Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates
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Looks delicious, and everything is the subject (by that I mean there is no b/g because the b/g is the subject as well!)
Alternative Versions: Image:Raspberries02.jpg, Image:Raspberries03.jpg
- Support Self Nom. --Fir0002 www 21:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support I almost didn't because some of the subject is cut off. :P -Ravedave 22:09, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Excellent. - JPM | 22:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Since we're making up things to whinge about, unlimited depth of field would be nice. ;) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 22:49, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Any of the three is acceptable, although I prefer the third (Raspberries03.jpg). --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Yet another great picture. My stomach is now rumbling!--Ali K 00:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support I definitely like No. 5 the best. --liquidGhoul 02:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- I like the un-saturated one the best. They do look ripe (except for one at the top). The others look like they have been sugar-glazed. --liquidGhoul 05:03, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Comment - looks rather pink to me. Other than that, very nice. I like the color levels of Image:Raspberries03.jpg, but the composition of that one isn't as good as Image:Raspberries05.jpg. zafiroblue05 | Talk 03:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)Support second image (first darkened version). I want to take a bite out of my screen. :) zafiroblue05 | Talk 06:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC) 06:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)- Support Delicious--K.C. Tang 03:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Oppose- I'd much prefer a darker version - these raspberries simply don't look ripe. It may be the lighting, but I wouldn't eat them. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 04:32, 3 March 2006 (UTC)- I was afraid people would think a dark version over saturated. But I've uploaded three edits for your consideration - I couldn't decide between them. --Fir0002 www 05:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- yes, i consider the new versions over-done.--K.C. Tang 07:48, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- I think the problem lies more with the lighting of the image and the raspberries shot than anything else. The darkening is an improvement, so I would support any of the darkened versions, but I still oppose original. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 18:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- I was afraid people would think a dark version over saturated. But I've uploaded three edits for your consideration - I couldn't decide between them. --Fir0002 www 05:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support second image (first darkened version) - delicious looking! --Janke | Talk 06:17, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support -- Excellent detail and sharpness. Prefer darker version. SteveHopson 06:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support -- I want to eat my screen Glaurung 07:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support yummy photo... --vineeth 08:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Both the lighter and darker photos are so tasty looking! DaGizzaChat © 08:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support original, the darker ones look over-ripe. --Obli (Talk)? 09:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support original, the others are much too saturated. chowells 12:10, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Why not? If a picture is deftly aesthetic enough to incite the most subtle idiosyncrasies of the human taste buds, then... uh... never mind. I'm just really hungry. I support the original, but anything would do. The yellowish rasberry at the top left could be GIMPed out, but then the picture wouldn't be as "natural." Gracenotes T § 17:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose, looks like decent quality stock-photography, but is it really adding that much to the Raspberry article? I'd prefer a picture of them still hanging on the bush. Oh, checking the version history I can see that Fir just yesterday replaced such a pic with his. Sorry, but this looks a bit like self-promotion getting in the way of encyclopedic quality. Sigh, apparently I'm alone with this assessment. Time for an FPC-wikibreak. --Dschwen 21:48, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- We already have Image:Raspberries (Rubus Idaeus).jpg, which is the one Fir moved. This picture illustrates a completely different aspect of the subject. Are you saying that such a clear, high-res picture of picked berries adds nothing worthwhile to the article? That's a support by the way. Raven4x4x 00:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, it does add to the article, and Fir's image is of far better quality, but I do agree with Dschwen: I think Fir should have added his pic to the gallery on the page, instead of moving the original one from the info-box to the gallery. Rasperries on the bush are more encyclopedic - the article is mainly about about the plant, not the foodstuff. Exactly where an image is on a page doesn't affect eligibility for FPC, so might someone (preferably Fir himself) do a switch? --Janke | Talk 21:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- OK I've done that, but you've gotta admit that the pic isn't that best on quality. However I see that it should really have the plant--Fir0002 www 21:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, it does add to the article, and Fir's image is of far better quality, but I do agree with Dschwen: I think Fir should have added his pic to the gallery on the page, instead of moving the original one from the info-box to the gallery. Rasperries on the bush are more encyclopedic - the article is mainly about about the plant, not the foodstuff. Exactly where an image is on a page doesn't affect eligibility for FPC, so might someone (preferably Fir himself) do a switch? --Janke | Talk 21:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- We already have Image:Raspberries (Rubus Idaeus).jpg, which is the one Fir moved. This picture illustrates a completely different aspect of the subject. Are you saying that such a clear, high-res picture of picked berries adds nothing worthwhile to the article? That's a support by the way. Raven4x4x 00:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Support Fir0002 has delivered us many high-quality pictures and this one is cool too!! --Davpronk 00:39, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Commentwhile supporting Fir's pic, i guess one is justified to complain that Fir has replaced the original head pic, which is a featured pic in Common, with his own straight away ...--K.C. Tang 03:12, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support #5 (dark version) only. Neutralitytalk 03:42, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support dark version 212.244.146.101 09:29, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Wow, we are getting some good images in recently. Well done Fir, my vote goes on the original pic, no darkened versions. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ 12:57, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support original. Uuhhh! Can I take some? - Darwinek 13:23, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support original. --Red Penguin 07:17, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support very nice article. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 08:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support - original only, I don't see any need for editing what is in the original a very good photo. Nice one again Fir. |→ Spaully°τ 14:13, 5 March 2006
- Support Darker Versions—Preferably The Second The original image does not seem ripe. Alvinrune TALK 03:10, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Image:Raspberries05 edit02.jpg or the original. Staxringold 19:56, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. All of the photographs are fantastic quality; any of the darkened versions are fine. Yum! — Webdinger TALK | SZ 05:34, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support TomStar81 19:10, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Nothing particulary special Electricmoose- Electrifying talk 20:40, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- Promoted IImage:Raspberries05.jpg Deciding which one to choose was hard. There were some comments exclusively in favor of the first and some exclusively for the darkened ones (the first dark one had a good deal of support), the original seems to be the common denominator and has the most support. BrokenSegue 14:50, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Image taken by neighbour, who agreed at the time that all rights be released to me or any purpose or licence I see fit. Subject is my pet, and the colouration has not been modified. Image featured in Phasmatodea, and is high-resolution (1232x824px).
- Nominate and support. - Ian13/talk 20:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Oppose, Ian13/talk 22:13, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Sorry this isn't good enough for FP. The depth of focus is too narrow and less than half of the subject is visible. ~ Veledan • Talk 20:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Note:Only the ends of the hind legs and the back of the wings/body are missing. Ian13/talk 21:05, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Isn't the missing part longer than the visible part? Apologies if not. Even so, I'm afraid animal pics fail to get promoted for far lesser portions missing. And there are several other pics on that page which give a better impression of these insects as a whole IMO. ~ Veledan • Talk 21:20, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- No, more is visible than not, no problem. Thanks! Ian13/talk 21:22, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Isn't the missing part longer than the visible part? Apologies if not. Even so, I'm afraid animal pics fail to get promoted for far lesser portions missing. And there are several other pics on that page which give a better impression of these insects as a whole IMO. ~ Veledan • Talk 21:20, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Camera newbie here ... how exactly would you get a wider field of focus? Different lens? What would be different about that lens? --Cyde Weys 04:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Not much chance of this pic being Featured, I'm afraid, too much of the pic is out of focus - Adrian Pingstone 21:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose same as above--K.C. Tang 00:08, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Great value artistically, and no doubt a great portrait of your pet (should there be an article on pet portraiture?). This kind of picture is usually more successful on Commons, where accurate and complete depiction is less of an objective, and artistic value enters into consideration. Oppose. - Samsara contrib talk 12:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose per Veledan, and disagree with the above comment: artistic value ought to be considered here, too. –Joke 16:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Incomplete animal (How are we to know what the tail end looks like?) and too shallow DOF. Interesting critter though! --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support an awesome photo, and you even have the species name. Not really missing much with the focus as is, and if it were any wider angle you'd lose the detail of its head. —Pengo 02:56, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Lack of sharpness and brightness --Fir0002 www 06:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose Four of the five visible legs are blurred, though the resolution is of respectable size. Alvinrune TALK 03:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Good pic, is interesting image- not an everyday sight Electricmoose- Electrifying talk 20:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Not promoted Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 03:52, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
A very nice shot of an NYPD police cruiser. This photo is used in several articles, among them police cruiser and light bar.
- Nominate and support - TomStar81 02:35, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose I like the effect of the light, but the background is too distracting. --liquidGhoul 08:57, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support - I like the background, actually; becuase trying to capture the car in a non-busy street in New York City is one very hard thing to do. Hillhead15 09:42, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Oppose Not used by any article.--vineeth 12:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)- Comment The uncropped version is in many articles, and if the cropped version were promoted it would replace the old image in all the articles. --liquidGhoul 12:36, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- It's used in several articles.... — 0918BRIAN • 2006-03-1 15:36
- Sorry, i saw only the cropped image. Still Oppose, ack Janke. --vineeth 09:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Opposenot really featured picture calibre.--K.C. Tang 12:39, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Agree with above. Alr 15:14, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose, because I agree that it's not quite striking enough. I think the cropped one is better, I wouldn't mind if somebody replaced the old image with that one. Mstroeck 15:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Mundane, not FP material. --Janke | Talk 17:08, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Why exactly do you consider it mundane? TomStar81 00:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Because there's nothing special about this image. It's a police car on the street, no more. It is not even in motion. The flash of the light is the only interesting spot in the image. --Janke | Talk 07:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Ouch. That hurts. A beautiful NYPD cruiser destine never to be featured simply because its not involved in a high speed chase. I guess it was to be expected though: one must have a love of form to see past such things. TomStar81 09:02, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Don't take it personally! It's not about the car, it's the general look of the image (not "stunning" enough), an opinion that appears to be shared by most voters. With a better background (perhaps blurred because the camera is following a moving car) and a little more dramatic lighting, I'm sure a NYPD cruiser could befeatured! (BTW, we're all spoiled by TV, aren't we? ;-) --Janke | Talk 14:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Is this more what you had in mind, Janke? And I'm neutral, before anybody asks. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ 13:53, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Access denied to site. --Janke | Talk 21:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, second try. Check this. Remember to click the Zoom In button under the image. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ 10:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- No thanks - totally artificial looking. --Janke | Talk 11:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- Agree with Janke here. Did you really think that would be more appropriate? Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 12:53, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, blimey. That was a joke. I wasn't seriously suggesting that that become a featured pic, I was just picking up on Janke's comments on how we are all led to believe that a picture of a NYPD car should be in an exciting car chase with lights flashing and sparks flying. This place is so dull sometimes. Lighten up! —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ 11:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Deadpan humor doesn't work in text format. A simple ;-) would have helped... --Janke | Talk 17:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, blimey. That was a joke. I wasn't seriously suggesting that that become a featured pic, I was just picking up on Janke's comments on how we are all led to believe that a picture of a NYPD car should be in an exciting car chase with lights flashing and sparks flying. This place is so dull sometimes. Lighten up! —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ 11:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, second try. Check this. Remember to click the Zoom In button under the image. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ 10:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- Access denied to site. --Janke | Talk 21:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Yes we are. TV has a way of raising the bar, and my guess is that effect is going to be felt here. Its really to bad; this kind of image could easily be used in any number of police car books. I should know. I own several ;) TomStar81 09:08, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Is this more what you had in mind, Janke? And I'm neutral, before anybody asks. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ 13:53, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Don't take it personally! It's not about the car, it's the general look of the image (not "stunning" enough), an opinion that appears to be shared by most voters. With a better background (perhaps blurred because the camera is following a moving car) and a little more dramatic lighting, I'm sure a NYPD cruiser could befeatured! (BTW, we're all spoiled by TV, aren't we? ;-) --Janke | Talk 14:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Opppose. I have to admit, I don't find that car very attractive, though. The bonnet/hood is unnecessarily oversized and disproportionate (although this is merely aesthetics, anyhow) and it isn't very stylish. It has the look of a late 1980s/early 1990s car. I'm not saying Australian police cars are the epitome of style but I do think they're a little more attractive ([1] or [2]) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 15:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't see any reason to prefer this image of an NYPD police cruiser over any other. –Joke 16:22, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. There's nothing special about this image. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:12, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose As above --Fir0002 www 05:53, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. Background is simply too distracting. Cropped version is significantly better, but not featured picture quality, due to the overly busy background. --Red Penguin 07:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- Third image is much, much closer to featured picture quality, but I'm still concerned about the background, which is still mildly distracting. --Red Penguin 07:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Third Image I streched the color of the second image. Now it seems as though the image was taken in the evening. The prior images look as if it were taken on a cloudy day. Alvinrune TALK 03:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Nothing against the photographer, but NYPD cruisers have never been more lame. There are plenty of other, nicer types of cruisers (for instance, most states have highway patrol pursuit cruisers made from Camaros and Mustangs) that would make for a better featured pic. In my book, a photo of an ugly woman is ugly no matter how well it's done. Kafziel 17:10, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- An ugly woman is still a woman, and if you take note of the title I have simply labeled the entry "police cruiser", not "NYPD cruiser", not "special patrol vehical", just "police cruiser". While Camaros and Mustangs would arguably make better FPs, they represent a small faction of the police force; most police vehicals are caprices and tuareses. This picture is ment to represent these standard cars. TomStar81 23:15, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- I would agree that it is a good standard photo of a standard car. I'm not listing it for deletion or anything, I'm just saying the subject matter is very run of the mill. It's not something I'd say, "Wow, that's awesome," which is pretty much what I expect from a featured photo. Why feature something completely standard? Kafziel 04:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose - not striking I'm afraid, at least not for me. |→ Spaully°τ 10:25, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
- Support this one. I think it's a beautiful photograph. Judge the photo, people, not they style of the car. Anyway, think those 'stralian cars are lame anyways. ;-) —Encephalon 11:24, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Not promoted Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 03:52, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, great minds think alike, and so here is another great gastropod image. It appears in Pulmonata. Photographer is one Jürgen Schoner, uploaded to Commons as GNU-FDL by User ML.
- Nominate and support. - Samsara contrib talk 17:21, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral. The detail is nice, but I don't like the artificial background. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-28 17:54
- Weak Oppose. Yes, the background.--K.C. Tang 01:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. I like the background zafiroblue05 | Talk 02:23, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support I like the background too, a pure white background is the most acceptable artificial background in my book. I will ask the contributor if he/she has a larger image, as that would be really good. --liquidGhoul 09:00, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- You've got no problem with the background, but you ask for a larger image when it's already 1024x604? I really don't get why people always want bigger and bigger images. - Mgm|(talk) 10:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- What is wrong with asking for a larger image? There is no harm in it, and it could improve the image's quality. I didn't oppose the image, so what is your problem? --liquidGhoul 22:08, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- I simply don't see why we should ask for something with a higher resolution when it's already top-notch resolution. Higher resolution doesn't equal higher quality. You may not have personally opposed it, but it fosters the idea that massive resolutions are better when most people can't even fit such an image on one computer screen. Besides, if they had one, wouldn't you think they would've posted the larger one instead? - Mgm|(talk) 09:29, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- LiquidGhoul has now explained he was hoping for a better detailed shell. So contrary to what I believed, he had a perfectly valid reason for asking. - Mgm|(talk) 10:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Within reasonable limits (file size, the lens' ability to resolve detail and number of sensor pixels), there is never a good reason to upload a lower quality/resolution image. I sometimes downsample my images by about 50% in order to aid in the perception of sharpness, as long as there is no significant loss of detail in doing so, but as a rule, I try to keep them as high resolution as is possible. Assuming the image is captured with anything higher than a 3 megapixel camera with decent quality optics, there is no excuse for an image less than 1000 pixels on the longest dimension. To reduce it further than that is to waste the potential of the image. I think he had a valid reason for asking as it originally stood since it logically follows that higher resolution image will resolve more detail! Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 16:38, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support - No problems here, in my case. Hillhead15 09:43, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose, prefer animals photographed in their habitat, shadow on the right distracts and composition isn't feature worthy. - Mgm|(talk) 10:02, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Weak oppose due to the artificial looking background. --Janke | Talk 17:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support I don't mind the background. It is artificial, but also plain enough for me. –Joke 16:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. I'd like a larger version as well (close-ups of the shell would be cool!), but this is certainly "large enough". Background is great. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:14, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support A bit low res tho --Fir0002 www 05:53, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Another version provided, where the colours are a bit better defined I think. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ 14:15, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Neutralitytalk 05:09, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Support the 2nd image since the background on the first one is too distracting. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 06:49, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support the original. To me, the pure white background is distracting and fake looking.--Lewk_of_Serthic contrib talk 05:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe because it is fake. I cut the snail out because some people complained they did not like the grey and the lines in the background. It's white because I cut it out of the background and put it on a pure white layer. I also enhanced the colours slightly, as you would notice if you opened the image in full view. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ 14:18, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- I certainly know that it is fake, my problem with it is that it looks fake, or overtly unnatural. I normally would support such a change, however the snail does not cast much shadow itself, so I feel as thought the gray in the background it nessesary in order to maintain a sence of reality. I certainly noticed the color change and think that it is much better, though the loss of the background is too distracting for me.--Lewk_of_Serthic contrib talk 23:19, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe because it is fake. I cut the snail out because some people complained they did not like the grey and the lines in the background. It's white because I cut it out of the background and put it on a pure white layer. I also enhanced the colours slightly, as you would notice if you opened the image in full view. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ 14:18, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support I uploaded a transparent version of the image (Image:Grapevine_Snail.gif) Alvinrune TALK 22:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Weak support (original). Size is fine, background is more or less fine and its a good illustration. On the Helix (genus) page we have Image:Common snail.jpg which is featured on Commons and is quite similar with a natural background. Its mainly the rather flat lighting that weakens my support here. -- Solipsist 09:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Nice image, prefer 2nd picture. Electricmoose- Electrifying talk 20:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose, mainly because it's not striking enough, also because of the artificial background.--ragesoss 18:01, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Promoted Image:Grapevinesnail 01.jpg Votes are very evenly split between the original and the blanked background version. If there is no partictular perference between the original and an edit I promote the original. Raven4x4x 07:48, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
What I like about this picture is how the moistness of the slug is captured by the reflection of the sky on its surface, which also defines its texture. Secondly, the fact that the Pneumostome (breathing hole) is visible is also a plus as it piques the interest of the viewer to find out about what this curious structure is for.
