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English Vinglish

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– Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:35, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

English Vinglish (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) I noticed a user was repeatedly posting something that appears to seriously violate WP:NOR, WP:RS, and WP:NPOV (in an edit war with someone else). I have attempted to explain the issue on the talk page, but I don't think I'm getting anywhere. Help? Kerfuffler (talk) 11:56, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, wrong forum. Please read again the instructions at the top of this page and take your issue to WP:DRN. You will also need to list diffs in order to help those who will try to resolve the problem without them having to analyse all the edits for themselves. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:59, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion candidate?

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– Unionhawk ^Talk ^E-mail 14:37, 14 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, just came across the article on Nichijū . After I set yet another ref tag I noticed that the one on multiple issues had been set in February 2012. So far the article has no references except the internal wiki links. It reads as an essay reflecting personal opinion. I never set a tag for deletion before and have no experience with that would just like some others to have a look at the article if possible.--Catflap08 (talk) 20:23, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That sort of "storytelling" style is nearly always the sign of copying from elsewhere and will usually be a copyright violation. That is indeed the case in this instance, so I have reverted the article back to its pre-copyvio stub version. But to answer your original question, no, essay style is not grounds for deletion, but rather grounds for improvement. Neither is lack of references per se, although this could possibly point to more serious problems such as lack of notability, or even a hoax, both of which are valid grounds for deletion. Before nominating an article for deletion on notbility grounds, the nominator is expected to search themselves for the existence of sources. In this particular case, I think it is probable that sources would be found, hence AfD would be inappropriate. Spinning Spark 22:06, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

J... removed my translation and text from Pure Land Buddhism article

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– Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:48, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am new to wiki but I am a qualified scholar and practitioner of Buddhism and Pure Land practices. I was notified after J... removed all my edits to the Pure Land Buddhism. Everything. At first I had trouble with the formating and the bot helped on the first round of deletes but this last one was just wrong.

I checked policy and the translations even new ones by the editor and their original content are allowed even on that page you see other poster put Chinese text too. I added two other translations of the Pure Land dharani, posted in Chinese Buddhism and added two resources from my books listed on amazon. I am not promoting myself just clarifying the edit. I thought it was odd until I checked J.... talk profile to see it filled with dubious edits and mostly I just don't want to get into anything here on wiki.

What should I do? the edits I am interested in making are carefully done to add to but not detract the original articles. I'm needing to decide if it is worth my effort at all to update articles here on wiki because I now have to worry about flaming editors??!

I'm sorry your first impression is that it's not worth continuing to contribute to Wikipedia. Unfortunately there are frequent instances of WP:NPOV (point of view pushing) but the best way to address the issues is to do it the 'Buddhist way' by avoiding conflict and keeping calm. However, this is not the right forum for discussing content issues so I would suggest discussing the problems on the article talk page, and waiting for replies to any comments you have already made there. There is really only a need to report such issues if they can't be resolved through normal talk. If they can't, as a last resort you should post about a content issue at WP:DRN. Some useful help and advice on citing sources are at WP:NOR (no original research), WP:CITE (how to cite sources), and WP:RS (definitions of what we consider to be reliable sources). One policy that you must learn, is to sign your posts. Hope this helps. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:12, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm having trouble with this I signed it before and I see it is not there. I will try again. --Ven Hong Yang, Bhikshuni 03:18, 10 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by VenHongyang (talk • contribs) ok I created my userpage and now I had a chance to figure out the article talk thing. Thanks to your help! --Ven Hong Yang, Bhikshuni 03:49, 10 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by VenHongyang (talk • contribs) [reply]

where is central america there??!!!

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– Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:48, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LocationNSAm.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.176.66.130 (talk) 17:16, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't there. By the creator of the file's own explanation, this is an illustration of the division of the Americas into the two continents of North America and South America (including small regions that can be designated either way). There is by the definition of the map no place for a separate "Central America" (which, of course, is not a continent). --Orange Mike | Talk 18:23, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Leitman Bailey redux

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– Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:34, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for adding this at the bottom while a prior discussion remains on the page (up here), but the disputes around the article are becoming a bit of a morass. Matters would really benefit from just two or three extra eyes, and I think watchers of this page are more likely to notice something at the bottom.

