User talk:Aboutmovies

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thank you for your welcome message

I would like to thank you for your welcoming message as a new user to Wikipedia I need all the help with formatting and editing and categorizing and entering sources etc. thank you for your professionalism and dedication. --snejanac 10:26, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

• • I, too, say thank you for your welcome message, although I'm not really a new editor. I've been working on Wikiquotes for over a year. Since you are the first administrator on Wikipedia to contact me, perhaps you could look at the talk page for the article on President Barack Obama. I found a grammatical and factual error in a sentence tonight, while reading the article. Since it is locked, I offered a suggestion for text replacement on the talk page. I appreciate the greeting and hope to talk with you again. Carmaskid (talk) 07:52, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

It looks like you have your hands full. So my "thank you" will only cause a distraction. Thanks for taking time to pass on the informational note and the great advice. I need help I can get, and more time to digest the protocol. I have much more to add on Gigi Perreau ‘s page. Plus her daughter, Gina Marie Gallo Paris which made the movie “Fly me to the moon” and “Sammy’s Great Adventures’”. emil702 18:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I would also like to thank you for the welcoming words. I will strive to contribute to the wonderful content here on Wikipedia, and also try to add extra information to already existing pages. Thanks for the guidelines and other useful information. --Alefeb (talk) 08:12, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank You

Thanks a million for adding images to so many NRHP stubs! --Another Believer _(Talk) 04:21, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

request for usurp

Hi, I am writing to you since you confirmed a welcome when I first signed on as ssp37097 on Wiki. I write to confirm that just a few minutes ago I created another account and requested a usurp of my old account. I am hoping that I did everything correctly. Would you please confirm? Thanks SSP (talk) 22:45, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Mark Hatfield

Thank you for responding to my comments at Talk:Mark Hatfield. I think I may have found an answer to my question. Please see that Talk page for further details. --TommyBoy (talk) 02:38, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Thatcher, Oregon

Got pics? Valfontis (talk) 05:44, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Nope, but could probably make it out there soon. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Jus Reign

FYI... You assessed Jus Reign as class=start. I know the the difference between stub and start can be highly subjective. However, Reign's article contains no reliable references, thus cannot be labeled as a start. Bgwhite (talk) 20:13, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

FYI, sorry, but your interpenetration is simply wrong. Your view is a common mis-perception, but parse the actual criteria: "but the article should satisfy fundamental content policies such as notability and BLP, and provide sources to establish verifiability." The key word being should. As opposed to must. I understand you think it should be deleted, and I don't disagree, but the assessment doesn't factor into the equation (and for PROD purposes neither does no reliable sources found). So next time (and I am going to come off as a bit of an ass), before going in and reverting edits and leaving notes on a person who has over 100,000 edits which include roughly 25,000 assessments, I would suggest reading and completely understanding the guideline or policy you are discussing. Plus, if you feel an article is a certain, class, just add it when you are otherwise editing the talk page as you did. You were already there, and you seem confident you know what you are doing, so to quote a famous tag line - just do it. Otherwise, happy editing. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:40, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Care to comment?

About, you've commented here before: Template talk:Infobox law school. Care to chip in on the two questions I've raised?--S. Rich (talk) 19:54, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Corvallis, Oregon/Steve McQueen-Barbara Minty Connection

Hey there,

I have re-added Barbara Minty to the Corvallis, Oregon page as a notable resident. Research found on the Corvallis School District page, lists her as the class of 1971. I myself grew up in Corvallis and it was well known when I was growing up that a Corvallis resident went on to become a semi-successful model for Vogue, Harper's Bazaar, and Marie Claire who then married actor Steve McQueen. A couple resources are as follows:

http://www.csd509j.net/chs/history/alumni/alumni1.htm

http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_295/barbara-minty/

Barbara Minty McQueen (Barbie McQueen) is VERY reclusive, and lives out in the middle of nowhere in Montana and in the last few years published a book on her marriage to the late actor.

I do archiving work for a fashion preservation page, and believe me it hasn't been easy to find a decent body of work on the internet to not only create a photographic album of her work (Vogue/Harper's Bazaar/Cosmopolitan covers and editorial work) for the fashion page site I am working on, but to interview her about that era of her life before her marriage and get some info out of her about how she ended up in Corvallis. Nothing sensational of course, just some memories. I have tried to contact Barbara a few times to not only interview her for the fashion website, but also because I wanted (and was hoping to be able) to flesh out her wikipedia page to make a clearer connection to her ties to Corvallis, and my emails haven't been returned. Former colleagues that worked with her in the fashion industry have said that she is a very private woman and keeps to herself and the memories of her late husband. Believe me, the website I am working on as far as archives go hasn't been easy because I literally am having to track down people who may not have the name recognition of Cindy Crawford/Lauren Hutton/Naomi Campbell, but within the circles of people they worked for are still revered and remembered, to ask for scans of women from their portfolios that would otherwise be lost to the interests of those who are curious about fashion history. It is frustrating because Conde Nast who owns Vogue literally asked all people involved on the site to remove any Conde Nast images, thus slimming down and removing altogether some people who's work is valued.