- Shameless self-nomination and support. - Obli (Talk)? 17:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Strong support! Excellent image and high detail. It could probably use some sharpening, but that wouldn't be hard with such a large image. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-28 17:22
- Comment I agree the slug is resplendent & glorious (yuk!). But can you do anything about the blurred concrete background? ~ Veledan • Talk 19:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- This is about as much blur as I could remove, anyone else is free to replace it with their own try. I personally sort of like the blur, though Obli (Talk)? 20:09, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support
the originallatest version--K.C. Tang 01:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- ... so your vote will change with every new edit? ;-) Please specify... --Janke | Talk 07:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support either version, prefer second. - Samsara contrib talk 04:14, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: I would support a cropped version, top and bottom of somewhat distracting background removed. Anyone care to do it, or shall I? --Janke | Talk 17:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- I would have, but I don't know which parts you consider distracting. - JPM | 21:10, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support the less blurred version, or a cropped version of it. - JPM | 21:10, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm I've added a simple top-and-bottom crop. I find the blurring less distracting but I'm not sure it's improved the composition. Oh and please add it to an article. Neither slug nor pneumostome has too many pics: it could go in either or both ~ Veledan • Talk 22:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- What the hell,
Support crop~ Veledan • Talk 22:06, 1 March 2006 (UTC)- If it's going to be a crop, I'd be more comfortable with tilting it, the aspect ration is retained better that way, avoiding a panorama look (it's a slug, not a sunset, dammit :)). Obli (Talk)? 22:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose I feel very apologetic for changing my vote like this, but the more I think about it the less I like the manmade background. It's a superb picture of a slug but please get one of it slithering up a wet cabbage! ~ Veledan • Talk 01:12, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support cropped version, oppose tilted - the crop is more encyclopedic, we don't really need all that background. The slug is the focus, and in focus, too. The tilted version loses the slime!! --Janke | Talk 22:53, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Uninteresting except at huge size. Ugly background. zafiroblue05 | Talk 05:54, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose only the tilted version as per Janke. - Samsara contrib talk 12:04, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose ugly background. –Joke 16:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- What's wrong with the background? It's a rock. Slugs like rocks. They don't get around too well elsewhere. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-03-2 21:43
- I don't see what you expect from the background either. You're not going to find a slug on glass table, unless someone puts it there. And I doubt anyone really wants to touch that thing. - JPM | 22:23, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- That is not a rock, it is a road. It is gravel in bitumen, which when I last looked, is not a natural habitat for many animals. Also, these slugs are omnivorous, so you would expect their natural habitat to be in foliage of some plant or on/in a dead animal (although most of you seem repulsed just by the slug so I can't imagine if it was surrounded in dead flesh). --liquidGhoul 12:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- I'm going to wait for the photographer's word before we decide if this is a natural rock or not. Conglomerate rock looks a lot like it's artificial, but it's not. Also, notice the background in this picture includes moss - not something you'd really expect to see growing on a road. -- 21:00, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- It is asphalt, although as the mud, roughness of it and the moss suggests, it is very old and part of a forest running track. One could argue that it is a natural habitat because it is very moist, slugs like that... --Obli (Talk)? 21:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Funny you should mention that, I was actually going to suggest that it was possibly artificial, like a pathway or something. But the moss on it is pretty damn good evidence that it's not a road. And frankly, what with the humanization of this world, a running trail in the woods almost is a natural habitat these days. -- 21:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- It is asphalt, although as the mud, roughness of it and the moss suggests, it is very old and part of a forest running track. One could argue that it is a natural habitat because it is very moist, slugs like that... --Obli (Talk)? 21:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- I'm going to wait for the photographer's word before we decide if this is a natural rock or not. Conglomerate rock looks a lot like it's artificial, but it's not. Also, notice the background in this picture includes moss - not something you'd really expect to see growing on a road. -- 21:00, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- That is not a rock, it is a road. It is gravel in bitumen, which when I last looked, is not a natural habitat for many animals. Also, these slugs are omnivorous, so you would expect their natural habitat to be in foliage of some plant or on/in a dead animal (although most of you seem repulsed just by the slug so I can't imagine if it was surrounded in dead flesh). --liquidGhoul 12:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't notice this discussion until now. The background looked like old asphalt to me, like an old, worn road or something. Slugs are common enough subjects, so I think if you're going to have a featured picture of a slug, it ought to be really compelling. This one is good, but I just don't like it enough for FP. –Joke 17:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Great shot, DOF is spot on. The background is not problematic (it's natural). As for crops or tilting... I'm still undecided. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Comment. What's wrong with the background? It doesn't look good, it distracts from the slug itself (particularly at the size one views it in an article, when the shinyness of the slug isn't as apparent), and it's, well, ugly. It's natural, sure. But one could find, say, an even-colored rock. Or something. You're taking a picture from straight above of a very flat animal, removing any sense of depth (except at unwieldy sizes) - it looks like just a streak of black paint on a rock that looks like it's been vomited on. zafiroblue05 | Talk 03:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- First of all, whether one could find an even-colored rock is irrelevant, the slug was on THIS rock. Second of all, the image is NOT taken straight from above as even a cursory examination of the image would indicate. Lastly, if you looked at the full size image, there's no WAY it could be mistaken for "a streak of black paint". --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, I absolutely agree with you! It's not taken from exactly above, but there's a reason someone did a tilted crop - it has so little depth. The slug was on THAT rock, but that's just something one has to deal with. The circumstances of the photo shouldn't affect our judgement on the final product, I have learned from looking at FPCs for a little while. And at full size, the slug doesn't look nearly as bland as a streak of paint - but the slug isn't shown in the article at full size! At any reasonable size, it's a boring image. In my opinion. zafiroblue05 | Talk 18:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- IIRC, images are intended to be evaluated at full size, not thumbnail sized. Anyone know for certain? Also, the stated reason that the tilted crop was created was an attempt to preserve as much of the original aspect ratio as possible during a crop. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:14, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, I absolutely agree with you! It's not taken from exactly above, but there's a reason someone did a tilted crop - it has so little depth. The slug was on THAT rock, but that's just something one has to deal with. The circumstances of the photo shouldn't affect our judgement on the final product, I have learned from looking at FPCs for a little while. And at full size, the slug doesn't look nearly as bland as a streak of paint - but the slug isn't shown in the article at full size! At any reasonable size, it's a boring image. In my opinion. zafiroblue05 | Talk 18:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- First of all, whether one could find an even-colored rock is irrelevant, the slug was on THIS rock. Second of all, the image is NOT taken straight from above as even a cursory examination of the image would indicate. Lastly, if you looked at the full size image, there's no WAY it could be mistaken for "a streak of black paint". --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Slugtastic - one of the best pictures of slugs I've ever seen. PZ Myers would be proud. And I'm ashamed there's so much anti-slug bias on display here :-O At least give him credit for getting close enough to take this picture. Eeek. --Cyde Weys 04:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Luckily, they don't have fangs :) --Obli (Talk)? 09:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- I don't get it, what is wrong with slugs? They can't hurt, and I would rather pick up a slug than an Fierce Snake any day. A little bit of slime is good for anyone :) --liquidGhoul 12:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- People seem to "freak out" when confronted with animals that don't have bones (insects, slugs/worms, etc.) for some reason. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- I don't get it, what is wrong with slugs? They can't hurt, and I would rather pick up a slug than an Fierce Snake any day. A little bit of slime is good for anyone :) --liquidGhoul 12:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- I'd just like to clarify that slugtastic means support, in case anyone wasn't aware of that particular slugnacular. --Cyde Weys 01:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Luckily, they don't have fangs :) --Obli (Talk)? 09:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Oppose Alvinrune TALK 23:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)- Comment You must supply a reason for opposition. --liquidGhoul 01:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Comment Fine! ↓ Alvinrune TALK
- Oppose Bad background—almost fake-like. Alvinrune TALK 22:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose ugly tarmac background. chowells 15:55, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Not promoted Raven4x4x 07:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Captures the Orb Weaver when it is active - at night. Alternative versions: Image:Orb weaver black bckgrnd02.jpg, Image:Orb weaver white bckgrnd.jpg, Image:Orb weaver white bckgrnd02.jpg
- Support Self Nom. --Fir0002 www 06:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Nice image. --vineeth 07:27, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Meets all requirements. DaGizzaChat © 08:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support cropped version. I cropped away the left portion of the web, which is unsharp, and not typically spiral shaped. --Janke | Talk 09:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC) PS: Warning: may cause acute outbreak of arachnophobia. ;-)
- Neutral I hate using this phrase, so I won't oppose it, but I don't find it stunning. --liquidGhoul 10:02, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support cropped version. White backgrounds dull the color of the spider down, so I prefer the dark background. - Mgm|(talk) 10:34, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support cropped version, the uncropped looks more like a wallpaper while the cropped focuses more on the object of the picture, which is more suitable for an encyclopedia. Obli (Talk)? 11:00, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support cropped version. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-28 17:19
- Comment I've uploaded another crop version from the original photo. Note this is a 1:1 crop so be kind on the image quality :-) --Fir0002 www 07:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Any version. I actually liked the first uploaded image as it shows a good, visual scale between the web and the spider. Hillhead15 09:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Comment That is not the full size of the web by any means. --liquidGhoul 11:13, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support -- Chris 73 | Talk 18:06, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Second cropped version. Clear rather chilling image.--Dakota ~ ° 20:09, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support the second crop. Mstroeck 23:48, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Any version (the three on the side, not the "alternate" ones, which I oppose). The first is more "artsy", the other two... arguably more encyclopedic. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support, especially if it's the third image. Nice upload! -- gtdp (T)/(C) 12:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Third Image Nice image! Alvinrune TALK 23:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support first and third. —Encephalon 07:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Nice to see a subject being revisited and improved upon. -- Solipsist 10:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Promoted Image:Orb weaver black bckgrnd03 crop.jpg Raven4x4x 08:01, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Very vivid and colourful image, extremely hi-res and of good quality, it's aesthetically pleasing and does a good job on demonstrating how varied the species has become through breeding.
- Nominate and support. - Obli (Talk)? 01:21, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Pretty cool. I like the white background, very informative.--Lewk_of_Serthic contrib talk 02:18, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support very nice. chowells 02:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support extremely nice photo. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 02:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Sort of creepy-looking, but I like it a lot. zafiroblue05 | Talk 05:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - uploaded an edit - I'm supporting that version, the original has a mucky yellowish background. New version looks cleaner to me. drumguy8800 - speak? 05:17, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Support Love it! DaGizzaChat © 08:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support the second version. Nice sharp image.--Dakota ~ ° 09:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support 2nd version. Also, you might like to add it to the Artificial selection article. --liquidGhoul 10:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support original - the roots lost detail in the edit. --Janke | Talk 10:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support original. I fail to see why an edit was needed. - Mgm|(talk) 10:38, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. The image page says: "ARS researchers have selectively bred carrots with pigments that reflect almost all colors of the rainbow". So it does not seem to be different species, like the nomination says. --Bernard Helmstetter 11:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Please re-read the nomination: how varied the species has become - not different species... --Janke | Talk 13:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- You are right. Still, I think this image is deceiving. It seems it is really the same exact species fed with different pigments. It is a bit of a silly experiment. This image is not a good ilustration of carrot and it should not even appear in artificial selection. --Bernard Helmstetter 13:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Again, I think you're reading something that is not there: The researchers have bred carrots containing pigments, not fed them the pigments. You don't need to feed red pigment to a beetroot... --Janke | Talk 14:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps; but then again, the image explanations are unclear. How did the carrots come to contain different pigments? We should have better explanations of the protocol on the image page. I am no expert in the field at all, just trying to understand. --Bernard Helmstetter 14:37, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- I think you need to take that issue up on the discussion page of the article, not in voting for the image itself. Your arguments for opposing are invalid. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 16:30, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- I don't understand this. Significance of the inclusion in articles is a criterion for voting. --Bernard Helmstetter 17:37, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- I think I did misunderstand the description and that it is probably a genuine case of artificial selection. I am still opposing because I believe a photo about a scientific experiment should be described better. --Bernard Helmstetter 17:37, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- I'd like to explain this. Pigments, while usually something we think of as being in paints, also are naturally occuring in plants. For example most land plants have Anthocyanin, a pigment that absorbs green light (reflecting red and blue light) and give many flowers, fruits and autumn leaves their colour. Tomatoes naturally have the red pigment Lycopene, and carrots are best known for their carotenoids, which are also naturally occuring without the introduction of any artifical pigment. I don't know if it's the levels of different carotenoids, or changes in pH, or a range of completely different pigments that are making these carrots change colour, but it's something that is naturally occuring within the carrot, in different varieties of the one species. You can read more about biological pigements at the pigment article. And AFAIK, it's not an experiment, it's something farmers have been doing since long before we understood the chemical structure of pigments. Thank you. — Pengo 03:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support I havent seen a really eyecatching picture in a while, but this is it!--Ali K 12:02, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support both images. --Terence Ong 13:04, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support original as the edit has issues (compare the grey areas between the leaves at the bottom of the photo). This is a fine detailed pic and makes a good contribution to carrot and Artificial selection as well as being eye catching ~ Veledan • Talk 15:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Interesting. Alr 15:53, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support either. --Neutralitytalk 01:48, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Wow, great image! --lightdarkness (talk) 03:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support –Joke 16:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Either version... minor preference for second one. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:23, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose These carrots don't excite me. Very little detail on individual carrots. —Pengo 03:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Excellent, artistic photograph. Almost too good for an encyclopedia, but very worthy of being a Wiki Featured Photo. SteveHopson 06:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Support Well done, it looks great. I want to be a rabbit. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ 14:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Support Nice idea and image! Alvinrune TALK 23:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Thought I was going to oppose for looking overly staged (as some ARS pictures are), but actually its rather impressive. Perhaps illustrates Artificial selection better than carrot. -- Solipsist 10:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. --Tone 16:14, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Cool idea. — Webdinger BLAH | SZ 01:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Either image, interesting shot. -- Calibas 07:12, 12 March 2006
- Support idd nice shot poppe 17:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support It's a gorgeous and informative photograph; if there are objections about the text accompanying it, that is a different matter from the photo per se. Masonbarge 14:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
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Promoted Image:Carrots of many colors.jpg Raven4x4x 08:07, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Reasons... High resolution,one of the great landmarks of india The Delhi Fort is located in Delhi, India. It is also known as Lal Qil'ah and the Red Fort (not to be confused with the Agra Fort, which is referred to by these terms as well).For more visit the main article... Red Fort
- Nominate and support. - Svnitbharath 17:57, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- I've uploaded a 2nd version that is sharpened and auto-contrasted. I down-sized it a bit to help with sharpening. Support either. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-27 18:09
- Comment. I accept your suggestion... I have replaced the file with your slightly modified one Svnitbharath
- Oppose - I'm sorry, but the sky is very annoying, it's not very straight and the brick wall is distracting. KILO-LIMA 20:56, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral. Something about the angle is bothering me... I feel as if I'm missing something behind the grass. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:11, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Agree with Kilo-Lima. Alr 01:22, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose Would love this a be a FP, but the angle is distracting. DaGizzaChat © 08:38, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Composition could be much better. --Janke | Talk 10:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- support - This is one of the best pictures of the red fort. Its high time we support an indian heritage pic for FP. By the way, the brick wall is part of the red fort. I completely support this pic. Harshavs 17:05, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Given your comments, is there a reason that you haven't voted here? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Bevo 20:48, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose ack Janke Calderwood 14:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose "Composition could be much better" —Janke. Could use slight rotating. Alvinrune TALK 23:46, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Not promoted Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 02:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I found this image when I went to read about goats. I like the image very much. Whenever I look at it, I desire to be one of those goats, running free in the mountains, free from stress and admins. I also find the background stunning, with the mist in the mountains. It seems that user Fir0002 created the photo -- and that dude created 37 featured photos! I think that a part on the left side of the photo could be removed, because there's something out there that can't be identified. Other than that, cool photo!