The gist is this: From inception, the page has been plagued by COI edits by associates of the subject, most of them apparently interns at the subject's law firm. They've added CV-type promotional language, repeatedly removed maintenance templates and tried to keep any unfavorable material out of the article. Nineteen were blocked in July 2011, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Internalb/Archive. Recently an IP editor pared the article way back, only to have the edits reverted by an editor who also turned out also to be an intern. I decided that the IP went too far, and in an effort to find middle ground between the two, made several edits over several days, all documented and explained on the Talk page. I think they are sound. Nevertheless my changes met with some resistance from the intern and from a couple of newly-created SPAs, which I take to be new sock or meat puppets (and have reported them as such).

The wholesale reversions have stopped, for now, and the dispute has narrowed to one or two critical comments about the subject that I included in the article. I was able to obtain a brief block against one of the SPAs who kept removing that material along with the COI template, but it has been suggested to me that it would be a good idea to enlist the views of some third party editors in the (likely) event the dispute continues. I thought about going to WP:DRN or WP:BLPN but elected to cast my line here first. If my assessment of things is wrong, that's fine, I don't have much of a stake in the article one way or the other, beyond a desire not to capitulate to socks and SPAs just because of their persistence. The Talk page has all the background and it's not that long; but for those who want to get right to the meat of it, the most useful portions are here and here through the end of the page. (Please add your views there, rather than here.) Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 21:19, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(While I welcome any input at all, the thorniest bits are the two "critical" sentences that I added - they are reliably sourced (now x2) and not that harsh in my view; I think they're appropriately included, but of course it's a BLP and I want the article to stay on the right side of that line.) JohnInDC (talk) 21:34, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Irish Anti War Movement Page

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– Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:49, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has posted deliberate mis - information regarding our organisation, every time I edit it a there appears to be an automated programme called cluebot that reverts to the previous edit. As this is deliberate and mis leading information, what can I do about this? Lola Hynes, Secretary - Irish Anti War Movement — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lolagem (talk • contribs) 10:21, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to have been addressed now by another editor. Cluebot uses a sophisticated learning algorithm to identify vandalism, which we get a lot of here, part of which is to assign greater trust to regular editors over new editors. You can report false positives here. These reports are used to further train Cluebot.

I suspect the main thing that triggered Cluebot into action here (besides the deletion of a large portion of text) is that a reference was removed. I note that the editor who cleaned up the article has left in the referenced part. While that is negative to your organisation, it is reliably referenced and relevant. This is the reason that we do not encourage people to edit subjects with which they are associated - it is very difficult to write neutrally about yourself/your own organisation. Spinning Spark 15:06, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New entry

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– Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:50, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am the son of the author and publisher Donald Cowie, who received an obituary in the London INDEPENDENT when he died in 2006. As I have an entry myself (even if that seems to have been composed by friends), I wonder if I am allowed to create an entry for my father -- obviously submitting it to you for vetting?

Thanks

you

Peter Cowie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.199.39.127 (talk) 15:12, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your conflict-of-interest is so strong here that I would seriously advise against it. Also note that not everybody who appears in the Independent is notable as we define it here in Wikipedia. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:28, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I also note that your own article is entirely lacking in independent sources. Spinning Spark 19:47, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

An authored obituary in a major national newspaper like The Independent is generally an indication of notability. There's also an entry for him in Oxford Companion to New Zealand Literature. However, Orangemike is right in strongly cautioning you about taking it on. Perhaps what you could do is register an account and write a draft in your user space. Then ask a few outside editors to give you some advice before trying to publish it here. It will have to be written from an entirely neutral point of view (hard to do when you are close to the subject) and not contain any original research (ditto). Voceditenore (talk) 14:45, 14 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The material in the OCNZL (itself a tertiary source) is also unsourced (at least in the online version) and contains some interesting but quirky language that I'd really feel uncomfortable using in its present form. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:13, 14 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's also in print form but only in snippet view on Google Books [1]. Wording aside, I'd consider books published by Oxford University Press to be reliable sources. Voceditenore (talk) 15:24, 14 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

RE:Louis Pienaar author

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– Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:00, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, Kindly advice me who submitted louis pienaar article on wikipedia so i can get permission to use the article for my visual work!

