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Reptile classification

Just a quick note on some of your recent edits - after much discussion on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Amphibians_and_Reptiles, we settled on several standard sources (mostly ITIS) in order to allow stability. Until there's some level of 'official' change, we try to maintain taxa in accordance with that database. Cheers! Mokele (talk) 21:33, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi, sorry to bug you again, but I just noticed you're in biomechanics, as I am (though you're much farther along in your career than I am). I started WikiProject_Organismal_Biomechanics, which includes some topics applicable to humans (such as biarticular muscles, gait, force plates, muscle contraction, etc.) So far it's slow going, because so many of the articles are in poor shape. We've got a to-do list on the main page, and I figured you might be interested. Cheers, Mokele (talk) 02:00, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Squirrels

Just happened to spot your query and thought it might help to chip in. Having seen them both in their heartlands where the two do not overlap, it seems easy but there are recent observations that suggest that they overlap in some area and here they are said to be a bit tough to separate by the number of stripes (as their older names would suggest) but the calls appear to be quite distinctive, the northern (aka five-striped) has a chipping call while the three-striped (southern) is distinctly squeaky. The geographic distribution is a clue within the ranges although some recent surprise sightings from outside the range have been noted. Location would help a lot. Shyamal (talk) 04:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Shyamal. DGER is asking about this img particularly, which I have requested for renaming as Northern Palm Squirrel. It was previously on the Indian Palm Squirrel article. In this case, your squirrels shot in Agra, Delhi is almost undoubtedly the Northern one. The Three-striped Palm Squirrel (Indian Palm Squirrel) is endemic to South India and Sri Lanka. The IUCN entry for the Northern Palm Squirrel mentions the fact that the southern limits of this squirrel are a bit hazy, and there seems to be more and more overlapping areas found. But, the northern limits of the Indian Palm Squirrel are quite clearly the central indian hills and your squirrels are photographed far norther than that. Hope this helps. prashanthns (talk) 05:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok. They certainly seem like northerners! A rather large congregation too! Shyamal (talk) 11:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Birds August newsletter

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Taxonomy changes

Hello Dger. If you want to revise taxonomies on Wikipedia, as you did for the Polygonia genus, there are two things you need to do before you change the text. First of all, you should seek consensus for the changes at the appropriate WikiProject, in this case, Wikipedia:WikiProject Lepidoptera. Once you have gotten consensus for the changes, you need to get the articles moved to the proper names before updating the article text. Otherwise the text of the articles doesn't match the article titles, and it just becomes a confusing mess. Kaldari (talk) 16:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice on changing names in the Polygonia genus. I am still learning how to work within Wikipedia. I have found that there is a great deal of confusion concerning naming, both common and taxonomic, so there may not be a 100% agreement among users. I will post a note to see if we should use the term Nymphalis or Polygonia for the members of this subgenus.

How long should one wait before reaching a consensus? What if a consensus isn't reached? What if there are no responses to the discussion? I have had very little experience with the discussion pages.

Cheers. Dger (talk) 20:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

You'll definitely get a response. Usually, the problem is too many opinions rather than too few :) Usually the way it works is after a proposal is made on a project page, people will discuss it for a few days and then the discussion will die out. Once the discussion is over, it's usually apparent what the consensus is. If no consensus is reached, no changes are made to the articles. Hope that makes sense. Let me know if you need any further assistance. BTW, oftentimes individual projects will have specific taxonomic references that they use as standards. For example, WikiProject Mammals uses Mammal Species of the World, Third Edition. For WikiProject Lepidoptera, LepIndex is considered the authoritative source for taxonomy. According to LepIndex, Polygonia is a genus rank rather then subgenus.[1] Kaldari (talk) 21:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

You may prefer to discuss taxonomic changes henceforth. Funet's useful but has gaps of info. LepIndex is outdated in many cases! We really have to depend upon a mish-mash, so I suggest we be rather conservative and stick to accepted names except where taxonomic revision has been done recently which is widely accepted. AshLin (talk) 06:13, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Dashes, the SI and unit conversion

Hi Dger,

I know you are a relatively new user, but can I just point out a few types of edits that you have made which I think aren't inline with the Manual of Style. You have made some edits to number ranges (eg Eastern Blue-tongued Lizard) where you have used two consecutive dashes—30--60 cm. The wp:dash plainly says no to this construct (Wikipedia:MOSDASH#Other_dashes). It suggests an en dash instead or the word 'to'.