- Nominate and support. - Candide, or Optimism 14:54, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support The mist and dark clouds give the photo a mystical, magical quality. While it doesn't appear that the photo strongly supports either article to which it is attached (do we really have 18 photos illustrating the Goat article?), its a picture I can support. SteveHopson 15:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral. While the image is great, the article subjects (the goats) aren't prominent enough. Which mountains are these? If you added the image to the mountains' article, then I would probably support. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-26 15:49
- Neutral. I like the scene and composition but the highlights are extremely overexposed. I've tried to burn them back a little to make the most of the detail that was left. I don't feel happy enough about it to support it completely, but I'll put it out there for you guys and if you prefer it, you have an alternative to the original, at least. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 16:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Thanx for your edit, but the goats are in fact pure white and therefore the original picture I feel is much more true to life. --Fir0002 www 00:10, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- I didn't change the colour of the goats at all. I just recovered some texture in the highlights. Even something that is white will look golden when the source of light (in this case, I assume dawn, but possibly sunset) is golden. You have used that regularly in your photos and complained when people have REMOVED that effect, so you can't have it both ways. In any case, as I said, I never added a colour that wasn't there. I just decreased the luminosity of the existing colour so you can see detail in the highlghts. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 12:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- I guess the irony was lost on ya :-)
- But seriously, the goats are white, and appeared white in the lighting conditions the photo was taken in. They do not have much detail, even with the human eye they just appear white. Burning them as you did makes them look dirty - much too yellow IMO. Anyway an edit is always good as it allows the photographer to learn from what others want out of a photo. --Fir0002 www 05:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- You're right, whatever irony was there was lost of me. :) Please explayne! You can see that areas of the goats that were not directly facing the sun (roughly perpendicular) had a golden/orange tint. I see your point, but do you not see the problem in having no discernable detail due to overexposure? I don't accept that the goats had little detail/texture, if they were correctly exposed, you would see it. Perhaps my edit did burn the highlights too much, but ideally they should not be overexposed in the first place. Ah well. :) For what its worth, its a difficult scene to photograph well, but the moral of the story is underexpose if necessary to preserve highlight detail. Do you shoot raw? Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 10:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Continued on Diliff's talk page --Fir0002 www 11:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I'd like the pic description to tell us where these mountains are - Adrian Pingstone 16:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- I have left a message on the author's talkpage, asking for the same thing. --Candide, or Optimism 16:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- It is taken in the only mountain range of Victoria - the Great Dividing Range. More specifically near Swifts Creek, Victoria Australia. --Fir0002 www 00:10, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- I have left a message on the author's talkpage, asking for the same thing. --Candide, or Optimism 16:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Pretty pic but not a significant contribution to any article. I'm afraid my oppose will still hold even if the mountain is identified (because it's not really the subject of the photo). ~ Veledan • Talk 18:11, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Weak support. Incredibly dramatic photo, but would support more strongly if it fit better in an article. zafiroblue05 | Talk 20:33, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Yes, yes, yes! KILO-LIMA 21:31, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Only Support if pic went on Mountain goat DaGizzaChat © 07:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- That's nonsense. These are domestic goats (Capra aegagrus hircus), not mountain goats (Oreamnos americanus). - Samsara contrib talk 17:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. A nice picture, but it does not illustrate Goat particularly well - IMO, none of the pics on that page are FP worthy. (Also, these are domestic, not mountain goats.) --Janke | Talk 07:43, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Agree with Janke 100%. This a photo in need of a better home. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:50, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support a good picture. I'm sure it can fit into other articles too, perhaps fog?--Lewk_of_Serthic contrib talk 02:31, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Oppose I can't see it fitting into any article well. --liquidGhoul 10:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: What is that square shaped object infront of the goat on the very far left? Maybe wood or something?--Ali K 12:11, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmm, I've never noticed that before! It looks more like an old crate or something --Fir0002 www 07:10, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose, pretty but not particularily encyclopedic. --Dschwen 21:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support great pic, and those goats have a scary hypnotic look in their eyes. Robert Mercer 21:17, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Support Second Image Excellent angle! Nice background! In general, outstanding! Alvinrune TALK 23:53, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Love the mountains and mist, don't love the overexposed goats or tangential connections to the articles the pic illustrates. Markyour words 17:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Not promoted Raven4x4x 03:38, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Simply oozes with primeval majesty. Adds significantly to the article as is the only pic taken in the wild.
Alternative versions: Image:Bearded dragon02.jpg, Image:Bearded dragon05.jpg
- Support Self Nom. --Fir0002 www 22:54, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm surprised this picture was put up as an FPC (and the other versions) because the back of the animal is very blurred. Yes, I know getting the Depth of Field is hard but we're judging the final photo and can take no account of the difficulties in taking it. Just as a piece of self-promotion have a look at "Adult Bearded Dragon" at the bottom of Bearded Dragon where I've got the whole animal in reasonable focus (but don't put it up for FPC, it's not good enough focus for that) - Adrian Pingstone 23:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support I really don't mind it the depth of field issue Adrian sees. The focus was obviously intended to be on the head in the first place. Circeus 23:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral. I like the composition and detail on the head, but I would've liked more of the lizard to be in focus. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-26 00:33
- Support Excellent photo, I like how the focus was done. -Jake0geek 07:25, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose, nice photo but depth of field is just too small. I like to see all the scales, or at least some down its back. There's no reason to have such a shallow depth of field when it (appears to be) in full sunlight, and it's a lizard (they don't move that much). Pengo 07:53, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment That is an Eastern Bearded Dragon, and you have even identified it as that with the binomial name. The article you placed it in, is for the Central Bearded Dragon (the article should be renamed). I have been meaning to create the Eastern Bearded Dragon article, as I have a pretty good photo from the wild as well. Just out of interest, I think that guy is a juvenile (maybe it should be included in the caption). --liquidGhoul 08:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Image:Bearded_dragon05.jpg. Shows much more of the lizard in focus. --liquidGhoul 08:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Sorry but a picture shouldn't become featured just because the "head" looks goods while the rest is blurry. DaGizzaChat © 08:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Um that doesn't really make sense. It's head is the subject, why is that a problem? And I'm not saying it's gotta become an FP just because it has a head in focus body out of focus composition - I'm not even promoting that aspect. All I'm saying is that the DOF draws the attention to the most interesting part of the animal (it's head and claws) without the need of close cropping. I think it's pretty effect. But that just my opinion. --Fir0002 www 09:02, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Fir, I very much admire your photography skills but in this case the very first thing I noticed was the blurry back-end, and from then on my pleasure in looking at the rest of the photo was spoiled. So that's why I opposed - Adrian Pingstone 10:42, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. You seem to run into a lot of photo opportinities. I like the composition of this one and the natural surroundings. DOF is a bit much though even for a purely asthetic image, and a lot too much for an encyclopedic one. --Dschwen 10:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Like liquidGhoul I prefer Image:Bearded dragon05.jpg where the DOF is much less jarring. I think an encyclopedic pic though should try to get the whole subject in focus even though I appreciate you have valid aesthetic reasons for the effect. Yes it's better than cropping but if you are saying that the lizard's head is the only subject of the photo then the pixel count is just too low. ~ Veledan • Talk 18:29, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Would be a nice image if it weren't for the fact that half the image is blurred and the background is extremely distracting to look at. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 19:52, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't mind the fact that the tail is blurred – in fact, I think that could even look good – but the depth of field is just too shallow in this image. Even the neck is out of focus. –Joke 20:13, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Good. KILO-LIMA 21:31, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose - DOF too shallow. --Janke | Talk 23:39, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Nobody has mentioned that it is extremely contrasty to the point where half the lizard is overexposed. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 18:23, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. DoF is just too shallow, sorry. The "05" image isn't as bad though... I might support that one. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:42, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: I like the desaturation in this one, but the depth of field is marginally on the shallow side. 02 is better in that respect. Ideally just in between the two... - Samsara contrib talk 02:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- This animal looks so much healthier than any of the others in the article that I must support. - Samsara contrib talk 04:24, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- It shouldn't even be in that article, look at Fir's identification (which is correct), and the taxobox. --liquidGhoul 04:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- You could be bold and remove it then. I dare you. ;) Fir0002? What do you say? Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 20:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- It is still a Bearded Dargon, so that is the best home for it. So I say leave it were it is! Anyway, couldn't we add the "barbata" to the species list? --Fir0002 www 11:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- My image above is a soldier crab, do you think it should go in the Soldier crab article? Secondly, I don't quite understand what you mean by add it to the species list, but you could add it to the Pogona article, and I have found that Pogona barbata is already an article. You could clean it up some and add it to there. --liquidGhoul 01:08, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- I would rather be bold and create an article for the Eastern Bearded Dragon, but I have to wait until I can get access to my Australian reptiles book. --liquidGhoul 23:26, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support With any more DOF the image would be less attractive, and the background would be busy and distracting. --Gmaxwell 22:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose Half of the image is blurry and the image, overall, is not up to the standard. Alvinrune TALK 00:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Not promoted Raven4x4x 04:48, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Original version |
I know I've already unsuccessfully tried to feature a hay bale photo, but to me a round hay bale is so iconic of farming and the country (particularly in Australia) that I feel such a photo is worthy of FP status.
- Support Self Nom. --Fir0002 www 23:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support, despite the lines in the sky, which I'm sure other people will pick up on. I'd rather see them removed, it would be a pity to have this otherwise beautifal image rejected on such an issue.(Are you one of those people who can't stand it when people talk using terrible grammar? If so, I'd be delighted if you could pass the proverbial fine-toothed comb of grammar through my user page. Thanks! 00:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC))
- Support. Difficult topic to illustrate, but I think this does it well. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-26 00:27
- Considerably better than the last two hay bale nominations. Good composition. The colors - the fields, the sky, are still pretty underwhelming to me. Weak oppose. Maybe take the photo in a different season, when the fields in the background aren't all brown? zafiroblue05 | Talk 01:02, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- I've auto-leveled the image to help with the colors. Make sure to CTRL+F5 to get the new version. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-26 01:07
- My, you're bold... ;-) I think you should have uploaded your edit as "version 2", not overwrite Fir's image. Even though it is compliant with GDFL, in the case of FPCs I think originals should not be overwritten... --Janke | Talk 09:04, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- I wasn't really overwriting Fir's. It's just simpler than uploading multiple versions to separate files. I've noticed that when some of the modified versions become featured, the original version remains the one used in the actual article, while the modified version is orphaned. It would be better if people checked the individual histories of each image for their favorite version. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-26 13:52
- Well, according to the file history you uploaded a new version with the same file name. Sure, Fir's original is there in the history, but how many who look at this page would go and check that? Usually, new versions are uploaded and displayed as variations here, so voters can compare them - see the Water drop, British Museum, Ajanta Painting and Cental station further below. --Janke | Talk 14:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I know that very well. My point was that sometimes people forget to put the featured version into articles, leaving the original, unfeatured version in the articles, and leaving the featured version orphaned. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-26 15:45
- Isn't that the job of the person who administers the FPC page and removes the entries from the page when they have approved/rejected? If that isn't being done, then that process should presumably be addressed. It doesn't mean you make changes to the original before the change is supported here.. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 16:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- It's not like I'm saying my version should be the only choice. It would be easier to automate the process if all the versions were uploaded to the same file, and voters picked their favorite edit (this would only be done for changes to an original image). Then the featured choice could simply be made the only version of the image, and there is no need to change links in articles. I don't know who is supposed to be doing that, but I've seen it happen in the past where the featured picture is orphaned. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-26 17:00
- But you haven't really given viewers the chance to see both simultaneously and decide for themselves. I've seen that happen before too, but I don't really think that updating an existing image before it is approved is the answer, as I've mentioned previously. Maybe this should be taken to the talk page. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 18:26, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Bah edit conflict with Diliff. Brian0918, please don't overwrite pics like this. I appreciate you had reasons and it wasn't done thoughtlessly but that just isn't the way we currently do things and people will not be expecting it. Such a change in practice needs to be discussed first ~ Veledan • Talk 18:42, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- I've been doing this for quite a while now. If the change was very significant, and not necessarily better, then I would probably upload it to a separate file, but for generally good changes, I'll just overwrite the original. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-26 20:44
- I've been doing this for quite a while now. - As you can see, we don't all approve of that. In the future, please upload your edits of FPCs as new files, so we can see the changes and vote on them. Not everyone may agree that your edit is better. If the new version is good, it will be chosen over the original, but we need to compare. --Janke | Talk 22:45, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Personally I'd have liked to have had an alternative version rather than an overwrite, as I'm not sure of the background blurring and I prefer the warm glow of dawn. But I'll leave that side you guys to decide. --Fir0002 www 00:12, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. I'm neutral towards the colour balance difference but I really dislike the background blurring that he has applied. It doesn't look particularly photographic and natural and even before I had read what he had done, I noticed that the background appeared a little quirky. I support the original image by Fir0002 and oppose the edit. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 04:47, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- The background was blurred to help the hay stand out. If you look through Fir's pictures, you'll notice he does this a lot too. Someone might be able to do a better job of it, though. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-27 04:58
- I don't really agree with Fir0002's blurring either to be honest. This is opening up that old can of worms again but surely if you want a blurred background, you open the aperture more. I don't think the haystack needed to stand out any more than it already did, anyhow. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 13:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Actually I don't blur the background unless I'm removing noise. I think the only photo I remember digitally blurring is the haystack photo Brian asked my to do to try make stand out more. Like the Bearded lizard is all just natural bokeh --Fir0002 www 09:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC
- Getting a bit crazy with the indentations here. I think Brian has to use a bit of restraint in photo manipulation. Blurring isn't necessary in this image at all. It stands out just fine. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 03:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Actually I don't blur the background unless I'm removing noise. I think the only photo I remember digitally blurring is the haystack photo Brian asked my to do to try make stand out more. Like the Bearded lizard is all just natural bokeh --Fir0002 www 09:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC
- I don't really agree with Fir0002's blurring either to be honest. This is opening up that old can of worms again but surely if you want a blurred background, you open the aperture more. I don't think the haystack needed to stand out any more than it already did, anyhow. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 13:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- The background was blurred to help the hay stand out. If you look through Fir's pictures, you'll notice he does this a lot too. Someone might be able to do a better job of it, though. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-27 04:58
- I've undone the background blurring. It wasn't that great to begin with. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-27 05:04
- I agree. I'm neutral towards the colour balance difference but I really dislike the background blurring that he has applied. It doesn't look particularly photographic and natural and even before I had read what he had done, I noticed that the background appeared a little quirky. I support the original image by Fir0002 and oppose the edit. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 04:47, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- undone... wasn't that great to begin with. So, if I hadn't taken this up, it means that an inferior version would have been promoted... Now I hope you understand why we want the original untouched, and vote on the versions! Please abstain from this practice in the future, thanks! In fact, I feel so strongly that the original should always be visible here (and I think I have the support of Diliff, Veledan and Fir), that I've been bold myself, and added a comment in the voting instructions. NOTE: Discussion now taken to FPC talk page. If you have comments, please continue there. --Janke | Talk 07:56, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- No. I was waiting for Fir's opinion, not yours. I had planned on working on it some more, but just haven't gotten around to it. I don't see the need to have to upload multiple files to multiple locations when they are all visible from the same location. It just seems easier to have them all in one location to compare. The number of people who agree with you doesn't really matter if your rationale is not sound, so I would focus on that. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-27 13:35
- Personally I'd have liked to have had an alternative version rather than an overwrite, as I'm not sure of the background blurring and I prefer the warm glow of dawn. But I'll leave that side you guys to decide. --Fir0002 www 00:12, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- I've been doing this for quite a while now. - As you can see, we don't all approve of that. In the future, please upload your edits of FPCs as new files, so we can see the changes and vote on them. Not everyone may agree that your edit is better. If the new version is good, it will be chosen over the original, but we need to compare. --Janke | Talk 22:45, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- I've been doing this for quite a while now. If the change was very significant, and not necessarily better, then I would probably upload it to a separate file, but for generally good changes, I'll just overwrite the original. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-26 20:44
- It's not like I'm saying my version should be the only choice. It would be easier to automate the process if all the versions were uploaded to the same file, and voters picked their favorite edit (this would only be done for changes to an original image). Then the featured choice could simply be made the only version of the image, and there is no need to change links in articles. I don't know who is supposed to be doing that, but I've seen it happen in the past where the featured picture is orphaned. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-26 17:00
- Isn't that the job of the person who administers the FPC page and removes the entries from the page when they have approved/rejected? If that isn't being done, then that process should presumably be addressed. It doesn't mean you make changes to the original before the change is supported here.. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 16:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I know that very well. My point was that sometimes people forget to put the featured version into articles, leaving the original, unfeatured version in the articles, and leaving the featured version orphaned. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-26 15:45
- Well, according to the file history you uploaded a new version with the same file name. Sure, Fir's original is there in the history, but how many who look at this page would go and check that? Usually, new versions are uploaded and displayed as variations here, so voters can compare them - see the Water drop, British Museum, Ajanta Painting and Cental station further below. --Janke | Talk 14:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- I wasn't really overwriting Fir's. It's just simpler than uploading multiple versions to separate files. I've noticed that when some of the modified versions become featured, the original version remains the one used in the actual article, while the modified version is orphaned. It would be better if people checked the individual histories of each image for their favorite version. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-26 13:52
- My, you're bold... ;-) I think you should have uploaded your edit as "version 2", not overwrite Fir's image. Even though it is compliant with GDFL, in the case of FPCs I think originals should not be overwritten... --Janke | Talk 09:04, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- I've auto-leveled the image to help with the colors. Make sure to CTRL+F5 to get the new version. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-26 01:07
- Support. I see the lines in the sky too. Maybe jpeg compression artifacts? Doesn't detract from an excellent photo. --dm (talk) 06:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, they appear to be artifacts. The lines are less apparent in Fir's original image. (Another reason to keep the original visible... ;-)--Janke | Talk 08:19, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support this rotund haystack. (original)--Janke | Talk 09:04, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Neutralfor now, though I do like the pic. My doubt stems from the fact that there is nothing to give an idea of scale. I don't know whether I'm looking at a bale that stands 3 feet or 12 feet high. ~ Veledan • Talk 18:42, 26 February 2006 (UTC)- The bale is about 1.2 m (I'm not sure what that is in feet ;-) --Fir0002 www 00:13, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Whose feet? :) — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-27 00:46
- About 4 feet then :-) OK I'll support especially if the size info can be added to the image text. ~ Veledan • Talk 16:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Whose feet? :) — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-27 00:46
- The bale is about 1.2 m (I'm not sure what that is in feet ;-) --Fir0002 www 00:13, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Joke 20:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. I like the image and it's a good clear representation of a round hay bale.--Dakota ~ ° 00:45, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. I like it. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support DaGizzaChat © 08:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Another nice image by Fir0002. Alvinrune TALK 00:16, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Another amazing, cool, and unique image from Fir0002! Staxringold 19:59, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
The original was more popular, so I have reverted Brian's edited version to the original. Raven4x4x 05:04, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Promoted Image:Round hay bale at dawn02.jpg Raven4x4x 05:04, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I think that this image is really admirable. It depicts one of the finest interior spaces available to the public in Great Britain. The photographer has captured the air of quiet, intellectual contemplation of the environment really well and in excellent detail. The image can be found on the British Museum Reading Room page and was taken by Diliff.
