Talk:Atlantis

Kodiak Island

Can we add a mention under location hypothesis of Kodiak Island as discussed in the following book:

https://archive.org/details/atlantis-and-its-fate-in-the-postdiluvian-world

Reasons:

1) Similarities between the Kircher Map of Atlantis and Kodiak Island during the Younger Dryas, and that Kodiak at that time fits many of Plato's dimensions.

2) Similarities between the "Aeletean" kings of Ancient Egypt, thought to have come from a faraway land, and the modern word "Aleutian". Other historians also imply there was a colony from India and the Far East south of Egypt in antiquity near "Punt" where the Ancient Egyptians believed their gods, the same ones aligned with the Aeletean kings, came from.

3) Sonar imaging of an underwater site southeast of Chirikof Island might imply a sunken human face monument and ruins that would put the pyramids at Giza to shame.

4) Genetic evidence of the X2 haplogroup in the Bayahira Oasis region of Egypt suggests a link to Native North Americans, suggesting Beringia as a possible origin point for Atlantis. The Berbers of North Africa also share a relative with the Sami circa 7,000 BCE, who would have been in Northern Siberia at the time. 47.32.37.155 (talk) 14:37, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

A self-published book isn't a reliable source. Schazjmd (talk) 14:39, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Disagree, the claim any book based on how it is published is not a reliable source is quite frankly ludicrous, and anyone making such a statement should not be moderating anything. The information in a book, and the arguments it makes, is what makes something a reliable source, not how it is published. Many self-publish to avoid censorship and editorial overreach. 47.32.37.155 (talk) 16:25, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

"CHAPTER FIVE: ON UAP; € DETECTING TIME-DILATING PHENOMENA". ROFL. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:53, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

And "CHAPTER SIX: ON TIME TRAVEL" shows a rather weak grasp of physics. Donald Albury 16:03, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

I think we can leave out reviews, this is not a forum. Slatersteven (talk) 16:23, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Evaluating potential sources is a legitimate use of article talk pages, and using the ridiculous chapter titles to show why we aren't going to cite this nonsense saves a lot of unnecessary waffle. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:26, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Where us your evidence that its fiction then?

Plato never wrote a single piece of fiction and there is 0 evidence to support this claim. Its pure speculation, you should be clear about the controversy instead of starting with "its fiction". Even if you feel strongly, its wrong to do that. 72.48.43.29 (talk) 22:42, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Atlantis/Archive 7#Rfc: Atlantis as Fiction, Allegory. Deor (talk) 00:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Or, we go by what RS say. Slatersteven (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Plato also didn't write factual history. He was a philosopher; his works contain many so-called "Platonian myths" that are meant to illustrate various philosophical arguments (e.g., Ring of Gyges), but are not to be understood as historiography in the sense of Herodotus. --bender235 (talk) 05:11, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

History isn't always taught accurately and that's just the way it is. 50.35.104.160 (talk) 09:33, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I wrote so much more in my reply to you that was truncated. History is crafted by dishonest people, they censor, block, truncate and oppress without care of who they offend, so long as their narrative is the only one seen. 50.35.104.160 (talk) 09:37, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Maybe, but we go by what RS say, and if history is made up by dishonest people....why was Plato not dishonest, form was he not writing history? If he was not writing history then how do you know Atlantis was not fictional, as he was speaking philosophicaly? Slatersteven (talk) 10:48, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Need to see the story from an Egyptian point of view.

Plato through Critias and Dropides states the story comes from Solon from an Egyptian Saite source. This was the capital of Egypt in the 26th Dynasty, 664-525 BCE a Lybian dynasty descendent from Bakenranef (Greek Bocchoris). Solon lived c. 630 – c. 560 BCE, at exactly this period, and travelled for 10 years starting with Egypt during the reign of Amasis II or Ahmose II.

Looking at this from an Egyptian point of view, suggests that the Hieroglyphic hieratic could easily confuse a hundred with a thousand. Thus rather than 9,000 years earlier it would be 900 years earlier, a Late Bronze Age point of view, which more accurately fits the description of the times. 1460 was the date for the Battle of Megiddo, when Thutmose III defeated the Canaanites, who, as Hyksos, had earlier ruled Egypt.

The Egyptians did not know the Mediterranean was landlocked. It was called "the Great Green" and there was it was believed, a chain of islands (Cyptus, Crete, the Peloponesse, Southern Italy, Sicily and Sardinia, stretched between Asia and Africa. The discovery of another continent beyond the sea (A-thalassa) could have been the land of Atlas (Atlantis). From 1174, an invasion of the people of the islands trying to invade Egypt and Athens, could have been the origin of the Atlantis story John Dudley Croft (talk) 06:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Please read WP:NOTFORUM. AndyTheGrump (talk) 07:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

and wp:or. Slatersteven (talk) 12:22, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Atlantis has been found

Atlantis has been found, It Is the Sardinian Corsican geological block. You can find info on Google searching for the words Official Discovery of Atlantis 62.19.157.0 (talk) 08:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

It's not our job to search for anything. If you have a link to the source, please provide it here so we can assess it for reliability. HiLo48 (talk) 08:58, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Atlantis is always being found we need RS saying this is Atlantis. Slatersteven (talk) 12:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)