User talk:Orlady

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WikiProject Appalachia

Orlady, thank you for extending the opportunity to participate in WikiProject Appalachia. While I've resided nearby in D.C. for many years now, I still travel quite frequently and widely throughout Appalachia and my native state of West Virginia. It's a very misunderstood region, and it's been one of my goals since joining Wikipedia in 2005 to contribute as much information about the accomplishments, culture, and history of Appalachia and its people, especially West Virginia, as I can. Please keep me posted on any future initiatives or projects. Thanks again! -- Caponer (talk) 02:35, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

AfD on Jackie Devereaux

Hello. Thanks for your quick response on Jackie. Please solve a puzzle for me. The AfD shows transclusion from Project Utah. I can't figure out how they would be interested. Along the same lines, is there a way to get a similar transclusion for Project California? This transclusion stuff is a mystery to me (except to say I was prohibited from ever dating one in high school!) Best regards. – S. Rich (talk) 01:06, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

ARGH! Somehow I had it my head that she was in Utah. I fixed that. The AfD is now correctly listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/California. For future reference, the geographic and topical pages at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting are useful for alerting people to AfDs and proposed deletions in their areas of interest. --Orlady (talk) 04:02, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Project Lead the Way

Carabinieri (talk) 08:03, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Sweetwater Creek

You may want to read this regarding the creek's name. I originally had that as the source of the town's name, when, embarrassingly, the WBIR article was published. Bms4880 (talk) 19:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Wow! I'd better go fix that one! Thanks much! --Orlady (talk) 19:47, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Also, I'm not sure if Craighead Caverns is in the creek's watershed, but if so, it might be worth a mention. Bms4880 (talk) 20:40, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I checked that already. It's on the ridge that forms the watershed divide, basically on the other side of the ridgetop from Sweetwater (i.e., on the Madisonville side of the ridge). Without tracer studies, you can't be sure what the groundwater does up there, but based on topography it is more likely to be in the watershed of the stream on the other side of the divide. Also, the southeast side of the ridge is downdip geologically, which is the more likely direction of flow. Furthermore, it's not mentioned in the USGS groundwater study for Sweetwater Valley. All things considered, I don't think there's any basis for mentioning it in the article. --Orlady (talk) 21:02, 18 February 2013 (UTC) And after writing that, I took another look at the geologic cross-section in that geologic report. It strengthens my impression that the Lost Sea is in the other watershed. That's because there's shale between the caverns and the Sweetwater Valley. --Orlady (talk) 21:07, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	There was no teaching Barnstar, per se, but I wanted to say thanks. WV counties is a FL now, and that could NOT have happened without your help, and yes, your teaching me the ropes, MANY thanks! Coal town guy (talk) 21:32, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Good work

Hey, good work improving Darkhorse Theater. I'm heavily involved in the shows there, so I'll try to get a decent photo of the building sometime soon. EVula // talk // ☯ // 06:06, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Charles-Auguste Lebourg at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; see step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with {{db-g7}}, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 08:15, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Strange. That DYK already ran on the main page. Apparently something went wrong in its closure, so I closed it again. --Orlady (talk) 17:12, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Strange editors/edits