Also try to exercise care when converting unit of measurement, such as at American Black Bear. The use of references and the {{convert}} template can help to minimise such errors. The sad thing is that nobody noticed or cared that such a large error had been introduced to what is, one would assume, a relatively popular article. I am sure the mother bear would have noticed giving birth to cub ten times normal weight!

Do you have a reference for BIPM stipulating the symbols used for mass (and others) in formulae such as at Moment of inertia?

Thanks for all your input to many articles so far. Bleakcomb (talk) 02:32, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

For a casual exchange on user talk pages, just creating a top level heading and then placing your responses below is sufficient. No need to copy the other users responses. Between two users they can usually follow the thread split between two user pages. If it becomes more complicated, the exchange probably shouldn't be on user talk pages. Some users use {{talkback}} templates, though I haven't ventured there yet.

My comment about the symbols used was the edit summary that you left for the edits. The summary mentions SI. I thought that BIPM only spoke on units of measurement, their names and symbols; not about the values and their symbols if you understand what I mean. 'm' maybe the correct abbreviation for mass, but I wasn't aware that the BIPM told us that.

When you say the {{convert}} template gives incorrect spelling of units are you referring to American spellings or something else? Errors we can usually fix. Bleakcomb (talk) 05:00, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Amphibians and Reptiles needs you!

Ahoy there! We're conducting our annual purge of the participants list for WikiProject Amphibians and Reptiles, in an effort to make sure our members stay current with events at the WikiProject. If you would like to renew your participation with the WikiProject, simply drop by the participants list and re-add your name to the list in alphabetical order using the following format: {{user|YOUR USERNAME HERE}}. Also feel free to add your specialties or points of interest. If you don't have the time or don't feel like rejoining, then ignore this request; you can rejoin at any time you'd like. Cheers, bibliomaniac15 00:11, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Ctenosaura similis

Very nice photo, I recently lost a large male C. similis I've had as a pet for a long time...he was 30 years old, interesting lizards!--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 03:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Green Darner / Anax junius

I think your two images "Anax junius.." are misidentified. Please do not replace taxobox images of documented specimens unless a higher quality image is available. Nickrz (talk) 05:01, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

You are right about the images. BTW, I was under the assumption your image was being deleted. I notice that the renewed image is again markered for quick deletion because of copyright problems. Have a look yourself. DGERobertson (talk) 04:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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sand martin

Thanks for you helpful edits to bird articles which I've been picking up from my watchlist.

However I've removed Bank Swallow from the Sand Martin taxobox. It's bird project policy to have only one name in the taxobox, with alternatives given in the lead sentence, and redirects from the other versions. Even if that were not the case, it's a bit selective to add the US name but not the Indian name, and having three names (more for some other species) in the taxobox would be getting a bit congested.

If you are not happy with the above, can you raise it at the bird project page since I'll be away for a while and won't be responding to my talk page, many thanks, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:06, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

refs

Check out the changes I made to your edits on Chacma Baboon and Yellow-spotted Rock Hyrax. Cheers! - UtherSRG (talk) 02:14, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Ottawa population

Hi Dger, just letting you know that this edit you made to Ottawa has been reverted. There was a pretty major discussion on the talk page (Talk:Ottawa#Population 2) and on the Canadian Wikipedians' notice board (Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 12#Calgary/Ottawa population updates) on how to present city populations, stemming from a dispute over whether Calgary is bigger than Ottawa. The result was that the intro should always list census data, as it is considered to be most accurate, as well as statscan estimates if available. If you disagree with this, feel free to bring it up on the talk page, but the discussions made it pretty clear that including both is most effective. Cheers, -M.Nelson (talk) 05:16, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

South African Butterflies

Hello there Dger! Since you are just about the only person actively working on butterfly articles, I like to ask you if you would be interested in making some species articles. I recently found a digital version of "Field Guide to Butterflies of South Africa" and I am systematically working through the species and am also including the info from funet as well as making missing genera pages. I'm now at Pseudonympha gaika, but since there are about 660 species in South Africa according to the Field Guide, this is going to take a long time. If you are intersted in helping out, I can upload the Guide and send you the link. Cheers and greetings from the Netherlands! Ruigeroeland (talk) 14:21, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Great you want to help out! I started at the beginning and are now on page 70. I think it would be easiest if I complete the Satyrinae species first, since I did a large portion of them already. I was thinking about doing the Hesperiidae next, but if you prefer doing these that would be fine with me.. Anyway: I dont know with (sub)family you are most interested in, please just choose whichever you want..! Nice to see you also have some pictures! We dont have that many pictures from African species it seems. Cheers! Ruigeroeland (talk) 07:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I found some photo's of unidentified species on Flickr too. Would you be capable of identifying them or would you know someone who would? See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dkeats/ Ruigeroeland (talk) 18:16, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I will give it a try. DGERobertson (talk) 17:28, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

