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Two edit requests
1. This is the first time I have seen a page with no edit links and lots of "edit requests" in the Talk. I would suggest that near the top or bottom of the page some text be added explaining why it is locked and how to suggest changes.
2. To the section stating that there is no interference with religious activities other than Islam, it is worth adding something like "However, religious proselytizing is illegal in the UAE." Because, like it or not, proselytizing is part of the "religious activities" of more than one religion, and people unaware of this law have been prosecuted and/or deported. Suggested citation: https://www.osac.gov/Country/UnitedArabEmirates/Content/Detail/Report/77d2e6dc-68e6-4dcd-91ea-1828235e7695 though there are many other online sources for this fact. 伟思礼 (talk) 04:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Is this encyclopedic?
The UAE offers businesses a strong enabling environment: stable political and macroeconomic conditions, a future-oriented Government, good general infrastructure and ICT infrastructure. Moreover, the country has made continuous and convincing improvements to its regulatory environment and is generally a top country for doing business.
Is this encyclopedic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.237.221 (talk) 12:02, 2 October 2019 (UTC) edited by SharabSalam (talk) 09:53, 7 October 2019 (UTC) to shorten it
- It's certainly more panglossian language than we normally see in Wikipedia country articles - and the cited source seems to be a PR outfit. Can someone suggest better language? BushelCandle (talk) 23:28, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
United Arab Emirates is an Absolute Federal Monarchy.
My name is Emarat Deira, I am a Law Professor in the University of Dubai for 40+ years, please read what i type carefully: The Constitution of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), as per the Arabic text, defines it as an Federal Monarchy, where the King has absolute powers that are not limited by the constitution. Therefore, the UAE is not a constitutional monarchy like Spain or the UK, but it is an absolute monarchy like Oman or Brunei, please change it to an absolute monarchy, as it pains me to see my country being called an constitutional monarchy, as it is incorrect. Wikipedia also agrees with me, as the UAE is listed as absolute monarchy here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_monarchy. Please make this change as soon as possible. Thanks, Emarat Deira, --Emarat Deira (talk) 18:51, 7 December 2019 (UTC) 40+ years Law Professor at the University of Dubai, and expert on the constitution of the UAE.
- Emarat Deira, First of all I would like to welcome you in Wikipedia and I wish we benefit from your experience on improving the overall quality of articles. Now, as WikiDan61 mentioned, here in Wikipedia it's all about verifiability and citing, where personal research is not allowed and such content can be challenged and removed, even if the editor is a known researcher or expert in the field. please post any links that can back your claim, because as per my understanding the UAE is a Federal Monarchy while each individual Emirate is Absolute Monarchy, as for what mentioned is the Wikipedia page of Absolute Monarchy, HH Sheikh Khalifa isn't an absolute monarch over the federation but on the Emirate of Abu Dhabi, adding him to list of absolute monarch is an error and should be removed. Regards UA3 (talk) 23:47, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
The UAE is a federal monarchy not absolute monarchy Zulu521 (talk) 23:52, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2019
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The uae is a Absloute monarchy. You can check the other Wikipedia and non wikipedia websites. But it is showing that it is a constitutional monarchy in the uae page. This deeply effects uae government powers and desicions. As it makes chaos for the monarch who has been undermined. 2.49.24.19 (talk) 20:35, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- See the above post, otherwise please point to reliable sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:48, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Absolute Monarchy
Please add "Absolute Monarchy" to the forme of government of the UAE (in the article), because the Map of Formes of Government painted it as Purple: Absolute Monarchy. Bot please auto sign this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.219.180.69 (talk) 23:40, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Not done.
- However, I have removed some internal links to Constitutional monarchy. BushelCandle (talk) 23:20, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
- how does an 'elective monarchy' end up with a 'president'?142.163.195.142 (talk) 11:46, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
- Read the article and follow the hyperlinks in blue to understand how. BushelCandle (talk) 22:02, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
- how does an 'elective monarchy' end up with a 'president'?142.163.195.142 (talk) 11:46, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2021
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This is in regards to the section on Languages, where it is said "Since the area was occupied by the British until 1971, English is the primary lingua franca in the UAE. As such, a knowledge of the language is a requirement when applying for most local jobs."
