User talk:Cullen328

I don't live on Cullen Ct, but I like the street sign

Welcome to my talk page I use the name Cullen328 on Wikipedia, but you can call me "Jim" because that's my real first name. If you want to start a new conversation, please click "New section" at the top of this page. I keep the old comments from July and August of 2009 that follow the "Contents" here, because these friendly words of greeting made me feel welcome when I first started editing Wikipedia.

Thoughts on the importance of civility from Wikipedia's founder

"One of the great strengths of civility is that it helps others to see who is in the wrong - when you answer rudeness with rudeness, it only generates noise that makes it harder for people to properly reprimand the person who started it. Let someone be as obnoxious and disgusting and horrible as they want - respond to them with professionalism and don't sink to their level. By doing this, you strengthen the community, build a happier environment for all of us, and make it all the more clear who needs to be banned for general obnoxiousness." Jimbo Wales

The importance of a friendly greeting

Hello and welcome to my talk page. If you want to start a new conversation, please click "New section" at the top of this page. I keep the comments that follow from July and August of 2009 readily visible, because these friendly words of greeting made me feel welcome here on Wikipedia when I first started editing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:38, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Please offer your thoughts

I would appreciate comments and suggestions on any contributions I make. I am learning.Cullen328 (talk) 03:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice work on Jules Eichorn. He's been needing an article for a while.   Will Beback  talk  06:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

If I may suggest, now that you've posted the Eichorn article the draft below might be deleted. It's your talk page to do with as you like, but it's a bit hard to edit around.

As for formatting and pictures, a good way to learn is to look around at other articles to see what you think looks best. It can be helpful to break up long blocks of text into subsections. Perhaps it'd be possible to split the biography into two or three eras. Other than that, the formatting is usually kept fairly plain. As for photos, it's easy to upload them: the trick is in finding photos with appropriate licensing. If you have any personal photos then those'd be fine. There are might be pictures of the peaks he did first ascents on in the Wikicommons. File:Cathedral Peak.png is a so-so pic of Eichorn Pinnacle.

As before, feel free to ask if you have any questions. There are several editors here who are mountaineers or just admirers of the Sierra, so you're in good company.   Will Beback  talk  21:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

PS: Many editors create "sandbox" pages for drafting articles. For example, User talk:Cullen328/Sandbox.   Will Beback  talk  00:17, 1 August 2009

Your climber biographies

Hey Jim, just wanted to say welcome and thanks for your contributions to the Sierra Nevada climbing history articles. You're filling a niche that's been missing here, I look forward to working with you. --Justin (talk) 11:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll second that. Nice work on Allen Steck and welcome to Wikipedia. I don't know who you are planning to write up next but if your taking requests I think Peter Croft (climber) could really use a page. If you ever have any questions please ask. Thanks again for your great additions.--OMCV (talk) 02:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Justin and OMCV. I am beginning work on Tom Frost and Glen Dawson. Comments on Norman Clyde would be welcomed. I will defintely read up on Peter Croft, OMCV. I am still "learning the ropes" in Wikipedia, to use a climbing analogy, and have all sorts of things in mind. My biggest challenge right now is getting permission to use images. My next biggest challenge is hiking to the top of Mt. Whitney with my wife in ten days - she's never been above 12,000 feet except for the train ride up Pikes Peak. As she's 56 and developing arthritis in her toes, it will be an accomplishment if she (and I) complete the Class 1 feat. Jim Heaphy (talk) 02:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Debra and I made it to the summit of Mt. Whitney at 2:20 PM on Friday, September 11. Jim Heaphy (talk) 00:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

2012 Archive (first six months)

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Please comment on Talk:Cher

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I commented there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:41, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

James T. Butts, Jr.