Hi Orlady. I noticed you were around, so I hope you don't mind me asking about this. Can you take a look at Jesus Chameleon, User:Jesus Chameleon/sandbox, and the contribs of this IP? I'm too tired to figure this out at the moment, but I just reverted a vandal edit by the IP here having to do with this Jesus Chameleon user/? This looks like it may be a good-sized hoax to me. I'd look at this myself but I was just about to go to bed when I noticed the weird edit to wp:poetry and saw the rest. Thanks for your time. INeverCry 06:15, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Phew! I did some cleanup. I will have to wait for the bright light of morning to see what needs to be done next. --Orlady (talk) 06:43, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I was completely bleary-eyed last night when I first saw this. Here's some more weirdness that this person has created. Here's another IP he's used to edit the same few pages and leave a weird message on the main account's talkpage. The main account's last edit is in keeping with the crazy bit. I wonder if the sandbox and the AFC shouldn't be deleted as self-promotion? INeverCry 15:49, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I was also rather bleary-eyed when I saw your message, so I didn't do much. I think (and you apparently agree) that this is a self-promotion article by someone with an unusual self-concept. The Jesus Chameleon article saw some edit warring during our night and ended being speedy-deleted. One IP was blocked for 12 hours, but the user is likely to return soon. I haven't yet delved into the other edits that occurred during our night. --Orlady (talk) 15:56, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Update... I deleted the AFC that had the same content as the others, but a title that appears to be a real human name. This page is still here, but I completely blanked its talk page. More drastic action may be in order, but I guess I'm still a little bit curious to see if this person reappears and has something coherent to say. I believe it's nighttime where the IP is located, so it probably will be a while before that happens. --Orlady (talk) 16:12, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't know how much it would help, but that IP could be re-blocked for a bit longer if necessary as it's obviously a sock of User:Jesus Chameleon and has been used to edit war and vandalise the wp:poetry page. I've deleted the 2 personal artworks on Commons. This same IP edits the Jesus Chameleon page and his uploads on Commons, so I don't doubt there the same editor. INeverCry 16:25, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Good point. There is no prohibition on a registered user editing while logged out, but these IPs have pretended to be someone else, which is not permitted. Glad to know that you deleted those images at Commons. --Orlady (talk) 17:49, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Original Church of God or Sanctified Church

Hey, Orlady, would you take a look at this edit? A SPA editor keeps flipping it. I was hoping that you might have access to either the Melton or the Jones reference. When I wrote the article, those sources were available online but now they're not and I don't have access to them elsewhere to prove that they say — I don't recall which one, now — that it's the way I originally wrote it. I don't want to get into an EW with the SPA and I figure a direct quote will fix it, but I can't get one. Can you, perhaps? Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 22:55, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for writing. I couldn't tell where that fact came from, and when I didn't find it in Melton (which I accessed via HighBeam Research), I began to wonder if there was a basis for it. I have snippet access to Jones on Google Books, and I managed to get a snippet view of some relevant text. It says Gray "frowned upon" the ordination of women. I guess I'll go correct the article and provide additional documentaion of the source for that fact. --Orlady (talk) 05:47, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. That, indeed, sounds familiar and I think you've got it. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 14:20, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

One more thing. The EL you added was to the website of the church - the Church of God Sanctified, Incorporated - that the Original Church of God or Sanctified Church broke off from. If you look at their old newsletters on the site that you EL'ed, you'll find an address for them of 1230 W. Trinity Lane, Nashville, TN. That church is, I believe from web searches, now vacant and for sale and I don't think they have a single fixed headquarters any more (the most recent newsletters do not give any address at all and the website only gives a PO box). The Original Church of God or Sanctified Church, on the other hand, has for several years been headquartered at 1803 County Hospital Rd, Nashville, TN, as given on their website. There's a good deal of OR in that, but I'm sure it's right. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 22:19, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for correcting my mistake! My apologies for confusing these two. (I knew I was confused, but I didn't know what was correct and what wasn't...) For what it's worth, Melton (2009 edition and 2003 edition) has an entry about the Church of God (Sanctified Church), (at PO Box 281615, Nashville, TN 37207 in the 2009 version and at 1037 Jefferson in Nashville in 2003), but I could not find an entry for The Original Church of God or Sanctified Church. Regarding membership of that other body, both editions say "In the early 1970s the church reported 60 congregations with approximately 5,000 members." Since that's the same membership information that the Wikipedia article gives for The Original Church of God or Sanctified Church, with a citation to Melton, I thought that perhaps I had misunderstood, and perhaps the Melton entry was about this church. I got the URL from the Melton entry; I wasn't sure if it was the same church or a different one. Now that it's clarified that these are two separate churches, should the membership numbers be removed from the article? --Orlady (talk) 04:13, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Sweetwater Creek (Tennessee River)