"As such" should be changed to "Consequently," "As a result," or something similar. The current text is an incorrect and unprofessional (albeit common) misapplication of the construct "as such", which means "acting or behaving as (the previously described noun)." In this case, "knowledge of the language" is not acting or behaving "as such" where such means "the primary lingua franca in the UAE." In other words, what this text is saying can be reduced to "Knowledge, acting as English, is a requirement when applying for most local jobs." While I have no doubt that knowledge of English is required for most local jobs, it's not because knowledge is itself English.
It would also be correct to leave "As such" but change the sentence to:
"As such, it is required when applying for most local jobs." Bubbleking (talk) 17:14, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
US Politicians
Can someone please explain why there are images of two US politicians (Pompeo, Trump) in an article that is supposed to be about UAE? Surely one will do. B. Fairbairn (talk) 13:17, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- It's the foreign relations section. There's a Putin in there too. Surely not doing anyone any harm, are they? I added in Joe Biden just to make it a bit more Democratic... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:30, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- Ha ha ha - anything to reduce bias and simultaneously put more stars and stripes flags on other country articles B. Fairbairn (talk) 11:04, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- It's the foreign relations section. There's a Putin in there too. Surely not doing anyone any harm, are they? I added in Joe Biden just to make it a bit more Democratic... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:30, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2021
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The statement endorsing in Wikipedia's voice of Mr Richard A. Clarke as an independently-reliable expert from US perspective on the US's war on so-called terror (WTW) across the wider WANA region in the "Foreign relations" subsection of "Government and politics" section: Ought to mention that almost immediately after the end of tenure for the 2-term Executive Administration he worked for, he went on to work for the "federal" Emirati regime for their military and surveillance development by setting up shop over there and in 2012, deepened his direct-ties with them which according to cited-statements in his 'Wikigraphy', strengthened even more and continues till date. —103.163.124.72 (talk) 16:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:39, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- I posit to add that Wikipedia's voice also acknowledge that he went on to work for the Emirati ruling clan afterwards and the briefly-mentioned progress of their relationship till date. Nothing more, nothing less. And IntelligenceOnline appears like a pretty good independently-reliable source, at least when it comes to the favorability for Uncle Sam. If the paywall for their scoops is a trouble, as far as I know: Wikipedia doesn't discourage the citation of or instruct editors to measure reliability of a citation by its access-level. Hopefully, I've managed to clarify every reasonable query as concisely as I could. —103.163.124.72 (talk) 17:01, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Not done for now: That's not really providing the actual "X to Y" prose. Per the edit request template,
"Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y".
ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:03, 29 July 2021 (UTC)- I want the addition after the prose which reads:
and immediately before the sentence which comes up after the single inline-citation of aforementioned-sentence reading:The United Arab Emirates and the United States enjoy very close strategic ties. The UAE has been described as the United States' best counter-terrorism ally in the Gulf by Richard A. Clarke, the US national security advisor and counter-terrorism expert.
There! Hope that helps with every reasonable-doubt for anybody with goodwill towards the change perceivably not laudatory towards Mr Clarke. Now, if you happen to further state that I must precisely rewrite the whole prose exactly as I see fit with all of punctuation, spacing and syntax in tip-top shape, even though as a reviewer: You are supposed to edit it in a far better given your supposed experience, then I must better be exceptionally-accorded the privileges to edit this article myself, don't you think? Because the suspected "current process" sounds less like "collaborative" and how shall I put it? Let's just say, far more off-putting. —103.163.124.72 (talk)The US maintains three military bases in the UAE.
- It is not the reviewers responsibility to copyedit your proposed changes. Reviewers are basically only responsible for implementing changes that meet Wikipedia policy and guidelines and improve articles.