The licence this flickr user uses is ok for wikimedia commons, so we can upload them! Yeah, I had that warning from CorenBot too sometimes.. Don't worry about it.. There is no copyright on a list of names, just remove the message..! Great work on the genus page by the way, looks great! CheersRuigeroeland (talk) 21:57, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Ruigeroeland (talk) 08:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

If you could add the flighttimes

Could you do me a favour? I am missing page 382 and 383 in my digital copy. Would you be willing to add the species or missing info that is on that page? I think the species I am missing are Metisella aegipan, Metisella malgacha and Metisella metis, or are there more on those pages? Ruigeroeland (talk) 14:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I looked at the pages and they do contain only the three species that you mentioned. I also noticed you already created the pages for these species. What additional information do you want added? DGERobertson (talk) 15:19, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

If you could add the finer distribution of the subspecies, the flight times and food plants if they are not added yet. See Spialia agylla for the info I add to subspecies if I can find it. Thanks in advance! Ruigeroeland (talk) 15:36, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Done DGERobertson (talk) 23:36, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, seems I'm missing some more pages. I made stubby articles with the info I could find online, but was not much. Could you add info to the following species too? Spialia paula, Spialia mafa, Spialia confusa, Spialia colotes, Platylesches picanini and Platylesches tina. Sorry about this, I thought I had the whole book! Anyway, I'm also working on a list of species from SA. I have it on a sandbox page for now. I will let you know when it is done..! Ruigeroeland (talk) 11:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Will do. I did one already. I may finish the others shortly but I am leaving for 2 weeks of holidays. I will try to get some butterfly and bird pictures from a wilderness area in northern Newfoundland. DGERobertson (talk) 15:37, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Have a good holiday! And happy photographing. It seems our work on SA butterflies has been noticed, User:Michaelwild is also helping out now with some great pictures and a great article. Ruigeroeland (talk) 16:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

They are done. DGERobertson (talk) 00:01, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Just to let you know: Hesperiidae are done, I'm moving on to the Heliconiinae next. Cheers! Ruigeroeland (talk) 10:29, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, and the country list is also done. See: List of butterflies of South Africa. It is still a basic list with only the species, but it's a start. Ruigeroeland (talk) 14:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

You inspired me. I finally did the List of butterflies of Canada. DGERobertson (talk) 02:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Great work! I added categories and linked to the list with moths of Canada I made some time ago (which is not finished by the way, I have no good sources for some of the families, especially the micromoths, so if you would know a good source that would be great) Ruigeroeland (talk) 08:16, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I noticed you made a truck load of species today. Nice! I was wondering if you could handle page 244 and 250 of the field guide as well, because I am missing these. Cheers Ruigeroeland (talk) 11:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Will do. DGERobertson (talk) 14:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Done. Eriksson's Copper was already done. The term Erikssonia needs a disambiguation page as the name also refers to a fungus genus. DGERobertson (talk) 21:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Will look at the disambigution later. Would you mind doing another page I'm missing? Its page 288. Should contain: Lepidochrysops balli, Lepidochrysops littoralis and Lepidochrysops poseidon? They already have a page, but require expansion with the regular info. Seems we are almost done! Just a question: if I'm done with the Lycanids, which should I do next? I noticed you are working on both the Nymphalids and Whites. Furthermore, would you like me to help you add species for your List of Canadian Butterflies after we finish with South Africa? Would be a nice next project perhaps? Ruigeroeland (talk) 15:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I did the page. I was not being systematic with my edits. I was just picking genera that I had an interest in. There may be more that need to be done.

Sure it would be valuable to do up all the Canadian butterflies. There is an on-line site with relatively recent authoritative information. I have the paper version of the book too. I may be going on holidays again in northern Ontario. I hope to get a few butterfly pictures while there. It is amazing to find butterflies whose underwings match the bark of trees. They virtually disappear when their wings fold together. DGERobertson (talk) 01:01, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Lycaena hyllus

Hello there, welcome back! Hope you enjoyed your holiday. I noticed you created the page Lycaena hyllus, but the description seems to be about Lycaena phlaeas, a species that already has a page.. Maybe they are synonyms, but would you mind having a look? Ruigeroeland (talk) 17:13, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. I think what happened was that I overwrote a new article with an older one. It has been fixed. By the way I found a Flickr group that specializes in wild African butterflies. It is at: http://www.flickr.com/groups/africanbutterflies/ DGERobertson (talk) 21:22, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Great work and a great find. Will have a look in this Flickr group if there are images we can use..! Cheers Ruigeroeland (talk) 10:01, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Colotis stubs