Carabinieri (talk) 00:03, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Old Stone Congregational Church

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Rochville University - Recent Edits

Hi Orlady, you had recently removed content from Rochville University, with the given explanation: "removed content that was misrepresented; the cited source was not focused on Rochville, but is about diploma mills in general." However, the source article was in fact specifically about Rochville University. You’re right in that Wilson, the author of the article, does talk about diploma mills in general, and lists “tell-tale warning signs” on how to avoid them. However, she uses Rochville University as a specific example in each of the instances that she discusses. Those instances, with the specific mention of Rochville University in each case, is what you removed from the article. Wilson’s evidence substantiates the claim that Rochville University is a diploma mill. Please justify removing the specific mentions of Rochville University. Thanks. --Agfys (talk) 22:43, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

The deal is that we need to be careful with how we represent information. Articles about outfits like Rochville are often contentious (users pop up on a regular basis to defend them as marvelous institutions and attack anyone who says otherwise), so we need to be particular careful not to misrepresent information. Look again at that article. It does not provide authoritative information about Rochville; rather, it uses Rochville's website as an example of how to use some widely published advice in evaluating whether an online school is likely to be a diploma mill. The fact that Rochville's website was used as an example does not make the discussion a source of reliable information about Rochville.

Additionally, there were more issues with the Wilson content than I had time to deal with when I made the edits you wrote about here. Mostly, I'm not convinced this is a [{WP:RS|reliable source]]. Now that I've dug into the site, I think it may be a reliable source for topics related to MBAs (I'm not sure), but I don't see evidence that it's a reliable source on the subject of diploma mills. --Orlady (talk) 05:14, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

You've also stated that www.diplomamillscam.com is not a reliable source, and removed material cited from that source. However, this website is run by Coalition for Advocates of Online Education, 5301 Delorimier, suite 101, Montreal, Quebec, Canada H2H 2C1. This is a consumer rights advocacy group. It's no different than the investigative news team referenced elsewhere in the article. I believe that it does comply with WP:IRS. --Agfys (talk) 23:07, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Actually, never mind; I retract this paragraph. There is abundant information on the Kureshi case, and it can be easily obtained from more legitimate sources than a Canadian advocacy group. -- Agfys (talk) 23:28, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Cool. Also, please try to remember that articles like this one don't exist to expose scams, much as we might sometimes want to do that. We need to dispassionately present information from reliable sources. Absence of an abundance of reliable sources would not be justification for accepting unreliable sources. Particularly when dealing with sensitive topics like alleged "diploma mills" (a term which, by the way, has a history of leading to libel suits), if we aren't satisfied that a piece of information isn't reliably sourced, we can't include that information. Regardless of the article topic, be careful not to use legally and emotionally loaded terms like "fraudulent" to characterize an article's topic unless you can back up that word with a solid indication that it is a valid description from a reliable source (in the example of "fraudulent", that the subject of the article is reliably reported to have been convicted of fraud).

A couple more bits of advice... (1) I detect a journalistic style in your writing -- verbiage like "According to Nicole Wilson of Top MBA Connect, an organization which ranks MBA programs in the United States..." is more characteristic of newspaper or magazine writing than it is of encyclopedia writing. Many of us come to wikipedia with that writing style; don't be surprised when your words get edited by another user to make them more encyclopedic -- you'll get the hang of it sooner or later. (2) When citing a news item, try to include the publication date in your reference citation, not just your accessdate. (Actually, the publication date is more important than the accessdate.) (3) You can use the "ref name" format to combine multiple reference citations to the same item, so all will carry the same note. You'll find examples of that format in almost every article. --Orlady (talk) 05:14, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Need your eyes

