Talk:Rita Ora

Please delete her name in Cyrillic because she's not Serbian, she's Albanian and it's not sahaciu, but Sahatçiu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.99.16.122 (talk) 06:12, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

2011-2012: ORA and Commercial breakthrough -Edit request

The article says "Throughout 2011, Ora released viral videos of herself working on her debut album" One can not release an viral video. The Video is released and then it becomes viral The Sentences should , in be changed to. "Throughout 2011,Ora released videos of herself working on her debut album, these videos became viral" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpb101 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

A question about her origin

If she was born in Yugoslavia, or Serbia, should that not be stated as her birth country? By the way, if Kosovo itself is recognizes as a country by less than half of the UN member states - should it not be referred as "province of Kosovo[1], Serbia" through the Wikipedia? I only think its fair, but I can see Albanians are anal about the issue...

The youtube interview in which Rita Ora says "Born and raised in West London" is being removed for a fan page sourced by the this wikipedia page.. ridiculous. Sorry to break to to the Albanians who are clearly proud of Rita Ora but she was born in London as said here. 1:30 mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMZXT7iLxNA (Kidstylez (talk) 15:57, 1 September 2012 (UTC))

In this same interview she says that she is from Kosova, Prishtina! When she left Kosova she was 1 year old. And in her birth certificate it is stated clearly that she is born in Prishtina.

In another interview: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/music/4305489/Rita-Oras-rise-from-Kosovan-refugee-to-having-Jay-Z-as-her-boss.html she states very clearly that 'My parents fled genocide in Kosovo to come to the UK...' Who's genocide? SERBIAN genocide against Albanian population! '“I left Kosovo aged one. We were lucky that my mum and dad left early.” I am sorry to break this to Kidstylez!

I hope this clarifies a lot of discussions here about her origins and personality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agmori (talk • contribs) 15:03, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Personality yes, pig ignorant and biased towards her nation's mindset, but origin, afraid not. That term is reserved for the artistic/professional location. Asides that, her Kosovar Albanian background speckles the entire article. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 15:09, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Evlekis, you are an idiot exactly in YOUR nation's mindset! She talks about herself and again she is for you 'pig ignorant'! Who knows better than herself about herself! While 'Kidstylez' tried to manipulate her interview, you are trying to oppose what Rita Ora says about herself! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agmori (talk • contribs) 15:54, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

A solid advice to both Evlekis and Agmori: keep it WP:CIVIL and stick to facts. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 23:05, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I was civil. One admin totally misinterpreted my remark (ie. "pig ignorant") which was a response to the other user's reference to Ora's personality. I was referring to Ora herself on the remarks she made on a political theme when she is notable for entertainment purposes - I meant she was out of her debt. No comment of mine was in any way directed towards the offending editor, the rest of it stated that origin means artistic roots and that her ethnicity is found in several places across the page, that was all. The only breach of WP:CIVIL was when I was branded "idiot" and wrongfully accosted by admin User:JamesBWatson. I see you returned the offensive edit but I am baffled as to how its restoration is conducive for this talk page. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 02:05, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Be that as it may, my antagonist himself has not taken offence. Unlike JamesBWatson, he is well aware that the term "ignorant" was made in reference to Rita Ora as is testified in his insulting remark (Quote: She talks about herself and again she is for you pig ignorant!). QED. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 02:08, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

No need for translation of the name in Serbian!

There is no need to translate her name in Serbian because her origin is not Serbian and not either jugoslavian. She is an Kosovo-Albanian origin singer and she had no career in Serbia! Its like translating the name of Marija Serifovic (serbian singer) in albanian when she never ever had any albanian career. So try to be more neutral about this is my message for you...... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mergiiiii (talk • contribs) 16:01, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

She was born in Serbia when it was Yugoslavia by her own parents' choosing and all subjects born on that territory have their names provided in Serbian or Serrbo-Croat, it doesn't matter two hoots if the subject is Albanian, Romanian, Greek, Hungarian or Turkish. Had Marija Šerifović been born in Albania and had Albanian exclusively rendered names in its own transcribed forms and not in the source format then that too would qualify for being presemted in Albanian. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 22:32, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia lists only names that are used by sources regardless of citizenship etc. If Marija Serifovic was born in Albania and became known as Maria Serifi then it would be relevant to add, otherwise the Albanian name would be useless to the reader.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 06:53, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Why the need to complicate things? She has no relation to Serbian people and has no knowledge of them. She is an ethnic Albanian born in Kosovo. Kosovo is an independent country and is the only country she ever mentions including Albania. Novak Djokovic in fact was born in Kosovo but is of Serbian origin, does he also have to have an Albanian translation of his name? It is completely ridiculous and insignificant. People are confused about her ethnicity as it is.

can we please re-instate her ethnic background to the article see this video and fast forward to 1:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-xlXNeZBsc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.169.162.172 (talk) 13:52, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Added to intro. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 14:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