- It's still unclear what exact text you want added to the article. Can you please type out your contribution verbatim and specify exactly which words from the article are to be replaced with your contribution? For example "Where the article says 'X', it should instead say 'Y'." Otherwise we will not be able to evaluate and review your edit request. ––FormalDude(talk) 22:27, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ohhhh.. So is that how it's gonna go? Must add, while I've found nothing in an "edit request" guideline anywhere that a senior-editor can't be courteous enough to copyedit the aptly-verifiable addition proposed by a junior-editor but if that's how it's gonna be, here's my one-and-done effort I could possibly afford. Place this addition in the very same place as prescribed in my preceding-reply:
Immediately after the second term of President George W. Bush ended, he went on to establish the subsidiary of his private firm Good Harbor Consulting in Abu Dhabi.[1] Within next 3 years, he strengthened his relationship with the Emirates which continues to this day.[2]
- Hopefully, now everything is clear to the most-reasonable extent as anything else would require me to leave all of my life behind and go in an essay-length lesson from scratch. —103.163.124.72 (talk) 09:44, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- I've removed the sentence. The exact quote from that ref in p.138 is that the UAE was "both a valued counterterrorism ally of the United States and a persistent counterterrorism problem." We shouldn't cherrypick which part of that sentence we want in the article. Furthermore, that sentence isn't attributed to Clarke at all.
- As for IP: you need to be very precise with what you want to change. It's not about the exact syntax and grammar of the change; we can fix it if we put it in). Put simply: we can't read your mind, and you haven't been clear enough up until your latest reply. ◢ Ganbaruby! (talk) 21:34, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- I want the addition after the prose which reads:
References
- ^ "Richard Clarke's Big Footprint in United Arab Emirates". Intelligence Online. 19 March 2009. Retrieved {{subst:TODAY}}.
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(help) - ^ "Richard Clarke focuses on emirate". Intelligence Online. 4 October 2012. Retrieved {{subst:TODAY}}.
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Suggestion: section on science and technology
Hi, just a small suggestion, many country articles have a section on science and technology, please could one be created for UAE?
Thanks
John Cummings (talk) 13:36, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed. Unfortunately this article is written like a Human Rights Watch country profile, where human rights and laws closely followed by foreign policy make the bulk of the article (with exact dates) while the rest is completely ignored. Some areas need to be trimmed while others such as science and technology need to be expanded/created. Gorebath (talk) 08:27, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
RfC: Authoritarianism in the lead
Should the lead include text along the lines of "The UAE has been widely described as an authoritarian state" and "According to human rights organizations, there are systematic human rights violations in the UAE"? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 23:34, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- “The government follows a policy of tolerance toward other religions and rarely interferes in the religious activities of non-Muslims,” it says. The sections on human rights suggest otherwise. 伟思礼 (talk) 22:20, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Survey
- Yes. There is no disagreement in reliable sources, in particular academic publications, that the UAE has an authoritarian regime type. It's basic and uncontested information about the UAE's political system. In their coverage of the UAE across issue areas, RS and academic analyses overwhelmingly cover the authoritarian nature of the political system, as it defines and shapes the political, economic and social life in the UAE. It would be a strange omission if Wikipedia were not to remark on the country's political system. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 23:43, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- It is not omitted when the nature of the UAE's political system is described in the body of the article alongside its proper attributable description. Gorebath (talk) 00:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- No. Most countries outside the western hemisphere world are authoritarian and are not-democratic. It would be absurd to characterize every single country's lead paragraph as "this country is authoritarian" or "not democratic" or "dictatorship", which is basically the case for most countries outside of the western world. The added statement is vague that it can be basically added to every middle eastern, african, and most asian countries. It is not specific to this country's page. Governments, including in the western hemisphere world, have systematic human rights violations as per rights organizations as well as the United Nations. Unless a particular country is reprimanded daily or highly associated with human right abuses and crimes against humanity on a daily basis, I don't see the need for including such vague statement in the lead . Gorebath (talk) 00:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yes. It seems like a neutral and necessary description, supported by numerous reliable sources. FWIW, ·I've spent a great deal of time in UAE, mostly Abu Dhabi and Sharjah - I always enjoyed my time there, I have no animus against the country or its people, but it is undoubtedly authoritarian and we should not shy away from describing it as such. Girth Summit (blether) 00:39, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yes The lead should reflect the available sources. Dimadick (talk) 03:14, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Conditional No unless someone provides statistics showing that characterization of countries as authoritarian in the lede section is common. There are slightly more than 200 countries in the world, of which at least half are authoritarian. Do we characterize between 50 and 100 of them as authoritarian? If that isn't the rule, then we should only make that statement in the article body. That is, be consistent with other country articles. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:38, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - European democracies are not in the western hemisphere and are not authoritarian. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:39, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- No due to the phrasing, any item which needs to be attributed or caveated with its author or weasel words is probably undue in the lead. I am not opposed to touching upon the topics, if they are weaved into other text instead of standing along and needing to be attributed. CMD (talk) 08:06, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Do you support adding "UAE is an authoritarian state" in Wikipedia's voice? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 13:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Seems somewhat inelegant, would prefer a broader sentence about the governing system which mentions the absolute control. CMD (talk) 15:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Maybe we could incorporate the first sentence from Politics of the United Arab Emirates and parts of the third paragraph? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:06, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Looking at the current lead, politics and governance takes up most of the second paragraph already. Given this, I would suggest a modification describing governance, perhaps around "Each emirate is governed by", would be the best way to include information without adding much more length. CMD (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- YES And regarding other countries lead, the style from Eritrea would work fittingly here.