- Nominate and support. - (aeropagitica) 01:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Good stuff. Alr 02:10, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Stunning! Awesome detail, excellent technical details with artistic sense. SteveHopson 04:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Impressive. Nicely done. TomStar81 05:54, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Yayyy--Deglr6328 06:13, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Stunning, fantastic work. --lightdarkness (talk) 06:55, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - amazing image--Shanel 06:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Another awesome interior shot by the Wiki panorama master. --Janke | Talk 08:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support The small size on the right really doesn't do it justice (it's not going to end up like that on the front page, if it gets there, is it?). Other than that, lovely shot. --Fipe 09:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think it could ever be featured on the front page 500 pixels wide ;), but I adjusted the size and centred it for this page. Panoramas aren't really suited to the usual thumbnail size, and since this is the the FPC page, I don't see the problem with any FPC pics being around 400 px wide on the preview. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 14:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support great image! Calderwood 11:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Stunning. Neutralitytalk 17:45, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support superlative. –Joke 21:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Hey, I have been there! - Darwinek 21:44, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Excellent work. Agateller 01:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. Detail is remarkable, of course, but it'd be nice to get the window at the top of the dome in the photo. Going by this picture, that would probably distort the side walls at the edges of the image. But, of course, this picture distorts the benches in the center. It's a tradeoff. zafiroblue05 | Talk 03:55, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support, great. - Eagleamn 07:08, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Fantastic. Andrew18 @ 09:24, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Either Version. Uploaded a brighter version. --Fir0002 www 09:33, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- My support is for the original only. IMO, the second version is definitely too light. --Janke | Talk 14:31, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Agree. Once again I think the original is more accurate. Why do people always feel the need to make things look 'brighter'? I can see the point when detail is indistinguishable, but this is clearly not the situation... :) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 14:05, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- My support is for the original only. IMO, the second version is definitely too light. --Janke | Talk 14:31, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support, awesome! :D = Mailer Diablo 10:06, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Whoa! Nice picture there! Uncke Herb 13:42, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support --Candide, or Optimism 14:33, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. I've been there, and this looks much better than I could ever get such an image. - Mgm|(talk) 22:21, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Original only, the brighter version is not an improvement. - Hahnchen 01:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- You're right. No need to brighten. - Mgm|(talk) 11:24, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Excellent, support the original only. The brightened version lessens the impact of the rotunda ceiling.--Dakota ~ ° 18:49, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Original image is better than "brightened" one. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support the original. Very nice picture, gives you a good idea of what the place is like.--Lewk_of_Serthic contrib talk 02:22, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support I agree, the original is a better picture.--Xiaphias 08:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support - awesome! --Cyde Weys 04:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support brighter version. Awesome. Gracenotes T § 17:17, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Absolutely fantastic picture. -- gtdp (T)/(C) 13:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Original Image A beauty. Alvinrune TALK 00:20, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. The panoramic distortions give a slightly misleading impression of the shape of the room, but that's more than outweighed by the positive qualities of this picture. -- Solipsist 10:17, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Diliff took it. ;-) —Encephalon 11:32, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Bertilvidet 15:11, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support--Tone 23:00, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Support. I only have one word for this: wow. — Webdinger BLAH | SZ 01:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Promoted Image:British Museum Reading Room Panorama Feb 2006.jpg Raven4x4x 05:04, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Very clear picture depicting typical suburbian residences across North America. Image by Duke
- Nominate and support. - sikander 01:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Interesting picture for the topic. It might do well to be a bit bigger, but I think this size helps show the pattern better. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-25 04:15
- Neutral More stereotypical than illustrative or even typical. Circeus 04:19, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral Interesting photo enlarged, but difficult to decipher in small format. SteveHopson 04:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Illustrates stereotypical suburbia very well. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 05:09, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose - Way too small. way depressing too.--Deglr6328 06:10, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Large enough! (Who could want this as a wall-size poster?) Striking - does a good job of illustrating a suburb crowded to absolute capacity, none of the other shots on the page do this. --Janke | Talk 09:04, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Maybe we could add it urban sprawl? Neutralitytalk 17:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - illustrates really well. Both suburbia and depression. Renata 19:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support – looks good. –Joke 21:35, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Yes, we are all individuals -- Chris 73 | Talk 21:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral. Very good picture, but it's too dark - and the main reason for that, I think is the shadows from the houses. The rooftops are always going to be relatively dark, but the streets need to be brighter to stop this picture from being too gray and dark and boring. It'd be a better photo if it was taken closer to noon. zafiroblue05 | Talk 04:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- The moody lighting suits the subject, IMO. BTW: Have you checked your monitor with the little 4-circle test image on the top of the page? --Janke | Talk 14:35, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yep - three circles. :) The colors just look a little dirty to me in some way... zafiroblue05 | Talk 20:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Interesting --Fir0002 www 09:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yes! Support! - Mailer Diablo 10:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support could be a little bit sharper, but quality is sufficient for support Calderwood 18:14, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Highly illustrative. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support does a great job of showing what the suburbs are.--Lewk_of_Serthic contrib talk 03:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose No encyclopaedic value. Alvinrune TALK 00:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm.. I'm confused now. What encyclopaedic value do hay at dawn, goats in mountains, and this boxing picture have over this image of a typical suburban area? sikander 00:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Comment It's not just that. The image is dark (with shadows covering the streets) and gloomy. Also, the angle of the image seems, I don't know, kind of awkward. Alvinrune TALK 21:54, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm.. I'm confused now. What encyclopaedic value do hay at dawn, goats in mountains, and this boxing picture have over this image of a typical suburban area? sikander 00:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. A little confusing the the thumbnail, but perhaps that just makes it intriguing. Otherwise a good a clear aerial photo. Surely the Suburb article should have a non-aerial photo too. -- Solipsist 10:22, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support, nice illustration of suburbs and the kind of conformity prevalent in them --Legalizeit 10:30, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Very interesting and rare picture. Staxringold 20:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Promoted Image:Markham-suburbs id.jpg Raven4x4x 05:04, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
This is a lithographic plate from Ernst Haeckel's 1904 Kunstformen der Natur (Artforms of Nature), showing unusual and interesting frog species; Samsara has provided a translation of the description of each frog from the opposing page. The image is found in the frog article. I scanned, edited and uploaded it.--ragesoss 03:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Nominate and support. - ragesoss 03:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Very interesting image. Which description goes with which frog in the image? — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-24 03:42
- Support, beautiful and informative. To Brian0918: labels has tiny numbers beside each frog (on the margins). An alternative to this would be great though. I'd propose cutting out each frog and sticking it crudely to the left of its text. —Pengo 03:46, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oh no! Don't do that! Almost as bad as cutting up the original... ;-) Support, by the way, beautiful example of lithography. --Janke | Talk 08:05, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- (not a vote) Well I didn't cut it up, but I've gone and stuck chunky numbered labels on the frogs and added it to the description page. I've found it useful even just for my own reference. PS. The only frog species that has its own article is #2 (Hyla meridionalis) —Pengo 09:34, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support It is a great image, and it adds well towards the frog article. --liquidGhoul 09:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Well done folks! - Samsara contrib talk 10:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support I sense a scheme to get the whole book featured. I can't say I'm opposed. –Joke 15:41, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Extremely high resolution and well drawn. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 21:57, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Clear image. Classically beautiful nature litho compliments the Frog article well.--Dakota ~ ° 01:30, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. I like the image. sikander 01:30, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Remarkably Gothic. zafiroblue05 | Talk 01:05, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support for all reasons already mentioned in favour of this picture Calderwood 18:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support DaGizzaChat © 07:47, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment Now I haven't opposed, but I'm not convinced these pictures are encyclopedic in any modern sense. We demand a great degree of fidelity to the subject from FPs, at least in wikipedia (as opposed to commons), and these lithographs typically exaggerate as I understand them. Also, they are common and I don't think we should necessarily promote the first couple we see: when I was writing Bladderwort last summer, I remember sorting through dozens of attractive public domain lithographs to select a couple for the article - and that was only what was available for for one genus. Choosing one to illustrate Lithograph seems reasonable but we already have the anemones. ~ Veledan • Talk 17:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- I agree in principle with the point you are making, but the (in)fidelity issue is balanced against what these images add to articles that other available images can't provide, their historical significance, and their aesthetic power. Haeckel plates in particular are in a unique position; for much of Haeckel's taxonomy work, his descriptions are still best available and still usable by practicing scientists; exaggeration may be an issue, but not not to the extent that it compromises their encyclopedic value. The three recent lithographs on FPC have been some of the best from Kunstformen der Natur, which was itself compiled by culling the best of images out of over a thousand of Haeckel's drawings. The bladderwort litho in that article is attractive (and of course many of comparable quality are available for many subjects), but I think these Haeckel ones are in a different league. My current plan is to keep gradually nominating these images until they start failing, but if a significant number of people share Veledan's concerns, of course I'll reconsider.--ragesoss 18:35, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral. While I do share some of Veledan's concerns, my neutral vote is mostly because I don't feel that the Frog lithograph adds as much as the Sea Anemone one did. I don't think we need all of Haeckel's plates as FPs. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Should FPs of outer space also be limited because they all came from the same source, NASA? — 0918BRIAN • 2006-03-1 02:15
- Improper analogy, we're talking here about lithographic plates not photographs. Regardless of who takes photos of "outer space" they're still going to be photos. The difference between this image and a mosaic of photographs of the relevant frogs, for example, should be obvious. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:25, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- You're assuming that any two photographers will photograph the same subject from the same angle with the same lighting, exposure, aperture, etc, which is not true. So, no, it is not a false analogy. Also, the images from NASA are as much artistic as painting, since the majority of images they release are not true color. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-03-5 06:19
- I'm not sure what angles you think people are going to photograph celestial objects from, but my understanding is that you're not going to get very much luck, even with parallax, even at opposite sides of Earth's orbit. ;) --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- You were referring to photography in general in your original reply, so that's why I included angles. While that doesn't apply to celestial objects, all of the other things I mentioned still apply. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-03-7 20:18
- Yes, I know, hence the smiley at the end of my last reply. :) However, I stand by my assertion that lithographs are fundamentally different than photographs (certainly when the photograph is an attempt to accurately render real-life, rather than going for an "artistic" impression) for the purposes of my argument. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 22:37, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- You were referring to photography in general in your original reply, so that's why I included angles. While that doesn't apply to celestial objects, all of the other things I mentioned still apply. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-03-7 20:18
- I'm not sure what angles you think people are going to photograph celestial objects from, but my understanding is that you're not going to get very much luck, even with parallax, even at opposite sides of Earth's orbit. ;) --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- You're assuming that any two photographers will photograph the same subject from the same angle with the same lighting, exposure, aperture, etc, which is not true. So, no, it is not a false analogy. Also, the images from NASA are as much artistic as painting, since the majority of images they release are not true color. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-03-5 06:19
- Improper analogy, we're talking here about lithographic plates not photographs. Regardless of who takes photos of "outer space" they're still going to be photos. The difference between this image and a mosaic of photographs of the relevant frogs, for example, should be obvious. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:25, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Should FPs of outer space also be limited because they all came from the same source, NASA? — 0918BRIAN • 2006-03-1 02:15
Promoted Image: Haeckel Batrachia.jpg ~ Veledan • Talk 23:41, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
From Fiji Banded Iguana. It really pops, it's eye is looking directly at the camera, and it has great color. If there is support I'll convince Rklawton to upload a larger version.