British

The first line of the article says Rita is "Biritish" - should this be "British" ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.16.10.20 (talk) 17:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

No, it should NOT say British. It should say either "Albanian-British" or just "Albanian". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koldproxy (talk • contribs) 21:40, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Albanian per se is misleading, such references pertain to the Republic of Albania with which the subject is not affiliated. She is ethnic Albanian, that is true. However the essential demonym when representing notable persons is their state of recongition. Ora is a British subject in exactly the same way that any black or Asian person originating from the UK is. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 12:14, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Nationality

I think it should say Kosovan-born British artist since she was born in Kosovo and raised in the UK. She has publicly identified herself as British and there are countless other examples of celebs whose profiles are like this when born in other countries. Examples include Sam Worthington "English-born Australian actor", Wentworth Miller "English-born American actor" and Nicki Minaj "Trinidad-born American artist". Rita's profile should follow suit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jake279 (talk • contribs) 10:54, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

No need for any of that. Birthplace details feature in infobox and can also be placed in brackets by headword. Kosovo is a middle of the range entity concerning her birthplace which was Pristina, SAP Kosovo, SR Serbia, SFR Yugoslavia, so only the first and last details carry significant weight, particularly when considering the status of Kosovo at the time of her birth with its privileges revoked. Even to say Kosovan-born, then Serbia, Yugoslavia is long and pointless. The present situation also demands that all editors handle Kosovo-related matters with extreme caution, never to hint at either being independent or integral within the other state unless absolutely necessary:

1. Anything diplomatic may refer to Republic of Kosovo, such as appointment of ambassador to or by state which recognises Kosovo.
2. Anything pertaining to Belgrade and actions from within the Serb enclaves that observe pre-2008 status may refer to Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija.
3. Anything general or basic concerning the modern-day entity may mention Kosovo (per link to main article) but best to use the template.

Concerning Rita Ora's birth, none of the above applies. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 12:59, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Place of birth and other issues

Rita Ora was born in Kosovo to Kosovo-Albanian parents from Prishtina. She moved to West London with the family prior to the war which broke out when she was one; as a result she has adapted to many of 'British' ways, her main influence is Gwen Stefani which is also evident in her appearance. Although, she is a London girl, she is also a very traditional Albanian girl at heart. This is seen in a number of her interviews: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL4vtG0EfZs In this interview Rita also mentions that she is from, Albania, Kosovo from a little city called Prishtina. Like many Albanians, Rita also likes to say that Kosovo and Albania are one nation due to Kosovo's population being over 90% Albanian despite the political status of the two countries. In this interview Rita speaks Albanian - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E_HzjuGyps — Preceding unsigned comment added by Durresaryl1 (talk • contribs) 16:42, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately what you are describing here is mostly WP:OR. It may be acceptable to use things she said in interviews to add info on where she was born or whatever if she was explicit but stuff like 'which is also evident in her appearance' and 'she is a London girl, she is also a very traditional Albanian girl at heart' (based on our perceptions of her in interviews) is definitely out. As for her opinion on Kosovo and Albania, I don't know if it's significant enough to add to the article. We definitely can't use it to add or modify info on where she was born. Nil Einne (talk) 22:04, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Rita Ora always states she is Albanian, never that she is British. So wiki do not make your own assumptions of her nationality but make it what she states it is. Change nationality to Albanian or at the least Kosovar! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.245.56 (talk) 13:38, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

This is a most disgusting attempt at stealing an artists culture and identity to make them part of your own. If you google her the wikipedia info that displays on the side only states she is a british songwriter and her nationality is english..her nationality is Albanian by origin and birth ..british would only come from one way ( her being naturazilized) and that being the case it should say Albanian-british. Fix this and stop attempting to steal artists for your home country it's pathetic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.4.135 (talk) 13:42, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Album Title

It says Albi. i don't think that's official Where's the Source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aphordonte (talk • contribs) 04:03, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

The album title is called ORA, meaning Time in Kosovan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ritaoranews (talk • contribs) 18:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

"Kosovan" LMAO you gotta be kiddin' me. There is no "KOSOVAN", there is ALBANIAN. Ora means "time" or "clock" in ALBANIAN. Let me repeat that: ALBANIAN. NOT KOSOVAN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koldproxy (talk • contribs) 21:44, 13 September 2012 (UTC) There is Kosovan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous459 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Proposal to end March 2012 edit war on origin

Since there are two sources, one for Pristina and the other for Shkodër, there is conflict. The Shkodër link is in Albanian and refers to the subject's grandparents. Pristina in turn constitutes the birthplace. I propose that we introduce a section into the main text citing the family origin in Shkodër and use the source, and then move the Pristina source one place above onto the birthplace section and to avoid a duplicate, we remove the "origin" section from the infobox because at this point it would be superfluous. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 07:05, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