Thanking you very much for your atention,consideration and cooperation!

Yours Sincerely signed TMSingiswa — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.185.194.17 (talk) 06:05, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You can find the list of contributors to the article from its history tab. However, you do not need to seek anyone's permission provided that you comply with the Creative Commons Licence. Spinning Spark 06:36, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

an editor is removing my edits for no good reason then making threats

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– Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:38, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I made proper and correct changes and the editor rejected them. I made another attempt and again the editor rejected them and made a threat of banning me. I KNOW the people and their notoriety as citizens and they are legit. What do I do to stop the editor acting like this. Instead of threats can I have some help. Very unprofessional of your editor and quite bully like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.30.35.193 (talk) 03:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You added unsourced material to an article, then added improperly sourced material to an article. Personal knowledge is not verifiable for other editors is not a reliable source (you may read the reliable sourcing guidelines here). Just existing does not make a person notable enough to be included, there has to be multiple secondary sources unaffiliated with the subject discussing them in depth and not trivially (you may view the notability guidelines here). He's not "our" editor, and are no professional editors here, we're all volunteers. By attempting to edit the page, you are in the same club as him.

Right below the "Save Page" button is the text "If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." This includes removal.

The message he left you was a template warning which did link to the policy on verifiability and citing sources. It's standard practice, though I would've started with a uw2 instead of a uw3. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:48, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:BRD which explains how you should proceed if you are reverted. Instead of repeatedly inserting material, you should be discussing on the talk page of the article or the other editor. Administrators can and do block people for edit warring in articles. It will make no difference whether or not you are in the right, it is the disruption on the public facing page that we do not like. Spinning Spark 05:43, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Leukemia

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– IP was informed on their tp that this request was responded to. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:32, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On reading the names of people who died from leukemia and my husband\ is not on your list He was a noted East Coast Comedian and worked with many super stars and was the only comic who ever entertained at the Waldorf Astoria in N.Y. He worked at the N.Y Mountains. The Pocono Mountains the Latin Casino, Palumbos and many famous night clubs.He entertained the troops in WW2 with a whole show. He had his on t.v show and entertained on the Mike Douglas show and the Joey Bishop show. He worked in the Casinos in Atlantic City. He received a medal from the Masons and made a member. He entertained on all the cruise ships and went around around the world. He died of Leukemia in 1999. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.216.160.112 (talk) 17:57, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You have not said who your husband is. What article are you reading? We do not have a list of sufferers in the leukemia article (nor, in general, do we do that for any other disease). I suspect you were looking at a page that is not part of Wikipedia. Spinning Spark 18:12, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My name is Bernice Golden and I am his Wife. His real name was Sydney Golden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.216.160.112 (talk) 18:02, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What name did he perform under? Is there an article here about him? --Orange Mike | Talk 18:17, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

iMDsoft article creation - need some suggestions

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– Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:41, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Any suggestion what I should do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/iMDsoft

I did really work hard on this one, working out all past issues !!! Finally content is fine, but now sources seems to be the problem - which wasnt the case before. So now im really clueless!!!