- Thank you for your nomination. I've gone ahead and uploaded a higher-res version as per your recommendation. God help those with modem connections. Rklawton 08:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Those with slow connections need not view the giant pic! - Adrian Pingstone 15:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Nominate and support. - Ravedave 04:57, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support IF a higher res version is uploaded. Some people will probably whine about not being able to see the whole subject, but they can get over themselves. The picture is illustrating that portion of the lizard, and it looks good. drumguy8800 - speak? 05:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- According to Cyde Weys below it's already 3504x2336. How much larger do you want to? - Mgm|(talk) 09:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Still Oppose
partly because it's only 640 px wide. If I've understood the consensus correctly, 1000 px is now considered minimum for FP., it's extremely fuzzy in large size - was it simply re-sized from a lo-res image??? Loss of tail is not a concern here, but the head appears to be partially in shadow, thus giving the impression of a dark snout. --Janke | Talk 07:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)- This vote should be revisited because the image dimensions are now 3504x2336. --Cyde Weys 09:34, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- I shot this subject with a Canon EOS 20D, an 8.2-megapixel semi-professional digital single-lens reflex camera, using its highest resolution JPEG setting under low-light conditions (see metadata for details). The current image is the original. I have since switched to shooting on the maximum, zero-loss (RAW) setting, but that's not a format supported here. I'll probably re-shoot this subject. Rklawton 21:16, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Just because you shoot RAW, it doesn't mean you can't convert it to JPG. That is the point, in fact. It just looks extremely out of focus in this image. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 16:59, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- 1000 px is not minimum. The wording is "Be of a sufficiently high resolution to allow quality reproductions". I take this as high enough resolution to allow good detail on important parts of the subject. I find the electron microscope image below of good size, as no more detail can be added. However, when it comes to animals, the bigger the better (generally). --liquidGhoul 11:48, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- I shot this subject with a Canon EOS 20D, an 8.2-megapixel semi-professional digital single-lens reflex camera, using its highest resolution JPEG setting under low-light conditions (see metadata for details). The current image is the original. I have since switched to shooting on the maximum, zero-loss (RAW) setting, but that's not a format supported here. I'll probably re-shoot this subject. Rklawton 21:16, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Out of focus on the head, and bad lighting around the head. --liquidGhoul 11:48, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose, part of the animal is cropped on the side. If the remaining part is indeed out of focus that's a bad thing, but really, I prefer to have as much of the animal in frame of the picture to begin with. - Mgm|(talk) 12:53, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose - out of focus - Adrian Pingstone 15:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Focus and exposure issues. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:32, 23 February 2006 (UTC)]
- Oppose Very blurry, terrible noise. chowells 01:08, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Blurry and out of focus. - Eagleamn 07:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Blur is the biggest problem. DaGizzaChat © 08:52, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose for sure. - Samsara contrib talk 04:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral The image is blurry, but the resolution and color is good. Alvinrune TALK 22:44, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Not promoted ~ Veledan • Talk 00:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
A high-res, crisp, appealing picture of the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in Savannah, Georgia
- Nominate and support. drumguy8800 - speak? 23:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. The sky is beautiful, but I don't like how the base of the Church is cut off. - JPM | 23:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. same as JPM, too bad though, great pic otherwise. -Ravedave 05:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Can be much better: base included, better perspective by being shot from further away, or, if that is not possible, rectify perspective. --Janke | Talk 07:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Agree with above, I want the base. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I was going to say something after the first oppose, but now that its gone to 4 opposes, I suppose I'll say something. I really hate it when people oppose an FPC candidate because the area focused on isn't ideal for the voter. The picture is not of the entire Cathedral, it is of the area I as a photographer chose for ideal composition. Had I chosen to shoot the base (which is rather unadorned and unnatractive), the "cracking sidewalk" and "ugly rusty railings" would've detracted from the image and voters would've opposed for that reason. I know that voting is your opinion, but if you're going to oppose someone's FPC do so because the photograph has issues not because the photograph in your imagination is better. Thanks so much. drumguy8800 - speak? 23:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- The photograph has issues... it does not fully display its subject. If the article it was illustrating was about a certain aspect of cathedral architecture, you'd have more of a point. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:21, 24 February 2006 (UTC) P.S. Don't get so defensive.
- Actually, the photograph does have issues that I didn't include in my oppose reasoning, because I didn't want to be too harsh or nit-picky. But now I regret that decision. Regardless of that, if it's supposed to be a picture of a cathedral, and the cathedral isn't entirely pictured, then this is obviously a problem. And if you think including the base would have opened the image up to other complaints, like "cracking sidewalk," then perhaps the church just isn't cut out for being a FP. You could have focused on a certain aspect of the church, and then this wouldn't have been a problem, but if you present the church as the FPC, and it's not all showing, what can you expect? Look at some of the other FPC's where part of the object in question was cut off -- they almost always get opposed. You're welcome. - JPM | 01:02, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose don't like the bottom bit being cut off. chowells 01:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Suffers from a lack of Perspective Control, which causes the towers to look like they are falling backwards. Photo has nice features, but lacks technical quality to merit Feature Picture designation. SteveHopson 05:07, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Agree with chowells --Fir0002 www 09:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Image is uncomplete. Andrew18 @ 09:26, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose due to bottom of church being cut off and weird angle of shot. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 20:02, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Though the image is incomplete, I feel that it does accurately represent the target. And the perspective is not that bad. --Joshua Boniface 23:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose Very nice image, but as stated already I don't like how the base of the church is cut off. Alvinrune TALK 22:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Not promoted ~ Veledan • Talk 00:12, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I think this picture strongly meets the requirements of WP:FPC. It illustrates the article content particularly well and it is absolutely eye-catching to the point where users will want to read its accompanying article. The image is public domain, created by a Wikipedian, so no problems there.
- Nominate and support. - Cyde Weys 18:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral. Nice boobs, but... well... the background is not well chosen and the composition is not that good either. bogdan 18:45, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Just a snapshot. --Janke | Talk 19:28, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. It's not pornography, just a picture. - JPM | 20:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Agree with above. Alr 22:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral: I agree with bogdan; additionally, I think the other picture on the page better illistrates the subject matter. The blond girl also appears to have a case of red eye, although it could just be me. TomStar81 23:43, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose - This isn't porn. It's just a mundane picture of some dumb slags. Certainly not FP worthy.--Deglr6328 06:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- ! Strong Oppose This is a snapshot I realize that its fun to submit silly pictures that would never make it as an FPC just because they have some encyclopedic "worth," but there really are some great candidates if you look around something like deviantart enough. Find a good one, ask the contributor if it can be put on the wikipedia. Out of curiosity, do you know these girls? Are you trying to spite them ;)? drumguy8800 - speak? 14:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- I wish I knew these girls :-P Cyde Weys 23:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose - not interesting enough or special enough for Featured pic - Adrian Pingstone 15:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose This is neither pornography (since it does not cause sexual arousal) nor is it a remarkable picture. Composition and background are bad, colours and sharpness not above average, and the blond girl has in fact a red eye. There is no reason whatsoever to feature this picture. Calderwood 21:13, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. It's pornographic in that I suppose it's purpose is titilation (and there appear to be those who are titilated by it), but it's not an especially interesting or intriguing example. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:30, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose per Calderwood. - Mgm|(talk) 09:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Opppose erm no. chowells 01:10, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Opppose Doesn't merit Feature Picture status. SteveHopson 05:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose In no way remarkable. --Fipe 09:54, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Funny party snapshot, but nothing excellent about it. Kessa Ligerro 10:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose If such images are made pic of day, people will think wikipedia is some stupid nonsense site.--vineeth 11:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Cute models do not a good image make. Agateller 01:04, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose, lol. - Mailer Diablo 01:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Strong oppose! Nothing interesting about it. - Eagleamn 07:12, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. What is this, Wikipedians Gone Wild?--Fallout boy 04:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Strong support - Featured images are supposed to enhanced the look of the main page, and this one fits into that category. -- infinity0 17:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Pity support :) --Obli (Talk)? 17:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Boobs. Coffee 20:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Comment Is that a support or an oppose? Alvinrune TALK 22:57, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- I couldn't say for certain but I know that whenever I hear "boobs" i think Yes!, so i'd guess that's a support. Vicarious 08:40, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- At this point it doesn't really matter. Just consider it a pity support. :) Coffee 18:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- I couldn't say for certain but I know that whenever I hear "boobs" i think Yes!, so i'd guess that's a support. Vicarious 08:40, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- Comment Is that a support or an oppose? Alvinrune TALK 22:57, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose It's clearly not in any articles. It's seems to be a simple photo that some teen friends took of each other. (Maybe you mistaked Featured Picture Candidates for Images for Deletion.) Lol. Alvinrune TALK 22:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Not promoted ~ Veledan • Talk 00:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I'll try and see if I can even begin to compete with the magnificent panoramas shown here lately. This one is in the Hanko, Finland article, and shows the typical, mostly wooden architecture, and the coastline of a Finnish small town. Since the camera is looking straight into the sun, the burn-out in the water & sky is inevitable. I shot and stitched this 6 years ago. Back then, there were no good stitching programs available (the one that came with the camera was practically useless), so this is stitched completely manually. For this reason, there are some imperfections. I know some of you are looking for such, so maybe I'm not very wise in telling you this... ;-)
- Self-nom and support. - Janke | Talk 11:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment. Nice stitch job. I'd like to see the continuation on the right. The left third is a but boring, the middle part is dark woods and blown out sun/sky. The right third is nice though. --Dschwen 13:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, the manual stitching didn't work further right - the more built-up area gave me no way of "cheating" with the stitching - and, to be honest, that part of town doesn't look as nice. But if anyone has some good stitching software, I can either e-mail or upload the nine original files (totaling 360°) for you to try - only 7.5 Mb... --Janke | Talk 17:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Diliff did try, but it appears that even his modern software and his considerable talent in using it couldn't handle this, since it is shot with a downward tilt, distorting the original images. If anyone else cares to try, either manually or with software, I'll give you the link to the original pics. Challenge time! ;-) --Janke | Talk 09:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support the original, or a version continued to the right. - JPM | 15:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. The sun reflecting off the water ruins it for me, unfortunately. Alr 15:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral. This image just doesn't do anything for me. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:35, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Weak support, its nice and does illustrate the article, but the sun is a problem and (is it just me) the quality seems slightly off. BrokenSegue 20:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Chop off the left third and accentuate the water a bit, and you've got my vote. The water's the most attractive bit of the photo, and sadly is relegated to background by the shopping centre on the right. --Fipe 10:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Poor image quality at full res. A better time of day (noon) could have been used to avoid the burnt-out-straight-in-the-sun areas --Fir0002 www 09:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- You know, I don't think waiting 27 minutes would have helped much... ;-) Sun and water is always a problem in a back-lit situation. In fact, I was surprised that the camera (a 2 megapixel Canon Ixus made in 1999) managed as well as it did! --Janke | Talk 13:57, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support nice picture, good illustration, and especially impressive given the limitations of your equipment & software. ~ Veledan • Talk 19:34, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Strong support Great picture -- the quality is good, and it really gives you a feel for the town.--Xiaphias 08:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Mstroeck 00:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support, and I'm willing to try the stitching challenge if you send me the originals. As for the sun over the water, that's an integral part of the landscape. Remember that this town is at latitude 59.5° N. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:38, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- I've uploaded a full 360° version restitched in hugin: see above. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 15:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Good job, thanks! I still see some very slight stitcing mismatches, but nowhere as much as in my manually stitched 360 degree version (which I decline to submit for that reason). Now, we need to decide what part of the 360 degrees constitute a FP - I don't think the whole is greater than the parts, here.. ;-) I think I did indeed choose the best parts in my own stitching attempt... --Janke | Talk 16:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- For comparison, I added the middle 180° of the full panorama above. How's that look? Too narrow? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 17:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- I think it crops off a bit too much on the left - gets kind of cramped in that corner, also due to some vertical cropping - which may be inevitable in the "curved type" stitching, as opposed to rectilinear. --Janke | Talk 18:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- You're right, how about an intermediate 270° version? I kind of like that one myself. It extends approximately as far as you original version on the left, but includes enough extra area on the right to keep the sun in the center. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 19:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I prefer either my original version or the 270 degree by you. Let's see what others think, if they still bother to scroll this low down on the page... ;-) --Janke | Talk 21:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- You're right, how about an intermediate 270° version? I kind of like that one myself. It extends approximately as far as you original version on the left, but includes enough extra area on the right to keep the sun in the center. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 19:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- I think it crops off a bit too much on the left - gets kind of cramped in that corner, also due to some vertical cropping - which may be inevitable in the "curved type" stitching, as opposed to rectilinear. --Janke | Talk 18:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- For comparison, I added the middle 180° of the full panorama above. How's that look? Too narrow? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 17:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Good job, thanks! I still see some very slight stitcing mismatches, but nowhere as much as in my manually stitched 360 degree version (which I decline to submit for that reason). Now, we need to decide what part of the 360 degrees constitute a FP - I don't think the whole is greater than the parts, here.. ;-) I think I did indeed choose the best parts in my own stitching attempt... --Janke | Talk 16:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- I've uploaded a full 360° version restitched in hugin: see above. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 15:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Support 360° Panorama Very nicely done. Alvinrune TALK 23:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Closing comment: As the photographer, I'd prefer the original version as FP, due to its rectilinear perspective. --Janke | Talk 06:44, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Promoted Image:Hankopan.JPG. Promoted original - all are good and several have some support but no clear consensus for any other version ~ Veledan • Talk 00:25, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
A fine specimen of a duck. Feather textures are clear. Water droplets show he has just come out of the water. Image appears in Mandarin Duck (Aix galericulata), taken by Peter Galaxy.
- Self-Nominate and support. - one of my fav photos —Pengo 02:40, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Weak oppose It is an incredibly beautiful bird, and good photo, it just seems slightly out of foucus. Also, the cropping is pretty bad, in that there is a large gap at the front, and his tail is cut off.--liquidGhoul 02:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Another weak oppose, a pity the background is so distracting, and the tail is cut off. BTW, it's probably motion unsharpness, not bad focus - see the moving leg.