The source Durresaryl1 provided above includes an interview where someone who I presume is Rita Ora says she was born in Pristina so (as mentioned elsewhere) I don't really understand how or why this was still in dispute. I don't really get the relevance of the subject's grandparents to the subject's place of birth. If it's felt the info isn't adequately sourced then I'm fine with completely removing the place of birth. However I would have to question the need for detailed info on her grandparents origins (if that's what's being proposed). Unless there's some evidence of relevence to her notability or otherwise that it's particularly significant for some reason, I'd generally be inclined to keep it out since this is an article about her, not her grandparents. BTW per WP:DOB we also need a source for her date of birth or it should be removed. Nil Einne (talk) 07:40, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually looking further I see the dispute is partially over 'origin' rather then simply 'place of birth'. Given that was was evidentally born in Pristina (and seems to say this or Kosovo a lot) and moved when she was 1 to the UK and if I understand the comments correctly, the only info on Shkodër we have relates to he grandparents I question whether it's accurate to say her origin or her families origin is Shkodër. I would suggest any mention of origin simply be removed and if you do want to mention it it should specify who (grandparents, parents) rather then using the undefined term 'family'. Do we have any evidence she actually considers Shkodër an important part of her origins (does she ever mention it)? Even if we find sources discussing her parents, I don't think we should be adding it unless there's some evidence it's actually significant to her I don't think we should be adding it. Nil Einne (talk) 08:03, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

BTW as for the Yugoslavia/Kosovo dispute if it's felt necessary how about we say Priština, SAP Kosovo, SFR Yugoslavia to accurately reflect the politicial details at her time of birth while also trying to reflect the subjects belief that Kosovo is an important part of where she was born. Nil Einne (talk) 08:24, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Your suggestions are equally good. Firstly, yes to the suggestion of Priština, SAPK, SFRY (in short), and you can see it makes sense to take the "origin" segment out of the infobox because it really offers no new feature. Its inclusion is ambiguous to say the least and I refer to the whole website, not just here. People have never known how to treat that part when an individual is linked to so many places. It is far better for bands and other types of group: a band may be formed in Scotland but could have members from everywhere in the world. Concerning the grandparents' origin, I do believe that as the source is based on the subject, it can be used as an external link if nothing more. On the one hand, giving a person's geographical origin is very much biographical information and many U.S. subjects are presented this way, but from another viewpoint, Shkodër is not very far away from Pristina (not if you take the globe) and it is probably the case that ALL peope have some ancestry from areas nearby but not quite in the home town. To that end, we can keep all mention of Shkodër out but I just need to get a word from User:Olsi who introduced the source. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 11:46, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok people, after reading this, I felt the need to create a wikipedia account, and settle this. The origin dispute is of very little importance and has no substantial evidence to support it whatsoever! This has arisen, because of a very bad Albanian journalist that works for Top Channel Albania, that did an interview with her, and he himself decided to 'add' that she comes from Shkodër. There is no evidence to support that she is related to the city of Shkodër in any way. Being related to her and all, I have no clue what that journalist was talking about. As far as I know not even her grandparents are from Shkodër. Maybe her great-grandparents! So this origin dispute has arisen just because of some bad journalism. Even if her grandparents were actually born in Shkodër, which they weren't, why is this relevant? Who cares what is the origin of some famous person's grandparents? Ok, even if we cared, what do we mean by origin? How far up the family tree do we have to go to establish origin? If we're going up the family tree, I might suggest you a Swedish genetic study that concludes that almost all of the worlds homo sapiens are from the continent of Africa! Ok, let's consider this: Michael Jackson, possibly the most famous person of our generation in the world, has his wikipedia page, and nowhere on it does it state where his grandparents are from! So shall we just leave it as it is, that she was born in Prishtina, Kosovo, and moved to London at an early age. That's it. If you actually want to know the origin of Rita Ora, then let's do this how it should be done, and create pages for her mother and father, and then go up the family tree like that. And as for the suggestion of writing it Priština, that's an issue that should be first settled in the history section of Kosovo, and then move on from there. But being a very frequent Wikipedia reader, I see that the preferred method of the use of city names is the internationally recognized form. Therefore, the correct form would be the current one. Zvuqniki (talk) 15:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Olsi has been notified here, and Durresary here. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 11:53, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I read your comments and I think we should not mention her origin, but only her birth place. If you want a source for her date of birth, here is one. --Olsi (talk) 16:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Durresary posted this comment at Zvuqniki's talk page which is fair enough, I think we can all conclude that the origin if anything would be Priština, that ancestry is not important, that the Shkodër connection has proven weak and mostly that the "origin" segment need not be included. Five accounts agree with this versus nobody now pushing for the opposite. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 19:55, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Place of "Origin" is London