I just now as of this writing discovered that I could contact you directly here to leave this comment, after I re-added her. I was like WTF? So my plea on the Corvallis page is a little testy and I am asking forgiveness for my testy rudeness :) So, please let her remain as a resident as there is documented proof that she lived in my hometown.

No big deal. I see you added the info to her article about her being from Corvallis, thus the problem is solved. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:09, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Middleton, Oregon railroad photo

Hi, Aboutmovies. Just wondering .... There is no crossing in this recently uploaded photo, File:Railroad crossing at Middleton - Oregon.jpg. It's just a rail line. Did you mean to upload a different file? (I'm posting this message here, because you wrote on your Commons user page that you prefer to be contacted here.) SJ Morg (talk) 11:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I took the picture from the crossing, so yes, no crossing in the picture. Guess you'll have to imagine it in your mind as just to the right. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:46, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Oregon Reports

Hi there -- do you by chance have easy access to the Oregon Reports, specifically vol. 8? See User talk:Mtsmallwood#Request about Vallejo (ferry) -- seems like it could be a curious tidbit to add (or maybe not). -Pete (talk) 20:31, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

I might, do you have the citation (8 Or. 101) or better yet a case name? Google Books has a lot of old "reporters" online, to which there are quite a few "Pacific Reports". The regional reporters would (actually still do) aggregate cases from several states, so many Oregon Reporter cases would be in there. Cite for it would likely be something like 28 P. 204. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:35, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't know anything beyond what Mt told me on his talk page- might be worth asking him. I did some Googling on the terms I knew, but didn't come up with anything in Google Books. -Pete (talk) 08:59, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Why revert?

I in no way did a personal attack or called you names. You said "I am going to come off as a bit of an ass". I said, "Thank you for sounding like an Ass" as a reply that I agreed with your statement. You did sound like an ass by saying I've got so many edits so don't tell me what to do.

It is very condescending to say that I have so many entries so I know better and it is in no way a personal attack to tell you that. I've worked in a University setting for 20 years now. My secondary job is counseling students on abuse. Physical assaults by Profs on students. Verbal assaults. Unwarranted sexual advances. The worst is, "I'm a prof" you an idiot so I know better. Hey they are tenured profs, so there is nothing you can do. Saying I'm a lawyer and you are not so I know what is right is just the same as the profs and I abhor it. It is wrong behavior. Bgwhite (talk) 09:22, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Since your job is in part counseling, I believe one of the main responsibilities is to listen. As an an attorney (AKA counselor) it is my responsibility to listen (or read) to what clients and opposing counsel state. It is also incumbent upon me to ensure I hear the entire story and not cherry-pick the portions I want to focus on. I have to review and understand the entire argument. My argument was not "I've got so many edits so don't tell me what to do" but that must and should are two different words that when it comes to rules we treat differently. For comparison, review WP:BLP and note the use of must throughout, even in conjunction with should in the same sentence in the lede. But no matter what, you will disagree with me, and without you taking a class on legislation interpretation, you will never agree. We can quote dictionaries to the cows come home, as our very own Wiktionary says that one antonym for should is must. Or where it says "You should brush your teeth every day." Now you should, but there is nothing requiring one to do so (well maybe a parent). And I'm sure we could each find more. But when it comes to what laws (and for Wikipedia we just have guidelines/policies) should and must are very different. Now, in general, start class articles should have RS, but unlike the BLP policy, it is not must.

My "I have a bunch of edits" item was about your actions. As in see WP:DTTR in general. As in before you start reverting edits and leaving notes, you might want to ensure you are 100% correct, such as leaving a note about vandalism after an editor adds a bunch of random cuss words. Here, you feel should means must, yet I have had this conversation before and others have indeed backed me up (and as shown above Wiktionary does to, for whatever that is worth). Plus, the ratings criteria also employs the use of must, see the FA criteria. Again, that is another parsing tool taught when interpreting rules, as in if two terms are used, both are usually interpreted to mean different things.

Add the only relevant change to the start criteria was done by a single editor without discussion at the ratings template page, citing a discussion on another talk page where he raised the idea and nobody supported or commented on the change. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:06, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I keep seeing you pop up on my watchlist

		The Original Barnstar
		I was glad to see Columbia College (Oregon) get some work after I dumped it out as a stub. JORGENEV 06:02, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome

Thanks!

All the best Qwin10 (talk) 23:24, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Parks in Portland

Got any more photos? Unfortunately, I can't help out too much (I took a few of other Portland landmarks today, however), but if I check Flickr again sometime, maybe new ones of the parks will pop up. I'll convince myself sometime to work on completing the columns in the tables in the list, but we still don't have a photo of every park. Jsayre64 (talk) 03:54, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

All the ones I've taken have been uploaded. When I come across parks and I have a camera I'll try to remember to snap a shot. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:20, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Help

Hi Aboutmovies, its Qwin10. I seem to have a problem. A user by the name of skol fir has sent me messages and deleted my edits claiming that they are vandalism. It appears that this user got upset because I found an error in one of his posts. I came to wikipedia because I believe in the project, but I really don't want to stay if my edits are not valued. Please help, thanks. Qwin10 (talk) 22:17, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Update, I have decided to leave wikipedia. This project is not worth the stress caused by some mean spirited users. Thanks again for the welcome. Take care. Qwin10 (talk) 22:23, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Frankly, if your first edit includes inserting "ding bonga ding glock" nobody is going to miss those edits. Aboutmovies (talk) 02:51, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

The Right Stuff

Hello AM! I was hoping you would have some time for an interview for the our newsletter, The Right Stuff. Just a few questions about what makes WPOregon so successful. Thanks!