Thanks Alinette — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alinette (talk • contribs) 12:04, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This would be better suited in Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk, but in summary, it doesn't look like the references contain enough information about iMDsoft. WP:42 is a handy quick guide for what are suitable references, but in summary, each one needs to talk specifically about iMDsoft, or at least devote several paragraphs to it. Most references you have given either don't mention iMDsoft at all, or devote no more than a single sentence. Only the last reference here has anything to do with iMDsoft, but that isn't enough to sustain notability on its own. By the way, don't forget to sign your edits - it will stop SineBot putting "preceding unsigned comment" next to what you write. --Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:51, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

KUXL

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– Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:42, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, It has been difficult just to get an email to someone. I had the pleasure of working for KUXL from 1977-1985 and 1988-89, including as its Program Director from 1981-1985 (when I took the station to 24/7 operation and a Contemporary Christian Music lean, and Operations Manager from 1988-89, when it was sold by Universal Broadcasting. How do I update, add, and occasionally correct her story? 1570 was a unique and special radio station. She was, as General Manager John McCooley called her, "the voice of the voiceless." Rob Marshall Hackett, former PD/OM, KUXL ^{[details removed]} — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.162.59.31 (talk) 02:28, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you have reliable sources to support the changes or additions that you wish to make, please discuss them at Talk:KYCR. Note, though, that personal knowledge and reminiscences alone are not reliable sources.--ukexpat (talk) 14:54, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Robert-Watson Watt

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– Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:01, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello:

I desperately need someone's help due to being legally blind. I am trying to view the Robert-Watson Watt article on World War 2. He was from Brechin Angus Scotland, this is wear my Grandfather lived also when he was called up in World War 2. This site is amazing however I have difficulty as I have to use a merlinn and enlarge font in order to view. Can someone help me please. My Grandfather was an engineer/mechanic. He is shown as an Instructor under the RAF in an Almanac in his nometown Brechin Library. I believe the RAF utilized his skilled background I have been told he was responsible for the barrage balloon and was stationed in Blackpool. In research I have found there was 2 training camps there. This is site is very interesting however to much for me. Can someone help me please? I am sure his name could be found on this site. Look forward to hearing from someone. I have a good friend typing this for me.

All the best Gail Watson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.237.59.138 (talk) 19:19, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are you just trying to find the article? Follow this link Robert Watson-Watt. The article does not mention barrage balloons. Spinning Spark 23:06, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

de:Charles Oscar Brink

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– Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:02, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article is on GERMAN Wikipedia only - can it be translated and put onto ENGLISH Wikipedia?

2.24.34.56 (talk) 19:25, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To request an article translation you should go to Wikipedia:Translation and follow the instructions there. Spinning Spark 23:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ed Arnold

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– Foo. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are TWO Ed Arnolds, BOTH in radio. on opposite sides of the country. Needless to say, I am the other and I would like to know how to share this page.

The directions on the page, if looking for a person of the same name, is to check Edward Arnold. That is not my name!

What can we do?

Thanks!71.16.31.66 (talk) 16:24, 24 September 2012 (UTC)Ed Arnold[reply]

There are a couple of issues. Are you notable enough to have an article here? Is the other guy, the one in California? How does the industry distinguish the two of you from each other? Are you aware of how strongly we discourage people from writing about themselves? --Orange Mike | Talk 17:13, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Persistent linkspam to IQSdirectory

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– Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:43, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Today I noticed a linkspam on my watchlist, at the Linear actuator article. Investigation shows the same conduct over other articles in the field via multiple accounts going back several years. See USER:Ipsomatic9, USER:Rebekahpedia, USER:Industman, USER:Deirdre163, and USER:Industrialinfo. There is prior talk way back in the stoneage here. The link in question is iqsdirectory.com. Could anyone skilled in these matters help determine if something is amiss or if I'm being paranoid? Thanks! Krushia (talk) 19:46, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See the Requests for listing section at WP:BLACKLIST.--ukexpat (talk) 20:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Listed Spinning Spark 22:12, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gilbert Stuart article

Unresolved

– Wrong forum Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:48, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Closed. Please take it to another forum. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:48, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

An editor wished to remove a section from a well established article. After discussing the topic with the editor on his talk page, I found I could no longer rely on his good faith postings. An edit war appears in the offing. I would appreciate any help I can find on this and believe the article should be frozen until this dispute is ended. Thanks.Breschard (talk) 20:46, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