Hello, and thanks a lot for creating the Colotis stubs. I've found though that Commons doesn't have any entries for some of the species you posted, nor does Wikispecies, so you may want to be careful with adding those templates. What does sometimes work though for scientific names on Commons is to use {{commonscat}} rather for categories, but you may want to check that separately for each article. Keep up the good work, De728631 (talk) 18:20, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I will look into that. What is the difference between {{commons}} and {{commonscat}}? DGERobertson (talk) 18:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

{{commonscat}} opens the category associated with the name while {{commons}} only searches the commons database for the name, which requires the linked name to appear in either the name or the description of a file. And that's not always the case, so commons might come up with no result while there is in fact a category of the same name with some images. De728631 (talk) 18:31, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I will try it if commons has nothing. DGERobertson (talk) 18:35, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Dger:sandbox

Just a heads up, I placed a {{db-g6}} tag on Dger:sandbox since it seems you have corrected your own error. Cheers! —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:31, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Butterflies of South Africa

Great work! I have been somewhat busy the past week and will be this week and the next, but will pick up the pace after that. I see you already started the Canadian species. I will start with the Skippers. Cheers and you deserve this as much as I do, so:

		The Wikiproject Lepidoptera Barnstar
		For all your work on adding species from the List of butterflies of South Africa and many other contrbutions to Project Wikiproject Lepidoptera. Ruigeroeland (talk) 10:50, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Sympetrum costiferum

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Your recent edits

Hello Dger. I saw that you made several edits saying that this file is a Saffron-winged Meadowhawk. For one thing, it isn't. It isn't so easy to identify it with a picture but I saw it from all sides and it is a Cherry-faced Meadowhawk. Also, it has just gotten a valued image promotion under Cherry-faced Meadowhawk. So in the future, please ask me before you start changing categories of my images and their descriptions. Best, --The High Fin Sperm Whale 16:36, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Your image is awesome but there are a number of field marks that indicate it is a not a Cherry-faced Meadowhawk. According to my sources (see en:Sympetrum_internum#References) the legs must be black. Your image has striped legs that are indicative of the Saffron-winged Meadowhawk. Another difference is the lack of black triangular markings along the abdomen. Again this is indicative of the Saffron-winged Meadowhawk. Check out the sources listed above or the pictures under the "External links". Cheers. DGERobertson (talk) 14:46, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

The legs don't seem striped to me. However, if you are right, then that means my image has been promoted to valued image in the wrong scope! Thanks for the help, --The High Fin Sperm Whale 17:35, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

The striping is supposed to be lengthwise. The main point is that they are not all black, etc. It is possible that a mistake has been made in your nomination. It is recognized that it is nearly impossible to distinguish some meadowhawks in the field. DGERobertson (talk) 18:47, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Painted turtle

Hello friend, I was wondering if you would be interested in collaborating on the Painted turtle article with me over the course of the next couple of weeks/months?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 02:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

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Ditto. Regards.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 03:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Ditto again.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 01:53, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Question?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 22:02, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Possible Resource

Hello Dger, do you know how to access the painted turtle related content from this source. If we can view all of what it says about painted turtles the article will write itself (I've used the same source for two other turtle articles, its very precise and has a lot to offer).--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 00:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Not in my library. I checked it out online and it is fairly expensive. DGERobertson (talk) 21:18, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay...standby.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 00:42, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk page

Many questions raised on the talk page...--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 17:41, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

User:NYMFan69-86/Sandbox. Started rewriting reproduction section here with some of the new sources...may be a good place to begin.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 18:25, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I found a pretty strange yet effective way to view the pages from the Ernst and Lovich "Turtles of the U.S. and Canada" source...I just need your e-mail so that I can forward you the 50+ screenshots!!!!--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 02:31, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Copy-editing

Due to the Ernst source, expansion of the Reproduction section is going smoothly. It may need another pair of eyes for things like flow, grammar, etc.  :-) NYMFan69-86 (talk) 01:32, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

I did do some editing yesterday. Will review latest changes too. DGERobertson (talk) 17:04, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

The section looks good, still some construction to be done...images to be found/rearranged/words to be w-linked.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 15:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Image of Western painted turtle