But, oh, how cute the Mona Lisa smile is!, oh, shucks, it's a male... ;-) --Janke | Talk 07:47, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yes it's motion blur, and it's not aparent at "typical" screen resolutions (e.g. 1280×1024), which is the resolution i'm now thinking i should have uploaded the image at. —Pengo 10:51, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. Yes badly cropped, but nothing wrong with the background. I prefer to see animals in a nature environment instead of doctored images with backgrounds removed or changed. - Mgm|(talk) 09:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose - out of focus - Adrian Pingstone 10:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- You know, I'm a little bitter about the entire 'not enough tail!' thing (one of my FPC got shot down for it) but this is a little much to me. It's very clear and in focus though. I like it.. just noticing the tail makes it feel so unbalanced.. drumguy8800 - speak? 13:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Drumguy, we'll have to differ on the focus. On my 1024 by 768 screen (which gives perfect focus on other pics) it's definitely not in focus. Yes, the focus is reasonable but not FPC quality. Isn't it fascinating how different eyes see things differently! - Adrian Pingstone 17:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- You know, I had another look and Janke is right, it is motion blur, not out of focus. Regardless, it just isn't sharp enough to be featured, I think. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 00:39, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Drumguy, we'll have to differ on the focus. On my 1024 by 768 screen (which gives perfect focus on other pics) it's definitely not in focus. Yes, the focus is reasonable but not FPC quality. Isn't it fascinating how different eyes see things differently! - Adrian Pingstone 17:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Very weak oppose - I guess I find that it is out of focus too, but damn is that thing really cuuute! --Cyde Weys 18:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Mainly for the cropping of the tail. Unfortunate as I don't find anything else about the image a problem. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 19:43, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support I think the rest of the pic makes up for the cut off tail -Ravedave 05:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral. Motion blur and missing tail bother me, but I'm not sure it's enough to put a kibosh on the pic as a whole. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:39, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose can't forgive the amputated tail feathers. chowells 01:14, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Distracting background. SteveHopson 05:08, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Very weak oppose A beautiful duck and a good picture. Pity the tail got cut off! Kessa Ligerro 10:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Nice bird, but I don't like the background: it's a brown bird on a brown background. bogdan 22:20, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Weak Support - could be so much better. Are you one of those people who can't stand it when people talk using terrible grammar? If so, I'd be delighted if you could pass the proverbial fine-toothed comb of grammar through my user page. Thanks! 00:15, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Weak Support - Slightly out of focus, still a nice pic --vineeth 05:55, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Tail cut off, focus pretty average. --Fir0002 www 09:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Would prefer it sharper, with the tip of the tail on, but I still think it is striking and FP worthy. –Joke 20:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - I love it. KILO-LIMA 21:35, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral We have to remember, just because the duck looks so cool doesn't mean its FP quality. DaGizzaChat © 07:42, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. I don't think you could capture that subject much better. - Samsara contrib talk 03:57, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Isn't this supposed about clicking into an encyclopedia article because the picture looks interesting? I'm not trying to frame it and put it on my wall, but the picture makes me want to learn about Mandarin Ducks. That's the point. The picture is awesome. tara
- Comment Personally, I much rather this image. It has a good background, and the ducks are framed well. It has the same focus/motion blur (whichever it is) problems, but doesn't have the other problems. --liquidGhoul 02:02, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Nice! Alvinrune TALK 23:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Not promoted ~ Veledan • Talk 00:46, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
It's not a particularly striking or scenic image, which isn't this image's value; rather, this lists all the major cities, including the ones in Central Asia, and all military possessions, a very expansive and extensive map; and it's detail is its value here that I think should be a role model for all other maps to look up to. It is topographical, and shows trade routes, and hints at the Silk Road. It is therefore of high value to the Han Dynasty (and good for the Xiongnu article to give a bigger picture). This could probably be built on by including the contact with the Ancient Greeks, Macedonians, etc. beyond the Ta-Yuan (which is spelt Dayuan in the image and is to the very western edge of the map), but this is sufficient for featured picture, methinks. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 22:38, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Nominate and support. - Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 22:38, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Oppose. The sourcing is weird- it covers relatively trivial matters such as geographical features, but not the main business of the respective settlements and their statuses.Markyour words 01:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)Oppose. Interesting map, but too plain to be FP worthy in my opinion. Also, there are a few little problems. The scale in the lower right shows 500 mi where it should be 400 mi. Some words are a little difficult to read, like Wu or Panyu on the coast. Green and yellow dots are not so easy to distinguish. Finally, I am not sure I understand the meaning of the text about the eastern coastline. --Bernard Helmstetter 21:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)- On second thought, Neutral. A couple more remarks. NJ-MAN should probably appear in the abbreviation list. And I don't understand if words in capital letters are meant to indicate people, cities or regions. Some of these, but not all, seem to be associated with dots, so it is confusing. --Bernard Helmstetter 17:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- The NJ-MAN thing has been fixed up. The small capital letters are meant to indicate peoples, as is shown in the key on the left. I can see how it may be confusing in the western regions, where some peoples overlap with tributary states. In that area sometimes one people are divided into two tributary states. There are also some peoples who did not recognise the authority of the Han empire. I tend to think that it shouldn't be so confusing for someone with some familiarity with Han history. Yeu Ninje 12:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- On second thought, Neutral. A couple more remarks. NJ-MAN should probably appear in the abbreviation list. And I don't understand if words in capital letters are meant to indicate people, cities or regions. Some of these, but not all, seem to be associated with dots, so it is confusing. --Bernard Helmstetter 17:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Neutral. I like a lot about the map, but it has issues. For one, I don't think it really does a good job of fully illustrating Han's foreign relations of the period. Perhaps someone can address the concerns and upload an updated version. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:45, 23 February 2006 (UTC)- Support. Good changes. The format should be PNG (as noted by Renata) and the white lines (communication and transport routes, see image description page) should be made explicit in the legend, but I'm voting support because I'm betting that Yeu Ninje will promptly address those issues. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral, I would really like to see a higher resolution version if that is possible, some of the dots are hard to see. I really appreciate the extent of the documentation though.--Lewk_of_Serthic contrib talk 22:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm the original creator of this map. I've uploaded a new version, cleared up some of the errors (like the "500 mi" thing), and attempted to clear up some of the ambiguities (like how the capitalised names are the names of non-Chinese peoples, not geographical features). I've also taken up Dante's point, and renamed the map to "Han Civilisation". The shaded areas are supposed to show the extent of Han civilisation (as evidenced by the presence of Han culture, direct Han political authority, urbanisation etc.); the orange dependent states in Central Asia were subject to indirect Han political influence. Whilst this map may not make it to featured picture status, your comments are still helpful - keep them coming. Yeu Ninje 02:40, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Could you give sources for the extent of Han settlement, and for the the status of the settlements? Markyour words 21:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- I've added a note to the image which hopefully explains the source: "The shaded areas show the extent of Han civilisation. I've based this on the existence of settlements under direct Han political authority or military control, according to Tan Qixiang (ed.), Zhongguo lishi ditu (中国历史地图集; 1982)." Yeu Ninje 01:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Could you give sources for the extent of Han settlement, and for the the status of the settlements? Markyour words 21:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Text is small and difficult to read. Many of the letters are broken. Also, the white line is not explained in the legend. I assume these are trade routes, but a reader might not know that. --dm (talk) 05:16, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- The key is now more detailed, and explains the white lines. The text, whilst small, should be quite legible once you expand the map to full resolution. Yeu Ninje 01:02, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Oppose- it should be png and not jpg. If the format will change, please remove my vote. It's a very good map indeed! Renata 19:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)- I've changed the format to png and moved the map to Image:Han Civilisation.png. Yeu Ninje 00:53, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Yeu Ninje 04:28, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- oppose I agree fully w/ the nominator's reasons for nominating this, but the dark brown color used to depict landmass is much too dark, making the black lettering difficult to read.--Jiang 08:45, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Whoever did this map is awesome. I've seen variants of it used on other China articles as well. I'm not a big fan of this particular map (I'd prefer the Three Kingdoms one instead), but if this is the one that gets nominated, it has my support. Palm_Dogg 15:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. High quality, very informative and detailed. --Pkchan 14:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Promoted Image:Han Civilisation.png (+5/-2/2). Neutral concerns well addressed ~ Veledan • Talk 01:01, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
This image is sufficiently large and detailed. It is a perfectly iconic image of a candle. The article appears in candle, Plasma (physics), and Template:User_AI. This image was not created by a wikipedia user but has a stable and verifiable copyright tag.
- Nominate and support. - Vicarious 04:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support nice photo, significant size and resolution and looks good. JtkieferT | C | @ ---- 05:02, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support good photo.
- Support — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-20 14:09
- Oppose. The inner structure of the flame is invisible due to overexposure. I'd like to see the different zones in the flame clearly. --Janke | Talk 15:13, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. I agree with Janke; lacks detail where it's most needed--ragesoss 16:19, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - I like it. KILO-LIMA 16:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. ACK Janke Mikeo 16:55, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose for the same reasons as Janke. Its a fine image in composition but the exposure is off. In opposing this, we are encouraging a superior photo to be produced. Best not to forget that. It isn't a difficult photo to replicate or improve on. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 17:54, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Ack Janke, Diliff. Another photo challenge? --Dschwen 23:01, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Well, it looks like it is not that easy. This image is shot at 3 stops under, and there is still a little burn-out, while the blue edge at the bottom of the flame has all but disappeared. Might need a composite image of several exposures. Anyone? --Janke | Talk 09:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Such a picture is in fact not easy. If overexposure in the core parts of the flame is avoided, everything but this core disappears. But it is possible to make the area of overexposure smaller, so that the parts of the flame with lesser radiation density become better visible. Another objection to this picture is the distorted shape of the flame, probabely caused by the photographer's breath. Calderwood 21:23, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- You know, the one thing I like about this image is the shape of the flame! Isn't it amazing how people see things in different light! ;-) --Janke | Talk 11:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oh yes, for me this is a very familiar experience, but each time amazing nevertheless Calderwood 18:00, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- In Soviet Russia, puns make you! --Dante Alighieri | Talk 16:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- You know, the one thing I like about this image is the shape of the flame! Isn't it amazing how people see things in different light! ;-) --Janke | Talk 11:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Regardless of the difficulty of doing better, it's clear that better can be done. I'll grant a support vote to a better image. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:45, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose a good photo of a not so good flame Kessa Ligerro 11:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment There are now two new images of candle-flames where colour-shift is deliberately applied in order to enhance the visibility of the colour-zones Roger McLassus 12:21, 25 February 2006 (UTC):
- Good try, but for scientific reasons I'd really prefer a drawing over these two images. --Janke | Talk 12:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- For me manipulated photographs are a better option for scientific purpose, provided they are manipulated uniformly. By the way, Roger, did you already consider nominating these two pictures here? They might be useful for some articles. Calderwood 18:00, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- The question is, do these manipulated photos show the correct outlines of the zones in the flame? I.e. where are the unburnt hydrocarbons, where do we have plasma, where soot, where carbon burning? --Janke | Talk 09:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- For me manipulated photographs are a better option for scientific purpose, provided they are manipulated uniformly. By the way, Roger, did you already consider nominating these two pictures here? They might be useful for some articles. Calderwood 18:00, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Good try, but for scientific reasons I'd really prefer a drawing over these two images. --Janke | Talk 12:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Not promoted Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 05:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
This is one of the best photos available anywhere of the paintings in the Ajanta caves in India, a UNESCO World Heritage Site. These paintings were made between 2nd century BCE and 6th century CE. The image is in public domain worldwide, and was uploaded on Wikimedia commons by File Upload Bot (Eloquence). It adds meaningful information on various articles including Ajanta, Fresco, History of India, Painting, Gupta Empire, Arts and entertainment in India and History of sex in India.
- Nominate and support. - deeptrivia (talk) 04:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Would also be different from other POTDs and thus bring in more variety. --Gurubrahma 07:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- I've uploaded a version that is a bit sharper, with more color. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-19 16:58
- Sharpness is a good idea, but I like the yellowish tinge (PS: and softness ^_^ ) that the original image has. Is it just my personal preference, or some general aesthetic principle? deeptrivia (talk) 17:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support
originalversion 3 Nice picture and unusual, and doesn't rely on any single article for its contribution. Brian0918, I find your edit a bit too drastic. Do we have any reason to believe that the photographer got the colour wrong when he prepared this image for The Yorck Project? I suspect we are looking at truer colours in the original ~ Veledan • Talk 20:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)- The "true" colors are those that were originally used in the painting, not the colors that remain after years of wear. By trying to bring out the colors, I am simply trying to undo the wear, the same way that a damaged photograph is repaired, by removing specks of dust or creases. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-20 03:33
- This is a philosophical question. Some would hold that the wear does become inherent to the aesthetic value of the artwork of antiquity, and the Ajanta painting sans its wear simply isn't complete. deeptrivia (talk) 16:47, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Brian, if you could, would you repair the Colesseum? - JPM | 03:29, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Straw man. We're talking about an informational photo of an object, not the actual object. Even paintings get restored, and the Colosseum does undergo repairs so that it maintains its present condition--otherwise it would just get worse. But back to this image; the original photo was blurry, likely smeared out the colors, and did not represent the painting very well. I'm sure my change was too drastic, but it needs to be enhanced to better illustrate the article. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-21 05:29
- So you're saying it needs to illustrate the article better? The caption reads "Fresco from the Ajanta caves." If this is the current condition of the painting in the Ajanta cave, then doesn't it represent the article perfectly? I think these "informational photos" should try and be as close to the actual object in question as possible. I'm all for making the image more clear, or brighter - but tweaking the colors is a no-no, in my opinion - JPM | 07:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- The photographer himself likely screwed up the colors in the first place. Camera flashes don't simply make an image brighter. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-21 14:40
- But this is only an assumption of yours, and since I was not there when the photo was taken, I will not make the same assumption. - JPM | 23:36, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- You should not assume the colors are correct. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-21 23:38
- You're right, but since the original picture is what's presented to me at first, I have to throw my trust at it. - JPM | 03:38, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- You should not assume the colors are correct. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-21 23:38
- But this is only an assumption of yours, and since I was not there when the photo was taken, I will not make the same assumption. - JPM | 23:36, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- The photographer himself likely screwed up the colors in the first place. Camera flashes don't simply make an image brighter. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-21 14:40
- So you're saying it needs to illustrate the article better? The caption reads "Fresco from the Ajanta caves." If this is the current condition of the painting in the Ajanta cave, then doesn't it represent the article perfectly? I think these "informational photos" should try and be as close to the actual object in question as possible. I'm all for making the image more clear, or brighter - but tweaking the colors is a no-no, in my opinion - JPM | 07:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Straw man. We're talking about an informational photo of an object, not the actual object. Even paintings get restored, and the Colosseum does undergo repairs so that it maintains its present condition--otherwise it would just get worse. But back to this image; the original photo was blurry, likely smeared out the colors, and did not represent the painting very well. I'm sure my change was too drastic, but it needs to be enhanced to better illustrate the article. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-21 05:29
My support only goes toward the original, unless someone uploads a less drastic edit.- JPM | 03:29, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Janke's third edit, or any similar derivative edit. - JPM | 23:36, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - no vote yet. The edit maybe went a bit too far, but I think something inbetween might be good. The original is murky, and it's hard to see details. --Janke | Talk 15:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment, 3rd version: Since no-one else did, I took the original, corrected exposure only (not the color), reduced the size to 1600 px (original is fuzzy, so no info is lost). There are a few white spots of the undelying wall showing through the painting (armpit, breast) which tells me that the painting indeed has a yellowish color, which must not be changed. --Janke | Talk 16:38, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Version 3 looks fine to me. I'll raise the question about how the original looks like on the Indian noticeboard. Maybe someone's been there. deeptrivia (talk) 18:11, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support third version. This picture, by the way, is one of 10,000 reproductions of public domain paintings donated by Directmedia to the Wikimedia Commons. Janke, if you're having some free time, many other pictures in that category could use some editing. ;-) --Eloquence* 23:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support the original and third version. I haven't been there to say which among the above reflects the current state of the image. By the way, I do not want the second image deleted or unused, but when used, it should clearly state what has been done to the image. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:44, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support third version. Saravask 00:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support 1 or 3. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support third version. svnitbharath
Promoted Image:Indischer_version3.jpg Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 05:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Note: promoted image has been replaced with Image:Amphitheatrum sapientiae aeternae - Alchemist's Laboratory.jpg as exact duplicate - see here. --jjron (talk) 12:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Nominations older than 14 days, the maximum voting period, decision time!
Used in Queenstown, New Zealand, photo taken by Donovan Govan. A breathtaking view.
- Nominate and support. - Ukdan999 16:46, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose because of overexposed sky and mountaintops. Breathtaking location, though! --Janke | Talk 16:59, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Can you try burning the sky? --vaeiou 21:51, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- I tried, but it's not flammable enough. :) LordViD 21:56, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Can you try burning the sky? --vaeiou 21:51, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Sharpness, compression artefacts and overexposure are all serious issues and it would've benefitted the image hugely if a UV or polarizing filter were used. That said, the sheer immensity of the image is such that it's just fun to explore it scrolling around. I'd say it illustrates its subject...well..remarkably. --Deglr6328 08:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- I can't believe no one else likes this. I think its really pretty good. --Deglr6328 03:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. The chief virtues of this image appear to be that it is of an attractive locale and that it is BIG. Not enough, IMO, to overcome the serious problems of compression artifcats and overexposed mountaintops (I can forgive the overexposed sky in a small region, but losing the snowcaps is unacceptable). --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Opppose. Interesting scene photographed pretty unspectacularly. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 18:34, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Unremarkable :-) --Fir0002 www 09:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Not promoted Raven4x4x 06:46, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Used in article Sinkhole. Photo of a large-form sinkhole in a geographically important area for this phenomenon. The photo itself illustrates the size and recreational uses of the sinkhole.
- Nominate and support. - Xlandfair 04:27, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Question Good picture, but do those people want to be wikistars? I know I wouldn't want to be on the front page in my bathing suit (; --Colle||Talk-- 06:56, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Not easy to identify any of the people, and those who can be contacted were in the room when the photo was nominated. (: Dave 08:23, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Great example of a sinkhole, interesting photo without taking focus from the geology. Dave 08:23, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Weak support. Really too fuzzy in full size. Rescale to 50-75% or so? No info would be lost... --Janke | Talk 09:10, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose, not good quality and not particularly stunning... though I'd like to be the guy on the rope. gren グレン 02:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Over exposed and blurry. Also I'm too bothered by the unattractive trash lying around, even if it is encyclopedically relevant in illustrating one effect of human appreciation of natural beauty spots! ~ Veledan • Talk 19:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. I believe it's a photograph of what Florida culture really is, being I live here. I have spent some days at a cold (63*F) spring in Orlando. The picture is filled with such action and life. The unattractive trash is part of that scenery. --x1987x 14:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support.--Asarkees 00:27, 22 February 2006 (UTC). Veledan's statement on unattractive trash is contradictory, and he/she acknowledges that. I live in Florida, and this is an extremely accurate statement on the nature of what was once a pristine limestone karst. The perspective is interesting, the content is exciting, and the statement demands attention.
