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November 14

Hey, I heart the Beatles--all 23 of them

Remembering The Beatles (understood as widely as reasonable--so include Brian Epstein, Stu Sutcliffe, Peter Best, Klaus Voorman, Phil Spector, Eric Clapton, Yoko Ono, Linda McCartney, Linda McCartney's Dad, Ringo Starr, Alan Klein, Mick Jagger etc. et al.) What evidence is available that they speak or spoke (oral communication only--not interested in writing right now) in a language or language(s) besides that which would be referred to as their mother's tongue i.e. their primary language? (And no points for Yoko Ono's English and Japanese--everybody always already knows that piece of the puzzle). Thank you, [and should I reproduce this paragraph in the Languages section?] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.240.77.215 (talk) 15:37, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

No, you should not ask the same question on multiple reference desks. RudolfRed (talk) 17:27, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I find it odd that you include Mick Jagger as a member of the Beatles when he was a member of their main opposition! But the Beatles (i.e. the Fab Four) did produce German versions of their songs (Komm gib mir Deiner Hand being the one I remember from German lessons at school), and as they were resident in Hamburg for quite some time they must have picked up some German. Klaus Voorman wasn't English but conversed in it. --TammyMoet (talk) 18:28, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Mick Jagger and other members of the Rolling Stones sang backup vocals on All You Need Is Love. John and Paul sang back up on a couple songs on Their Satanic Majesties Request. Hot Stop talk-contribs 01:33, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Like, the French bits in "Michelle"? I'm not sure what this question is even asking. Adam Bishop (talk) 11:39, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

I think the question is asking for references on which acquired languages the individual members of the Beatles (as generously defined) actually were able to speak. The OP already is aware of the fact that Yoko Ono spoke English as a second language, but what about other acquired languages spoken by Yoko, and what about the other members? (I have no references, but I think the question is asking for that, not about foreign lyrics included in some of their songs). ---Sluzzelin talk 12:23, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

A posting here claims that "Paul had picked up a fair amount of German during the Beatles' Hamburg days", but that when they recorded "Komm, gib mir deine Hand" they had to be coached phonetically to sing in German. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:58, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Probably the same deal with the flip side, "Sie liebt dich". The funny thing about that recording was that instead of ja, ja, ja they still said "yeah, yeah, yeah". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:21, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

I remember hearing an interview with (I think) Paul McCartney who said that he was the only member of the band who could speak any German when they arrived in Hamburg, and the only phrase he knew meant "Jacob was a very naughty crow". Alansplodge (talk) 00:08, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

November 15

Who are they - anybody recognizes this band?

Resolved

There is an image File:Saltatio Mortis.jpg in Commons, used only in Swedish Wikipedia page sv:Saltatio Mortis. Someone said in Polish wiki on our 'Report an error' page the band is not Saltatio Mortis (pl:Wikipedia:Zgłoś błąd w artykule#Plik:Saltatio Mortis.jpg). Anybody knows what band is on the picture? --CiaPan (talk) 09:56, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, if it's not them, this band is doing a fine job of impersonating Saltatio Mortis. Looking through photos of the band online, I was able to clearly match every musician on stage of your photo save one (the most prominent one on the image, clad in green garment, though I think I found him too, just not 100% sure). The instruments match too (not just the massive bagpipes, but for example the red snare drum too). I really think it's SM. Maybe User:Stahlkocher can give some more information, as they are the one who took and uploaded the image. ---Sluzzelin talk 10:44, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't know, they look kind of alike in a few pics, but there's a lot of pics where they don't at all. Too, most of the images I looked at seem to have a different atmosphere about them- and they seem to wear a lot more black. Maybe it's an older image. I couldn't find any variants of the image from any other angle, though- the source seems to be Wikipedia, with a reference somewhere to it being from a live show, but I didn't see any mention of when/which. It is not on their website. Here's where else Google finds the pic [1] if it helps.Phoenixia1177 (talk) 11:36, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the image seems to be nine years old, and most of the images you find online are more recent. I don't know whether the redhead is still a member for example, in any event he doesn't look like the two redheads you see in newer photographs, but I did find him in this footage from an older concert. Whom you see around 0:12-0:20 is unmistakably the same person shown in CiaPan's image. ---Sluzzelin talk 12:07, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