The image of this subspecies has been removed from wikicommons...do you know of another that can be uploaded?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 18:50, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No. This problem has occured before. There aren't many pictures to choose from. By the way, we should keep pictures of the plastron somewhere. This is maybe why we need separate articles for each species. DGERobertson (talk) 19:00, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I've been reading the Ernst source and they basically just ignore the subspecies issue. In their text they point out differences as they arise (like the table I put in the reproduction section). We should be fine if we follow that source than add supporting information from other sources. I whole-heartedly agree that those pictures should be included, however, those were in strange spots. Perhaps they could be put in the description section. Oh...before I forget...did you get the e-mails of the screenshots?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 19:08, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes I got the screenshots. Thanks. Another thing we could use is a map showing the distribution of the four species. I noticed a picture in the Commons that is from Minnesota. It probably is a Western. I am trying to make an ID but the picture isn't the best. DGERobertson (talk) 19:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

The Ernst book has a fantastic map, if you're good with photoshop... The good thing is that arguably the hardest section is out of the way! NYMFan69-86 (talk) 19:18, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

The problem is to identify the various subspecies areas. So far I haven't seen such a map. I haven't tried making maps for Wikipedia yet. It doesn't look too difficult. I just need to figure out the easiest way. DGERobertson (talk) 20:12, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

True, but if Ernst keeps it ambiguous...we can keep it ambiguous. If we can upload a map similar to that than, in the distribution and habitat section, say specifically where each is found (just like a sentence each), than we should be fine.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 23:30, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Link

Is there an accessible link for the "Orenstein" ref (end of first paragraph under Ecology and behavior)?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 19:44, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

No idea. DGERobertson (talk) 15:11, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Should I remove that information? I can add content from the other sources, but not from that one as of right now.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 17:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Hide it until we can find an appropriate ref. So far I couldn't find one. DGERobertson (talk) 20:21, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'll continue work in my sandbox. Nice images!--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 22:27, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

First source

The first source is inaccessible, however, it is currently citing only two things that I personally have found in other sources. Do you mind if I remove it (it's also only in the lead)?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 00:42, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure. No problem. DGERobertson (talk) 00:45, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Images

You can throw in an image of the plastron now. I just wanted some expansion to take place before the page became more pictures than anything else...NYMFan69-86 (talk) 23:54, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Sure I will look into it. BTW I changed your raccoon picture. The one you had was so pathetic looking and the new one looks like the raccoon was actually searching for a turtle. DGERobertson 00:04, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Haha...a little scrawny I suppose.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 00:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Peer review

I submitted the article for peer review.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 18:12, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Good luck. DGERobertson 18:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Just looking for general help/suggestions for now.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 16:23, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

If you're struggling with the map, you could likely ask NuclearVacuum over on wikicommons (he did this other map for me...nice guy). Or perhaps before you do that, you ask at the Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Map workshop.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 18:19, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Speyeria edwardsii

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Another Dger image!

Hello Dger, stumbled across this image File:Belted Whiteface.jpg. Just put it into Painted turtle, it works fantastically. Do you know if it occurs within the range of our little turtle?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 04:03, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah...sorry, disregard. It was in there for a while but things got jumbled around and now it's been replaced with a larvae picture.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 18:24, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Turtles

Recently created project, we could really use your expertise.  :-)--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 05:43, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I signed up and will help out when possible. Dger (talk) 22:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Amphibians and Reptiles assessment drive

At WikiProject Amphibians and Reptiles, in which you are listed as a member, we're working on a pretty massive backlog (1000+ articles!) of unassessed articles. We would appreciate it greatly if you would help assess the articles in the link. It's simple to do!

1. Read over the article.
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Yes, I will contribute to the effort. I already tried doing a few. Dger (talk) 20:43, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Papilio multicaudatus vs. Two-tailed Swallowtail

Hello Dger, the English WP has two articles about the same species. I am not working on the English WP, but on the German WP. Therefore, may be you should organize to remove this redundancy. Greetings from Berlin, Germany. -- Engeser (talk) 18:47, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. I will look into the matter and get it fixed. Dger (talk) 20:48, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

It's fixed now. Dger (talk) 23:58, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Greetings. -- Engeser (talk) 08:54, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Message for project members

Hello WP:TURTLE member, the project needs your help. We have recently created a portal (Portal:Turtles), and would like you to choose two or three captivating turtle images for its "Selected picture" section. These images must to be chosen from commons and have a small (three sentences or so) paragraph describing the species in the picture. When you have several that you like, please place the images and a possible caption on the portal's talk page (Portal talk:Turtles). Thank you so much project member!--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 16:07, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Will do. Dger (talk) 16:34, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

