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The Article Rescue Squadron Newsletter (September 2009)

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Issue 1 (September 2009)

Content

Testing revdel

So, how does this work, anyway?

Proposed deletion

I have nominated a page you recently created for deletion per notability here: [1]

Disruptive revert KOSOVO history

user hxseek reverted again after your warning: This is a reminder that there is a 1-revert limit on the Kosovo article. Any further reverts will result in blocks.

  1. (cur) (prev) 20:24, 21 October 2009 Hxseek (talk | contribs) (105,508 bytes)
  2. (cur) (prev) 13:39, 21 October 2009 Dbachmann (talk | contribs) (105,200 bytes) (restoring stable lead paragraph. do not expand this. go to history of Kosovo to discuss details.)-- LONTECH  Talk  15:13, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


blocked for what the block was for personal attack. Not for 1RR i know that blocks for 1RR are longer than 24 hours 1 month till indefinitely


if you dont block him i'll revert dab version-- LONTECH  Talk  15:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have a better idea -- go edit something else for a while. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:23, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

or i'll report him again for 1RR thanks-- LONTECH  Talk  15:25, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

why you add warnings when you dont take actions after your warnings.-- LONTECH  Talk  15:33, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to keep involving you in this issue, but please, if you ghave the time, actually view the relevant Talk Page in the Kosovo article under Dardanian kingdom section (at bottom of T.P.). You will see that it is user Lontech that is being aggressive, un-academic and contrary to what other editors have suggested. Furthermore, he has blatantly mis-quoted and mis-used references, and is making racists outbursts, all just to push a POV which is not supported by historical reality Hxseek (talk) 23:50, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TrueColour v PM situation deteriorating

Looks like things are falling apart, PM is telling TC to stick to languages he knows and labeling the reverts as vandalism. TC is either going to be turned into a vandal or more likely leave, if we don't get him and PM both to stop soon. See my comment here: User_talk:Pmanderson#Cool_it.21--Doug.(talk • contribs) 22:38, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are three issues:

  1. Splitting of towns/cities from municipality articles
  2. Naming of municipality articles
  3. Naming of district articles

Talk:Districts of Portugal addresses the latter and shows how things evolved. Since Doug now starts calling my edits disruptive too but also said he had no time to review my edits I suggest he reads this talk page. As logical as I approached number 3 from the very start I also approached number 1 and 2. I really miss any sound arguments by the opposing parties. For me it looks like Husond is little bit in the WP:OWN and Pmanderson only joined for a power struggle with a user that has fewer edits. Husond invoked him with referring to me as "...new editor/user ...". I think it doesn't matter whether an editor is new or not. Everybody should stick to WP rules. I always did. For Husond and Pmanderson you are free to form your opinion. TrueColour (talk) 23:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure whether you are interested, but one user requested an RfC to be made. So I did start: Talk:Districts of Portugal#RfC. For the above by Doug: I have better things to do than to turn into a vandal. The point about leaving may be true. Anyway I liked to have the chance to bring some improvements to the English WP and to learn something about the procedures. TrueColour (talk) 19:13, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Otterathome

I've tried a sympathetic note to point this editor in a more productive direction. I'll also try to squash any of the more blatantly personal attacks people seem to make about him, so that I'm not seen as taking sides here. You seem to have been admirably patient in dealing with some of the prickly personalities involved in this dispute but if there is anything I can help with in the future please don't hesitate to ask. Tim Vickers (talk) 19:05, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tubefilter

  • Wasn't there a dispute at the Dreamhost article with some of the same players involved? I don't recall the details or the outcome, but a checkuser report might be useful in determining if any of those editors are now involved in the Tubefilter dispute under new identities. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:33, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pizza