– Lionel (talk) 05:18, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

First Article

My first article is nearly complete, named Paul Shoup : I believe I have everything sorted out relating to copyrights: any suggestions on how to remove the hold on my page? I have a written release from the original writer, which I'm not sure has copyright anyway, as it's from a government document -and I had hired her to create the work. Regardless I have her release. What's the process to get this reviewed, and the page released from pending approval? Wjenning (talk) 06:16, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Read your page: see you are an Eagle Scout (so am I) and have a great interest in West Coast NRHP. I'd love your help in improving the article on Paul Shoup and Paul Shoup House - as these relate to my town and the house just made the NRHP. Wjenning (talk) 04:24, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Norwegian painter Bendik Riis

Suggested text for article Bendik Riis:

"Bendik Riis (1911-1988) was a Norwegian artist whose works are on display at Nasjonalmuseet.

Art created by Riis (while he was committed as a mental patients, against his own wishes) at Gaustad Sykehus, disappeared into the posssession of employees of the hospital, against the wishes of the artist according to Ketil Bjørnstad's biography about the artist.

Aftenposten said that the painting Castration (castration) from the 1950's is counted amnong his most important. "

Reference, Aftenposten, 2011-10-10, p. 7-kultur, by journalists Kjersti Nipen and Ingvild Berg

What do you think about the text?--155.55.60.112 (talk) 08:51, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest:

Bendik Riis (1911-1988) was a Norwegian artist whose works are on display at the National Museum of Art, Architecture and Design (Nasjonalmuseet). Works created by Riis while at the psychiatric Gaustad Hospital (Gaustad Sykehus) in Oslo, where he was committed against his will, disappeared into the possession of employees of the hospital. According to Ketil Bjørnstad's biography about the artist, these disappearances were also against Riss' will. The newspaper Aftenposten said that the painting Castration (castration) from the 1950s is counted among his most important.

This makes it clearer for English readers. I might suggest adding place of birth/death and any school or other biographical details as well. Otherwise, with this little info, no need for multiple paragraphs. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Copy edit request in article on Osama bin Laden

The article on Osama bin Laden had a request for copyediting in one section. I just added a possible revision to the talk page for the article. Could you take a look at it? I seem to have lost all the internal links by working in my text editor. How do I fix that?Carmaskid (talk) 20:02, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Interview with Wikimedia Foundation

Hello Aboutmovies, I hope you're well. My name is Aaron and I'm one of the Storytellers working on the 2011 fundraiser here at the Wikimedia Foundation. For this year's campaign we're seeking out and interviewing active Wikipedians like yourself, in order to produce a broader and more representative range of "personal appeals" to run come November. If you'd like to participate in this project, please email me at amuszalskiwikimedia.org. Interviews are typically conducted by phone or Skype and take between 30-90 minutes. (Note: This invitation is open to any interested Wikipedian — If you're reading this, and would like to be interviewed as well, please contact me.) Thanks! Aaron (WMF) (talk) 04:46, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Question about WikiProject assessments

Hi. I've noticed you've rated a lot of biography articles for quality, so I thought you might be able to help me with a question I've wondered about for a while: When an article is rated on the quality scale for one WikiProject, such as WP:WikiProject Biography, should that rating automatically apply to all the WikiProjects the article is associated with? I know the importance rating differs from one WikiProject to another (I understand how a subject that rates as "top" priority in one WP can rate "low" in another), but it seems like the quality of the article itself is essentially the same regardless of the WikiProject. However, I've noticed most of the time, when an article is being rated, the assesser usually rates only one of the WikiProjects, so I was wondering if there was some policy discouraging rating all concerned WikiProjects "across the board" when assessing. I don't ever rate articles myself (although I will occasionally remove a "stub" or "start" rating I feel is obviously outdated so the article can be reassessed by someone more qualified than I), but I've wondered about this for a while, since I see some pages rated "B-class" in one WP while still rated "stub" or "start-class" in others. I guess basically what I'm wondering is: Once an article has been rated by someone qualified to assess it, is it ok if I update the quality rating for all the Wikiprojects associated with the article? Or is there some rule against doing that? Thanks in advance. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 05:24, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes and no. You are correct that essential the rating should be the same across projects. However, there are a couple problems. First, the project templates are "owned/maintained" by the projects, so ideally, only project members should be updating those templates. Not a huge issue, but some projects are more territorial than others. The other more significant problem is that assessments can actually vary slightly. I personally do not think they should, but here are a few examples of why they do: some projects use a modified version of the assessment scale. Specifically the military history people decided to increase the quality needed to get to B class (I personally think it was inane, and instead they could have spent more time just working on getting articles to GA, but whatever) so that a B class for Bio may not be for the military folks. Secondly, the other argument has been that an article that is say B class for WP Physics may only be a Start class for Bio, as what needs to be covered to complete an article could be different based on a projects focus. As in, say Bob was a physicist, and his article covers in-depth his hypothesis about dark matter, but doesn't even have basic info as to where/when he was born or where he went to school. The Physics folks might think the article is B class based on the coverage of the physics info, but for Bio it could only be start at best. Again, my personal thoughts would that the article would need to be start at best, as if any project thinks major parts are missing, then as a whole the article is incomplete.