I saw that you were active at BLPN and was hoping I might draw your attention to this article RE BLP concerns. There is currently an ongoing discussion about the use of op-eds and primary sources for contentious material. I posted at BLPN here, but in the past I have seen my BLPN posts archived without discussion or remedy unless I ask editors to participate, like I'm doing now. CorporateM (Talk) 15:54, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Although I do not have the time to delve into this now, I will take a look later. Please feel free to bring BLP matters to my attention at any time. Thank you, CorporateM. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:19, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

BTW - I wasn't sure if I disclosed my COI prominently enough to make it apparent and wanted to make sure you were aware. You'll see on my user page that I usually support corporate marketing departments in bringing their page up to GA status while following WP:COI. In this case I received an inquiry from a relative of the article-subject and was alarmed by what I saw, so I jumped in with some degree of urgency, before working out if a COI would be involved or not. CorporateM (Talk) 22:01, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate your forthrightness, CorporateM. Though I have not scrutinized your work here in detail, I know enough about your contributions here to have the preliminary opinion that you seem to be doing the right thing and conducting yourself well here. Though the day may come when we will disagree sharply, that is also true of my interactions with any editor. I extend to you the same core assumption of good faith that I grant any other editor. Please forgive me the stilted tone I adopt here, as you and I both know that your very presence here as an active editor offends some. I hope the day will come when we might have a full and frank conversation about many issues. But for now, let's be united in a commitment to fairness and the neutral point of view, and above all, in collaborative work to improve this great encyclopedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:01, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

It takes a lot of character for an editor to remain neutral, focus on content, and AGF in a COI situation. If what you say is true, you have more character than I. I fear that I have seen so much corruption in my "industry" that becoming jaded and paranoid is the only thing I can rationalize based on the empirical evidence. Anyways, if you are going to the conference in New York later this month, I'd be happy to meet you there.

Regarding this article in particular, it's a clear AGF all-around I think. The primary hold out at this point seems to be whether CityWatch is a reliable source. Probably what is needed is a couple more editors to provide input on this specific point to reach a consensus. I just didn't want to push the issue too quickly to avoid being pushy and demanding ;-) CorporateM (Talk) 04:56, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

I think that a good indication of an editor's commitment to NPOV editing is a willingness to disclose where they may have a COI, especially a financial one. For me, the article that raises the greatest issues about my own financial interests is Oxide jacking, as the business I own remediates such situations. On the other hand, less than 5% of my revenue is connected with this specific topic. I asked for advice from other trusted editors, especially since I self-cited. So, any comment or edit you might choose to make would be appreciated. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:25, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

I regret that it is unlikely that I will be at the New York meeting. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:30, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't think that really constitutes a COI at all, but at-a-glance the first thing that comes to mind is that it is overly-focused on the problem, rather than the science. CorporateM (Talk) 15:26, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Cullen. Just as an FYI, this article is pretty much worked-out and in pretty good shape now. There are a couple nits I have, like I think "rose through the ranks" in the Lead is slightly promotional. user:Hipocrite found a primary source (his official bio) that could be used to add his Bachelors of Science from California State University at Los Angeles and that he has a Masters Degree in Business Administration from California Polytechnic University at Pomona to the body of the article. I've also proposed some better sourcing, copyedits and trimming regarding the lawsuit content here, but all just nick-nacks.

Regarding the discussion about PR firms, I think anyone who wants to make an attempt to write their own articles is obligated show an effort to learn how to do so well, which means they almost have to join our volunteer ranks to gain the skills. The effort I put forth to help someone depends largely on how much effort I perceive they have made, but when it comes to just pointing out errors or attack pages, I think the relationship is reversed - when those concerns are genuine and fair - the community should provide a high degree of customer service and the PR person should not have to be a Wikipedia-expert to bring these issues to our attention. My rant on the topic. CorporateM (Talk) 15:39, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, since you couldn't make it to the conference, if you still want to have a full and frank discussion about COI, my Talk page is always open. CorporateM (Talk) 15:59, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I think that you have done a very good job here, and I have no problem with "rose through the ranks" or with citing college degrees to his website. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:22, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Meh, I try to avoid any kind of metaphors (he didn't literally "rise"), but WP:COIMICRO and WP:OWN are relevant here. It's always annoying when any editor frets about the small things and just as I expect volunteers not to hover over and criticize every word I write, I offer the same respect in return. One of the things I teach companies I work with is restraint. I'll leave the Request Edit open for this stuff, but I think it will ultimately be a "no consensus" issue and in those cases I am powerless to make what I perceive as improvements while following WP:COI.