Many people are born in one place, and brought-up in another. In Rita's case, she was born in Pristina and raised in London. This should be reflected in the infobox: the "Born" section should read her birthplace Pristina, and the "Origin" section should read London where she was brought-up. This is the standard format for anyone who was born in one place but brought-up in another. There's countless examples for precedent on Wikipedia. High profile example? Kanye West was born in Atlanta, but moved to Chicago at the age of 3 and grew up there. He self-identifies as a Chicagoan. His info is "born: Atlanta" and "origin: Chicago". Gloria Estefan was born in Havana, but moved to Miami at the age of 2 and grew up there. She self-identifies as a Miamian. Her info is "born: Havana" and "origin: Miami". In the case of Rita Ora, she moved to London before her first birthday and has lived there ever since. She self identifies as a Londoner, as exhibited in this monologue: "I was born in Kosovo, but I grew up in West London. I'm definitely a London girl, and represent the UK, but will always have Kosovo in my heart."[1] As is the case with other articles, her origin should read Ladbroke Grove, London, England (or just London, United Kingdom), to reflect where she was actually brought-up. Southlondoneye (talk) 15:19, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Interesting points, I certainly like the sound of it. The only problem is that "origin" is almost entirely ambiguous. London is most definitely her artistic origin, much like bands whose members could be from all over the globe but the band remains linked to its place of formation. But what does it mean to say a person originates from somewhere? Where he was born? Where he now lives? Where he was in the intervening time? And even then, with so many places linked to an individual, how does one qualify as an "origin"? Rita Ora is some type of Londoner, yes. So London is her home and where she is based as a recording artist; Kosovo is her birthplace and family origin. That is one reason I liked this revision (scroll down to article image). There is a catch though, when a person originates from near enough to his birthplace then "origin" is not required. If he forms an association with another place, we present that as "origin" in contrast to his birthplace details so there is a permanent discrepancy. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 17:38, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Interesting points you've raised! According to the Wikipedia rules on "origin", an artist's origin is: "The city from which the singer or group originated (that is, the city where the group was founded; or the city where individual performers started their career, should it not match the location of their birth). If the city is not known, specify at least the country." This would make Rita Ora's origin London only. It should make no reference to her ethnic or family origin. Any information on ethnicity/family background should be stated in the Early Life paragraph, not the Infobox. (Examples: Madonna, Ciara, Pink etc). Southlondoneye (talk) 08:47, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good. After all, a person has an article because he is notable and that notability in turn needs to be linked to a place. London it is. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 14:19, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Was just about to post this (origin is London). Birth is where the person is born obviously, but origin is career origin (hence London) years after she moved there in the year of her birth. The opening line should also be amended.. its British... followed by.. of Kosovar Albanian ethnicity/descent. JJ 65 (talk) 01:47, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I think this section qualifies as consensus that London is career origin and therefore will be displayed in origin part. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 11:41, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Evlekis (Евлекис), What I'am going to do (and I believe is the best action to take) is to remove the "Place of origin" section as it is not needed or required in the infobox, and will only be continually changed if not removed, from Pristina, Kosovo to London, United Kingdom. Therefore when the "Place of origin" section is removed nobody would have to bother with, whether Rita Ora's Origin is Kosovo, Serbia or United Kingdom. MarkMysoe (talk) 11:16, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I am fine with it either way. I contributed to both talks albeit with different editors in each. You're right that this will prevent constant changing, though I only hope this is all right with the other two in this section. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 11:30, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

As has been mentioned, her career origin is London, or West London to be precise. I'm adding this template to avoid any confusion. Chie one (talk) 21:48, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

April 2012 origin dispute

The origin dispute has transformed and is now a battle of two possibilities: origin removed entirely vs West London. Let's use this section to discuss this. I don't mind either, but the template does clarify that origin implies artistic roots and not family background; for that, I offer weak support for West London. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 04:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

There would be no confusion if Template:Infobox musical artist#origin is absent from the infobox, as Chie one, comment suggests above. The article clearly states that Rita Ora grew up in the UK and went to school in the UK. Rita Ora is not only a singer but also a actress. The origin section is not needed nor required (see for example the infobox's of Rihanna and Tinie Tempah) where the Template:Infobox musical artist#origin is not used, because it is not necessary. Rihanna started her music career in the USA, when Rihanna was signed for the first time by Jay-Z at the age of 16 to Def Jam Recordings, and then Rihanna moved to the USA at the age of 16 in February 2005, but that does not make Rihanna' music origin to be the USA. Rita Ora's music career started and only took off when Rita Ora was also signed for the first time by Jay-Z in 2009 at the age of 18 and then Rita Ora moved to New York City, USA in 2009 at the age of 18 to join Roc Nation, therefore New York, USA would be Rita Ora's music career origin and not West London, UK. So would that also make Rita Ora's music career origin to be New York, USA, I don't think so, in the same way the USA would not be Rihanna's music career origin nor Barbados. Rita Ora's passport is a Republic of Kosovo's Kosovan passport, and nobody even knows whether Rita Ora has British citizenship and a British passport. MarkMysoe (talk) 05:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Strong support for West London. Template:Infobox musical artist#origin states that an artist's origin is where he/she originated ie started their career, and in Rita Ora's case that was definitely in London. Rita's career started well before signing to Roc Nation; she featured on published records by distinguished artists before Jay-Z signed her. Rita's always lived in London, the official Roc Nation website states that Rita Ora is British based [2]. It is also very important to note that most artists' careers start before their first record label signing. Kanye West's career didn't start in 2003 (when he was signed by Jay-Z to Roc-A-Fella), it started before. Drake's career didn't start in 2009 (when he was signed by Lil Wayne to Young Money), it started years before. In Rihanna's case, her city of birth matches her city of origin (Bridgetown), so it is not necessary to state it twice. In the case of Tinie Tempah, his city of birth matches his city of origin (London), so it is not necessary to state it twice. Regarding Rihanna, she was discovered in Barbados, where she auditioned for Carl Sturken and Evan Rogers (who subsequently signed her for their production company) in 2003. Rihanna signed for Def Jam and moved to New York in 2005. As for Rita Ora's nationality, the assertions of MarkMysoe are speculation. Rita has been a permanent resident of the United Kingdom for 21 years, so it's highly likely that she acquired British citizenship and a British passport in that time. This adds nothing to the "origin" debate though. With all things considered, her origin should be stated as West London. Southlondoneye (talk) 12:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