"Eritrea is a unitary one-party presidential republic in which national legislative and presidential elections have never been held.[25][7] Isaias Afwerki has served as president since its official independence in 1993. According to Human Rights Watch, the Eritrean government's human rights record is among the worst in the world.[26] The Eritrean government has dismissed these allegations as politically motivated.[27] Freedom of the press in Eritrea is extremely limited, the Press Freedom Index consistently ranks it as one of the least free countries. As of 2021 Reporters Without Borders considers the country to have the overall worst press freedom in the world as all media publications and access are heavily controlled by the government."
Ip says (talk) 19:27, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- False equivalence fallacy. Eritrea is ranked the lowest in Press Freedom Index which is why its included in its lead, and despite being authoritarian that fact is not directly stated. For the sake of comparison, the United Arab Emirates ranks higher than India, Mexico, Singapore and Eritrea in the same index. It would be illogical to add the same statement to the lead paragraph of all these countries articles using the same style you're suggesting. Gorebath (talk) 20:58, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comments: The UK is a federal constitutional monarchy. It seems misleading to portray the UAE simply as having the same form of government when clearly there are fundamental differences. I am not sure why such exemptions would be offered such as if a country is "reprimanded daily or highly associated with human right abuses and crimes against humanity on a daily basis". The UAE does seem to have a fairly long history of alleged human rights violations so why try to water it down? I am not so concerned with how the government is listed (or omitted) in the lead in other articles but think it a consideration to look at other B-class or better articles with the same form of government. The question would be: Is the UAE actually an authoritarian state according to reliable sources? If so I would wonder why it was not included in the lead. -- Otr500 (talk) 01:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- No one is suggesting to "water it down" and I dont think anyone suggested that the UK and UAE have the same form of government. The question is not whether UAE is authoritarian in reliable sources or not. The added statement is not unique enough to the country its in the lead paragraph of. The sentence added can be copy pasted to every other middle eastern country and still be true. Hundreds of other countries are authoritarian and there's no precedent to add to the lead page of hundreds of articles that they're "authoritarian" in the lead. The proper description "authoritarian" is added adequately in the politics section and explained thoroughly in that section. Unless UAE has unique suppressive attributes that is equivocal to North Korea or Eritrea style in reliable sources adding this vague sentence in the lead adds nothing of value. With your similar reasoning, the UK also has a long history of human rights violations, none of which are added to the United Kingdom article lead paragraph. Gorebath (talk) 05:07, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comments: Where are the sources? TrangaBellam (talk) 11:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- The rullers of Dubai and Abu Dhabi have "effective veto power" over the presidential election so it is not any form of
democracyelective in the lowest form. -- Otr500 (talk) 20:49, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- No. It is not important enough to be in the lead of the article. There is already a paragraph talking about this in detail under section Government and Politics. More important topics like the history of the country is missing from the lead.Maplecreek1 (talk) 04:04, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- I don't have a pony in this race and ended up here from a feedback request. Adding
The United Arab Emirates is an elective monarchy