One more point: Phoenixia is right that they normally don't wear colorful clothing. These costumes look closer to what you'd expect at a medieval fair or some other medieval reenactment event. As stated in this interview with band member "Alea der Bescheidene" published by Metal Rules, they all had already been part of the re-enactment scene before founding the band, so it's plausible that they made exceptions to their usual darker garb, especially in the early years. ---Sluzzelin talk 12:36, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. --CiaPan (talk) 11:18, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
PS. I don't think asking user Stahlkocher makes any sense, he seems to have left the project. His recent cotribution in Commons is dated on 28.02.2008, last contribution in his home de-wiki 22.12.2009 (ref: [2]). --CiaPan (talk) 11:29, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Could the same runner steal two bases in baseball?

As fas as I can understand, this question is quite hypotethical, but reading through the article stolen base a couple of times, I still wonder if one baserunner can steal two (or even three) bases in the same play in baseball?

For example in this unlikely scenario: With runners on first and second, pitcher throws to first. The runner at first gets caught in a rundown, and the runner at second manages to steal third. Could this runner now continue and try to steal home as well? (Let's say the defending team are still trying to catch the other runner in the pickle, or that they somehow throw the ball away) //213.103.218.63 (talk) 16:20, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

In that scenario, I don't think the leading runner would get credit for even one stolen base; more likely scored as a fielder's choice (with or without an error). If both the leading and following runner were off with the pitch, though, the leading runner could get credit for a steal of third. The classic scenario is runners on first and third; the runner on first heads for second and as soon as the catcher throws the ball, the runner on third heads for home. I think that's considered a double-steal. It's how some slow-footed runners occasionally get credit for a steal of home. But to find the definitive answer, I'll have to check the scoring rules (unless Jayron beats me to it). One thing I feel sure of is that if there's just a guy on first, he can steal second, but he can't steal third, because by then it has become a conventional fielding play. And if the catcher just stands there spaced out, and they guy rounds second and goes to third, it would probably be considered "defensive indifference" and wouldn't count as a steal at all. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:36, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

No, I'm wrong, or partly wrong. Read under section 10 where it talks about stolen bases.[3] In your scenario, it looks like the leading runner would get credit for a stolen base. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:45, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

But, scoring considerations aside, there is nothing stopping a runner from advancing more than one base? When the ball is live, but hasn't been hit, that is? Thanks for your answer! :) //213.103.218.63 (talk) 17:57, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, assuming it's a "live ball" situation, a runner can go as far as he thinks he can. Whether it counts as a stolen base or wild pitch or whatever is really of no consequence to the game itself, it's merely a record-keeping detail. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:24, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Of no consequence?!? SACRILEGE... --Jayron32 01:00, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

It's of consequence to the players involved as regards their stats, but whether a base-advanced is labeled a steal or something else, the runner still ends up at the same base. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:27, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I am aware of at least two recent instances of a runner stealing two bases on the same play. One of them is quite famous as it happened at a key point of Game 4 of the 2009 World Series: in the 9th inning, with the score tied and two outs, Johnny Damon stole second base, and with a defensive shift taking place with Mark Teixeira at bat, he saw that third base was uncovered; he cheekily continued to run to third base as the Phillies' defender was standing at second base with the ball in his hand, unable to do anything with it. According to the game's boxscore [4], Damon was indeed credited with two stolen bases. He went on to score the winning run a few moments later. The other instance I am aware of involved Brandon Phillips on August 1, 2007 (see boxscore here [5]; in this game too, Phillips took advantage of a defensive shift that had left third base uncovered. There may be other instances of this happening as well, even though it's quite a rare play. --Xuxl (talk) 15:38, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Repeating the iteration / "Eastbound and . . . ."