Now on a practical level, rarely would someone care if another editor updated all assessments to match. I personally do so for each project I am a member of, so for instance if there was a law school dean in Oregon that I assessed, I would update for WP Oregon, WP Law, UP Uni, and WP Bio. Anyway, hopefully that answers your question. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:37, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. That answers my question. Although I agree, it would make more sense for the same quality criteria to apply across all WikiProjects (to avoid confusion), I'm not looking to change the existing policies (and however they may differ). It was just something I've wondered about for a while, because I've noticed some WP assessers will rate all projects when they assess, but now that I think about it, when it's happened it's usually been "entertainment" and/or "awards" articles where the rating standard probably doesn't vary much (if at all).

I guess my follow-up question is this: Is it ok for me to remove a "stub" or "start" rating when it's obviously outdated? Again, I don't take it upon myself to rate articles (I prefer to spend my time writing articles, and simply don't have the time or inclination to check every reference/source to verify all key information, especially on articles with 30 or 40 or more sources), but when it comes to simply removing an obviously outdated rating, is that ok? For example, the Carroll O'Connor bio article, which was rated as "start" class over four years ago. I'm not saying it should be nominated as FA-class, but it's pretty obviously not "start" class anymore either - so is it ok to remove the "start" rating so the page can be reassesed? To me, an "unassessed" status is more accurate than a "start" rating from four years ago, but please correct me if I'm wrong. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 07:26, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

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WikiProject Universities

Hi Aboutmovies, I saw your name listed in WP:Universities, so I thought I'd contact you. I recently nominated the article R.V. College of Engineering for GA, and it passed. Since the reviewer was not involved with WP:Universities, I thought I'd ask someone involved to have a look at it. Also, is it OK if I list the article on the main page of WP:Universities? Thank you, Lynch7 14:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

AfD of Wilson Hall (Oregon State University)

Hi. You tagged Wilson Hall (Oregon State University) for notability. I thought you might like to know that it's now at AfD here. andy (talk) 12:07, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Out of Date Article

Hello - the Lattice Semiconductor article is quite out of date. Who do I talk to about corrections?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.185.196.124 (talk) 01:32, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Sent you an email. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

wait, what?

Ouch, I'd expect it from Val, but from you?? Blood traitor! I'd turn you in for WP:NPA but I think you just have to turn in your Beavers' license. ;-) Anyway, we'll see what happens. I edited 'em when they were 1-11, I'll edit them again. But 11-1 is definitely more fun. The Webfoots may be looking at some sanctions anyway so we'll just hang around and see what happens. (P.S. Brett Nottingham's QB rating: 185.7. Luck: 167.5. Just sayin'). --Esprqii (talk) 17:54, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Just glad we can have some fun and move away from the COI/SOCK drama. As to Ducks and Beavers, I was a Duck fan good decade before I went to OSU. OSU just sort of happened. Now I can only hope the Beavs basketball has finally turned a corner and might get back to respectability. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, I'll let you off with a warning then. I'd love to see the Beavs get back to hoops glory as well. It's been too long since the Ralph Miller/Gary Payton era. --Esprqii (talk) 23:17, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia. I am sure I will be using many of those links for help. Jpech95 (talk) 20:24, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia. I've made minor edits in the past, but never as a registered user. It did not take me long to discover that I like writing and editing pages on Wikipedia. I hope I can contribute in a meaningful way to this project.AJMacPherson (talk) 08:54, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Clear Creek Distillery

Hey, thanks for the help on the article. I was thinking of submitting to DYK on it with this draft. What do you think? Steven Walling • talk 21:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Go for it. An alt might be: ...that Stephen McCarthy used to make gun parts before starting fruit brandy maker Clear Creek Distillery? Aboutmovies (talk) 03:45, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

O. Paul Minneman page

We have spent some time cleaning up the headers (thank you for the note; we eliminated the links in the headers). We have also worked to clean up the tone. Let me know if there is more to do. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miklminn (talk • contribs) 01:21, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Ramblin' Rod

Just wanted to say thanks for uploading that photo of Rod. I was about to post one but you beat me to the punch. Thanks for saving me the trouble. I have yet to figure out how to upload images on Wikipedia. Cheers, man. Keep up the excellent work! Multnomahblues (talk) 12:10, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Category:Ernst Busch Academy of Dramatic Arts

Hi, please add a mention of the Academy in the article Wolfgang Heinz to explain why you added it into this category. – Fayenatic (talk) 08:53, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah - thank you, – Fayenatic (talk) 08:00, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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A bowl of strawberries for you!