The next goal, List of Wisconsin Counties to FL...Problem, I need a set of eyes to look at one thing: please. Wisconsin has 5 renamed counties and 1 proposed. This I did not know. In fact, there are undiscovered peoples on this planet, who have a knowledge base about Wisconsin that exceeds mine. Could you, pretty please with sugar on top, look at the able for the renamed and proposed counties and tell me what you think?? I have the refs, which I will add. BUT, you would be able to look and say, hey you didnt etc etc or hey you did etc etc. Also, I need to change the refs to Google books, I own one of them, not all. I am in the process of getting the regular table up to speed as well with the help of some great folksCoal town guy (talk) 15:50, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

I was going to suggest Royalbroil and RFD as collaborators with local knowledge -- and extensive knowledge of Wikipedia. However, it looks like both of them are already engaged with efforts to bring the article to FL class.

I took a quick look at List of counties in Wisconsin. One thing I noticed was apparent inconsistency in format of the reference citations. I'll look more later. --Orlady (talk) 19:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

GROOVY, they do indeed know their stuff. I appreciate your help, I am very pleased with the group effort. I have 4 more states on my radar, I am trying to get a category as good or featured US Counties of course......I really got into learning about Battle Ax County. THAT is a cool name...IMO. Learning as much as I canCoal town guy (talk) 20:02, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Question about Davy Crockett semi-protection

I think maybe I don't under semi-protection status, so maybe you can clarify for me. By the way, thank you so much for semi-protecting Davy Crockett. The article was edited today by User:Kgrad, redlink user. It looks like the edits were good edits. However, as far as I can tell, this user is not autoconfirmed. In fact, that user page was deleted in 2010, and that user has just continued as a redlink editor. I'm not indicating there is anything wrong with this editor. But if this one can edit Davy Crockett, what about vandals? IMO, the absolutely worst and most total junk on that article came from a redlink editor several years ago. And I think the talk page has lately attracted a fringe element looking to vent, but I see that the talk page is not automatically protected along with the article itself. I guess I don't understand the protection level. Can you help me understand it? — Maile (talk) 19:24, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi. The semi-protection on that page seems to be working like it's supposed to. Kgrad doesn't have a user page (that's all that the redlink indicates), but the user has been around for several years and is autoconfirmed. See Special:Contributions/Kgrad for the edit history.

As for the talk page, it's only in very rare circumstances that an article's talk page gets protected. The idea is that non-autoconfirmed users should be given an opportunity to suggest changes for the article. --Orlady (talk) 20:23, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Sam Boaz

Hi-I started an article about Sam Boaz. He died recently and had served in the Tennessee Legislature and was a judge. You are more knowledgable about Tennessee politics then I would be. Sam Boaz was also an United States diplomat so he was an interesting man. You may want to look at the article. Thanks-RFD (talk) 20:01, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

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Your and our --Tito Dutta (contact) 15:44, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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Talkback

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Precious again

support
Thank you stepping in wherever you see that you are needed, and that is a lot: translation, improvement of wording, understanding, and now coming to the rescue of an article a fighter for Human rights left us, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:40, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 46th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style. The human rights fighter is back, I miss the photographer, again, and put "Letting go of the past" on top of my talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:29, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Sam and Cat

I see that you having been protecting the page alot lately. Can I suggest that you just protect it untill the fall. I have not put up the refference at this time, but the show will start in the fall. It has been announced it Nick's upfrniot this past week. I hope to but it up soon, when I get the time. WP Editor 2012 (talk) 13:32, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I added the reference to the article. It may help since ips seem to want add the cast and other unsourced info. Also would this link work for Cameron Ocasio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sCUT3ZfvtY, he did link it from his twitter, but I am unable to view it. https://twitter.com/CameronOcasio/status/302615521428398081WP Editor 2012 (talk) 18:05, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for First Congregational Church, Salt Lake City

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Speaking of the Natchez Trace...