In my family we call the game "Ticket to Ride" "the Train Game". Meanwhile, without reason, I reference "Eastbound and Down" (not Jerry Reed [RIP] but instead Danny McBride) as the quote Kenny Powers Show unquote. I have it on good authority (cell phone communications/emails/texts) that the corporation we'll call "the Home Box Office" corporation has contracted to acquire the creation of a 4th, and a 5th seasons, with an option for a limited (5 episode)6th "season". Please no speculators; Can anyone provide confirmation of my intelligence? As any aside, what does "OP" stand for. Is it either "operator" and/or "operative"? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.240.77.215 (talk) 16:41, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

You're safe from speculating, since I have no idea what you're talking about. As regards "OP", if you mean here on the ref desk, it stands for "original poster", i.e. the one who initiated the question. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:47, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

I think your oddly convoluted question is asking if Eastbound and Down has been renewed. No. In fact, the series finale is this coming Sunday. Mingmingla (talk) 16:57, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

In case your opening sentence is about another section, maybe on another page: Please comment on existing sections by clicking the "edit source" link to the right of the section heading. If you have heard rumors of a continuation then I don't know what you count as confirmation of the opposite but the official site [6] also says it's the final season. The cancellation was announced in a press release in June.[7]. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:08, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Here's just a handy tip: If you are more clear about what you're asking, more people are generally inclined to help you out and answer your question. The only part of your original post, OP, that I was really sure about was your last and, seemingly, less important question about OPs. Dismas|^(talk) 21:49, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

November 17

Yuri's Revenge

In the second level of the Allied campaign in Yuri's Revenge (which takes place in L.A.), there are three special infantry units on the Allied side which are armed with anti-infantry weapons and immune to mind control. Here's my question: When the game first came out, these special units were named "Flint Westwood", "Sammy Stallion", and "Arnie Frankenfurter", but when the game was reissued as part of "Command and Conquer: The First Decade" collection, they were renamed "Cowboy", "Bodybuilder" and "Hero" respectively. Why? 24.23.196.85 (talk) 02:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

From the C&C Wiki: Due to possible legal reasons, Flint (along with the other celebrity Epic Units) have had their unique dialogue and names removed. All of the celebrities use G.I. quotes as placeholders. This applies to versions of the game with patches installed. The original version of the game (not patched) is the only version of the game with unaltered versions of the units. The original voice quotes for the Epic Units are still in the game though. CesarFelipe (talk) 17:48, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Personality rights is the relevant article. Tevildo (talk) 19:21, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! So it was their publicity rights that were the issue, right? 24.23.196.85 (talk) 02:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's whatever rights are associated with the names "Clint Eastwood", "Sylvester Stallone" and "Arnold Schwarzenegger", which will depend on jurisdiction, registered trade marks, and many other factors. The names were changed for _possible_ legal reasons, after all - the games company decided not to take the risk of any of the (potential) rights actually being asserted against them. Tevildo (talk) 21:16, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Original name of this song

What was the name of this song? by the way, this is a parody. here's the link: http://www.break.com/video/ugc/99-words-for-boobs-459241. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.23.232 (talk) 17:07, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

"99 Luftballons" or, in English, "99 Red Balloons". Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:30, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

A poetic translation, as "Luft" means "air". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

In Star Trek, who controls the ship's viewscreen?

Which of the bridge's station is in charge of changing the main viewscreen when the captain asks to? Or, is it the ship's computer that changes it upon command? I checked the official Technical Manuals for an answer, but I couldn't find any specific controls for the viewscreen anywhere. Thanks in advance, CesarFelipe (talk) 17:35, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

In Star Trek the Communications officer [8] and in Next Generation the Operations officer[9] or Tactical officer. Rmhermen (talk) 20:08, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Ah, apparently so. Thank you. CesarFelipe (talk) 20:44, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Curious

What show was playing on Fox 29 (the Buffalo one I believe) at around 1pm-2pm today (November 17, 2013)? Brambleclawx 19:06, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

According to their website, it was WarGames (starring Matthew Broderick). Tevildo (talk) 19:14, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

November 18

Black and white televisions

Earlier in the year it was reported that there were still 13,000 black and white television licences in the United Kingdom.[10] I am wondering if there was any reliable figure on the number of black and white televisions in use around the world. Hack (talk) 02:56, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I wonder if they still sell them. I've seen black and white CRT portables fairly recently, but with flat screen technology, there may no longer be any savings in black and white versus color. In theory the monochrome version should be slightly cheaper, if everybody bought it, but if the market is too small they will suffer in the economy of scale. Perhaps in 3rd world nations, where price is more critical, there's still enough of a market for them to overcome this. Then there's also sales of used TVs, some of which will be black and white.