:) Goldask2 (talk) 09:37, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

I hope you won't take this the wrong way

I hope you won't take this the wrong way - I don't know you, and you are obviously a prolific contributor. However, the welcome message you left at User talk:Dannyvendramini is one reason the process isn't automated. That editor has exactly one edit - asking for help because he believes his wife has been libeled. The edit was hurtful, and the editor is not happy. Sending a "welcome" thanking him for his "contributions" isn't the right message. The editor may well be considering legal action, and the welcome message doesn't send the message that we care about his concerns. Again, I hope I haven't offended, but I think it is wise to take a glance at the contributions before sending a welcome message. --SPhilbrick(Talk) 02:27, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I understand your concerns, but I simply have another philosophy. So many times the first message left on a user's talk page is a negative one, so anytime I see a redlinked user talk page I leave a message in order to try and have a better message, not to mention the useful links. Possibly in this case he used those links to seek the help he needed. As to any defamation issues and legal action, I fail to see the connection. This user was not the person who made the BLP violating statement, right? Therefor his contributions were useful and proper. As to libel, I really could not care less, as since I did not write the libeless statement, I have no exposure, and neither does Wikipedia. Certainly it can put a black eye on Wikipedia to those ignorant folks who do not understand defamation and US internet laws, but I would certainly hope it was explained to the editor that his sole recourse for any legal action that will not be laughed out of court is to sue the editor who wrote the statement. That is where the problem stems from, the editor who wrote the statement, and not anybody else, let's not lose sight of that. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Shawn Lindsay

The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for North Pacific College

The DYK project (nominate) 13:18, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

TY!

well that was a pleasant message ^^ thankyou for the greeting and information, my only curiousity is what triggered that response? --Arkbg (talk) 07:35, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Indiana University School of Law – Indianapolis

Hi Aboutmovies,

You wrote the following on my talk page:

"Please stop undo established editor's reversion of your page moves. We are not Facebook and any issues with Facebook are to be addressed via Facebook. Or, just leave it as is (as what the school needs to be named as per Wikipedia's naming conventions) and Facebook will eventual update their page. But that is Facebook's issue, not Wikipedia. On Wikipedia we follow our own rules and don't care much about what we call mirrors (which is what Facebook is doing in this instance). Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)"

Thanks much for the input. But please let me better explain the situation.

Although I did so prior to creating a Wikipedia user name, I wrote much of the "Indiana University School of Law – Indianapolis" article. Also, I am the user who created the redirects that I recently attempted to change on a temporary basis.

As you can see, in addition to the "Indiana University School of Law – Indianapolis" article, quite a few pages redirect to the the moved "Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law" article. Unbeknownst to me when I created those redirect pages, Facebook has a bug in that Facebook often can't distinguish between a main article and a redirect page. So Facebook often indexes redirect pages, and once it has done so, then refuses to index the main page because Facebook sees it as a duplicate. That is, although several of the redirect pages (that I created) are indexed in Facebook, the main article (Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law) has NOT been indexed. See http://www.facebook.com/319202238090899

I have written to Facebook repeatedly about this problem. All of my requests for help have gone unanswered, with one exception: On one occasion, a customer service rep wrote back and suggested "removing duplicates" from Wikipedia. Of course, that isn't so easily done. So instead, I followed the approach of removing the redirect and creating a "temporary" page for the "Indiana University School of Law – Indianapolis" article, so that Facebook wouldn't see it (and pages redirected to it) as a duplicate of the main article. And since I closely monitor the main article and its related redirected pages, I had intended to revert the redirects as soon as the Facebook issue was resolved, or within a few weeks, whichever is sooner.

I completely AGREE with your position that the above is "Facebook's issue" and not a Wikipedia issue. Nonetheless, regardless of where the issue arises, it is the school (the subject of the article) that is suffering. And so I still hope to resolve a problem that I, in part, created.

The original objection (and reversion) occurred when I posted an article that merely read as follows: "This page has moved. Please see Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law." In hindsight, I see where that was not the best approach. However, I am now pursuing NEW approach that I believe 1) complies with Wikipedia guidelines, and 2) accomplishes the goal "eliminating duplicates" (on a temporary basis) from the standpoint of Facebook.

Although I maintain that my new alternative approach does not run afoul of any Wikipedia guidelines, I nonetheless concede that my new alternative approach still isn't ideal from a Wikipedia standpoint. But I ask for the editors' understanding in allowing me to pursue this new approach for a few weeks (no later than mid-February), which hopefully will be enough time to resolve the Facebook issue.

I very much appreciate your consideration and understanding.

Thanks!

Lexalt (talk) 03:44, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Seeking Guidance

I apologize for bothering you but am seeking guidance about a page that was supported through an edit by you on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nicole_van_Dam - the underlying article is now up for deletion - I wanted you to know because I've worked so hard to keep it up to date, and would be sad to see it deleted. I'm willing to make changes to save it, and since this started (Dec 28) I've added more links and cites to bolster the page, but the situation seems to remain and I am not sure how best to resolve it other than by continuing to add more cites. Should I just sit and wait now? Any insights (critical or supportive) would be appreciated, as I would like to do this correctly. See Nicole van Dam, THANK YOU! for any advice you might have. Artmaestro (talk) 20:27, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Sirshree_Tejparkhiji

Hi and thank you for the (auto-generated?) welcome. Hope everything goes well in 2012 for you and your family.