For some reason, my mother always liked the ears... (Assuming you are writing because of both of us using Star Trek handles)Naraht (talk) 05:44, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More the Duane connection than the Trek connection, actually -- I help run Diane's Young Wizards discussion forums. :-) I spotted you when you edited Bangor, Maine, and thought I'd say hi. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 05:48, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
LK offers you a Pizza
Sarek was my favorite character from ST:TOS. I always wondered why the Vulcans did not head the Federation, being the more advanced species. Clearly, Spock should have been captain. LK (talk) 12:23, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure which of Diane's books have Naraht other than The Romulan Way...Naraht (talk) 15:58, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He first showed up in My Enemy, My Ally, and I'm pretty sure he was in the three Rihannsu books after TRW. He also made a guest appearance in Peter Morwood's Trek book. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:25, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have not read the Rihannsu books. Are they any good? Not read much Diane Duane, although Doctor's Orders remains one of my all-time favorite Pocket Books. -- Scjessey (talk) 16:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty good, yes. It was kind of annoying that the third book got published as two short ones, but.... --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:59, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. I've just ordered Rihannsu: The Bloodwing Voyages from Amazon. I expect complete awesomeness otherwise I'll be flinging red matter at your city of residence. -- Scjessey (talk) 17:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You need to order The Empty Chair too, or you're going to be really frustrated. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:18, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Roger that. I'll have to wait until I can find a copy that isn't eleventy-billion dollars though. -- Scjessey (talk) 17:24, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Get the e-version. I downloaded it as PDF as soon as it came out.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:32, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have any e-book hardware, and I don't fancy printing it out. I think I might've located a copy at AbeBooks for a more realistic price. They have quirky payment arrangements though. -- Scjessey (talk) 17:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just to update the story -- I managed to order the book from AbeBooks, who themselves got it from a third party. Total cost was $8 inc delivery. Muchly morest betterer! -- Scjessey (talk) 21:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia Signpost: 26 October 2009

Query

Since I'm not a fan of AN/I, I've left you a query here. Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mail

You've got some. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 14:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Vandalism

I recently edited the List of Star Trek episodes with my IP, and moved Arena above Squire of Gothos. This was not vandalism, it was a mistake in my source :P. Ajraddatz (talk | contribs) 18:11, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your note on your userpage

"Note: if I've made a clearly bad block, such as something that appears to be vandalism at first glance but actually has a good explanation, please unblock without waiting for me to come back online. If it's something less clear, please at least get consensus on AN/I first. Thanks."

Uh, "unblock without warnwaiting"? Can I assume that that's some sort of mistake? Until It Sleeps Talk • Contribs 18:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, yours. :-) Read it again....--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:54, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh wait... you mean unblock the blockee... (rolls eyes) Oh boy... Heh, sorry if I disturbed you. Until It Sleeps Talk • Contribs 19:38, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Too late, I'm already disturbed. :-)--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did I forget to thank you? ..

SarekOfVulcan ,Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed nearly unanimously with 174 in support, 2 in opposition and 1 neutral votes. Special thanks goes to RegentsPark, Samir and John Carter for their kind nomination and support. I am truly honored by the trust and confidence that the community has placed in me. I thank you for your kind inputs and I will be sincerely looking at the reasons that people opposed me so I can improve in those areas ( including my english ;) ). If you ever need anything please feel free to ask me and I would be happy to help you :). Have a great day ! -- Tinu Cherian - 06:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Screwy AfD

Perhaps you'd like to take a gander at this AfD, its quite screwy and needs more uninvolved takes: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Howard Press (3rd nomination). Cheers.--Milowent (talk) 17:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Recall