There is no dispute.. there is one renegade user who ignores WP:Bio origin guidlines.."The city from which the singer or group originated, that is, the city where individual performers started their career". As is well documented Ora "grew up in West London. I'm definitely a London girl", having lived there since the year she was born. JJ 65 (talk) 13:37, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I still declare neutrality here. But surely, if there be more than one origin, can't we list each one? Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 15:18, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

No idea why this nonsense was started. Infact i do, because no one had bothered to read the Infobox musical artist origin. Her origin is London, or West London to be precise. In any bio it will state birth, which the infobox has, and then origin, where the person was brought up and started their career, which is London. She has spent her entire life in London, started her career in London, states on the Roc site "British based". This is what origin was created for. The template will stay to avoid any confusion.Chie one (talk) 16:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I cannot comment on Rihanna, just checked the article and all I can see is thick round thighs, they're still in my head! Too distracted to look at the information under her thighs!!!! Perhaps someone else can! ;) Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 15:24, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Yep origin London is correct. In terms of birth, i've added (present day Kosovo) as that covers her birthplace.Tx rnel (talk) 18:25, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Pristina/Prishtina/Priština

A brief message to Zvuqniki here: I personally write Priština this way because I always have done. Olsi when writing in English writes Peja for the western Kosovan city, but we only do this in talk. Nobody suggested amending the present spelling, how we refer to it in talk and on the articles is different. Likewise you may write Prishtina, Kosova even if writing in English. "Pristina" is not the international format, it is merely the Serbian spelling minus diacritic not found anywhere except where diacritics are left out from the outset. However, it happens to be the Wikipedia preferred spelling and this is why it is to be used as such in articles and editors are wholly justified in amending both Priština and Prishtina to Pristina wherever the word is being used for contemporary purposes. This is a little off-topic and I was just assuring you that you have nothing to worry about. Thanks for raising the issue. I hope that now this talk can be concluded with the editing sanction lifted. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 19:55, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I know this is not the place to discuss this, but I have to say that Pristina, actually is the international format, and the Serbian formats were accepted and used by the internationals in the late 1990s because that were their official names at the time. The original names of cities and places in Kosovo were changed right after the Serbian occupation of Kosovo, and they were used for many years. That does not mean that they are the actual names of cities/places. But it's very difficult to change a name on an international level. Kosovo's independence is very recent, hence the Serbian version of the names being used still (i.e. Gjakova being called Đakovica). But getting back to the issue, Prishtina's name has always been 'Prishtina' (or in your case 'Priština'). What I'm trying to emphasize is that the name is with a SH (or š) and not an S. However you write it it's a matter of preference. But it's important to get the actual name right (i.e. Ferizaj and not Urošsevac), so that the meaning behind it does not change. But it can take many years for names to change on an international level, i mean even today Beograd is called Belgrade. Although it has the same meaning, how long has it been since it's been called Beligrad?Zvuqniki (talk) 20:34, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Beograd has the name Belgrade in English and that is the one and only true exonym for any settlement in the former Yugoslavia, because everything else when speaking English is and always has been according to the first language of the host. At the moment, things are frozen with nobody really knowing what is what. Sources continue to refer to Kosovan settlements by their Serbian names if they were mentioning the places immediately before the UNMIK period. This is really when the modern period for Kosovo began: with Belgrade's influence muted from that time, the declaration of independence was merely symbolic in what it achieved INSIDE Kosovo. It remains controversial however so nobody should speak liberally about Kosovo being independent nor being de jure Serbian land. Anyhow, cities such as Prizen, Uroševac and others were making their way onto mainstream news circa 1998 when fighting between rebels and government forces escalated. The BBC cannot suddenly start referring to Ferizaj. To that end, Đakovica did not replace Gjakova because the latter is merely the Albanian name for the city. The Turkish name is Yakova so this is also how it would have been known in English sources pre-1912. Serbia also did not "occupy" Kosovo. The Balkan League declared war on the Ottoman overlords and this was supported by Serbian, Bulgarian and Slavic Muslim uprisings within the Kosovo vilayet - these groups made up slightly less than half the population I admit - but for Serbia's part, the purpose of removing the Ottomans was precisely to annex the territory and this they did; recognition followed at the Treaty of London 1913 when as part of the deal they had to withdraw from the wider area to make way for a newly independent Albania. Note also that there is no such thing as a name change on an international level. Every language has its own titles for settlements and Turkish has always referred to the region as Kosova as does Albanian. In English, Kosovo is entrenched as it has been known to people and press since before the 1999 local handover. Finally, Uroševac is a town to have grown quickly in a short time and despite the origin of the core settlement, all Serbian sources have recorded it as Uroševac in the time it has been a city. With that, the correct English name for the settlement before 1912 was Ferizovik because that was the Turkish name. One good source to consult for all this in the Encyclopædia Britannica 1911 which was published in time before the liberation of Ottoman lands (liberation FROM Ottomans and by EVERYONE - Balkan League AND Albanian Provisional forces). So finally looping back to the Kosovan capital, the claim that the city was always called "Prishtina" is correct when discussing how its name has been in Albanian. Never English however, the Turkish name (and pre-1912 for English) is Priştine. So there really is no such thing as an actual name for a city, it is what people call it. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 21:36, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