An edit war is more than in the offing, you are clearly taking part in one, which is not good. Why is this dispute everywhere except on the talk page of the article to which it relates? That is the first place it should be opened. Looking for outside intervention should only happen if it cannot be resolved there. Spinning Spark 21:23, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You're quite right. Perhaps I should have addressed the initial edit there instead of on the editor's talk page. I'm not sure how to resolve the problem at this point. For myself, I can no longer assume good faith on the part of the other editor. Breschard (talk) 21:38, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I just put up a request for comments regarding removing the Controversy section on the GS talk page. Better late than never I guess.Breschard (talk) 21:46, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you are trying to open a formal WP:Request for comment (as opposed to just starting a discussion thread) you need to follow that link and place the template on the page as instructed. Spinning Spark 22:16, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid the discussion on the Gilbert Stuart talk page has gotten out of control and what I can only describe as "gang" activity appears to be taking place. Editors with previous social relationships with other editors are trying to pass themselves off as independent agents while another editor has "shouted out" to another group page for aid from his friends. There is a COI charge against me, which although reasonable on its face is not supported by any evidence in my edits. It's appears to me to be out of control.Breschard (talk) 00:15, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am an editor here - 78K edits strong, I'm not passing myself off as anything other than that, in addition I've edited visual arts articles for many years. Breschard's conflict of interest is both obvious and clear, he seems to also have a heavy case of WP:OWNERSHIP...Modernist (talk) 01:28, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, I've begun a discussion here [2], with a link to the Stuart talk page. As for accusations of collusion, WP:BOOMERANG. JNW (talk) 00:22, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For the record this editor made this claim I agree with the original editor who created this section. [3] When in fact it was created by him [4], he went on to say Since the “Controversy” section was created, over five years ago, the Stuart article has been edited around 300 times. Many, many editors have given it tacit approval at the very least. I replied: With all due respect you must be kidding - you are the one who actually added the material [5] - the other editor simply sectioned the article with headings [6]...Modernist (talk) 01:22, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do not find the position of Breschard constructive. They seem to be still an unexperienced editor with a clear COI, and may be someone cound advise them how such cases are handled.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:25, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's enough now, folks. WP:Dispute Resolution is thataway - please see the instructions at the top of the page. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:38, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Kern Valley High

Many students at Kern Valley High have facebook pages which list them in Tioga, Louisiana. I guarantee most people here in Kern County, California, will never go to Louisiana. Thanks in advance for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Claireeileen (talk • contribs) 00:06, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is entirely unclear what you are asking. I can't see any reference in our article to either Louisiana or FaceBook. Or are you under the misapprehension that Wikipedia is in some way connected with FaceBook? We aren't... AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:53, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We frequently get such posts at Wikipedia:Help desk so I happen to know what it's about. Most of http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kern-Valley-High-School/112964905384219 was copied from the Wikipedia article Kern Valley High School. The Facebook page claims the location is "Tioga, Louisiana" while Wikipedia correctly says Lake Isabella, California. This is Facebook's error and unfortunately not something we are able to help with. It may sound odd that we blame Facebook when their page says: "Description above from the Wikipedia article Kern Valley High School". Note however that this only applies to the part with heading "Description". The alleged location in other parts of the page is inserted by Facebook and not taken from Wikipedia. I don't know how Facebook generates location information but they sometimes get it wrong.

Facebook community pages may incorporate content from Wikipedia—such use complies with Wikipedia policies on reuse of content. We at Wikipedia have no control over how the content is included nor can we help to remove it. Facebook does have a topic on Community pages and profile connections on their Help Center. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:06, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification if an article violates WP:CSD G3 & A7

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– Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:05, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Status: I had tagged the article under WP:CSD G3 & A7, But an editor seems to have a different POV and has reverted.

