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Hi all, i am asking for a refer-help. I am living in germany und looking for the catalogue for this exposition:

• “Portraits of Our Past: The Sephardic Communities of Greece and the Holocaust”

in the Holocaust Memorial and Tolerance Center of Nassau County

Link: holocaust-nassau.org, Ort: Welwyn Preserve, 100 Crescent Beach Road

Is there any collection of the pictures? a.s.o.

Thanks for helping - Danke für evtl. Hilfe --asdfj, 09:59 CEST, 2013, June 3rd--

Spanish Republican Prisoners

I think Spanish Republican prisoners (who fled from Spain to France after Franco's victory and were turned over by Vichy's government to the Nazis, and interned mainly at Mauthausen) should be added to the table of non-Jewish victims. The death estimate ranges between 10,000 and 16,310/ Here is a reference:

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Mauthausen/KZMauthausen/History/SpanishRepublicans.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.67.211 (talk) 07:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Scrapobookpages ist not a reliable website, it's the mere personal website of an holocaust revisionist... 78.251.245.128 (talk) 01:20, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

What about this one? (last paragraph) http://www.exiliadosrepublicanos.info/en/history-exile — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.222 (talk) 20:57, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Jews, Jewish women, Jewish children

Apologies if this is a FAQ, but I am curious as to why Jewish males are systematically referred to in the article as "Jews", whereas "Jewish women" and "Jewish children" are used for adult females and children? Wouldn't "Jewish men" make more sense? glopk (talk) 16:42, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I've been through the article. It's simply untrue that only men are "systematically" referred to as "Jews" but women and children are not. When men are specified, it usually makes that clear. Many passages refer generally to "Jews", clearly meaning men, woman and children. I could only see one sentence that corresponds to your criticism: "The screening of the population, however resulted in 13 Jews, 27 Jewish women and 11 Jewish children, of which 13 Jews and 19 Jewish women were shot in co-operation with the Security Service." This particular sentence should be rewritten. I'll just do it, but the sentence itself is grammatically confusing, so whoever wrote it may wish to check that I understood it correctly. Paul B (talk) 17:26, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

In fact I can't change it because it's a quotation. That's not clear because the layout is flattened due to the dense use of images. Quotations should never be altered unless the source is being quoted incorrectly. Paul B (talk) 17:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Title should be "Jewish Holocaust"

The title should read "Jewish Holocaust", as there have been many many other holocausts throughout history, throughout the world, not only in Europe. For example, 100 million Native Americans were slaughtered and lost their homeland here in America, this was also a holocaust. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.112.74.219 (talk) 18:35, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

There have been a lot of massive slaughters and horrible killings of millions of people throughout history, many of which are considered even worse than the Holocaust by some. However, when referring to the Nazi genocide of the Jews in WW2, the word holocaust is capitalized - its current name has been widely implemented long ago. To answer your question, the reason for that is because there's been nothing comparable to the Holocaust in the sense that it was the only massive systematic murder of a specific innocent group with the aim of exterminating them. Yambaram (talk) 19:45, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

It's not because there has been nothing comparable, which is arguable, but because the term has come to be used to refer to mass murder of concentration camp inmates by the Nazis. In this respect it is the same as The Terror or The Enlightenment, terms used to refer to specific historical events, not to every example of "terror" or "enlightenment" in history. That's exactly why the "The" is important, and it's why we don't list every other atrocity ever committed in this article. Whether or not the term should be restricted to Jewish victims of the Nazis is another issue, but it has nothing to do with other examples of atrocities and mass murders in history. Paul B (talk) 20:19, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

A good point except it was more than "concentration camp inmates", see for example Einsatzgruppen.--Joel Mc (talk) 05:45, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

The title shouldn't be the Jewish Holocaust. That utterly marginalizes the suffering of the homosexuals, the mentally handicapped and every other group that was systematically targeted for extermination by the Nazi regime. How often do you hear the "six million" talked about, as if the other eleven million victims never existed. This article goes on for two paragraphs about the Jewish experience before saying "Some scholars argue that the mass murder of the Romani and people with disabilities should be included in the definition..."

In fact, this isn't a matter for argument. The Romani, in particular were included in the Nuremburg laws right beside the Jews. The experience of Russian prisoners of war, Slavic civilians and millions of others were in no material way different from the Jewish experience. The Jews were the largest single group in that vast horror and it is a vital part of Jewish history, but it was not only their tragedy.

The article should open by covering the entire holocaust, and then later provide detail on the Jewish view and terminology, along with the Romani and other experiences. Let's not do the Nazis work for them by letting two thirds of their victims slide out of focus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.212.146.234 (talk) 03:14, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

The article doesn't seem to support your view, nor that of the OP of this thread. Read the Eberhard Jäckel quote. Narc (talk) 23:28, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

American or British English

American English seems to be used throughout the article, with the exception of the first paragraph. Can we decide on a standard? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.98.193.203 (talk) 02:34, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

We can read somewhere Yet the six million murder victims make the holocaust a unique crime in the history of mankind. Even if highly regrettable it was unfortunately not unique at all. There was a greater known one: the 80 million Indians murdered in the Americas mostly by the Spaniards. That makes 12 fold the accepted number of holocaust. As unbelievable as it may seem the names of the genocide perpetrators and mass murderers are still street names on all Spanish towns as heroes. If we read the description of their savage behavior by Friar Bartolomé de las Casas (see about him here on Wikipedia), an eye witness, we will be astonished and will have to acknowledge that their crimes were way worse than the Nazi's. How can this be forgotten? Sorry for my broken English, but facts are facts no matter how they are told. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.44.149 (talk) 02:16, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

The Holocaust Is Not Unique

We can read somewhere Yet the six million murder victims make the holocaust a unique crime in the history of mankind. Even if highly regrettable it was unfortunately not unique at all. There was a greater known one: the 80 million Indians murdered in the Americas mostly by the Spaniards. That makes 12 fold the accepted number of holocaust. As unbelievable as it may seem the names of the genocide perpetrators and mass murderers are still street names on all Spanish towns as heroes. If we read the description of their savage behavior by Friar Bartolomé de las Casas (see about him here on Wikipedia), an eye witness, we will be astonished and will have to acknowledge that their crimes were way worse than the Nazi's. How can this be forgotten? Sorry for my broken English and if I did not do it properly because it seems complicated if one is not used to, but facts are facts no matter how they are told.