One of the things that occurs often is that editors are VERY resistant to removing poorly-sourced controversies and criticisms, under the expectation that they are being hood-winked (that better sources exist that I am hiding) and the way we handle COI processes is generally disruptive to incremental improvements. In most cases, I myself won't feel confident that I got it just right until I get a strong GA review. CorporateM (Talk) 18:49, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I think that you have earned an assumption of good faith that you wouldn't hide sources, CorporateM. As for Butts, I see no point in mentioning that the Supreme Court declined to hear the case. They decline far more cases than they accept, and that fact seems run-of-the-mill to me, to use a metaphor. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:05, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Though I am not a legal expert, I agree. However, it is the type of subject where even if I made good edits I would be accused of whitewashing by an editor with a strong opinion on the subject. I won't make any article-space changes to it.

Regarding reputation, it is a frustrating endeavor, because as soon as I build a constructive relationship with a Wikipedian, they get banned, retire or grow frustrated with something unrelated that effects their editing. Also, we only have a handful of editors experienced in company pages and even less who have an interest in working with COI editors.

Ultimately volunteers can give my content a read-through, but it's not realistic for them to read through 30+ citations used in the article. Realistically I have to find someone willing to trust me and show a leap of faith - a trust that has not been well-earned by the paid editing industry in general. Any mistakes I make will probably be corrected in future iterations and are often not that different from the errors any editors makes.CorporateM (Talk) 19:20, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, I am a generalist and have written a few articles about businesses. I don't fully trust anyone including myself, but trust some editors much more than others. It seems unlikely that I will get banned or retire soon, but anyone can get hit by a truck. So, as I said at the beginning of this exchange, feel free to ask me to comment. If I am not interested, I will tell you so politely. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:30, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Sounds like a deal ;-) Nice chat. CorporateM (Talk) 19:38, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

On a completely un-related note, regarding your concerns about the Statement. Someone just told me that many of these PR agencies regularly edit Wikipedia on behalf of their clients, though obviously not from the usernames they signed the statement with. So it's possible you hit the nail on the head there. CorporateM (Talk) 12:35, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Move review notification

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Thanks. I commented there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:59, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Bai Fan

hi Jim, I'm new here and is trying to create an article for an actor. His name is Bai Fan but there is already existing title "Bai Fan", "BaiFan" and "Bai_Fan" who is a different person. Need your advice on how should I name the new article. Thank you.Ifan4ever (talk) 09:11, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Ifan4ever. The quick answer is to name it Bai Fan (actor), and to add hat notes to the top of each of the articles referring to the other. If you believe that the actor is clearly better known than the other person, additional steps will be needed once your article is in main space. Let me know. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:29, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

An SPI

You are mentioned and may have an interest in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ChildofMidnight. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 20:30, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Drmies, I found that presentation persuasive, though I don't claim to be a skilled sock hunter. I made a brief comment there. Thank you for the heads up. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:49, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Cullen. Drmies (talk) 04:00, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

In relation to recent BLP/N thread in which you made a comment

If you have the time, please comment on [1] and [2]--Ubikwit ^連絡 _{見学/迷惑} 12:51, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Survey for editors who mentor newcomer

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I filled out the survey. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:44, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

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Proper attribution for a photo on Wikipedia

Thank you for responding to my question. How should I attribute this photo?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ektara_player.jpg

Thanks.

Wikiwonderwhy101 (talk) 22:23, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello Wikiwonderwhy101. Any usage should credit the photographer, Md. Saiful Aziz Shamseer. A specific answer would require an accurate description of how you plan to use the photo. If on Wikipedia or another Wikimedia project, simply use the file, which contains the attribution. If used on another website, link to the Wikimedia page. In printed form credit the photographer and include a URL to the Wikimedia page. If you manufacture T-shirts or coffee mugs, credit the photographer and add the URL. Just do your personal ethical best. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:44, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate your answer, which is a lot clearer than what I have seen on Wikipedia. However, I have gotten frustrated with the process of trying to take care of a simple attribution, and selected another photograph in the meantime. I suspect a lot of people do that, since Wikipedia may try to be user-friendly, but does not succeed in many cases, such as this.Wikiwonderwhy101 (talk) 12:25, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar

For your tireless efforts in recent months to give full, engaging, and accurate answers to large numbers of newcomers' questions in a variety of places, including in particular the TeaHouse and of course your own talk page today (by my clock anyway). I would emulate your sterling work, but I just don't have that much time. I am very sure that a great many editors appreciate your help, and the encyclopedia benefits from it. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:53, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

You are very kind, Demiurge1000. Thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:55, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Jim

Jim, I would like to thank you for your support. I just saw your hint at the Teahouse. I haven't tried it yet, wanted to thank you first. I'm Cuban and I like the fact that you're one American who wants peace with my country. I am a professor of English, but I currently work as a photographer. If there's any help you think I might be able to provide, please, let me know. Warmly, Ahmed Mateo.

Welcome to my talk page, Ahmed Mateo, and thank you for your kind words. Please feel free to ask me questions about Wikipedia at any time. I am a 62 year old American who celebrated my 20th birthday in Cuba. I spent two months in your wonderful country, building homes and touring from west to east. I have also mentored a Cuban Wikipedia editor. My affection for your country and its wonderful people is deep and profound. I do not edit articles about Cuba very much, because I value neutrality on this project highly, and I do not want anyone to think I am not neutral. Perhaps I don't trust my own neutrality about a country I love so much. All of that being said, I want to say that I am delighted to hear from you, and hope that we can collaborate. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:56, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

I was here today, Jim. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:08, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back , Miss Bono! Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:15, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, wow, Jim, that certainly was a hearty welcome. I am 46, married,I have two children who live with me, one is 15 and the other is 20. these are both boys, plus one daughter that's 26 and has two children of her own, boys , too. She doesn't live with me because she was born in a previous marriage. She's also a teacher of English. Right now I'm all questions and very confused as I don't know exactly how to start or where, but be sure that I will be asking lots about Wikipedia and the world of free knowledge. Thanks again, Ahmed. I've got to warn you that I don't have a fast connection that's why I have to wait till night comes to talk.Ahmed Mateo (talk) 03:42, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I understand about slow connections, Ahmed Mateo, and yes this enormous project can be confusing to newcomers. Please feel free to ask any question at any time, and I will do my best to help. I live in the Napa Valley in California, and have been married for nearly 33 years. We have two sons, 24 and 29, and we own a small business. Our older son works with us. I am also interested in photography and have written several Wikipedia biographies of photographers. I take photos of flowers, for example, and share at least one on Facebook almost every day as a gift to my friends. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:53, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I just have to share this photo you took, Ahmed Mateo. It is delightful. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:51, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

What's up, dog?, a photo by Ahmed Mateo

Jim, when I signed in I was willing to share my photographs. So, feel free to use them at will. Thank youAhmed Mateo (talk) 03:12, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Teahouse

Hi - I was perusing the tea house and am interested In helping out. Is there a formal process to become a host? Thanks --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 23:43, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Obiwankenobi. Take a look WP:Teahouse/Host_start. But you can start answering questions at any time. Just pitch in. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:48, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

ah great, ok thanks. I'll give it a whirl before signing up formally as a host then. Best --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:32, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Topic Ban on ANI

Would you support the topic ban of Kjangdom at ANI?Heicth (talk) 17:03, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Although I am very concerned, I am undecided about such a restriction at this time. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:07, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Naturlogic

Hi Jim, much appreciate your help... our cooperative has a principal..I would like to get this across and I do think it may be of value to others. If I am totally wrong, no problem - I will not publish anything that doesn`t make sense to Wikipedia users. Our principles are applied locally by ourselves, but the idea is valid everywhere..and for everyone.

The cooperatives name is Naturlogic , it is a cooperative society in Andalucia/Spain (Europe).

thanks for your help.