I had reverted the changes and posted on the editor's talk page informing about the same

He reverted back the WP:CSD stating it does't fall under A7 or G3.

I have replied on the editor's talk page with my reason and an invite to discuss the conflict of POV as I don't want WP:EW

My question: Am I right in tagging the article WP:CSD or have I made a mistake.

Thanks in advance! Nithin (talk) 18:04, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article has many problems, but there is no evidence that it is vandalism and "leading manufacturer and supplier of Soda and Potash Feldspar in Bhilwara" is at least a claim of significance or importance. It will probably be deleted in due course as an unsourced BLP so I wouldn't worry to much about it.--ukexpat (talk) 18:11, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed & Thanks for your input! Nithin (talk) 19:25, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taiko&diff=prev&oldid=508765304

Tamashii Daiko has been taken off the UK list of Taiko Groups?

Considering that Liz Walters was an original member of Mugenkyo as was Mark Alcock that set up Taiko Meantime. Liz Walters a professional Taiko player and teacher of Taiko set up Tamashii Daiko in March 2000 Before this she toured with Joji Hirota.

Her Bio can be seen at www.tamashiidaiko.com

I believe that her group is a part of the history of UK taiko and I am intrigued as to who and why it has been deleted from the list of 'Notable current groups'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Taikojan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taikojan (talk • contribs) 20:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The edit was done by an anonymous IP without giving a reason. It is the only edit they have ever done so I don't think their is much hope of getting a response from them now. I suggest that you raise the issue on the article talk page. If there are no objections within a reaonable time, a week say, then it can be put back in. Ideally, a reliable source to verify the claims should be added at the same time. I note that the original reference does not say anything about UK groups or mention any of the ones named in the article. It is therefore useless even if it could be considered reliable. Spinning Spark 21:07, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alphonso Jackson BLP

I inquired about an anonymous editor who edited the BLP for Alphonso Jackson. The anon added a section entitled Minorities and Government Programs which seems to have a racial overtone. Anon, also included a section on a personnel issue(Richard Mallory) a former HUD employee,without all cites being available for review; question, should such an allegation be listed in a BLP? Furthermore, the anon editor deleted photos from the BLP. Other BLPs for Cabinet members included photos,why anon would delete photos for Jackson-unsure. Anon alo described an organization, the National Black Chamber of Commerce as being conservative, that description is not in the article cited. There was also a misrepresentation by anon regarding Jackson and the government contracting issues. Chicago Sun Times, Citation 7, HUD Says Secretary's Political Contracting Tale Untrue did not state that Jackson said anything about this is " How DC works", a HUD staffer made that comment.

I understand the need to present an unbiased BLP, therefore, I did not edit anon's recent revert edits on the dated controversial issues regarding Jackson. Yet, I included cited information regarding the same issues. Should only negative information be included in BLPs? Who is entitled to use only the facts they deemed essential? Anon in the talk to me, stated, " I should be ashamed of myself and called my edits, promotional crap. I thought personal attacks are not condoned by Wikipedia, nor would I personally attack someone who is insistent on editting from their point of view.

In conclusion, although anon accuses me of bias, in my opinion, that label could be said about them.

Thank-you for your assistance, TtelloucTtellouc (talk) 22:19, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is the wrong forum for your complaint - please see our page header. That said, taking WP:UNDUE into consideration, any amount of (non promotional) positive or (non libelous) negative content can be included as long as it is correctly sourced per WP:RS and verifiable per WP:V - we don't express our own opinions in Wikipedia articles. Photos must be correctly licenced or permission to use them has been submitted to Wikipedia, but photos and/or images that are clearly in the USA public domain are permitted. Please resolve your issues by starting a discussion on the article's talk page. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:39, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The meaning of the word Bolg

