is copyright. Will users who understand fair use better than I do decide if it can stay. Proxima Centauri 2 (talk) 10:56, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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Not many references to Philip's controversies here.
Find it slightly odd that there's barely any reference to Schofield's controversies, such as the purported affair he had with the This Morning runner, the queue jumping at the Queen's lying in state, Fern Britton saying he was bullying in the workplace and Ruth Langsford submitting a complaint about him before he requested she be dismissed from the show. Why is the majority of this not even briefly mentioned? And "this is just rumours" isn't really a justification given it is an issue of public image, and many other Wikipedia articles feature such controversies. 31.51.2.234 (talk) 21:20, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comparing to other Wikipedia articles never holds water, thankfully. All of the things you mention aren’t all that notable and/or are unlikely to have a reliable source. Seasider53 (talk) 00:41, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- The first two things you mentioned are now briefly mentioned in the article. --79.66.89.36 (talk) 14:35, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
"Coming Out"
Didn't he come out as gay decades ago? DavidFarmbrough (talk) 14:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
- Not to the public (albeit several references suggest many folks in TV already knew). It is largely speculated that he came out to control the media narrative about himself. 31.48.173.50 (talk) 22:17, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- "Media narrative"? Try b'lackmail by a former boyfriend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:BA13:4801:9C52:46C:182D:D4D1 (talk) 02:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
- That's what I was inferring to, as well as the superinjunction, but I didn't want it to get deleted haha. Loving the headlines at the moment though! 51.6.169.86 (talk) 14:16, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
- "Media narrative"? Try b'lackmail by a former boyfriend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:BA13:4801:9C52:46C:182D:D4D1 (talk) 02:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Tim Schofield
It would be good to have his brother down in siblings because they are still siblings and there is no reference of him . 51.191.194.89 (talk) 07:16, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Agree. He has made brief public comment about his brother's 2021 confession to him and his subsequent conviction. Very prominent news story. Here are reports in The Times and Hello of exchanges between the two: [6] [7] 205.239.40.3 (talk) 09:13, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Citation needed
There’s a citation needed regarding the age of the man Philip had an a affair with, at the end of the personal life section. I believe the ages quoted are rumours, and indeed the Sky News article use as a reference makes no mention of the age. Dangerscott (talk) 06:39, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hi there is currently a link to a gossip site which has spam links on it, also not sure the info is correct for example the location of the theater company is d
- URGENT;
- URGENT: there is currently a link to a gossip site claiming to name the person he had an affair with. This gossip site may be outing this person, has included childhood photos and this person isn't a public figure btw. The page also has spam links on it, also not sure the info is correct for example, the location of the theater company is given as dukinfield but googling suggests it's in holmfirth, not especially nearby place. Suggest waiting till the mainstream media report the info if
- URGENT: there is currently a link to a gossip site claiming to name the person he had an affair with. This gossip site may be outing this person, has included childhood photos and this person isn't a public figure btw. The page also has spam links on it, also not sure the info is correct for example, the location of the theater company is given as dukinfield but googling suggests it's in holmfirth, not especially nearby place. Suggest waiting till the mainstream media report the info, if they do. 212.159.171.239 (talk) 16:34, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- I removed this site before seeing the talk page. It was attached as a footnote to "Schofield confirmed a 2020 report" as if this was the report he was confirming, but none of the sources mention it specifically. Obviously inappropriate to say that he has confirmed this specific blog allegation in full, on current sources. --Belbury (talk) 19:27, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yes I've removed it too, I think this gossip site is putting the link in themselves and it may have been in an remkvi several times now, I'm not really familiar enough with Wikipedia to know but the edit you made a few hours ago seems different to the one I made just before that to remove it again. Annafjmorris (talk) 19:36, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- I removed this site before seeing the talk page. It was attached as a footnote to "Schofield confirmed a 2020 report" as if this was the report he was confirming, but none of the sources mention it specifically. Obviously inappropriate to say that he has confirmed this specific blog allegation in full, on current sources. --Belbury (talk) 19:27, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Deprecated details
Details of the legal discussions prior to publication of Katie Hind's article here, apologies, IPSO, Mishcon etc. [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12132035/He-declared-love-Phil-glitzy-awards-ceremony-got-shunted-show.html] No Swan So Fine (talk) 23:52, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Splitting proposal
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I propose that the section about the runner, This Morning culture and ITV’s involvement be split into a separate page called This Morning Backstage Culture and Phillip Schofield Runner Controversies. The content of the section goes far beyond Schofield, and this section has been snowballing in the media in the past days. 148.252.133.220 (talk) 23:37, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support – It seems that only just this weekend the dam has burst on the story of his leaving This Morning. I suspect that this story will be much bigger in the coming weeks and linked together with the rift.