The article I started was meant to be User:Cneeds/Sirshree_Tejparkhiji but became Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Sirshree_Tejparkhiji

Please move this article to my user space if you can. (Note that when I created this article Wikipedia complained that I had removed the first line, but I hadn't.)

Thank you

Chris

Thank you very much for moving my Sirshree_Tejparkhiji page.

I note that (according to your main talk page) you are not an Administrator (and have no desire to be one!). Does that mean that I should ask someone else to make such changes in future?

Chris

Cneeds (talk) 09:43, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Correct, I am not an admin. However, most regular editors have the ability to move pages under most circumstances. In time, if you keep editing, you too will be able to move pages. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:03, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Section 3 of the Human Rights Act 1998

Hi. You rated this article "C" class for the purposes of WikiProject Law and I was wondering what element(s) of a "B" class article you believe are missing so I can correct them before GA nomination review. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:35, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

While it is a good legal article, this is a general use encyclopedia. So, first, we need to rely mostly on secondary or tertiary sources, not primary sources (so cases and the laws themselves should be cited sparingly as we want them interpreted by published, reliable sources, not Wikipedia editors). Not that you may or may not know all about the topic, or even that you may or may not be an expert, it just avoids the original research problem. Then, also look at your citations from a copy editing standpoint to fix a few typos and one standardization issue (retrieved/accessed). Next, some greater context/history is needed behind the act/law. May not need much as I would presume some is covered in the article on the full act, but some mention is needed (see the broad coverage point for GA at WP:WIAGA). Lastly, which relates to the first point, the article is dominated by quotes, which should be used sparingly (see this essay Wikipedia:Quotations). When I assessed this, I went back and forth between C and B, but settled on C due mostly on the sourcing issue. To me, fix that alone and you are at B. Fix the rest and you are probably at GA. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:26, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Scots Law

Hello. Thank you for assessing Scots Law. You gave it a B class ranking, however, another user subsequently reverted your review to C class. I don't have enough experience to know which of you has the authority to make the decision. Can you please clarify? Many thanks. Connolly15 (talk) 10:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Obviously user Mais oui! has issues with the article and is under the mis-impression that B class is of a higher level nowadays. While the military history folks may think so, at WP:LAW we have retained the standard set of classifications, and B class has been about the same for about 5 years. But I haven't the time nor the inclination to care enough (its only a class rating). The only real way to tell would be to take it to GA and put it through an actual real, structured review process (GA is the first level to have that, except per individual WikiProjects which again WPLAW has not participated in). My quick review at the time said it was good enough for B class, but that's only based on around 25,000 assessments, about 50 GA reviews I've been involved with and a couple FA reviews I've been involved with, so I could be wrong. Aboutmovies (talk) 17:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your comments - I just wanted to get a sense of whether the article really needed a lot more work or whether it was at least closer to B class. Thanks! :) Connolly15 (talk) 02:43, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

F. F. Montgomery

Any chance you can expand this stub I recently created? There's a fair bit on him on Google News, including a theft case and more. Thanks. – Connormah (talk) 19:53, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Xbox 360s

	Xbox 360s
	Xbox 360s are very popular Tommyturner7 (talk) 21:50, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Re: Rivercess County

Hello, Aboutmovies. You have new messages at Idaltu's talk page.
Message added 08:15, 7 February 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

thanks for the welcome!

thanks for the welcome to wikipedia! i appreciate it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asleepordead17 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

How long does it generally take for edits I've done on a page to appear?

How long does it generally take for edits I've done on a page to appear? I made changes to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Matthews_III on February 14th, but I don't see them yet. Thanks! Jaykeller (talk) 02:32, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Changes ordinarily appear within a second or two. However, your edits were reverted within five minutes with the reason given as rv - promotional in tone. See WP:NPOV for what that is all about. Not just any contribution is welcome. See the Five Pillars of Wikipedia for the basis of why we allow somethings and don't allow ohers. —EncMstr (talk) 03:12, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

== Understood, although the intent here was not just promotional. Clay is becaoming well known for his CureDuchenne support. He's done several PSA's, he's appeared at quite a number of fundraising events, and he's talked about Duchenne at least twice on the Ellen DeGeneres show. Jaykeller (talk) 06:59, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Shiva Ayyadurai for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Shiva Ayyadurai is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shiva Ayyadurai until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

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Thank you

Thank you for your friendly welcome to Wikipedia, --Wiki erudito (talk) 13:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Standard Plaza

The DYK project (nominate) 10:12, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello there Aboutmovies :)

First of all thank you for welcoming me, and it was an honor and pleasure at the same that you let me do some contributions at your pages, I must say it was very kind of you. And I am glad that you'd be always there for me when I shall need some help since, and I will always try to focus on the details and fill the quotas that you mentioned. Thanks, again! (Spitfire202 (talk) 07:17, 3 March 2012 (UTC))

Thanks much!