, standing alone, seems misleading. Is it not correct that the President has come from the same ruling family, as does the Prime Minister, since the founding of the UAE? Regardless of the reason to show it as an "elective" monarchy in the lead, it seems misleading as the positions are (have been) hereditary since the founding and any vote to the contrary could be vetoed. "IF" "authoritarian" does not find favor then maybe "hereditary autocracy" as it does show up in sources. I do think that a label of an authoritarian state "According to human rights organizations" alone would not be acceptable as more mainstream sources would need to be included and why I have only commented thus far. Anyway, I am loading my pony into the trailer so have a great day. -- Otr500 (talk) 13:10, 16 January 2022 (UTC)- Your point is kind of off-topic, but I'll attempt to clarify it. It is not uncommon that elective monarchies become hereditary. Per the constitution, in a pure law form it is a closed election where the supreme federal council elects one of them to be the leader of the union, much like the pope. By word of convention, it has always been the rulers of Abu Dhabi. The position is not automatically passed down to the eldest son of Abu Dhabi's sheikh as would be expected in a hereditary monarchy. All members of the supreme federal council are hereditary absolute monarchs of their own emirates, so the royal families stay the same. For example, the expected next president for example is not the current President Sheikh Khalifa's son. His half brother is expected to be voted into the position.As for prime minister, the ruler of Dubai did not assume that position until 7 years after independence. Gorebath (talk) 21:10, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yes per Girth Summit. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:18, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- No. Many, many governments are authoritarian and even more are regularly criticized by human rights groups. I sometimes feel like there's an effort to awkwardly wedge whatever negative political content we can think of into country article leads. Just give a basic description of the country in the lead, we can go into the details of what human rights organizations say in the body. By the way, I agree with User:Chipmunkdavis that anything that can't be stated directly in wikivoice probably doesn't belong in the lead of an article about a country. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:46, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yes. By necessity, in describing any state or polity, you have to mention what it is. Those familiar with Arabic would know from it's very title, that it is some sort of hereditary monarchy. But most English speakers won't be aware that "Emirate" is the equivalent of "Kingdom" or perhaps "Principality".
The current version has an awful lot of words, but they don't tell the everyday leader much of anything. "The United Arab Emirates is an elective monarchy formed from a federation of seven emirates [sic]... Each emirate [sic] is governed by a Sheikh and, together, they form the Federal Supreme Council; one of them serves as President of the United Arab Emirates."
Ok, sounds cool. John Q. Citizen's response? "So, they have a president, and it's an 'elected monarchy', a bunch of 'Sheeeks' decide who'll be president..... right?"
What's does the word "Sheikh" mean in this context? What does the the term "elective monarchy" mean in this context? Are these free "elections"? Secret ballot?
We could simply state what it says on the Wiki page dedicated to its politics[1] and leave out the all the trivia (for most people that's what it amounts to) and the context about the intricacies of how the Emirate operates as an Emirate..... But just simply stating "it's an authoritarian state ruled by tribal autocrats who allow no democracy" for brevity's sake, because it's the lede, would also be doing a disservice to the reader. I think there's a middle way. A few extra words make make it appear less clean, but they will go along way towards giving the casual reader an understanding of what kind of polity it is.
I've gotta run, but a quick suggestion:
"The United Arab Emirates is a federation of seven pre-existing Emirates (roughly equivalent to a Principality in the Western tradition), each ruled by a Sheikh (a tribal elder, who acts as Governor). As has been customary in Arabian culture, their political leaders are not necessarily chosen on a purely hereditary basis - the firstborn son does not automatically end up as the heir apparent - but through consultation between Sheikh and his advisors. Due to the relative wealth and prestige Abu Dhabi and Dubai have compared to the other Emirates, it is customary that the Sheikh of the former be appointed President, and the latter, Prime Minister. The UAE is classed as an authoritarian state, and as a "tribal autocracy". There are no democratically elected officials or institutions."