...have you read Lois McMaster Bujold's The Sharing Knife books? They're set in a far-future (?) version of the eastern US, and the rivers and the Natchez Trace play a prominent role in the second two books.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:27, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Sounds interesting. Thanks for the recommendation! --Orlady (talk) 19:35, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Spelling: Theatre District, New York

The move discussion was closed without alerting editors at the relevant Wikiprojects to join in. It has long been the consensus at WP:THEATRE and WP:MUSICALS to spell the word "theatre", in part because theatre professionals prefer this spelling throughout the English-speaking world, and because this spelling it is not wrong anywhere, while "theater" is wrong in many places,such as the UK. BTW, I am an American from New York City. Note that nearly all of the Broadway theatres are called "X Theatre". Would you kindly return to the talk page and see if we can get a wider consensus on this issue? Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:46, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry you feel that way. The people who write about theatre on Wikipedia were excluded from the first discussion. For 6 years, the article had the name Theatre District, New York, and then one editor moved the title and campaigned to make it stick without notifying anyone who actually writes about theatre in New York. That was not legitimate. I wish you would weigh in again, as I think it will become clear that the consensus of editors who edit in this field is to use the -re spelling. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:28, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota)

I did a second (edit conflicted with the first) review of this article and have some reservations: Template:Did you know nominations/Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota). Espresso Addict (talk) 21:09, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Doncram closed

An arbitration case regarding Doncram has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

1. Doncram is placed under a general probation indefinitely. Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions if, despite being warned, Doncram repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any normal editorial process or any expected standards of behavior and decorum. These sanctions may include blocks, page or topic bans, instructions to refrain from a particular behavior, or any other sanction that the administrator deems appropriate. Sanctions imposed under this remedy may be appealed as if they were discretionary sanctions. Doncram may not appeal this restriction for one year and is limited to an appeal once every six months thereafter.
2. Doncram is indefinitely restricted from creating new pages, except for redirects, in article space. He may create new content pages in his user space, at Articles for Creation, in a sandbox area within a WikiProject's area, or in similar areas outside of article space. Such pages may only be moved to article space by other users after review. This restriction may be appealed to the Committee after one year.
3. For edit warring with Doncram, SarekOfVulcan is strongly admonished to behave with the level of professionalism expected of an administrator.
4. SarekOfVulcan and Doncram are indefinitely prohibited from interacting with each other (subject to the ordinary exceptions).
5. The question of how substantive the content of a stub must be before it can legitimately be introduced to the mainspace as a stand-alone article cannot be decided by the Arbitration Committee. If the project is to avoid the stub guideline becoming a recurring problem in the future, we suggest to the community that this question may need to be decided through a deliberate attempt at conducting focussed, structured discussions in the usual way.

For the Arbitration Committee, (X! · talk)  · @277  ·  05:39, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Discuss this

Article Feedback deployment

Hey Orlady; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Lenzites warnieri

Orlady, it looks like you did heroic work on this article, but the one objection I had about the text has not been addressed, so I've put a ? icon on the review. Can you please do something about that "gathering" sentence and the "Ferme de Kandouri area" description? I've noted my issues in the review template. Once that's set, I'd expect the new hook to work nicely, and another "re-review" icon can be placed. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:35, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lenzites warnieri

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Shu-Park Chan

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Map controversy

Thank you for trying to explain. I was running round in circles and, as the person who proposed deletion, was probably never going to get far. There is a lot of confusion regarding OR/SYN and the Commons/en-WP relationship, aggravated by the mistaken impression that I am from "rival country India".

I'm involved in that many disputes at the moment with relatively new conributors that it is wearing me down. - Sitush (talk) 23:20, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

John Dewey Academy

Hey there, I was wondering how best to paint the entire picture of John Dewey Academy. I think it is important to remain objective and inform the reader of criminal actions which have occurred by faculty to students.