- Reply to above and below: a Featured picture should be attractive as well as accurate. If the trash round this sinkhole is inescapable, choose a different sinkhole if you want to make an FP ~ Veledan • Talk 22:06, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Good action, trash is part of the setting, just like at the quarries here in Minnesota. -Ravedave 05:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose -- image subject, being the sinkhole itself, is partially missing from the photograph at bottom. - Longhair 16:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Oppose. It's nice enough I suppose, but it's not really FP material. Also, Longhair correctly points out the "missing tail" aspect of the framing for the shot, which is especially inexcusable since there is much "wasted" space near the top of the photo. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:52, 23 February 2006 (UTC)- I wouldn't call that wasted space at all. The sinkhole top of the sinkhole is far above the top of the water. Your "wasted space" is how the depth of the sinkhole is shown. Dave 00:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Fair enough, changing vote to Neutral. It's not wasted space because it does give a sense of scale and of the surroundings, but I'm still not convinced it's FP material. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 16:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- I wouldn't call that wasted space at all. The sinkhole top of the sinkhole is far above the top of the water. Your "wasted space" is how the depth of the sinkhole is shown. Dave 00:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose -- There is a large area that is burned out that is distracting; less people, only one or two jumping, and maybe someone in the water...also need more detail[[[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] 03:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)]]
- Oppose Agree with above--Fir0002 www 09:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Per nom. 13:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Not promoted Raven4x4x 06:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support Agree with Dave.--Chili14(Talk|Contribs) 00:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- Support It is a beautiful picture that accurately depicts a niche of Florida recreation AND nature.--Vox Causa 02:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
It shows how math and art combine to create a commonly recognized symbol. The image appears in Euro and Euro sign. User:Agateller released it to the PD in the Wikimedia Commons.
- Nominate and support. - Hyad 04:24, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Question but what's the angle ACD? Would seem to matter since it occurs five times. - Samsara contrib talk 04:36, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Looks like it's a right angle between A, C, and the dotted line on the right, that's 90 degrees + 100 degrees between A, D, and the line = 130 degrees. -Hyad 04:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- I'm looking for the angle between A and D, centered on C. It looks like it is in the region of 30° but I don't think you can work out what it is from the image. However, it is possibly the most important angle in the design. - Samsara contrib talk 15:35, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. Great diagram, very informative. But... not a FP in my book, sorry. --Janke | Talk 09:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Information. I tried to put more information on the derivation of the image in the summary but it doesn't display. Anyway, the original copyrighted image from the Euro Commission is a very coarse image supplied only as WMF (!) or TIFF and doesn't display or print very well. It also has the pesky problem of being copyrighted. This image is public domain and it follows the graphic guidelines set forth in the official diagram, but it does not illustrate them in exactly the same way and is not a copy of the official diagram. The angle ACD is the angle formed by a line from the center of the symbol to the base of the symbol directly below, and then another line going up from that point to the point where it intersects the symbol again on the upper right inside. I know this is extremely awkward, but that's the only official parameter provided, and if I described it in any other way (by specifying the exact angle ACD, for example) it would stray from the official model and theoretically might not produce the same symbol. Agateller 11:22, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- By trigonometry, I get the angle to be 22.57°. - Samsara contrib talk 15:57, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- |AD| = 5, |AB| = 6
- <DAB = 90 + 40 = 130 (note: not divisible by three)
- |BD| = sqrt(25 + 36 - 60cos130)
- |ACD| = arcsin(5sin130/|BD|) ~ 22.572593°, which is why it is not specified. ed g2s • talk 18:02, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- omgz hilarious, if this isn't exemplary of the unbelievable level of regulatory bureaucracy of the EU what is?--Deglr6328 21:37, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Not really, no. National and corporate symbols and logos almost always have extremely precise geometric definitions. This isn't specific to the EU, nor is it in any way exaggerated regulatory bureaucracy. Nice "try", though. Phils 23:46, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oh good heavens, it slipped my mind there for a moment that we shan't make any humorous observations about any international organizations for fear of offending. oops! back to my doublethink lesson! sigh.--Deglr6328 06:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- You didn't offend me. I actually think the EU is quite the bureaucratic mess indeed, but that diagram certainly isn't a symptom of that, IMO :D. Although I am far from being a blind supporter, I am generally annoyed at the amount of baseless criticism the EU receives from overseas. I'm sorry if I sounded too abrasive; this is not the place for political debates. Phils 15:35, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oh good heavens, it slipped my mind there for a moment that we shan't make any humorous observations about any international organizations for fear of offending. oops! back to my doublethink lesson! sigh.--Deglr6328 06:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support, however (and call me fickle if you want) I'd prefer to see a more colourful version. 86.135.200.146 01:18, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support really cool and crisp. gren グレン 02:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support, extremely informative, I like it. Dylan 20:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Attractive, clean diagram and an indispensible contribution to the part of Euro sign where the tension between the European Commission's specification for the symbol and the interests of type designers is discussed ~ Veledan • Talk 22:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support, although it should probably not ever be a Picture of the Day.--ragesoss 02:36, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose, does the job well, but not particularly stunning. ed g2s • talk 02:54, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. No color? Neutralitytalk 22:19, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Incredibly informative. --Lewk_of_Serthic contrib talk 01:57, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Information I've uploaded a color version of this diagram[3]. It looks much prettier but it is actually harder to read than clear black and white. The black-and-white version still serves the purpose of the article better, IMO. Agateller 04:39, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed, the black and white one is far better. --Lewk_of_Serthic contrib talk 03:06, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Very good and certainly a lot of Wikipedians will likeit =D --Lord Snoeckx 17:33, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Informative, easy to understand, and relevant. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:53, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Suppprt, color schmolor. BrokenSegue 04:45, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Suppport great illustration. chowells 01:16, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment since this was created in Illustrator, can't a SVG be exported instead? --ChrisRuvolo (t) 14:50, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Illustrator 8.x doesn't export to SVG. I can't find a free program to convert from EPS to SVG, either. Additionally, I've never seen any mention of SVG outside of Wikipedia, and so I wonder exactly what purpose it serves (it seems to be like JPEG2, a solution looking for a problem). Major browsers don't appear to support it. While I can see the advantages of a vector-based version of the image, in the absence of a universally supported standard for them, it seems like PNG is the safest bet (and even that is risky, since some browsers won't display PNG, either). Agateller 07:42, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- I have access to Illustrator 10.0 if that helps anything. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- I've had some success converting EPS to SVG using pstoedit. See Image:EEA agency logo.svg for example. SVG is supported by browsers such as Firefox and Opera. It will often produce a more space-efficient image than PNG. And when the articles eventually go to press, SVG will produce the most accurate images for printing, just like EPS would. Also, there is the benefit of many people being able to edit the SVG after you have uploaded it, to correct for problems or create a derivative work. I have recently done that with commons:Image:Flag of New Jersey.svg. There are many benefits to SVG. If you could send the Illustrator file to someone with SVG export, it would be appreciated. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 15:06, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
- BTW, Wikimedia will render SVG to PNG for browsers that don't support SVG. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 15:12, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
- I have access to Illustrator 10.0 if that helps anything. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Illustrator 8.x doesn't export to SVG. I can't find a free program to convert from EPS to SVG, either. Additionally, I've never seen any mention of SVG outside of Wikipedia, and so I wonder exactly what purpose it serves (it seems to be like JPEG2, a solution looking for a problem). Major browsers don't appear to support it. While I can see the advantages of a vector-based version of the image, in the absence of a universally supported standard for them, it seems like PNG is the safest bet (and even that is risky, since some browsers won't display PNG, either). Agateller 07:42, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. In my opinion, it achieves the effect it wants to. I also find it ironic that Neutrality voted against it for lack of color. But I think that the content of the inage makes up for that: a feeling of complexity without even loking at it in depth. Gracenotes T § 17:26, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support A nice picture thats interesting to look at, I believe. 216.37.227.202 16:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Promoted Image:EuroConstLarge.png Raven4x4x 06:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
This image is a stitched panorama of a very difficult to photograph subject. It was done by Diliff (t c). A good photograph of Grand Central Terminal's main concourse was missing from the article for a long time. Given the historic nature and landmark status of the building, this was unfortunate. The GCT main concourse has been the subject of many other photos, but due to the scale of the building and the limited lighting, none has come close to the level of clarity and scale that this image provides.
Take a look at the following list for other attempts at GCT interior photographs. Note how they either only show a portion of the room or are quite dark. None achieve the sense of scale and detail that this image does.
- Image:Grand Central Terminal Inside New York City Long.jpg
- Image:Main Concourse in Grand Central Terminal.jpg
- Image:Grand Central Station1 by bencwright.jpg
- Image:Grand Central Terminal main concourse.jpg
- Image:IMG 1499.JPG
- Nominate and support. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 14:23, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Getting this shot right indeed takes a skilled photographer. This photograph has the "right" amount of brightness/color. Sometimes a longer exposure is needed to get that, however with the many people moving around in the concourse (like during rush hour), the people will likely be blurred in the photograph. Not the case with User:Diliff's photograph. --Aude (talk | contribs) 15:01, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. I was missing such a high-quality caption of Grand Central Terminal in Wikipedia. The level of detail is OK. Mikeo 15:22, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm slightly bothered by the curves caused by the panoramic stitching - I guess the tiles on the floor are in straight lines... (In the recent cathedral picture, the distortion was not so apparent). Is there a rectilinear version, does that have severe distortion of the side walls? --Janke | Talk 17:14, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- The issue with rectilinear panoramas is they only work well when the angle of view is small. When the angle of view is high, the sides are warped dramatically. I'll show you the rectilinear version of it as soon as I stitch one, but I don't think it'll be as pretty. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 18:26, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- OK, done. I still prefer the first image as I don't think curved 'straight' lines are a problem in a panorama such as this, as cylindrical projection allows more of the panorama to be presented in a more managable way. I do understand that it sacrifices architectural accuracy somewhat, but this can't always be helped. You will never be able to create this sort of panorama with architectural accuracy. But if you want to be able to see such a wide angle of view in a meaningful way, I don't know of an alternative. ;) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 19:00, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- I really like the second one better. It looks like a typical super-wideangle shot, distortion and all. Is there any way of non-linearly compressing the left and right sides inward - that would take care of some of the horizontal elongation? (Admitted, it would introduce some distortion to diagonals, but none to horizontals and verticals.) See my
smallnew example,made manually in only three increments, thus imperfect.--Janke | Talk 09:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)- Good attempt but I don't think that method would survive full size scrutiny. :) I'm not aware of a way of automating that... Anyone else? Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 17:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- I just now did it on the full-size image. See Diliff's and my comments below, Feb. 22. --Janke | Talk 19:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Good attempt but I don't think that method would survive full size scrutiny. :) I'm not aware of a way of automating that... Anyone else? Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 17:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- I really like the second one better. It looks like a typical super-wideangle shot, distortion and all. Is there any way of non-linearly compressing the left and right sides inward - that would take care of some of the horizontal elongation? (Admitted, it would introduce some distortion to diagonals, but none to horizontals and verticals.) See my
- OK, done. I still prefer the first image as I don't think curved 'straight' lines are a problem in a panorama such as this, as cylindrical projection allows more of the panorama to be presented in a more managable way. I do understand that it sacrifices architectural accuracy somewhat, but this can't always be helped. You will never be able to create this sort of panorama with architectural accuracy. But if you want to be able to see such a wide angle of view in a meaningful way, I don't know of an alternative. ;) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 19:00, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- The issue with rectilinear panoramas is they only work well when the angle of view is small. When the angle of view is high, the sides are warped dramatically. I'll show you the rectilinear version of it as soon as I stitch one, but I don't think it'll be as pretty. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 18:26, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support, good resolution and level of detail.--vineeth 17:55, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support either one, slight preference for the first one. -- Chris 73 | Talk 20:19, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral - good pic, and I appreciate the effort made and the relative darkness of the location, but the picture is a bit too dim for my liking; could it be brightened just a little bit? Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:12, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- It looks like that inside. --vaeiou 15:37, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - I feel like I'm there. And yes, its the picture is dimly lit, but so is the room. I wouldn't try to make it brighter. --dm (talk) 21:46, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- I've never been there, but I've been to 30th Street Station (Philadelphia), which appears to be similar architecturally, visually, and light-wise - and 30th Street Station is much brighter and more lively than this picture. I think the dimness really weighs this picture down, even if that really is what the setting is like. Ultimately, though, I don't think it's a very eye-catching panorama, and if you're going to sacrifice perspective, I think it should be. Oppose. zafiroblue05 | Talk 02:53, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Impressive picture, but the station seems to be decked out for Christmas. Also, I'm starting to feel there needs to be more featured pictures of things from outside the english speaking world.--Colle||Talk-- 04:21, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't find it that impressive or amazing. chowells 15:41, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support, image with a high quotient of technical difficulty and proficiency, and it is of a significant subject. I like it a lot. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 06:36, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support as per Titoxd --Lewk_of_Serthic contrib talk 02:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support 3rd version: I did a non-linear compression (still manually, but many more increments) of the full-size rectilinear version, which now has less horizontal distortion - it's now ready to vote on. I didn't like the curved walls & floor in the first version. What say you? --Janke | Talk 18:31, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- I say its a great improvement actually. It looks 'right' in terms of a lack of distortion and the lines are satisfactorily straight. :) I can't see any evidence of it being incremental. Its a shame there isn't (as far as we know?) any way of automating that process. I'll ask around on a panoramic photography forum. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 19:57, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support the winning version. Very nicely done. TomStar81 23:46, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. This is a near-perfect representation of the interior of an important site. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Hmmm. - Darwinek 21:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - After the two other versions have been added, I still prefer the original. The third would be acceptable, but I don't like the noticable vertical squishing of the figures. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 17:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support 1st or 3rd version (Jay 00:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC))
Promoted Image:Grand Central test.jpg Raven4x4x 07:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
A challenge was put up on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Detaching drop to have an animation, so I took about 300 pics of my sink and created an 18 pic animation of a falling water drop. Other user suggested me to nominate it, so here it is. I also added it to Drop (liquid), now the images make up more than the text of the article. I reduced the size to 768x1024 and 8MB, as the full size would be around 50MB. The time interval between the pictures is calculated to match the distance to the faucet under the assumption of a free-fall, ignoring surface tension (forgive me for not calculating these ;)
- Update: Gmaxwell offered to redo the image using a specialized software tool and added a small preview to this nomination. I just sent Gmaxwell 12MB of images to work with, and am looking forward for the results! I would like to request an extension of the voting period to wait for and judge the new version from Gmaxwell.-- Chris 73 | Talk 13:56, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Self-Nominate and
support. - Chris 73 | Talk 11:18, 12 February 2006 (UTC)- Support clearly superior corrected Version by Gmaxwell. -- Chris 73 | Talk 09:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support: I think it is fantastic. Nice job. Meniscus 12:53, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- I would like to direct my support vote to the new version. Meniscus 06:35, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Now that's a great animation. - Mgm|(talk) 13:07, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Nice job. Mikeo 13:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support --Dschwen 13:45, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I don't like the way exposure seems to differ between frames, as does the position of the tap and tiles. chowells 14:51, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Opppose nice try, but I find the varying exposure and moving of the tap incredibly annoying to watch. chowells 18:55, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose - it's a good pic/animation, but the shadows behind it are too distracting. Is there any way to make sure that the light is constant? Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 15:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- I asked someone about this before, and they said that the camera's exposure time and aperture need to be fixed between images. Better digital cameras will let you manually set these options, or choose an "auto exposure lock", although my digital camera doesn't. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-12 16:42