And then there's taxes to consider. If the UK charges more for a color TV license, then I imagine a few stubborn people will stick with their old TV just to cheat the taxman. StuRat (talk) 04:46, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

It's only 5" but Amazon still has at least one model of black and white television. That said, it was also the only model I could find. Dismas|^(talk) 05:23, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I guess the target market for a B&W TV wouldn't be buying online. Hack (talk) 05:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Fair point. Dismas|^(talk) 06:10, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Is that "license" above and beyond the cable fee, or is it all one deal? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:40, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I gather the license fee is a tax to watch TV. Probably best to have a look at Television licensing in the United Kingdom. Hack (talk) 05:53, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it's a tax which funds the BBC. There are quite a number of digital channels which you can receive through an aerial on your roof called "Freeview", or you can subscribe to satellite or cable TV, but you have to pay the Licence Fee however you get your signals. Alansplodge (talk) 08:46, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Hack's assumption and Alansplodge's confirmation are not quite accurate. The Licence is actually a tax on the ownership of apparatus capable of receiving broadcast TV transmissions – even if said apparatus is not actually used, or even connected (e.g. sitting in a cardboard box, or lacking a power plug).

Neither I nor my parents (in separate households) own a TV, and are annually required (by aggressively worded postal enquiries) to confirm that we do not, and thus are (still) not evading the Licence Fee.

Some years ago, I bought my parents a portable TV/Video Player to enable them to watch videos, and had to have the vendor remove a vital component from the set's tuner and provide a receipt affirming this, in order that I/they didn't incur legal liability for the Licence Fee. (Yes, they've since upgraded to DVDs as well, but they still don't have a TV receiver.)

The rules also cover programmes that are being streamed over the internet simultaneously with their airwave broadcast, so I have to be careful not to watch such live streaming on my PC (lest I incur liability for a Licence, and am fined for not having one when I should), although I can, perfectly legally, watch previously recorded programmes made available by the BBC's own iPlayer service and by similar online services from other companies. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 212.95.237.92 (talk) 14:36, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Why would you call it 'cheating', StuRat? If it's perfectly legal and valid to choose to have a B/W TV, what's the issue? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 06:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm using a different sense of the word, as in "cheating death". In this sense, it's not illegal, but the party "cheated" might still feel disappointed. Note that this is similar to the original meaning of escheatment. StuRat (talk) 19:28, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

The difference being that originally it referred to someone's estate legally becoming the property of the state, whereas now it means someone being illegally deprived of something they're entitled to. Interesting redirection. Thanks for the enlightenment. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

It's only cheating if you have a B&W licence but actually watch a colour TV. But who would stoop to such trickery? Alansplodge (talk) 08:46, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

There seems to be something delightfully Orwellian about inspectors going around to people's houses with television detectors. Hack (talk) 09:03, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

People complain about government surveillance for terrorists, but they're just fine with the government spying on the use of their TV's? Something's wrong with this picture. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:00, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

There is a small fleet of detector vans for that purpose, with elaborate aerials sprouting from the roof, although it is a widely held belief that there is no equipment inside them - see Myth of the TV detector van? and How do TV detector vans work?. I've never seen one and allegedly nobody has ever been prosecuted on evidence obtained by one. BTW Bugs, don't the IRS investigate those who don't pay their tax in the US? Or do they just work on the principle that you're all honest folks? Alansplodge (talk) 16:22, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

The IRS largely does work on the honor system. Random returns are selected for audits, especially returns with peculiarities to them. If you've got your paperwork in order, there should be no problem. It does occur to me that the TV "license" is vaguely akin to the "personal property tax" in America, which is largely about cars nowadays. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:26, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