Because of your persistent and abusive misinterpretations of essential policies and your abuse of adminship in interpretating these policies, I will officially request admin recall per User:SarekOfVulcan/Recall criteria. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:16, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, looking for a clerk etc. I'll ping you when I have a page set up.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:27, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've put a notice on Malleus's talk page informing him that his initial statement on the matter did not follow official procedure per Lar's guidelines. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Page created at User:SarekOfVulcan/Recall petition (October 2009). I've asked hmwith to clerk, since I don't remember interacting with her in the past, but I haven't heard back yet.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:46, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I have -- she's not available. Looking some more...--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:52, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just for clarity here, I've made no statement on the matter other than to suggest that I do not take AOR seriously. I've got no reason to doubt that SarekOf Vulcan does, but I've got no idea which statement of mine "did not follow official procedure", as I don't recall making any recall request, either officially or unofficially. I disagreed with Sarek's block of Ottava, and with how the first unblock request was handled, and I made that clear. Surely it's allowed to disagree with an administrator without either a block or an admin recall resulting. Can't we just disagree? --Malleus Fatuorum 01:34, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An admin recall would merely open up an informal RfC about the matter, and it would allow people to express their feelings about Sarek's conduct and ability. You have stated that you felt they would not accept an Recall. Your tone made it seem like you only disagreed with Recall because those who offer it would not "go through with it". Sarek made it clear that he would. If you don't feel like pursuing it, then I will take your comments as just bitter cynicism instead of actually meaning anything at all. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:38, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If all you are seeking to do is "allow people to express their feelings about Sarek's conduct and ability", what is wrong with this? Is all this other bullshit really necessary? -- Scjessey (talk) 11:39, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Because Sarek mentioned recall on Malleus's talk page. If Sarek would prefer that forum, then he can state so. However, it requires far less and would be out of his control. My intent is merely to inform Sarek that his interpretation of policies was inappropriate and his response was inappropriate. If he wants the free for all of Administrator review which is nothing more than partisan verbal assaults, then that is his choice. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:03, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Inappropriate in your opinion. It just seems like you are making a big fuss because you like making a big fuss. -- Scjessey (talk) 19:29, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Scjessey, if you looked at my talk page, you would see multiple people saying that the blocks were incredibly bad. Furthermore, it has already been proven that the direct wording of WP:AGF showed that his use of it to attack me was not only 100% wrong, but it was a violation. He also violated NPA and CIVIL in making such attacks. The fact that he blocked me in return for my critique of his understanding of policy was a violation of WP:ADMIN and WP:BLOCK. They are a -direct- violation and very explicit violations. There is no interpretation needed. I have already been told by multiple Arbs that I have a strong case, and I would prefer to go through this method first. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:36, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I suggested no such thing Ottava. What I said was that I don't take recall seriously, not that Sarek or anyone else doesn't. I suggest that you get off my case, or at least begin to accurately reflect what I've said instead of continually putting words in my mouth. --Malleus Fatuorum 19:36, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Instead of actually -doing- anything, you insulted multiple admin on my talk page, and I even asked you to stop. If you want people to not assume anything, please don't make sarcastic comments or anything like the above. A strictly utilitarian approach would be more beneficial. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:36, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're raving Ottava, and what's worse you're making a fool of yourself. Take some time to think about what you've been doing over the last few days and weeks. --Malleus Fatuorum 23:13, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My dear, the only one raving was you. I have been calm and rational, and I asked you to strike your attack on Chillum that was highly inappropriate. I am trying to settle things mechanically and dispassionately, and you put forth only bluster and attacks. Your actions are what encouraged Chillum to such problems. You don't want to abide by processes and systems. I live by them because they remove subjectivity and emotion. There is an objective standard, and there are objective ways to act. The problem above is that Sarek was neither following them nor does he recognize them. It was the same problem as your behavior on my talk page, and your persistence above only verifies that you don't wish to follow such mechanical, dispassionate processes to solve problems. I don't think emotional blusters solve anything. Call me a fool all you want. However, I have just finished -another- 9 part DYK and worked on quite a few GAN noms. As of right now, as I've been "making a fool of myself", I have basically made far more content contributions than anyone around. Objectively speaking, that is rather sure evidence that I have -not- made a fool of myself and that I am instead doing what is ideal on Wikipedia. If everyone else conformed to my example, this would be a far more appropriate place with an actual encyclopedia, instead of thousands of pages that desperately need to be created or worked on. Instead of attacking me, Malleus, perhaps you should pay attention or look first. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:39, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Believe whatever you like Ottava. My opinion is quite simply that you're making a fool of yourself, but that's your choice, nothing to do with me. --Malleus Fatuorum 23:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You can think whatever you want. However, my actions verify myself, which is something that few can say around here. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:31, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Notable photographers and artists

Hi, when an artist or photographer is notable enough to merit a Wikipedia article it's good practice in captioning to credit the artist. A few featured pictures, for example:

The policy statement about photographer credit refers to non-notable photographers; Jerry Avenaim is at least as notable as Arthur Rothstein--comparable to George Hurrell. It's significant encyclopedic information when we're fortunate enough to get a free license donation from someone of this stature. Durova349 06:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OCLC outside linkage to worldcat website

A discussion about whether of not the infobox books template should include outside linkage from the OCLC number is posted here. You are being notified because you posted in a discussion at infobox books about this template functionality. Please stop be and include your input into the issue at the link. Thanks. --69.226.106.109 (talk) 06:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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