Talk:Fir_Bolg#Belg / Bolg Means Lightning or Thunder In this article, I chose not to edit because it seems some people get angry when you alter their topics contradicting their views. Wikipedia is supposed to be a source for learning and sharing information. If you research the name Bolg, you find it links to the Belgae and in turn, it links to their god Bolgios / Belgios, a god of light and lightning as being where the Belgae got their name. Now, if the Belgae got their name from a lightning god named Bolgios and the Fir Bolg got their name from the Belgae as numerous articles claim, if the Celtic ancestors of the Belgae came from peoples who invaded Greece and were eventually repelled proven by historic documents right here on Wikipedia itself Bolgios and we see the name used in almost identical fashion Gáe Bulg where Bolg means something altogether different, then there is reason for disputing the origin given in this article Fir bolg meaning Men of Bags because the Irish word Bolg means bag... but that's what the name came to mean after the Belgae had been there for centuries and came into use as bag only after the Christian conquest. The name Bolg is always in relation to the word "spear" and spear were always used in reference to mythological lightning bolts across most of Europe in antiquity. There are many articles across the internet proving these facts where the reference to the word Bolg meaning Bag is hypothetical in reference to people who were enslaved carrying bags of dirt as there is no proof to back that theory at all and is contradicted by the actual history found right here on Wikipedia in numerous articles about the history of the Belgium and it's ancient peoples.

I did not edit the article myself and the neutrality of what has been posted is definately in question. Why did I not edit the article? Because everyone I know tells me their edits are removed and people who author these articles harass them for daring to edit the article. I respect Wiki and do not wish to deal with possible conflict when I only asked for further research into the matter.

Armorbeast (talk) 18:40, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This page for assisting editors in editing. If you don't want to edit we can't help you (although we can give you advice where to find dispute resolution if that is what you need). The talk page of the article is the right place to thrash out this issue and you have already opened a conversation there. Ultimately, content on Wikipedia is determined by the contents of reliable sources and finding suitable ones is the first place to start. Spinning Spark 20:15, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First article about art deleted

Hello,

My nick is edward_onwiki and my first article on Wikipedia was title "Render art", a disciple inside the Computer Arts realm. Basically it is a term that define those forms of computer arts created by render programs.

Although I found my definition was correct and unbiased, today I've seen my page has been deleted. The reason is described as (A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content): essay, OR, no sources). I don't know what does it means that "no explanation of the subject's significance". Maybe you could help me.

If there is the lack of something (external sources, external links, etc) I can manage to add it, I just need to know what is missing and how to include it.

Below I'm pasting the content of the article. If you could help me a bit with it (or even modify and paste the article for me) it would be very appreciated.

As you can see, at the bottom of the article I've listed some of the most highlighted artist of Render art. Maybe the deletion came by this reason (listing names of individuals). If you think this were the reason, we can remove the list without any problem (or you can remove it, if you dare).

I think that the best place for the article to be linked were in the Computer art article and on the Digital art article (among the other disciplines listed there).

Below I'm pasting the content of the article. Let me know what do you think.

And thank you for your help.

--Edward onwiki (talk) 08:10, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Render art

In fine arts, one of the disciplines of digital art in which the render process plays a crucial role or represents the the ultimate output. In 3D computer generated graphics, the render process is the final computational step, during which the computer calculates the materials, lights and shadows from the description of a 3D scene, and transform all that geometric, materials, lighting and environment information into a 2D image. This process determines the final quality and style of the resulting image. See also Rendering (computer graphics) and 3D rendering. Depending on the rendering software, it could be a time consuming process, and in some sense it has certain similarities with the developing process on photography (both being a final step that takes a raw information and transforms it to a single 2D image). Rendering has a lot of applications in many industries: from architectural visualization or product design, to scientific visualization, video games, animation or film making. So, render art defines the artistic discipline that uses this computational process with the aim of creating a piece of art.

The final format of the artwork could be an still image, an animation or an interactive experience, thus it can be printed, displayed on a monitor or projected, as any other form of digital art.

In render art, styles vary from cartoon to photorealism, or even abstraction.