I deliberately use the term "ruled by" as that is how it appears in the Arabic, and that is also their official title in addition to Sheikh, "Ruler (حُكم , "Hakim") of Dubai, Abu Dhabi, etc.[2] Although, we could potentially just drop Sheikh altogether (it does have very antiquated connotations nowadays) and just say Ruler... - EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 05:27, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- While your attempt is a good one, it unfortunately wedges a lot of misconceptions. Abu Dhabi and Dubai retaining the Presidency and Prime minister-ship is not written in law but obeyed by convention and is due to the fact that Abu Dhabi and Dubai formed a 2 state union agreement first called the Dubai agreement and then the other emirates joined, and pay more than the others for the federal budget rather than purely secondary to "prestige" as explained in Abdulla Oman Taryam's The Establishment of the United Arab Emirates 1950-85 book. I don't see why the encyclopedia should cater to western audience and represent American or European perspective on native English-speaking editors from Anglophone countries to explained that an emirate is, what is called a principality and that there's no democracy as democracy is not the stated normal in most of the world. This is unfortunately an example of WP:BIAS. The lead is not the place where the intricate details of the country's politics should be explained. Gorebath (talk) 23:01, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Yes and also the selected pose ought to be mentioned: "In 2020, United Arab Emirates (UAE) authorities continued to invest in a “soft power” strategy aimed at painting the country as a progressive, tolerant, and rights-respecting nation, yet its fierce intolerance of criticism was on full display..." https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2021/country-chapters/united-arab-emirates However, this does not preclude inclusion of statistical and/or documented facts that may, at a glance (@Snooganssnoogans), not appear to support the statement.JAnnora2 (talk) 21:57, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
RfC: Criminal punishments in lead
Should "Sharia courts have exclusive jurisdiction over a wide range of laws; amputation and stoning are considered legal punishments, with apostasy from Islam and homosexuality punishable by death." be removed from the lead after law changes. Vyvagaba (talk) 20:11, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Survey for lead sentence RfC
- Yes. The UAE rewrote it's Penal Code in between 2020, November of 2021. The were effective at the start of 2022, that was announce. Although never applied, the new penal code does not incorporate any punishments based on "Hudud". Although the death penalty for blasphemy was never applied, it is legally not punishble by death since 2015.[1] The list of punishments handed down by courts was updated in 2015, and does not include amputation or stoning.[2] The death penalty was never applied on homosexuality, and all consentual extra-marital relations are legal since 2022,
"The law also punishes with imprisonment for a period of no less than six months, consensual extra-marital intercourse with a person aged over 18 years, noting that a criminal case for this crime is only instituted on the basis of a complaint from the husband or guardian. In all cases, the husband or guardian has the right to waive the complaint, and the waiver entails the expiration of the criminal case or the suspension of the execution of the penalty, as the case may be.
The new law effectively decriminalizes consensual relationships out of wedlock."The law also punishes with imprisonment for a period of no less than six months, consensual extra-marital intercourse with a person aged over 18 years, noting that a criminal case for this crime is only instituted on the basis of a complaint from the husband or guardian. In all cases, the husband or guardian has the right to waive the complaint, and the waiver entails the expiration of the criminal case or the suspension of the execution of the penalty, as the case may be. The new law effectively decriminalizes consensual relationships out of wedlock, [3]
This quote is published on the state news agency press release. The law in Arabic, the official language in the country, is a lot more specific, the direct translation is along the lines of: No criminal case is made for consentual sexual relations between a person, and another person, a male or female, except when a complaint is filed by a marrige partner or gaurdian. The case is dropped if the parent or gaurdian withdraws their complaint."[4]
I think the removal is appropriate and these changes should be made on other Category:United Arab Emirates pages. I understand that bad press is usually what triggers floods of edits, but I think that these changes should be acknowledged.
Vyvagaba (talk) 20:11, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- This is all your own interpretation of primary source documents and the UAE government's own press releases. What do reliable sources say? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 20:25, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- In addition to this, the sentence in question covers a number of topics, and the explanation here only touches on one item actually in the sentence (amputation and stoning). I'm confused as to why the explanation focuses almost entirely on sex outside of marriage, which is not mentioned in the sentence in question. CMD (talk) 07:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- You can't be punished on something that's not a crime. So homesexuality is clearly does not hold a death sentence, the law covering religions mentions apostasy and the charge sentence for that is not the death penalty. Stoning and amputation are no longer legal punishments. You will find all these details of these in the new penal code, meaning that nothing in the sentence is valid anymore. All the details of these can be found in the sources above, and it would be worth mentioning if there are reports come in mentioning that these changes are not applied in practice. Vyvagaba (talk) 07:10, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- The sentence in the lead is no longer accurate if it says:
- "Sharia courts have exclusive jurisdiction over a wide range of laws;"
- "amputation and stoning are considered legal punishments, with apostasy from Islam and homosexuality punishable by death."