This is not the place for this. Please, make a proper forum and I'll be happy to discuss it with you. However, expanding on your last sentence, I agree with you: a place is what people call it. Without going too much into semantics, if a place becomes a place, i.e. deserves a name, it means that it has a purpose, and therefore comes into existence. I believe that when that happens, that is the 'actual name' of that place, be it a city, or a field. Nothing, gives no one the right to blatantly change the name, and act as if it never had another name before that. That's what gradually happened when the Serbs occupied (or to put it into your terms 'casually moved in') Kosovo. Not just with cities, roads, places, areas, mountains, almost everything was being re-named. You would have had to live here to actually know what was going on. At a point, it got too much, and then the war (yes, WAR, not Conflict) between Kosovo and Serbia broke.Zvuqniki (talk) 00:32, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

War was between FR Yugoslavian authorities and Kosovan separatists, not Kosovo vs Serbia because in any case, the latter considered the former part of its territorial integrity. "Casually moved in" is not a term I use and "occupied" is anti-Serbian POV interpretation. The recorded event sees the Balkan League declare war on the Ottoman Empire, uprisings by Balkan League proponents from within Ottoman territory, finally annexation of those lands by victorious entities pushing Ottomans back to East Thrace (a legacy cast onto future Turkish republic). Kosovo at that time was neither Kosovo nor Kosova in English but the strange-looking Kossovo. Everything else has been a matter of people consulting contemporary maps to find that names of features adhere to local dominant language. If we take the modern-day Kosovo republic, this would unequivocally mean Albanian language names (eg. Peja, Ferizaj, etc.). The only problem is this unresolved status of recognition in the eyes of institutions as the world has never seen so many states at one time, around 205 including unrecognised. In 1878, Serbia, Montenegro and Romania became only the 27th-29th independent countries. We don't have treaties anymore for wide disputes, merely arbitrary recognition or unrecognition by a state acting according to how it feels on the day (Kosovo hasn't had a withdrawal yet but Republic of China and Western Sahara have had swing). So on the whole, yes everywhere has a name according to associated populations but in such scenarios, it is very difficult to assign anything "correct" to English. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 05:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Her recent video

The page claims that the video for Hot Right now, featuring Rita Ora has almost 10 million views, when it actually currently stands at 15,901,606 on the official DJ Fresh Youtube upload. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jadeeyox (talk • contribs) 14:51, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Obviously the information is out of date. The page is to remain frozen for the next few days, after that you are free to update it. I'm not quite sute how relevant these things are though. Many things have millions of views on Youtube but tend to avoid special mention on articles here. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 15:29, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Rita Ora on other wikipedias

Now there is the Rita Ora's page on other wikipedias, for example on it:wiki, the wikipedia where I work. I thing that somebody must add these pages here.--Umby96 (talk) 20:27, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. As soon as the page becomes free to edit, I'll add whichever language I find if another editor doesn't manage to first. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 22:06, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Debut album title

The title "Albi" is completely FAKE. It wasn't confirmed by Rita, Roc Nation or any producer envolved. It was used by some fans on web. Please, somebody change it as soon as you can. --SupremoJunior (talk) 02:02, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

The page is not protected any more.  Sandstein  16:59, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Influences

{{Request edit}} Can anybody please check the sources of her influences for me? I already watched the videos but and I didn't listen all those people being mentioned, but I'm not that good in English so maybe I didn't listen well. I just don't want to remove anything important.--SupremoJunior (talk) 00:31, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

The {{request edit}} template is for requesting a specific WP:COI edit to be made, so I'm tld'ing I think you should add the {{BLP sources}} template to the top if section in the article itself (not here), and leave a note here with specifics if you're concerned about the section. hth Woz2 (talk) 18:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Rita Ora Albanian

You should add: "Rita Sahatçiu Ora, better known as Rita Ora, is a Albanian British singer-songwriter from London, UK."

So add that she is Albanian. She even speaks Albanian. It states it in multiple sources. One is a youtube channel's biography created by youtube. thanks! (See Below)

Works Cited:

"Rita Ora's Biography." n. page. Web. 18 May. 2012. <http://www.last.fm/music/Rita Ora/ wiki>.

Youtube. N.d. n.p. Web. 18 May 2012. <http://www.diigo.com/item/t/4547128_120563726_7030985>.

Denihoxha (talk) 20:22, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

If you read the article, there are ample references to her Albanian background including within the introductory paragraph (LEDE). The category section provides a number of sections that support Ora's ethnicity. To add it to the first line will only clutter the existing arrangement. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 04:13, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: no consensus for this change. --Six words (talk) 22:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Struggles

Rita childhood was tough. Her mom was a single mother of three, and they struggle to survive. As she grew up she help her mother in the struggles. Rita became a stripper (exotic dancer). She also sang at the places she performed at. Rita soon become known to different places and people came to watch her perform. Rita started off her career from that experience and she is now known in the uk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.252.126 (talk) 02:26, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Rita Ora always states she is Albanian, never that she is British. So wiki do not make your own assumptions of her nationality but make it what she states it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.245.56 (talk) 13:36, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

"How We Do (Party)" NZ certification

Can someone add this archived link (http://www.webcitation.org/68XH0qkY7) to the source of the NZ certification for "How We Do (Party)". Because there is no other source for NZ certifications. 114.77.226.195 (talk) 11:04, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

• Has also peaked at number 68 on the US Hot 100 Aaron • ^{You Da One} 16:24, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Where was she born?

The biography section says Pristina, yet the infobox says London.--Cymru123 (talk) 10:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree, the infobox should be the same as the article - she was born in Yugoslavia.VenomousConcept (talk) 11:00, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

How is she British if she was born in Kosovo? This doesn't make the article consistent with a lot of other articles on Wiki which have hyphenated nationalities.

Edit request on 18 September 2012

Rita Sahatciu Ora was not born in Pristina -Republic of Yougoslavia.She was born in Pristina-Republic of Kosovo,because the republic of Yougoslavia doesnt exist anylonger,and Pristina is the capital city of the Republic of Kosovo.

1Ri na ka (talk) 22:33, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Not done for now: It looks like Pristina was part of Yugoslavia at the time she was born. I think it should be left alone, but I'll leave this request open for others to weigh in. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 14:32, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 September 2012

Rita Ora is a Albanian/Kosovan singer/songwriter, not a British songwriter or singer.

78.148.151.57 (talk) 14:39, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: Her official web site describes her as British. Rivertorch (talk) 08:45, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I know her brother Don Ora. He is currently attending Holland Park School in my year, Year 10. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.108.144.42 (talk) 19:57, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Area

I know her brother Don Ora as he currently attends Holland Park School and he is in my grade/year, Year 10 (2012/2013). Also in West London for a certain period of time, they lived opposite Avondale Primary School (side closest to Westfields) in the estate. They currently live closer to the nearest Leisure Centre to Avondale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous459 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Language

As this is an article about a British singer, shouldn't it be written in British English. "...for the honor [sic.] of representing...." A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 21:44, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, although I don't see any part that needs to be tweaked for now. ⊾maine12329⊿ talk 12:46, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 November 2012

rita ora was born in pristina kosovo not to pristina yugoslavia 80.78.77.254 (talk) 21:32, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

• They aren't two different cities, friend. In 1990 it was officially still Yugoslavia.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 21:44, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
•  Not done: per above. –sumone10154^(talk) 21:53, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Good call. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 04:40, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Actress?

She appeared as herself on a game show. That doesn't make her an actress. Somebody needs to change that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.116.233.146 (talk) 04:27, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Agreed Crystal Clear x3 23:02, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

A website showing a Fast & Furious 6 trailer says that Rita has an unspecified role in the film [3] Should she be added now as an actress? DepressedPer 5:07, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I'd say not. An unspecified role doesn't mean she's notable as an actress. (Conversely, if a notable actress collaborated on a song or two, it wouldn't be a great idea to call her a singer.) Rivertorch (talk) 05:38, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

R.I.P. (feat. Tinie Tempah) - EP

I saw that this EP was not included [4] here or in her discography. Should it be? ⊾maine12329⊿ talk 03:44, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

This is not the only EP by her!See this!!--Nikinikolananov (talk) 18:05, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 January 2013

Please change Rita Ora's nationality from 'British' to 'Albanian' as she is in fact from Priština, Kosovo.