However

I won't be reverting your moving of however as it really doesn't matter but I don't agree with it. Sentences can start with "However" or "But" and in many cases it is the correct thing to do. As you've already posted that Strunk and White's analysis is suspect you are at least partly aware of the situation. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 20:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I have used this rule from Strunk and White for many years (decades if you must know) and I do agree that it is not universally accepted. In this case, I had already changed another part of the text and I felt we should be consistent. Another editor said that it did not need to have a comma after it, but editors are in agreement, I believe, that it must have one when used as "nevertheless". I think we are not too divergent on this matter. Cheers. Dger (talk) 21:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Your edits are fine. I don't mind them at all and it was my mistake to not spot your comma change. My only interest was for you to re-think the idea that "However" can't start a sentence. You may find of interest an however vs but discussion between some major editors on the use of 'But' to start a sentence not long ago. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 00:58, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Interesting. Of course many writers violate grammar rules often to great effect. I will keep an open mind but I do feel Wikipedia needs to follow a scholarly approach being that it is an encyclopedia. Whether the "however" rule is scholarly is the problem. I will not be a pest about it. Cheers. Dger (talk) 01:19, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

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We are doing a push to get 10 turtle GAs (or FAs, FLs) in two months. how about grabbling an article and making it your baby and participating? If you want help, others can join in, or if you like to really run it as your creation, that is fine too. Or whatever blend you prefer. there are some real "plum" turtle articles that could be turned into GAs (notable, sources available, etc.). In any case, you'd be part of an effort and could share victories and commisserate setbacks together!

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Please use edit summaries

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The bot was not "correct".

If you read the guidelines carefully, there is no blanket prohibition of adding youtube video links. It really looks like you are just undoing my edits just for the heck of it. --Agamemnus (talk) 08:13, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I did read the guidelines carefully. How did your insertion add useful information about snapping turtles? Are pigeons a usual food source of snappers? Dger (talk) 14:50, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

It shows that snappers can eat just about anything. Are snappers a usual source of food for herons? Do you have any information whatsoever to back up one or the other? It seems you are biased against snappers for some reason. QUOTE:

"I agree with Matt. Great Blue Herons are beautiful birds and need to feed to stay alive. Even if they were the ugliest aninmals in earth they still need to feed and progagate their species. Small turtles are well known as a food source for various birds. It may not look pleasant to a human eye but to a bird's eye it is normal and natural to capture various creatures for consumption and life. I congratulate the photographer for capturing such a difficult image."

So this is what I say: "Common snapping turtles are beautiful turtles and need to feed to stay alive. Even if they were the ugliest animals in earth they still need to feed and progagate their species. Birds and other small animals are well known as a food source for common snapping turtles. It may not look pleasant to a human eye but to a turtle's eye it is normal and natural to capture various creatures for consumption and life. I congratulate the photographer for capturing such a difficult video."

Yes? --Agamemnus (talk) 19:17, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

You never said before that you referenced the blue heron article for your stance on herons eating turtles. Now you are saying that common snapping turtles don't eat birds, and that they don't eat outside of the water. That's just not true. First of all, they will eat outside of the water if they are hungry enough. Second, snapping turtles' tails vary. Female tails are much shorter, and the ratio of tail size to body size decreases as they grow. A snapping turtle big enough to eat a pidgeon would be an adult with a smaller ratio of tail to body size than a juvenile or baby. Regardless, this is clearly a common snapping turtle in the video. Its long protruding neck and head attest to that. The tail is obscured by the mud. Third, the URL of the website doesn't mean squat in evaluating the content -- nice red herring. Fourth, you have no evidence that turtles are a common food item of blue herons -- only that they feed on them, so you can't say that being an "uncommon" food item is a reason for not including the video. If you don't remember, you rejected that rationale yourself when I offered it! Fifth, here it is, straight from the article: "Snapping turtles are omnivores, consuming both plant and animal matter, and are important aquatic scavengers; but they are also active hunters that prey on anything they can swallow, including many invertebrates, fish, frogs, reptiles (including snakes and smaller turtles), unwary birds, and small mammals."--Agamemnus (talk) 23:13, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

If you can prove without a shadow of a doubt that that was a common snapping turtle, I think it's okay to leave it in...no Dger?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 01:10, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Ok, first of all, adult snapping turtles have a smooth shell. And now here's the higher quality source on youtube. The face of that turtle is that of a COMMON SNAPPING TURTLE. HAPPY? Are you going to ask me to learn Portugese and translate the reporter now?!?!?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhGZ5XUW27E--Agamemnus (talk) 02:06, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I know I'm late to this party but I just wanted to point out that the species in the video is not a Snapping Turtle at all. It is Phrynops hilarii, a species of sideneck turtle (pleurodire) filmed in Brazil. This particular incident, as well as others, were published in the september 2009 issue of Herpetological Review (PHRYNOPS HILARII (Hilaire's Side-necked Turtle). FEEDING BEHAVIOR. Volume 40 Issue 3 Pages 336-337 by Clovis S. Bujes). . Matt Keevil (talk) 04:33, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

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Re: disruptive editing

>Please stop your disruptive editing of Common Snapping Turtle. Your addition of someone else's video violates many common rules for inclusion in a Wikipedia article. In fact, you are the one who are making disruptive editing as you are the person who removed the video in the first place.