Should we prepare to create a new article if this is the case? 148.252.133.220 (talk) 11:14, 28 May 2023 (UTC) > 148.252.133.220 (talk) 23:30, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- As of now, the May 2023 controversies only take up three paragraphs. I don't think that is enough to split into a different article. There may be more to come but that leans into WP:CRYSTAL territory. Everything is contained nicely in this article for the time being.LM2000 (talk) 11:39, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Not yet clear how much nobility the May 2023 controversies will have in the future. Lots of people have had affairs, and there have been some examples where, like Schofield, it's involved someone younger (e.g. Sheryl Crowe). All of them are covered in their respective articles without any need for a split one. I fully agree with the above comment, we should wait for the full conclusion of the controversies before splitting anything. --79.66.89.36 (talk) 13:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think it's pretty obvious that it is going to stretch far beyond simply "an affair with someone younger" so I would be prepared for a new article, particularly if it involves the structures and powers-at-be at ITV. 51.6.169.98 (talk) 15:18, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I’m hoping the media call it “Schofegate” for a cleaner title! 148.252.133.220 (talk) 16:06, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Prepare for ITV-Phillip Schofield Runner Controversy article in about a weeks time 148.252.133.220 (talk) 16:10, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- This is already getting bigger. [8]https://news.sky.com/story/amp/phillip-schofield-ex-this-morning-star-dr-ranj-singh-criticises-toxic-culture-at-itv-show-and-claims-he-was-managed-out-12892041.
- Should we start preparing? 148.252.133.220 (talk) 17:41, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I don't see why not. Might as well be prepared. Surely we can come up with a better title than "ITV-Phillip Schofield Runner Controversy" tho. --79.66.89.36 (talk) 19:02, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I tried to keep is condensed. How about:
- This Morning Backstage Culture and Phillip Schofield Runner Controversies 148.252.133.220 (talk) 19:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- That one's better. I think we should start a draft article for it now and then submit it later on, once we get enough reliable sources and further information. --79.66.89.36 (talk) 19:27, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think this article should be a somewhat of a timeline of This Morning contributors and the statements about the backstage culture of the show
- also talk about Schofield’s coming out and how Eamonn Holmes said there was more to it.
- etc etc etc 148.252.133.220 (talk) 19:37, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Very good ideas. As I said we could start the draft article and expand it from there. --79.66.89.36 (talk) 20:03, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- It’s now effecting the business side of ITV/This Morning. The sponsor of the show will not be renewing the sponsorship
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12134367/amp/This-Mornings-main-sponsor-Arnold-Clark-not-renewing-sponsorship-deal-ITV.html 148.252.133.220 (talk) 13:10, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- It just goes on and on lol. All the more reason to start that draft article, what we're witnessing is essentially an implosion of This Morning. --79.66.89.36 (talk) 22:15, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Very good ideas. As I said we could start the draft article and expand it from there. --79.66.89.36 (talk) 20:03, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- That one's better. I think we should start a draft article for it now and then submit it later on, once we get enough reliable sources and further information. --79.66.89.36 (talk) 19:27, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I don't see why not. Might as well be prepared. Surely we can come up with a better title than "ITV-Phillip Schofield Runner Controversy" tho. --79.66.89.36 (talk) 19:02, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Prepare for ITV-Phillip Schofield Runner Controversy article in about a weeks time 148.252.133.220 (talk) 16:10, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I’m hoping the media call it “Schofegate” for a cleaner title! 148.252.133.220 (talk) 16:06, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think it's pretty obvious that it is going to stretch far beyond simply "an affair with someone younger" so I would be prepared for a new article, particularly if it involves the structures and powers-at-be at ITV. 51.6.169.98 (talk) 15:18, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support – this interview from a former ITV/This Morning employee/presenter is more the reason to split the article. https://youtube.com/watch?v=SJZYrruKspU 148.252.133.220 (talk) 17:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- ITV will face the UK Parliament over this issue. Support split. Support support support.
- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/30/phillip-schofield-itv-parliamentary-committee-this-morning/ 148.252.133.220 (talk) 21:05, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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Please add the above split proposal to the top of the main article.
Sentence that needs updating
"Since 2006, he has presented The British Soap Awards. Between 2006 and 2008, he hosted the programme with Britton, but has presented alone since 2009."
This should be changed to "From 2006 to 2022, he presented The British Soap Awards. Between 2006 and 2008, he hosted the programme with Britton, but presented alone from 2009 to 2022. He planned on hosting in 2023, but later chose not to after resigning from ITV." 79.66.89.36 (talk) 14:32, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- He "resigned" with a P45 freshly printed! 51.6.169.98 (talk) 15:19, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Please do not include the name of the runner.
Someone has put a name to the runner who Schofield admitted to having an affair with. The runner is not being named by any credible media source, they have chosen to protect his identity, and therefore it must be removed from this article.
Additionally, the citation given is to an article from 2014 and has an image of the purported runner. All images in credible media sources in the UK are blurring his face and this article should not be linking to unblurred pictures.
Please remove the name, and while you're at it, increase the protection on this page. The names and images are incredibly sensitive at the moment. 51.6.169.98 (talk) 15:22, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Whereabouts is his name in the article? Unfortunately if his name is published, WP:NOTCENSORED 148.252.133.220 (talk) 15:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Someone's removed it now, thankfully. 51.6.169.98 (talk) 15:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Strange situation we have here, the internet knows his name. We have to balance out WP:NOTCENSORED and Wikipedia:NOTRIGHT 148.252.133.220 (talk) 15:44, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hang on a minute. I thought the only reason why Schofield fessed up was because his boyfriend "did not want to keep the affair secret" any more. If the affair is not secret, neither is his name. He's called (Redacted). There is a video about him here: (Redacted). Why can't Wikipedia name him? Will it get sued by Mishcon de Reya? 86.187.231.14 (talk) 15:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- The current reason he isn’t named is becuase there is no VERIFIED sources to say it’s his name. Look at WP:NOTRIGHT. Wikipedia’s info isn’t correct, it’s verifiable 148.252.133.220 (talk) 15:46, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- "Wikipedia's info isn’t correct." You said it mate. LMFAO. 86.187.231.14 (talk) 15:49, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wikiepdia’s information isn’t correct, it’s verifiable. U missed the last part of my sentence. Find one verifiable source that says his name, then u can include it 148.252.133.220 (talk) 15:52, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- "Wikipedia's info isn’t correct." You said it mate. LMFAO. 86.187.231.14 (talk) 15:49, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Not everything is about being sued. None of the British press are naming him, not even the Daily Mail, in an effort to safeguard someone vulnerable. Don't forget he was very young when the affair started and there are real, vulnerable people involved in this. If he ever decides to be named in the press, that gives us a) a verifiable citation and b) a moral indication that he is okay with being named. 51.6.169.98 (talk) 15:49, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- We need to balance out WP:NOTRIGHT WP:NOTCENSORED and WP:ONEEVENT
- We all know his name, but we have to wait for a credible source to name him, and should close it for now; readdress the issue if that happens. 148.252.133.220 (talk) 15:58, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12134665/More-photos-Phillip-Schofield-younger-ex-lover-emerge.html
- (Redacted)
- photos match and are both credible valid sources, and second source mentions runners name. Should we name as per WP:NOTCENSORED??? 148.252.133.220 (talk) 11:55, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- WP:SYNTH. Wikipedia doesn't do its own investigative journalism. --Belbury (talk) 12:12, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- No, Wikipedia does not link together multiple sources to reach a conclusion. 51.6.169.98 (talk) 12:26, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Dr Ranj Singh has named the runner
- (Redacted)
- Are we now going against WP:NOTCENSORED