 Not done: Nationality and ethnicity are not the same thing. According to the article Ms. Ora's ethnicity is Albanian but her nationality is British. Also, a person's birthplace and the place s/he identifies as being "from" are not always one and the same. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 16:19, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Associated acts

Should we count Iggy Azalea as an associated act?

1. Iggy and DJ Havana Brown supported Rita on the Ora tour
2. Iggy is supporting Rita on the Radioactive Tour http://www.livenation.co.uk/artist/rita-ora-tickets?c=facebooksponsoredad_ext_ad061212

--Nikinikolananov (talk) 19:02, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 June 2013

Can the intro of the article be like that: Rita Sahatçiu Ora (Serbian: Рита Сахачију Ора/Rita Sahačiju Ora; born 26 November 1990) is a Yugoslavian-born British singer-songwriter and actress of Albanian descent. (As she was born in Yugoslavia to Albanian parents.) 178.235.183.165 (talk) 13:54, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

 Not done: Using the proposed wording in the opening sentence of the article gives undue weight to her ethnicity and country of birth. Rita Ora is notable for being a singer, not for being a Yugoslavian-born British national of Albanian descent. Her ethnicity and nationality are adequately discussed in a lower section and this matter has been extensively discussed on this talk page. If you want to change that you need to establish consensus first. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:42, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Serbian???? LOL

It's quite sad how may serbians and macedonian roma (like Evlekis) do their utmost to stick the word "serb" or "serbian" in an article about a woman, who proudly declares herself a Kosovan. Records a video flying the flag of Kosovo, and on numerous occasions speaks out about her true origins. Which have nothing to do with the serbs, who are now desperately clamouring to attribute a slice of her fame and success to their culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.250.240 (talk) 00:37, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Jay-Z

Can the user Captainmad please stop putting Jay-Z as an "associated act" for Rita Ora? An AA refers to a person or a band you do a music colab with (meaning a song or an album). It has nothing to do with business relationships. Jay-Z is an AA for Rihanna because of "Umbrella" and "Run this town", not because she's under Roc Nation management. Until Jay-Z & Rita Ora do a colab, he's just her boss, not an AA. Izzu11 (talk) 12:01, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I would say that none of the people currently listed as associated acts meet the requirements listed at Template:Infobox musical artist#associated acts: I agree with you about Jay-Z, as he's a manager/producer and shouldn't be included under the field's rules, but the others should also be removed under One-time collaboration for a single, or on a single song in the "avoid" section of the rules, unless, of course, they've collaborated with Rita Ora multiple times or released an album together. Acalamari 12:55, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you up to one point. Yes, they done a single song together, but the notability of that song should be taken into consideration too. On that template it says "significant and notable to this artist's career." "Hot right now" (with Fresh) gave Ora her first ever #1 and "RIP" (with Tinie) was her first #1 as a lead artist and her second #1 all together. It's these 2 colabs that actually put Ora "on the map", not the fact that she was signed to Jay's label. Eventually, I could remove Snoop & Koke from the AA list, as "Torn Apart" is more notable for having Snoop on it than for anything else and "Lay down your weapons" is more relevant for Koke's career than for Ora's. As for Jay-Z, he's not even a manager/producer for Ora, he's just the boss of her label. Basically, other than giving her some music advices and the final "OK" on her music projects, he does nothing else. It's Ty Ty Smith (Jay's partner on Roc Nation) who takes care of business when it comes to Ora's music. Izzu11 (talk) 14:05, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

ORA singles, Roc Nation, viral videos

ORA only spawned 2 number-one singles, not 3. Rita got credit for Hot Right Now as well, but it's DJ Fresh's song. It's not a part of ORA, it's just a bonus track on it. Also, R.I.P. was her first single from ORA only in UK. The first single from the album to be released anywhere on this planet was How We Do. That A&R who told Roc Nation about Rita was Sarah, her manager from Turn First Artists. She told them about Rita, Rita sent Roc Nation some demos and about a week later Jay Brown called her and asked her to fly to NY, where she was signed to Roc Nation. That's how I know the story. If anybody got a better or more accurate version, feel free to speak up. The only video that she posted on Youtube during the making of her album and that can be called viral is this one. It's the one who eventually got her the part on Hot Right Now, that's why I left it in the article. The other ones were indeed popular with her fans, but at 200.000 views in like 2 years, I wouldn't exactly call them "viral". Izzu11 (talk) 21:55, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Albanian-born

Rita was born in Kosovo, wouldn't that make her Kosovan-born, I would understand it saying Serbian-born instead since some countries recognize Kosovo as being apart of Serbia, but Kosovo wasn't apart of Albania to my knowledge, its just that they speak Albanian there and she has Albanian ancestry. Jjj1238 (talk) 23:27, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

She was born in Yugoslavia. Serbia or Kosovo didn't exist as nations in 1990.