- I believe it was taken with a flash. Even with aperture/exposure length lock, the flash is difficult to control, as it is evaluatively metering and firing a burst of light that it deems is appropriate. Each shot would be slightly different in terms of flash output. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 22:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Still oppose. The newer gif image is too small, and the ogg file can't be displayed on most computers without downloading ogg vorbis. Can't the gif be enhanced? Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:23, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- How big should it be? I sized it to work well on the article at a number of display resolutions, but it was just a guess... if you have a concrete suggestion please provide it... It would be trivial for me to resize it (or you can do it, the theora version is suitable for resizing). Currently at 60Kb in size I would be highly hesitant to inline anything much larger, and frankly would oppose anything too much larger due to considerations for users with slow connections. The old image when resized by mediawiki to the same physical dimensions was over 400K. Animated GIF is a highly unoptimal format for 'video' like content, leading to huge file sizes and poor quality... Although it is what we have for inline content today, so we have to live with its limitations. As far as the video (Which is not vorbis, vorbis is an audio codec)... it would be foolish to provide the high quality version in animated gif because animated gif is never high quality due to the 256 color limitation. Ogg/Theora is the video codec used by Wikipedia, and is what we use for all videos. Like many other video codecs it doesn't ship with Windows, so many users will need to install it although we're working on adding a java player for Vorbis and Theora to mediawiki. Because Theora is our official codec, I'm going to go ahead and be so bold and advise you that you simply can not oppose media for featured status because of the use of Theora. --Gmaxwell 04:32, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Another datapoint, if I allow mediawiki to thumb the new image to 10px less wide, the rendered file not only looks like crap (with dancing dithering), but is about 260K. Mediawiki scaling simply isn't acceptable for many animated gifs. --Gmaxwell 04:36, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe we could upload two gifs besides the Ogg, one as large as the common allows (up to 30MB), and a smaller version for display? Also, resizing my original version worked very well (see [4]), but GMaxwells version has display errors. Not sure how Gmaxwells .gif can be changed so Wikipedia resizes it correctly. -- Chris 73 | Talk 10:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Your version resized is about 406k, mine is 60k. 406k is unacceptable for an inline image. The reason mediawiki barfs on resizing mine is because I'm not updating the complete image in each version, only the parts that change. If I disable this (i.e. unoptimize-gif under filter->animate in gimp) so that it doesn't get mangled on resize the result is 399k, unacceptable for an inline image. Furthermore MediaWiki resizing makes the video look like crud because it uses a per-frame randomized dither. Just say no to MediaWiki based resizing of animated gifs. :) As far as a large gif, I will not upload a 30MB gif when I've uploaded higher quality Theora file which is under 100k. Gif makes perfect sense for an inline image, but it makes no sense for the high quality version because it's both huge and looks like crud. --Gmaxwell 22:38, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, point taken. You surely do know more about gifs and images than me. Did we ever have a featured ogg? -- Chris 73 | Talk 23:32, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Your version resized is about 406k, mine is 60k. 406k is unacceptable for an inline image. The reason mediawiki barfs on resizing mine is because I'm not updating the complete image in each version, only the parts that change. If I disable this (i.e. unoptimize-gif under filter->animate in gimp) so that it doesn't get mangled on resize the result is 399k, unacceptable for an inline image. Furthermore MediaWiki resizing makes the video look like crud because it uses a per-frame randomized dither. Just say no to MediaWiki based resizing of animated gifs. :) As far as a large gif, I will not upload a 30MB gif when I've uploaded higher quality Theora file which is under 100k. Gif makes perfect sense for an inline image, but it makes no sense for the high quality version because it's both huge and looks like crud. --Gmaxwell 22:38, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe we could upload two gifs besides the Ogg, one as large as the common allows (up to 30MB), and a smaller version for display? Also, resizing my original version worked very well (see [4]), but GMaxwells version has display errors. Not sure how Gmaxwells .gif can be changed so Wikipedia resizes it correctly. -- Chris 73 | Talk 10:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Still oppose. The newer gif image is too small, and the ogg file can't be displayed on most computers without downloading ogg vorbis. Can't the gif be enhanced? Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:23, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- I believe it was taken with a flash. Even with aperture/exposure length lock, the flash is difficult to control, as it is evaluatively metering and firing a burst of light that it deems is appropriate. Each shot would be slightly different in terms of flash output. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 22:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- I asked someone about this before, and they said that the camera's exposure time and aperture need to be fixed between images. Better digital cameras will let you manually set these options, or choose an "auto exposure lock", although my digital camera doesn't. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-02-12 16:42
Opposealthough I would change my vote if the tap and tiles could be steadied and the background colour could be fixed. Maybe choose one of the backgrounds for all the frames? The water drop looks good!~ Veledan • Talk 18:09, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support (GMaxwell's edit) ~ Veledan • Talk 13:26, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose because of variable exposure and disturbing background. --CutterX 18:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Seems jerky, and the most interesting part of falling water (the shape that rises up as the drop hits a water surface) is not seen. The varying exposures don't worry me at all - Adrian Pingstone 19:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Very cool.--Lewk_of_Serthic 19:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Uneven lighting and animation. ~MDD4696 21:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. I think it is featured quality regardless of its imperfections. I know there should be basic requirements that need to be satisfied for all pictures, but I do think the difficulty and the uniqueness of pictures should hold some weight. Then again, if it fails, there is the incentive to go back and re-shoot it again. I know it took 300 frames to get right and the author may not want to do it all over again, but hey, the quest for perfection was never meant to be easy. ;) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 22:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Pretty cool animations, but I'd like a higher res version --Fir0002 00:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
- The full 2592x1944 animation was 50MB, and the commons has an upload limit of 30 MB, hence I reduced the size to 768x1024 with a manageable 8MB. The image displayed on the image page is already reduced in size, click on the image to see full size. -- Chris 73 | Talk 06:42, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
- I have a feeling that you'd be able to use the higher res version if you converted it into ogg instead of using an animated gif, although people would start opposing for that instead... enochlau (talk) 03:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- The full 2592x1944 animation was 50MB, and the commons has an upload limit of 30 MB, hence I reduced the size to 768x1024 with a manageable 8MB. The image displayed on the image page is already reduced in size, click on the image to see full size. -- Chris 73 | Talk 06:42, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Oppose. Agree with MDD. - JPM | 03:09, 13 February 2006 (UTC)- Support the edited version. - JPM | 04:41, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment Can the variable exposures be manually corrected with some kind of Photoshop action? Surely there must be a Photoshop guru out there. –Joke 02:27, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I've offered to correct the exposure and motion but have not heard back yet. I already have the video processing toolchain for this sort of thing setup. --Gmaxwell 03:29, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay. I tried to adjust the exposure manually using Gimp, but currently I am away from my main computer, and have no access to my photos. I also adjusted the position, trying to match the faucet position between the images. I'll fiddle around more on the weekend -- Chris 73 | Talk 07:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- What software do you use to correct the exposure between frames? I'm interested because I've done some time-lapse photography myself and needed to use evaluative metering rather than locked metering, so occasionally the camera chooses the 'wrong' exposure for a frame or two which results in a similar thing. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 18:31, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- I used The Gimp for creating the whole animation, including adjusting the exact position, brightness (i.e. "Exposure"), resizing etc. Not sure what Gmaxwell uses for his video files. -- Chris 73 | Talk 18:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- Using the gimp will lead to uneven correction because the image colorspace is nonlinear. I answered Diliff's questions to me on my talk page since he wrote to me there...--Gmaxwell 03:01, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I've offered to correct the exposure and motion but have not heard back yet. I already have the video processing toolchain for this sort of thing setup. --Gmaxwell 03:29, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Support new version.See my comment below below, 19 Feb. Considering that this is shot with a standard digital camera, the result is great. Not many wikipedians have access to equipment like Harold Edgerton ("Papa Flash") had... I wonder if the strange flutter in the exposure (as opposed to a plain change in exposure) is due to different paths of the flash discharge inside the xenon-filled tube? --Janke | Talk 07:34, 14 February 2006 (UTC)- Support Briseis 13:51, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Oppose - Un-even lighting. I also think it's too big; expecially for those people who don't have broadband and are on dial-up. KILO-LIMA 14:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)- Resize it. The pic on this page is much smaller than the original, and the copy on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Detaching drop is even smaller, so there is no problem for low-bandwith users unless they want the full size. -- Chris 73 | Talk 14:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Gladly change my vote note. Supprot new version. Well done! KILO-LIMA 15:50, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Kessa Ligerro 07:49, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Oppose. Yes, I think we can make this better before we give it FP status. - Samsara contrib talk 12:01, 15 February 2006 (UTC)- Support. Very nice animation -- Ian ≡ talk 03:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Support Calderwood 07:48, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
- New version. It hurt me to see this potentially wonderful work being featured while it retained so many obvious and correctable technical flaws. I asked Chris 73 for the originals so I could correct the image, but he didn't seem interested in working with me. Normally I oppose making subjective changes to images which original author opposes, so I hope Chris 73 will support my version... but I feel that the changes I made were technical rather than artistic and that my modified version is objectively better. I have scaled the image to display size because the mediawiki rescaling for animated GIFs is far from optimal, I will also provide a full resolution version in a few minutes and update the entry with a link. This version is 60k when inserted into the page, which is a major improvement over the dialup crushing 400k of the version at the top. I must apologize for the some what poor quality of the full resolution version: I only had the large animated GIF to work with, and the dithering noise is non-linear and thus hard to suppress. I'd also like to ask that this vote be extended a bit to allow people to consider the new version.--Gmaxwell 22:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
- Wow, that's so much better. I'd support that version. Shame it's not a tad bigger. chowells 22:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
- Wish granted, see the link under the image. I *could* do an animated GIF of the higher res version, but the limitation of 256 colors really makes it look like crud. It would still look better had I started from the orignals rather than fighting against the dataloss in the animated gif. --Gmaxwell 23:32, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
- Wow, that's so much better. I'd support that version. Shame it's not a tad bigger. chowells 22:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support new version. - Samsara contrib talk 23:48, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
- supportGmaxwell's version Borisblue 04:06, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Neat, but not all that interesting. I find it creepy. Therefore, it would be more in line for chinese water torture, or water wastage articles. Drip Drip --Colle||Talk-- 04:11, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- And... I can't stop watching it. --Colle||Talk-- 04:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- I think it's creepy too, and that why I thought it would be worth my time. It's a striking illustration. :) --Gmaxwell 22:38, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- And... I can't stop watching it. --Colle||Talk-- 04:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support new version. Very cool. WP 09:11, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment the playback speed of this animation (either version) is physically inaccurate. I noticed this when creating my own preliminary attempt. The drop spends much more time hanging on the faucet and slowly detatching. While still attached to the faucet, surface tension counters the gravitational pull, therefore acceleration is much smaller. For a FP I'd expect it to be correct. --Dschwen 12:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Dschwen's objections are correct. As a consequence of this consideration I change my vote into oppose Calderwood 14:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Indeed, I never noticed that, was so enthralled with the other improvements. Great observation, Dschwen! I struck out my support vote until this is fixed, then I'll support again. --Janke | Talk 15:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Well, it's easy enough to adjust the timing. For lack of better information I just made the update match the orignal. Dschwen, how do you know your video is more accurate? It looks like it was recorded with the same multiple phase approach that distroys find timing informaiton. --Gmaxwell 19:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- No, it actually doesn't distroy timing information. I used every picture for my animation, just reordering them. Now simple statistics tells me that in this case the timing mut be correct. When the drop is moving slow at a certain position the probability of capturing it in a frame is higher then when it is moving fast. So more frames of slow moving drops are captured and in the resulting animation the drop moves slower. :-) --Dschwen 20:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Does that mean the triggering of the shots were timed totally randomly? If not, then the photographer's choice of triggering the shutter surely destroys any statistic methods of determining the right timing... --Janke | Talk 09:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- As for my set, I switched to series mode and pressed the button for a few minutes or so, creating about a pic per second. The drop is just too fast for any good timing (the reality being faster than this animation) -- Chris 73 | Talk 09:57, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- I semi randomly shot pictures whenever the cam was ready, wit additional random pauses. I had a drop frequency of abt. 5/sec so I'm pretty confident in my sampling being random enough. --Dschwen 11:18, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Does that mean the triggering of the shots were timed totally randomly? If not, then the photographer's choice of triggering the shutter surely destroys any statistic methods of determining the right timing... --Janke | Talk 09:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- No, it actually doesn't distroy timing information. I used every picture for my animation, just reordering them. Now simple statistics tells me that in this case the timing mut be correct. When the drop is moving slow at a certain position the probability of capturing it in a frame is higher then when it is moving fast. So more frames of slow moving drops are captured and in the resulting animation the drop moves slower. :-) --Dschwen 20:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Well, it's easy enough to adjust the timing. For lack of better information I just made the update match the orignal. Dschwen, how do you know your video is more accurate? It looks like it was recorded with the same multiple phase approach that distroys find timing informaiton. --Gmaxwell 19:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- I'm amused... Getting the timing of this obviously enough right is enough of a challenge that we're unable to gauge the methods any multiple phase method will be disregarded as physically inaccurate but if I recorded this with a 200fps video camera it would be rejected as too low resolution. The featured picture process is a waste of time. --Gmaxwell 14:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- On the contrary. I really like the new constructive spin on FP (like with the carbon diagrams lately). Why the sudden frustration? The phase approach is the most promising. I believe I've got the timing right in my animation, but it is low quality since my drops were starting from slightly different positions, so it looks jerkey. Basically we'd have to take not 18 selected frames from the original pictureset, but all of them. That would preserve timing. This is totally worth a try. --Dschwen 14:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- I am also very optimistic. I think this process - and the great work of GMaxwell - will produce a better animation than what any of us could do alone. About using the full set of pictures: I have about 100 usable pics (or 50 MB of data). I removed some because of unsightly drops (i.e. just two drops following the big one instead of three). However, out of the 100 pics about 40% are very similiar with only a small bulge at the faucet and no visible drop. I would much rather favour a nicely distributed set of pictures with the drop at roughly equally spaced positions, and adjust the display time so it feels right. I am definitely looking forward for seeing GMaxwells work. Don't let us hanging (pun intended ;) -- Chris 73 | Talk 15:22, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- On the contrary. I really like the new constructive spin on FP (like with the carbon diagrams lately). Why the sudden frustration? The phase approach is the most promising. I believe I've got the timing right in my animation, but it is low quality since my drops were starting from slightly different positions, so it looks jerkey. Basically we'd have to take not 18 selected frames from the original pictureset, but all of them. That would preserve timing. This is totally worth a try. --Dschwen 14:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Indeed, I never noticed that, was so enthralled with the other improvements. Great observation, Dschwen! I struck out my support vote until this is fixed, then I'll support again. --Janke | Talk 15:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Dschwen's objections are correct. As a consequence of this consideration I change my vote into oppose Calderwood 14:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support GMaxwell's version is cool. KI 22:50, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support The gmaxwell version. pschemp | talk 07:40, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support Gmaxwell's version, wish the animation was a tad smoother, but it is good for a fine example of work. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 15:13, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support corrected version. –Joke 23:46, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- I can't believe I just sat here and watched water dripping out of a spigot for more than a minute. What is wrong with me? Support Gmaxwell's. --LV (Dark Mark) 17:23, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support new version, good stuff. - Eagleamn 07:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support new version. - Mailer Diablo 10:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support new version (Jay 00:58, 28 February 2006 (UTC))
- Support new version. --James 01:01, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support new version. Gracenotes T § 17:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Promoted Image:Water_drop_animation_enhanced_small.gif Raven4x4x 07:04, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
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A December 2004 nominee that is no longer up to scratch. It is small in size by today's standards and it was acknowledged at its nomination that it was unfocused due to lack of tripod. Could the first person to agree with my assessment leave the contributor a quick message (User_talk:Fir0002) to ask about the possibility of improving the uploaded version? Thanks. - Samsara contrib talk 17:45, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- I think this is good/sharp/large enough to keep, even though it probably wouldn't be chosen as an FP today. IMHO, we cannot adopt the strict standards of today to all old FPs. Also, it's by far the best of all the images on Wolf spider. --Janke | Talk 07:51, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Why not? It is not like the technology for photography was drastically different a year and two months ago. A featured picture is meant to exhibit the best images Wikipedia has to offer. If an image does not do that, then it simply should not be a featured picture. I like this photo, and hope that Fir can sharpen it somewhat, otherwise I vote to delist. --liquidGhoul 08:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- "Why not?" Well, should we delist everything less than 1000 px wide, which appears to be the minimum today? Also, as pointed out elsewhere, it's not only image quality that determines FP, but also "adds significantly to an article". I simply think this spider does... but, if Fir can improve the resolution, all the better! --Janke | Talk 08:48, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Where have I said that it was about resolution. The problem I have with it is the motion blur. Also, it states in the featured picture critera, that a featured picture "exemplifies Wikipedia's best work", and should be: "useful, accurate and pleasing to the eye". Yes, this picture is useful to the article, but it is not completely accurate, as some features are blurred, and it is not pleasing to my eye because of the motion blur. You can see Wikipedia's best work in featured pictures which don't have obvious technical flaws. --liquidGhoul 00:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. I agree precisely with Janke.--ragesoss 01:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep the spectacularaspects of this picture by far outhweight any other factors. To quote fir0002:I didn't have the benefit of a tripod as I was a considerable distance from home, and did not want to risk losing the oppurtunity. Also, due to the fact that my camera saves to jpeg format and is a little overzealous in compressing the image, the crop of the original photo shows jpeg compression. Circeus 01:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per Janke.–Joke 01:20, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per Circeus. enochlau (talk) 14:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Additional comment on FP talk page. --Janke | Talk 08:01, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delist for reasons given in nomination. - Samsara contrib talk 10:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per Janke. CapeCodEph 21:25, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep best picture on the article and we can't delist every article that isn't 100px by 1000px just because size recommendations for current FP's change. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 23:05, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep I think it'll be a while before this photo is beaten. ~ Veledan • Talk 18:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Per Janke and others DaGizzaChat © 08:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC)