Talk:Michael Jackson

Different Picture?

I was just wondering if it would be better to use a more recent picture of Michael. This picture is from 1984, but surely a picture taken around the time of death would be more suitable. 90.200.115.43 (talk) 10:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

This is another topic covered by the FAQ section at the top of the page. A copyrighted image is unsuitable for the infobox due to WP:NFCC requirements.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 11:17, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't get it, we do need a new picture. I mean the man wasn't even black anymore. We need a picture his invincable tour or somthing. It's Me :) O Yea its me.. Washington95 (talk) 16:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

There is a longstanding request for any recent copyright free pictures of Michael Jackson to be donated to Wikipedia. The issue of how Wikipedia articles provide images of celebrities (which is not at all easy due to WP:NFCC) was discussed in this New York Times article. Incidentally, Halle Berry's infobox image has been changed since the NYT article was published in July 2009.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:42, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

He already looked like a ghost before he died. Why not just keep the current picture up from the 1980s, the way he looked when he came over to Chunk's house because he had to use the bathroom. 12.41.204.3 (talk) 17:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand I'm trying to argue or be mean. I just don't understand why people have to be so tight. I mean I think a Picture is a picture. Why make it so other people can't use it? I find it "stupid".It's Me :) O Yea its me.. Washington95 (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

The record sales issue (again)

Micheal Jackson

{{editsemiprotected}} Micheal Jackon has sold over 9 million albums since his passing that has not been noted on his wikipedia page. on july 16th 2009 mtv said that micheal had sold an estimated 9 million albums since his passing. its not included on his page please include it here the link. www.mtv.com/news/articles/1616358/.../jackson_michael.jhtml -

Micheal jackson has sold over 750 million records not between 350 million - 750 million as it states on his page. every page under google when you put in this line( how many albums has micheal jackson sold worldwide) .on November 14th 2006 Guiness book of records also gave micheal jackson the most successful entertainer of all time award partly because he sold 750 records. you can look it up yourselves. www.worldrecordsacademy.org/.../most_successful_entertainer_of_all_time- Michael_Jackson_sets_world_record%20_90258.htm

Please make the changes as it is the facts.

They say things come in threes, and since we have already had the conversion to Islam and infobox picture issue today, this completes the set. The "facts" about Michael Jackson's record sales are all estimates by various sources. The article has already been fully protected due to edit warring by people who failed to see this. The wording in the lead represents WP:CONSENSUS.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:17, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

There is somethinig very, very strange going on with the new figure in Wikpedia no way can 750 million record sales drop by approx half without A LOT of detail expanation…look into this. Very fishy, indeed!!

cant we use both article which claim 350 million and the other which cliam 750 million instead of the wsj article beacuase does'nt it say on wikipedia articles must come either from highly regarded news services or highly regarded music related sources such as MTV, VH1, articles published by major record companies such as Sony Music or Universal Music are acceptable as well

these are much more reliable than the wsj which does not even say anything about 350 million sales for this person it does not even calculate singles, videograph,Compilation albums it only calculates studio albums such Off the Wall , Thriller, Bad , Dangerous ,HIStory ,Invincible not all of him albums —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clifffrichard (talk • contribs) 00:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

@Cliffrichard: please avoid clogging up the talk page by saying the same things over and over again. The consensus is not to argue over the tired old 300-750 million records dispute. The Wall Street Journal article here looks at how this long running saga came about.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 20:04, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Infobox image

I don't want to set off any edit warring here, so can I ask what other users' thoughts are about the current infobox image (added here)? Is it a) better than the 1984 White House image? and b) is its sourcing as copyright free watertight? The fact that it is on Commons is not necessarily a guide. Personally, I prefer the 1984 White House image.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The image is on Commons here and has some rights reserved with a copyright (in the bottom right hand corner of the picture) attributed to Drew Cohen. I've put back the 1984 picture for the time being.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

What aboout this one?

http://www.broadwayworld.com/columnpic/michael_jackson.jpg

It's Me :) O Yea its me.. Washington95 (talk) 17:26, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Nice image, but is it copyrighted? The consensus is that only a free image can be used in the infobox due to WP:NFCC#1. Images found on Google etc are almost certainly copyrighted and cannot be used.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:18, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

You know, something has to be brought up to Wikipedia about this "fair use" stuff? I mean, Michael has to be one of the most photographed men in the world. Exactly HOW is one supposed to find a non-copyrighted photo of him? MaJic (talk) 23:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Michael Jackson tribute concert in Vienna

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/sep/08/michael-jackson-tribute-concert-lineup

http://www.nme.com/news/michael-jackson/47192

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8243898.stm

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/a176375/jackson-tribute-lineup-announced.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clifffrichard (talk • contribs) 15:36, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

the tribute concert in vienna has now been postponed but has been rescheduled for London in June 2010

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8250709.stm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/latest/2009/09/11/jackson-tribute-postponed-to-2010-115875-21665851/

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2633176/Britain-will-host-the-Jackson-tribute-concert.html

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/a176928/jackson-tribute-concert-rescheduled.html

Jackson dressed in women's clothing

In 2006 Michael Jackson was caught by photographers dressed in women's clothing in a shopping mall in the Gulf state of Bahrain. Jackson was dressed in a black abaya (a traditional full-length robe), a veil covering his face, dark sunglasses and gloves. Jackson was accompanied by three young, Western-looking children, their faces covered with black veils, and an adult woman wearing an abaya over jeans, her face partly covered, and bodyguards. Shouldn't this be included in the article? Wikiwiserick (talk) 22:22, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

• Why? --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 22:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

This was shortly after the 2005 trial and shows that Jackson tried to hide his predilection for being with children. Wikiwiserick (talk) 22:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Says who? Rodhullandemu 22:40, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

LOL MJ HAD three (western) children, as you might have heard, and had no reason to hide the association.FrauBluecher (talk) 01:19, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Several newspapers reported the event. Wikiwiserick (talk) 22:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's noteworthy enough to include in the article. Jackson was always very aggressive about avoiding paparazzi. What makes this incident special? Mktyscn (talk) 23:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Is he referring to this? http://twitpic.com/h6w0o? MaJic (talk) 23:09, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

No, I think he is refering to this. Mktyscn (talk) 23:39, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Prince

MJ's sons are named for his grandfather, not for the artist generally known as such. Besides I'm pretty sure Prince's name was legally changed in Prince Michael Jackson after the divorce from DR, hence Blanket being II.FrauBluecher (talk) 00:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

source: http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_10577 FrauBluecher (talk) 01:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Second child sexual abuse allegations

Both quotes are out of context. It seems as if Liz Taylor knew Gavin Arvizo. This is not the case, if I am not very much mistaken. She was talking about other children, MJ and herself hanging out. The Dr Katz quote makes it seem as if he was calling MJ innocent, which was not his intention. These quotes should just be deleted. FrauBluecher (talk) 01:15, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Instruments

How come under "Instruments", Michael Jackson's has only been listed as vocals. I'm aware no one in public had ever seen Michael playing any intruements.

Michael Jackson is listed on various album notes as having played guitar, keyboard, drums and percussion. For example on the song Morphine he is listed as guitar player (along with Slash) and drums, and Don't Stop Till You Get Enough as percsssion player.

Teddy Riley said in 1992 Rolling Stone Magazine cover article on Michael Jackson that he was a brilliant guitar player ?, and writer of serveral books on Michael Jackson, Adrian Grant who saw Michael working during the HIStory album recording sessions said Michael Jackson was a brilliant keyboard player and that was the instrument he used the most. Adrian Grant has also recently (as has Rodney Jerkins) said Michael Jackson was very technical in the recording studo and could really work it, and is greatly underestimated by the public in the studio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben Scarr (talk • contribs) 13:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)