Some highlighted render artists:

- Gero Gries - Eelco Brand - Golan Levin - David Em - William Latham - Gerhard Mantz - Studer / van der Berg

--Edward onwiki (talk) 08:10, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I see that the deleting administrator used the wrong reason. A7 doesn't apply in these cases. The real reason it was deleted was that it duplicated the subject of an existing article. I imagine that would be Artistic rendering. I suggest you incorporate your material into that article, but make sure that you provide reliable published sources as references for what you've added. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 08:27, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Voceditenore, Thank you for your swift response. I agree that maybe the deletion reason was because of that page about Artistic rendering, and although they may think it was the same, this is not the same as Render art, just like Software art (a piece of art that is a software) is not the same as Artistic software (that would be i.e. Photoshop). They are completely different concepts. While rendering can be artistic or not (it is just a description of its quality or style), Render art is an art discipline itself (just like Interactive art or Fractal art). What do you recommend me to clarify this issue? Could not exist a different entry for Render art (aside from the Artistic art)?

In addition to that, if my article needs external sources, where do I add them? In a References section?

Thank you very much ; )

--Edward onwiki (talk) 09:32, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing is very important on Wikipedia and goes a long way to protecting an article from deletion. References, ideally, should be inline with the text that they verify. If you wish, you can group then in a bibliography section at the end, but you should still have short (Harvard style) inline citations in the text. You should read WP:reliable sources to understand what we accept as reliable sources and WP:CITE for how to present them in the article.

It is acceptable to create a new article at the same name as long as it is not substantially the same as the deleted article. But a new well-referenced article would be ok. I note that the list of artists was removed from the article by another editor before it was deleted. This was probably notability concerns. If those artists have Wikipedia articles wikilinking to them would be enough. Otherwise, reliable sources discussing them are required.

Alternatively, we have a formal process for reviewing deletions. If you wish, you can ask for the article to be undeleted at WP:DRV, but probably producing a better article addressing the objections would be a better way to go. Spinning Spark 09:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

One furhter piece of advice. The opening paragraph should clearly define its scope, disambiguate itself from Artistic rendering, and wikilink to that article. This would head off the issue you ran into this time. Spinning Spark 09:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was asked to comment here as deleting admin, I don't mind restoring if by speedy was out of process, although I think it would be better if the article was recreated from scratch following the guidance above. Let me know if you want me to restore, but note that I'll be away for a couple of days Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:39, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can see what you're getting at, Edward. I'd suggest you work on your article as a draft in user space to get it really polished, with links to other Wikipedia articles were appropriate, a clear statement in the lede section (opening paragraph) as suggested by Spinningspark, and plenty of references. To write drafts in user space, click on "My sandbox" at the top right-hand side of any Wikipedia page, add your text, and click save. You can then use the page to work on the article before moving it into article space. And, you can get opinions and help from other editors with your draft. Also, I tried wikilinking the artists you mentioned above. As you can see, Golan Levin, David Em, and William Latham have Wikipedia articles and there are plenty of sources available for the remaining ones to be mentioned in in the article. See:

Studer/van der Berg:[7], [8]
Gero Gries: [9]
Gerhard Mantz: [10]
Eelco Brand [11]

-Voceditenore (talk) 10:42, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you all. I'll do what you suggest: I'll re-write the page in my Sandbox, get more references, and ask for your supervision when it gets ready. Thanks!

--Edward onwiki (talk) 12:16, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How to change my article title

How to change my article title: I would like to change my article title from "List of outdoorsmen and outdoor educators" to "List of outdoor exponents and outdoor educators". How do I do it? --Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 03:44, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Oliver. Pages can be moved to new titles by using the "move" link at the top of the page. In regards to this title, are you sure "outdoor exponents" is the best title? What is the dominant descriptor in the sources you have used? The Interior (Talk) 03:51, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Primary Sources for Bibliography

There seems to be some disagreement about this - but what are peoples thoughts on whether primary sources can be used for including basic bibliographical information on, say, an author's wikipedia article? Thanks! PermanentVacay (talk) 21:48, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]