I think you need to look at what you are editing. I modified the video after I found the source. After more research, including using google translate, I found that it is probably not a common snapping turtle, but a Phrynops Hilarii. However, all that research should have been done by you, and then you would have had the right to remove it. PS: You seem to just love to pile up accusations, forcing people to do your legwork for you. PPS: A link does not constitute original research. --Agamemnus (talk) 07:38, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Totally wrong. It was up to you to source the addition. The concept that pigeons are a food source for the Common Snapping Turtle was original research since it is not documented in the literature. Dger (talk) 08:10, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Once again, it's not an "addition". The article states that a food source for common snapping turtles is "unwary birds", not "unwary birds (with the exception of certain birds that Dger fancies aren't palatable by turtles, like pigeons)". If you have an issue with that statement, start by removing that instead.--Agamemnus (talk) 09:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Your statement, earlier: "Pigeons are NOT food sources for turtles". Proof to the contrary, via Google Translate: "In the environment where they live reptile, the competition for food is great. This explains the stress the animal out of the water (which usually feeds) and corner doves. It can be painful to see the bird most sentimental part of the menu of quelídeo. The biologist, however, suggests that the course of nature must follow normally. In this case, this mechanism also serves to regulate the number of pigeons... This has to be seen as something natural. It's like a lion catching a zebra. Do not go to save the dove!" source--Agamemnus (talk) 07:57, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

How long before you stall progress on a different article? You put in a bad video of the wrong turtle and you have the audacity to say it's Dgers fault? How dare you. Cite what you include...jeez, common sense. NYMFan69-86 (talk) 15:42, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism warning template

Just to let you know you forgot to substitute the vandalism warning template you posted at User talk:129.25.27.219#April 2011. As I'm sure you know, this sort of template should be done as {{Subst:uw-v3|Cancer (constellation)}}, not just {{uw-v3|Cancer (constellation)}}. Regards, Richard New Forest (talk) 19:51, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't know that. I could use some guidance as to why. I have posted a number of these with no previous such warning. What is the difference? Cheers. Dger (talk) 19:57, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

It still works if you don't, and eventually a bot comes along and substitutes it. You've probably not been reminded before because no-one has bothered. I think the idea is to limit processor demand, as an unsubstituted template has to be calculated every time it's viewed, and a substituted one is just text. Some templates are always substituted and some never. This guidance explains it more fully: WP:SUBSTITUTION. Regards, Richard New Forest (talk) 20:25, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Dger (talk) 20:26, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

shake your manly hand

The Red Herring made me smile. (I just used my Chef's Knife...have lost 70 pounds by emphasizing veggies!) TCO (talk) 02:03, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I always look for the humorous side of these discussions. Dger (talk) 02:05, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

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PD-text

Hello Dger, since you have made a lot of NA butterfly articles, you will probably know this, but to be sure I will post it anyway... Did you know all text on the Butterflies and Moths of North America website is Public Domain and thus can be copied to wikipedia without too much rewriting? I didnt know it until just now... This might speed up article creation for NA butterflies considerably... See the FAQ page of the website: [3], "Can I have permission to use photographs or text from this web site?" "Photographs - All images on this web site are copyrighted, and they cannot be copied, reproduced, or used in any way without the author's permission. Usage fees may be charged. Contact information for photographers is available by contacting us." "Text - Written information contained in the species accounts (such as identification, life history, habitat, range, etc.) are public domain. We ask that you cite this resource when using information from this web site." Cheers! Ruigeroeland (talk) 06:59, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I will look into that source. Dger (talk) 13:55, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

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How many Morphos

You were right to question this and I'll change the text.Lamas reduced the number of Morpho species without saying why.In fact synonymies (in any taxon) are seldom explained Funet being no exception.The problem is Le Moult and Real (with it's many faults) remains the standard work hence "many authorities". De Vries has faults too.Web names are variously derived and EOL and NHM opt out altogether (for many Valid name = Valid species so this term does not help in the least) I'll put something alng these lines on the articles talk page. Modified it can then replace the unrefed text.All the best and a Happy New Year Notafly (talk) 09:27, 4 January 2012 (UTC) PS. What do the Japanese make of all this I wonder.