- I think that a change in legal penal code that addresses all of these is topics is enough to nullify the sentence. It would be a different conversation if these changes are not being applied in practice, but so far there are no reports of such.
- I have removed the sentence from the lead, all the other notes from HRW and Amnesty about human rights are still there to keep the essence of the paragraph. Vyvagaba (talk) 06:59, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- In addition to this, the sentence in question covers a number of topics, and the explanation here only touches on one item actually in the sentence (amputation and stoning). I'm confused as to why the explanation focuses almost entirely on sex outside of marriage, which is not mentioned in the sentence in question. CMD (talk) 07:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- This is all your own interpretation of primary source documents and the UAE government's own press releases. What do reliable sources say? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 20:25, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Question - Has anyone been executed in the UAE in the past few decades for homosexuality? If not, the way the lede is phrased seems a little WP:POINTy. NickCT (talk) 15:41, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- No, at least nothing by reliable sources. It's a common knowledge that homosexuality, depsite seen as a taboo to cultural norms, is widely tolerated. There are literally guides on where to find gay bars. It does seem a bit taken way too pointy to illustrate an non-existant point where homosexuals are allegedly killed. Gorebath (talk) 23:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Federal Decree Law No. 2 of 2015" (PDF).
- ^ "Federal Decree Law No. (15) of 2020". UAE MOJ.
- ^ "UAE adopts largest legislative reform in its history". Emirates News Agency. 27 November 2021. Retrieved 22 April 2022.
- ^ "Emirates News Agency" (in Arabic).
Islamic state?
I added that it is an Islamic state because their constitution states that Sharia is a primary basis for their laws; it seems some editors disagree. I welcome comments from other editors about where that line is drawn. Is it only an Islamic state if their courts function only by Sharia, without elements of common or civil law? ― Tartan357 Talk 23:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- It's an Islamic state if a consensus of RSs say it is. What we think doesn't come into it. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:32, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
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Percentages add up to more than 100%
In the section Government And Politics, paragraph Administrative Divisions, there is a table which provides the population number of al the emarites. In this table the percentage of the population in each emarite adds up to 105.5%. Something is wrong here. 87.212.40.233 (talk) 14:16, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Your math is slightly off however you are correct that it does not add up to 100%. Instead it adds up to 107.1% so some of the numbers are incorrect here. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:25, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- The old ref seems to have been removed in 2018 in this edit, so you may wish to ask Badass Flare whether he has a new source. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:45, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm. And the religions in the infobox add up to 250%. Some shaky maths going on. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Drug Crimes in UAE
Would Like To add to the discussion and explain the legal situation of drug abuse in United Arab Emirates according to UAE CRIMINAL LAW MohamedHilalz (talk) 10:44, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- Not sure about the reliability of that source, but please consider editing subarticles instead. CMD (talk) 13:12, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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Map currently incorrect.
The map erroneously highlights Yemen instead of the UAE at this time. 72.89.218.21 (talk) 12:14, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- That was vandalism, it has been corrected. CMD (talk) 12:59, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
Food
Traditional dishes include Maq'louba, Margooga, Harees, Machbous, Frsee'ah, Fireed, Jisheid, and Mishwy. Breakfast in the UAE usually features breads like raqaq, khameer, and chebab, served with cheese, date syrup, or eggs.Along the coasts, fish was found in abundance. The Emiratis learnt to store fish by drying it and made it accessible to those living in the deserts and oases. In the deserts and mountainous regions, Emiratis largely relied on camel milk and meat. Meat of sheep and goat were also staple.The Bedouins of the Arabian Peninsula, Middle East and North Africa rely on a diet of dates, dried fruit, nuts, wheat, barley, rice, and meat. The meat comes from large animals such as cows, sheep, and lambs. They also eat dairy products: milk, cheese, yoghurt, and buttermilk (labneh). Ritha34 (talk) 17:42, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2023
Someone vandalised the article. 5.90.181.94 (talk) 14:30, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- I don’t want the article to be vandalised again. 5.90.181.94 (talk) 14:30, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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