I forgot completely the 4 tildes- shall run back to my edit and sign! Appreciate it...Onundtreefoot (talk) 19:24, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for adding to Arvinder Singh Bubber. Ottawahitech (talk) 01:26, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

List of rock formations in the United Kingdom

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of rock formations in the United Kingdom, an article that you have participated in editing, regarding the scope of the list and a proposal. --20:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but my only edit was to fix a disambiguation issue, nothing substantive. Aboutmovies (talk) 00:14, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Wilsonville Public Library

The DYK project (nominate) 06:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the welcome, just learning Ptuziak (talk) 21:19, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Karen S. Davis

Hello. As somebody who has commented at Talk:Karen S. Davis, you may be interested in this. -- Hoary (talk) 04:55, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Graham Oaks Nature Park

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Midway, Washington County, Oregon

If you have time, could you snap a new picture? It sounds like the "Coming Soon" sign on the current pic is out of date. Or maybe you have a pic of the schoolhouse? Hurry before its too late. Valfontis (talk) 02:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Sure, next time it dries out. I got Thomas pics if you need them, before and after. Though I guess I should get the sports fields that are there now. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:26, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Second Story Interactive Studios

Hi there. I'm the creator of the page Second Story Interactive Studios, and I saw that you added some questions about marketing speak and notability to the page. Could you please let me know what you had it mind? Another Wikipedian approved the page after edits, and I thought it was pretty good, and pretty well documented.

Thanks, -- Scottholdensmith (talk)

Hi there... Thanks for your details on the Second Story page. I'll make some changes. Once I do, how can I get the tags removed? -- Scottholdensmith (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC).

Hi, Aboutmovies ... I made some changes to Second Story Interactive Studios and I was hoping you could take a look. I added a couple of local citations, and changed the headers, and made a couple of text tweaks. I think that most everything else is a clear assertion, and not advertising-y. Any thoughts? Thanks for your help! -- Scottholdensmith (talk —Preceding undated comment added 00:06, 28 March 2012 (UTC).

Thank you thank you for your help on this. I'll keep improving the page. -- Scottholdensmith (talk)

Awful

Re: [1]. I'm laughing. I've had a similar reaction looking over my old edits lately. I mean, what's wrong with being nestled in the Willamette Valley next to the Willamette River at the conflux of Highway 22 and Oregon 99 on the lefthand side of the beautiful Cascade Range in the depths of the Enchanted Forest next to Mill Creek in Polk/Marion County and the Spring Valley AVA Hills? Valfontis (talk) 03:04, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Hopefully the new version looks better. At least my excuse is I expanded the crap out of it and good writing was lost in the shuffle. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:50, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again

Thank you for updating Talk:Wage Earner Protection Program Act wikiproject law ratings. Ottawahitech (talk) 01:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

...QRZ Edits

Hi Aboutmovies. I am not quite sure what the issue is with not having station coordinates listed. There are many instances of broadcast stations NOT listing that data. Have you been to the coordinates on FCC record to see if this particular station is physically in there? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Collins20V2 (talk • contribs) 08:04, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

List of people from Brattleboro, Vermont

Hello. Why move the stand alone list header to the talk page? The anon and casual editors that warning is meant for are not likely to visit the talk page. I police a lot of these lists for vandalism and they are high targets for it. The warning does help. Most of the editors of these sections that I've worked with put it on the front page. Dkriegls (talk) 06:38, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for the link to the consensus on that. I am on a mission to clean up Notable person lists. I put that hidden note on all embedded lists, but was using that disclaimer for stand alone List of Notable people from pages. Now I know and will switch over the 50 or so List of Pages that I have done that to. And add the hidden note instead. CheersDkriegls (talk) 04:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Requesting new article assessment

Hi. I've recently written a new bio page for Michael Shea (actor) and I was wondering if you'd do me a favor and take a glance at it when you get a chance. I just noticed that it's been rated "start-class" on the quality scale. From previous experience, I've found that most editors will rate every "new" article no higher than "start", regardless of the quality and/or sources (I've actually contacted editors about this in the past, and had them turn right around and re-assess as "C" or higher, claiming "cut & paste" mistakes, but I'm not in the mood to go through contacting the editor about it tonight). You're one of the few editors I've seen who actually takes the time to read an article before assessing (you've fairly rated several new bios I've written in the past), so I was hoping you'd take a look and give your opinion on the quality rating and re-rate if needed. If you decide it really is "start-class" then that's fine with me, but I've found that once a page is rated, it tends to stay that way for years, so I'd like to have the page rated properly by someone who's actually looked at the article, rather than just leave it listed as "start" class by someone weary from cutting & pasting a "start" rating onto dozens of article's talk pages. Thanks. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 07:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

As you likely noticed, I re-assessed as C. I think it's close to B, but just not enough non-acting content to get there. As in, 10 years out of about 60 years of life takes up about 75% of the article. Obviously that's what's notable about him, but it is a biography and more non-acting items should be fleshed out to get to B. After that, the main thing that separates B from GA is a good copy editing. BTW, I rarely read through an entire article, I skim through looking for key points to discern between stub through B, but I know what you mean about some people just through start. It's really fun then when you ask why and they can't defend their assessment. But I digress. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:44, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to take a look at the page for me. I'm pretty well acquainted with the Class assessment criteria, but it's just my own personal policy not to rate articles I've written (with the exception of removing a ridiculously overblown assessment by an unqualified editor on a page where I may have fixed a few typos). And I agree - this page is in the "C" category. From experience, I've found a "C-class" rating is about as high as any former child star is ever going to get, due to a lack of reliable sources past the point of their acting careers - with the possible exception of those who become infamous/notorious (for all the wrong reasons), or the rare case where a child star attains prominence in another field (although, even then, I've found much of the content in their bios lacks inline citations). I think I'm pretty realistic regarding where the pages I've written should rate (I don't waste my time writing "stubs", but I can recognize when an article about a subject from 30 or 40 or more years ago has limited available sources and only rates as "start" due to lack of online coverage). What gets me is when an article I've written has a source for every single sentence and gets a "start" rating from someone who hasn't even taken the time to really look at the page. I've found that most editors rating new articles are basically just tagging "start" as a "place-holder" to keep the page from being speedily deleted. And I understand rating new articles can be tedious/monotonous to review (I'm sure it's probably true that 90% of "new" articles are either "stubs" or "starts"), but I'm one of the few who works in a sandbox to get an article into decent shape before I create the page, so it just gets on my nerves when editors are too busy to take 5 minutes to look at an article before they rate it. If that's the case then I'd honestly prefer they not undertake the rating process at all, since - like I said before - once a page is rated, the rating tends to not be re-evaluated for another 3 or 4 or more years (with the exception of current superstars whose pages are getting an extraordinary amount of traffic). Anyway - Thanks again for taking the time to give your assessment. I appreciate it.--- Crakkerjakk (talk) 05:19, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Virginia Garcia Memorial Health Center

Orlady (talk) 16:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Requesting new article assessment

Hi. Sorry to bother you again. I've just finished a bio for Lu Ann Haslam. It hasn't been rated yet (as of the writing of this message) so I was hoping you'd take a look and give it your assessment. It's not all that extensive, so I don't have any high hopes for a high rating, but I just wanted to drop a note to ask if you'd take a glance if/when you get a chance. Thanks. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 09:30, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look at the Lu Ann Haslam article for me. I just finished rewriting the bio for the Schultz twins, Keith and Kevin Schultz. I'd like to get that one assessed too if you find a few minutes. Thanks again. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 08:51, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

FYI, if you look at the unassessed bios category I pretty much clear out the sub cats for all those that are either empty or with only a few articles in them. I am slowly working through sports one and hope to finish by the end of the year, leaving only the musicians. The point being, no need to notify me if your new articles are in one of those subs. Aboutmovies (talk) 17:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Leatherman

Hello Aboutmovies,

As a wikipedia fan and long time user, but never an editor, this is indeed new to me.

As an employee of Leatherman, when I saw that there were multiple factual errors as well as questionable inclusions in the entry, I decided to edit it. Because I am an employee, I need to take care with both sides: Only adding information that is correct by them as well as neutral to Wiki standards.

What was wrong with the edit I made?

Disclosure: While I am an employee, I work in the die shop and am unconnected with sales or marketing. I did this to improve the entry of the company I now work for. When the present entry has stood for months with an incorrect number of employees as well as prominent display of lines of tooling as current that were retired in 2010 or sooner, I believe it has issues that need fixing. As it stands now this entry is factually incorrect.

WireEDMguy 11:40, 19 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WireEDMguy (talk • contribs)

Hello and thanks greatly for the helpful comments. As I was really excited about my very first edit to a subject so close to me, this is especially appreciated. I'll keep working at it until it meets the standards. Thanks again. R.H. WireEDMguy 17:22, 21 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WireEDMguy (talk • contribs)

Hell no, we won't nestle in Corvallis

Thanks for the reversion. Valfontis (talk) 14:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

It's catching on. --Esprqii (talk) 17:01, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

But what about "Hell no, we hate Comic Sans?" Valfontis (talk) 17:52, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I had the same thought but that was my only option. --Esprqii (talk) 17:53, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I think in Corvallis you're supposed to use Papyrus. Valfontis (talk) 18:00, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

What really chapped my hide is they refused to recognize the Oregon Coast as a distinct REGION!!!!!!!!!!! Aboutmovies (talk) 00:21, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

WP Biography work projects

FYI... I've been noticing that you are adding a&e-work-group to singer's talk pages, such as Talk:Vic Franklyn. These should be labeled musician-work-group. Bgwhite (talk) 07:47, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

FYI, it wasn't me. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:22, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Ah crap. Sorry about my idiotic mistake. Bgwhite (talk) 06:24, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Shute Park Aquatic & Recreation Center

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Help Finding Info On Liberian Artist

Hey, how are you! Can you assist me to find resource on Liberian artist kNERO? --Sarah 23:55, 1 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by S.Kennedy (talk • contribs)

File:Tenasys logo.gif listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Tenasys logo.gif, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. — trlkly 06:00, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!

Appreciated. First contact I have had from a serious wiki-ite. :) Excellent information you have sent also. Highly useful for a newbee such as I. Regards. Irondome (talk) 06:57, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Solar panels front at the Hillsboro Intermodal Transit Facility - Permission to use it?

Hi, Can I use the: Solar panels front at the Hillsboro Intermodal Transit Facility, image for a blog post about green initiative? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lindz123 (talk • contribs) 05:33, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Just wanted to check!