Dubious edits

Thanks, unfortunately I'm going to be away for a few days, but usually someone on the bird project picks these up Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Gray Jay

[4] Please be careful with macro substitutions, respect WP:Engvar, do not copyedit image names, do not change reference titles against the sources (no matter the spelling) and check your browser for international font support before saving such edits - it takes time to fix them later. Materialscientist (talk) 00:13, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Changing article titles per IOC defying WP:Engvar is tricky and does need consensus developed at the article talk or/and WP:BIRD. Note these links [5] [6] "the committee encourages each author and publisher to select whatever spelling of these words is deemed appropriate". Materialscientist (talk) 00:42, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I have no preference for gray or grey and my major concern is consistency within the article; if there is no clear benefit for a change, I tend to be conservative because such changes require tedious adjustments across wikipedia. Anyway, if the article is titled Gray Jay then the correct procedure is to build consensus to change the article name (e.g. WP:RM) and only then change the article text. Materialscientist (talk) 03:25, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Eresia

Forms "in vivo" are rarely the best images we have. Especially that you want to impose, which is medicocre quality. One that is implemented is the type species for the genus. Thank you for your understanding. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 16:36, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Biblis

Observe the quality criteria of scientific description. An image "in vivo" is not intrinsically superior to a naturalized specimen. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 08:15, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Aglais io

Hi there! European and UK taxonomic status changed in 2011. I will send you the sources some time this week —GRM (talk) 08:38, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. The sources need to be very strong as the references in the article are already generally accepted. Dger (talk) 17:19, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Nymphalis vaualbum

The species name "vaualbum" is a nomen nudum, i.e., published without description or an indication and as such it is unavailable for scientific nomenclature. Reference: Kudrna, O. & J. Belicek. 2005. On the ‘Wiener Verzeichnis’, its authorship and the butterflies named therein. Oedippus, 23: 1-32 p. joe.belicek@shaw.ca 68.151.58.221 (talk) 02:52, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that information but we still need a proper reference to its current bionomial name otherwise we leave it until one is established. As above in the previous note, (Aglais io) Wikipedia needs reliable sources. Dger (talk) 17:19, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Blue Wildebeest

Hello, Thanks for telling me. I will verify this. --Cephas (talk) 12:50, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Fort Beauséjour

I believe you found an incorrect image of Fort Beauséjour or the image of a different fort. Check the brochure at the Parks Canada site here: Fort Beauséjour–Fort Cumberland: Une Histoire / A History It shows several layouts of the Forts (Beauséjour and Cumberland) that are all five pointed. The image you have submitted does not match. Please do not revert again unless you have proof the model is accurate. Dger (talk) 01:18, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I just explained myself in Talk. This picture of the model was taken inside the Fort Beauséjour museum. Even the drawing shows an uneven five star fort, and your link shows a building similar to the one inside the model. Prove me different or phone the museum.--Varing (talk) 01:23, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

The picture of this model was taken inside Fort Beauséjour museum. If you disagree, phone the museum. Furthermore, look at this drawing of the fort, it has five unequal distant points. Even Dger's link shows a building inside the fort similar to the fort model.--Varing (talk) 01:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

The link, towards the end of the presentation, shows an aerial photo of an uneven five star fort. Even one side was dug in, like in the first model photo. Better to have a closer look my friend!--Varing (talk) 01:34, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Looks very even to me. Dger (talk) 01:39, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiThanks

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Chrysiridia

Hi Dger, I noticed that you cut off the redirect from Chrysiridia riphearia to Chrysiridia rhipheus, and you included C. riphearia in the Chrysiridia article. I wonder if you could clarify, is there a recent change to separate these species?

I only ask because Chrysiridia rhipheus is going on the front page in about 15 hours, and it says "The genus Chrysiridia is entirely African and the only other species in the genus is the East African C. croesus." So if there's a discrepancy we can clear up, let's do it soon! :-) Thanks, Melchoir (talk) 08:55, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

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More African butterflies

Hello Dger, its been some time, but I would like to point you to an amazing source for African butterflies located at: http://atbutterflies.com/downloads/. These are .doc files that seem to have descriptions on all African butterflies. I started working on some Pieridae species already, but seeing there are about 4000 species (we made 700 South African already though) I was wondering if you would be up for a second round of "African Lep"-article creation..? Cheers! Ruigeroeland (talk) 16:10, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

That is an enormous challenge. I am rather busy right now with academic matters but I may be able to help in a month or so. Cheers. Dger (talk) 03:39, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

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