And if you have your TV Licence paperwork in order, then there's no chance of a visit from the inspector. Alansplodge (talk) 17:54, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Not being british, I've wondered about the BBC TV detector vans. I know they've always been mostly for intimidation, but detecting a CRT and determining what channel it's on is pretty easy to do, so I always assumed that they actually did something. Can flat-panel LCDs be detected the same way? APL (talk) 22:49, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

• Portable TV's with very small screens tended to be black and white, even in the 2000's, when I won one in a contest. I am not sure if the switch to digital and hi-def has changed this. μηδείς (talk) 19:02, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I noticed a bunch of b/w portables hitting stores really cheap shortly before the digital switch-over here in USA. That was in 2009. I remember being surprised it was even legal to sell them so close to the digital switch-over. APL (talk) 22:49, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Why would it be illegal, as long as the goods were properly described? I could legally sell my own beard clippings, as long as there was a market for it and people knew what they were getting. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 06:52, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

There was some rather deceptive advertising to dump the old stock of analog TVs. For example, they would say it was "HDTV capable", meaning that if you bought a converter box to change it from a digital signal to analog, this TV could display it. Of course, that was true of every analog TV, and buying a new analog TV knowing you would also need to buy a converter box made little sense. StuRat (talk) 07:45, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Making little sense for the buyers has never stopped people trying to sell unwanted stuff. That's why they say "caveat emptor". As long as the goods are appropriately described and meet all consumer protection laws (including no misleading advertising, and full disclosure where required), it's the buyer's responsibility to satisfy themselves they're buying something of value to them and the price they're paying is a reasonable reflection of that value. I certainly agree that selling an analogue TV without making it clear you'd also need to purchase a set top box seems to be veering towards unconscionable conduct, but IANAL. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 08:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

The Cramps video of "I Can't Find My Mind" made in 1980 at UCLA Melnitz Hall Studio One, directed by Eugene Timiraos & Bradley Friedman

i desire to make an addition to the entry for the musical band, The Cramps. I, Eugene Timiraos, directed, taped and edited a color video tape-with-sound of them lip-synching their song "I Can't Find My Mind." This video was made at the UCLA film / video school's Melnitz Hall studio one in Professor Shirley Clarke's class when I was a graduate student in the Master of Fine Arts program. This video was co-directed with Bradley Friedman. It was most recently shown at MOCA (the Museum of Contemporary Art in Los Angeles) during the "Under the Big Black Sun" series in 2011. How can this be added or edited into the entry for the ultra-groovy "psychobilly" musical band, The Cramps? Please assist. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fazul reet (talk • contribs) 06:30, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

If you can find a published source for the information it can be added. Personal knowlege is not verifiable so unfortunately we cannot accept "I was there" stories. (Perhaps the MOCA published a brochure or something similar about it?) Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:49, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Restaurant in Downton Abbey, season 4 episode 8

Hi all, I just finished watching the fourth season of Downton Abbey. In the last episode, Mary has lunch with Lord Gillingham in London in a restaurant that looks like a 19th century greenhouse. I was thinking it must be Kew Gardens, but it doesn't seem to be the Orangery or any of the other houses that are used as restaurants today. Can anyone tell what place this is? Thanks a lot, Groogokk (talk) 18:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I've not seen the episode in question, but, according to our article (which is cited to this article from the Telegraph), it may have been the Criterion Restaurant or the Saville Club. Do either of these look promising? Tevildo (talk) 20:36, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Please clarify, are you asking where it was filmed (which may or may not be an actual restaurant), or the name of the (possibly fictional) restaurant on the show ? Also note that DA is set in the early 20th century (1910's and 1920's), but I suppose, being rather traditional, they might choose to dine at an older 19th century establishment. StuRat (talk) 20:58, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Tevildo, I'm afraid it is neither of the two restaurants the articles mention.

StuRat, I don't believe they'd make up a London restaurant for the show, so I think that the one in question either existed once or does still exist. Its name was not mentioned in the episode. To clarify, I am looking for the name of the place where it was filmed.