- ? 148.252.133.220 (talk) 12:05, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Twitter, pff. WP:NOTCENSORED - you keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Here's how I read it: "Content will be removed if it is judged to violate Wikipedia's policies (especially those on biographies of living persons...". -- zzuuzz (talk) 12:40, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Look, it's very likely that the runner will soon share his story with the newspapers, particularly if the rumoured NDA runs out in either June or July. We don't need to name him until then, in my opinion. 51.6.169.98 (talk) 12:50, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- The current reason he isn’t named is becuase there is no VERIFIED sources to say it’s his name. Look at WP:NOTRIGHT. Wikipedia’s info isn’t correct, it’s verifiable 148.252.133.220 (talk) 15:46, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Someone's removed it now, thankfully. 51.6.169.98 (talk) 15:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Just to point out but the welfare of the person in question is none of our concern. If we have a verifiable source the person will be named. The consequences of that for the named individual are not open for consideration in this question and we don't censor accordingly. If there is a court injunction or otherwise barring disclosure then clearly that becomes a different matter; however the vulnerability of the person in question is not a legitimate reason to consider non-disclosure. If it is noteworthy and verified it will be included irrespective of these concerns. They are just not ours to mither with, Mtaylor848 (talk) 20:54, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
"after it emerged he had lied about an affair with a teenage colleague"
This sentence in the lead needs correcting as it's been confirmed that the runner was 18 when the affair started, legally making him an adult at the time of the affair, not a teenager. 79.66.89.36 (talk) 19:13, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- 18 is a teenager, hence eightTEEN 148.252.133.220 (talk) 19:18, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Very much true, but 18 is the first year you are legally classified as an adult in the UK, therefore he was not underage at the time of the affair. It's important viewers don't automatically assume he was underage at the time the affair began when it has been confirmed he was not. By no means am I condoning what happened and I would not have had an affair with a young man if I were Phillip, but it's important to clarify he wasn't underage. --79.66.89.36 (talk) 19:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Agree. “Teenage” goes against WP:UPFRONT. 148.252.133.220 (talk) 19:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Think it should be changed to "younger male colleague", or something along those lines, as it clarifies that he was not underage and therefore doesn't leave the reader thinking Phillip did something illegal. --79.66.89.36 (talk) 19:37, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- The BBC are now using the phrase "much younger colleague". But they have yet to use the word grooming. 86.187.175.10 (talk) 10:35, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Our readers know the difference between "teenager" and "underage teenager", and would pretty much expect that it would be mentioned if the young man was underage. Moons of Io (talk) 12:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Just noting here for context that the age of consent in the UK is 16. I can think of no valid reason for us to use the word 'teenager' here - it might be true, but it is not relevant, and it is inviting some sort of moral judgment which is not how we should write. Girth Summit (blether) 16:00, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Agree. “Teenage” goes against WP:UPFRONT. 148.252.133.220 (talk) 19:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Very much true, but 18 is the first year you are legally classified as an adult in the UK, therefore he was not underage at the time of the affair. It's important viewers don't automatically assume he was underage at the time the affair began when it has been confirmed he was not. By no means am I condoning what happened and I would not have had an affair with a young man if I were Phillip, but it's important to clarify he wasn't underage. --79.66.89.36 (talk) 19:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Mention of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat should be in the lead
Phillip Schofield took over the lead role in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat from Jason Donovan. This is a notable thing to include in the lead, as it is in the leads for the other people who have played Joseph (e.g. Donovan). 79.66.89.36 (talk) 22:18, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
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Change Scofield to Schofield in various places where it is spelt incorrectly 91.125.48.58 (talk) 06:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Change Philip to Phillip in various places where it is incorrect 91.125.48.58 (talk) 06:53, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think I've fixed all the instances of incorrect spelling, except where it is part of typos in the cited sources. Girth Summit (blether) 11:17, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Typo
"Schofield co-hosted ITV's coverage of the Prince William and Catherine Middleton's wedding" should be changed to "Schofield co-hosted ITV's coverage of Prince William and Catherine Middleton's wedding". 79.66.89.36 (talk) 21:51, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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