I still suspect in Kew Gardens, because the building looks like a large Victorian greenhouse and the doors opened to what looked like a park, but I'd like to know for sure. Groogokk (talk) 21:27, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

November 20

Birthplace of Selena Quintanilla's parents?

I know that the dead Tejano singer Selena Quintanilla was born in Lake Jackson, Texas, but Selena's mother is half Cherokee and half Mexican and her father is a Mexican American, but other sources say he's Mexican. Where were her parents born? Haven't seen any information about that yet for some reason. Willminator (talk) 00:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Our article on her father Abraham Quintanilla, Jr. says he was born in Corpus Christi. Rmhermen (talk) 01:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that answers one part of my question. Now, what about Selena's mother? Where was she born? I still can't find any information on that. Willminator (talk) 02:51, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

P.S: I saw an answer on Wiki.answers that says that Marcella Quintanilla was born in Wapato, Washington, but I haven't seen any reputable source or any other source outside of Wiki.answers that answers where she was born exactly. Where was she born and where can I find this information? Willminator (talk) 17:17, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

If she was born in or before 1940, she would be in the 1940 US Census, although I don't know if that is indexed or not. RNealK (talk) 03:44, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Rolaids Relief Man Award

Can anyone find out what happened to the Rolaids Relief Man Award, given annually to the best relief pitchers in the National League and American League ? The award's web site has gone dead, no announcement about winners was made this year, but I can't find anything that states the award has been discontinued. I suspect there may be something about the sponsorship from Rolaids running out, but again, I can't find any source to confirm this, or any indication that a replacement award has been created. The award has been given out since 1976 and is quite prestigious, so I'm baffled that it seems to have disappeared without a trace or any public comment. --Xuxl (talk) 09:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't surprise me. If the makers of Rolaids decided they could get more bang for the buck with some other form of advertisement or sponsorship, they would want to avoid the negative press associated with withdrawing their sponsorship here, by ending it silently. For comparison, you see all sorts of announcements that new TV shows are arriving, but when is the last time you saw an announcement that one has been canceled ? StuRat (talk) 11:07, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

They use codes these days, Stu. A new show gets a big hypatious build-up for a few weeks (or months in some cases). But if, 3 weeks in, they announce the "season finale" will be next week, and be sure not to miss it, when they never said up front it was only ever going to be a 4-week season, you know there ain't gonna be no 2nd "season". Or when a new show is suddenly moved to a "special time", and maybe more than one such move, before the almost inevitable unexpected "season finale", that's code for "it's really not doing very well and we're seeing if more than few dozen people will watch it if we try a different time slot, before giving up entirely". Then, if you watch their nightly consumer watch program masquerading as a current affairs program, they'll be coming down hard on companies that engage in false and misleading and tricky advertising and other underhand and dishonest business practices. What a joke. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 17:38, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

It almost makes you feel like you need a Rolaid, doesn't it? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

A key question would be what date the award was announced in past years. I've been unable to locate that info. But one thing Xuxl could do is post an email from the Rolaids website and ask when this year's winner will be announced, or some other equally good leading question. If you get no answer, that might be the answer. It's worth pointing out that MLB has been issuing some kind of award for several years now. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Exploring the mlb. com site, I see they list the award winners from 1976-2006 without mentioning the sponsor, but omit the last few seasons. The mlb site also has the DHL Delivery Man Award, sponsored by DHL, but that's for one reliever per league, as voted on by fans. The Sporting News also had its own award (running from 1960 to 2010, see The Sporting News Reliever of the Year Award), but that also seems to have been discontinued. So it seems that there is no award for the best reliever in each league anymore. Unfortunately, I don't think this is enough to update the Rolaids Relief Man Award article, given the lack of a reliable source. --Xuxl (talk) 13:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

The MLB site has had a lone reliever of the year dating from 2006 to 2012. I saw some chatter about renaming the award for Mariano Rivera, but if they've discontinued these kinds of awards then it becomes moot. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:29, 20 November 2013 (UTC)