Nik — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naturlogic (talk • contribs) 18:52, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello Nik, editing as Naturlogic. The first thing you must do is change your account name since it violates our username policy. Account name that imply that the account represents an organization rather than an individual are not acceptable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:11, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello again Jim..looks like someone already "took care" of me..I tried to go to my profile to change the user name but found that the page does not exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naturlogic (talk • contribs) 19:16, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The U.S. Barnstar of National Merit
		Hey Cullen328, I saw this barnstar and immediately thought I might award it to you for all of your many contributions to pages related to and within the United States. Thanks for all of your hard work! --Joseph Yanchar (talk) 23:05, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Joseph Yanchar. I try not to push my "Americanism" here on Wikipedia, but I am a proud patriot in my own quiet way. I will be working as a local precinct judge in Tuesday's California primary election, as I have for over 15 years. I have a modest but nice little collection of American flag memorabilia, and keep a flag and pole in my foyer. I really appreciate this barnstar. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:37, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Teahouse

	Teahouse Barnstar
	Very valuable work! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 12:57, 2 June 2014 (UTC). 12:57, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

All the best to you, too, Rich Farmbrough. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 14:54, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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What a mess! Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:32, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

ANI

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Thanks for the notification, Gamaliel. I have commented there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:16, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Admin Noticeboard Incident page

I mentioned you on the Admin Noticeboard incident page. Not in a negative way of course:)VictoriaGrayson (talk) 18:45, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for the notice. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:31, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Assistance with moving an article

Hi there Jim,

I was wondering if you had any advice on the following issue. On 18 May I posted in the following section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kelsang_Gyatso#Repeated_use_of_.22Geshe.22 and suggested that this article (Kelsang Gyatso) should be moved to Geshe Kelsang Gyatso (no response so far).

My reason for this is simple: This is the name by which he is most commonly known (e.g. he has written a number of books on Buddhism where he uses the name Geshe Kelsang Gyatso). http://www.tharpa.com/uk/

Another editor originally came up with this idea, and it makes sense to me.

Any ideas on how to go about this would be gratefully received.

All the best, Jangdom Kjangdom (talk) 20:07, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

I disagree, as "geshe" is a title, not part of a proper name. I commented on the talk page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:30, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Oubre

Yeah He is number 2 in positiona and number 7 overall and comitited to Kansas, and will be one&done. [1] Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss itCincao03 13:17, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

And 6th overall on Yahoo rankings. [2] Cullen³²⁸ Cincao03 Cincao03 14:17, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

If you truly believe that he is notable, then go for it. Be prepared for the possibility that others may disagree. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:28, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

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I commented there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:26, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Cedric Wright

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Thank you very much, BrandonWu. I am grateful. Cedric Wright has already appeared at DYK. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:25, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Your Message

Hi Jim...Appreciate the welcome! While I write about/speak about Wikipedia often in my academic writing/work as a great example of participatory culture, I've never been a volunteer editor. Recently, I tried my hand at editing some pro wrestling articles (as that is one of the areas of pop culture I write about and am even teaching a class on in the fall...) But, for the most part, I wanted to create an account so that I could help contribute to this discussion about communications professionals' need to talk more directly about ethical engagement with/consideration of the publics with whom their clients are trying to communicate...and, specifically, to support my own firm's pledge/statement to adhere with Wikipedia's COI policies (as has been the case at Peppercomm at least as long as I've been working with the firm in 2007/2008 and, as far as I know, well prior...In any case, you have my Facebook contact. You can also reach me at samford@mit.edu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leumas712 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Leumas712. I replied at length on your talk page. This matter is also being discussed at User talk:Jimbo Wales. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:23, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the note you left, Cullen328. Some (non-agency) colleagues had already referred me to Jimbo's talk page, which I've been reading. I do not have another Wikipedia account, nor have I ever. I created a Wikipedia account primarily so that people who wanted to know more about Peppercomm's stance on these issues or to talk about the statement would have an easy way to contact me, pose questions about the statement we issued, etc. I have spent some time reading several wrestling pages...but I was very conservative about what I was willing to edit, because I didn't want to flub anything up. (I spent a morning or afternoon looking at various pages, but I must have made edits to only one...and I focused on cleaning up some phrasing that was already there...) I primarily did that so that I would be sure I understood the technical mechanics. But I don't edit Wikipedia pages for work. Nor do we task any of our employees with editing Wikipedia pages. Nor do we hire someone to "edit pages" for us. If Peppercommers have Wikipedia accounts, they do so for personal rather than paid volunteer editing. And I didn't create this account so that I could start making edits for anything other than personal areas of knowledge--although I'm not pledging to you, either, that I'm going to be an prolific volunteer editor. At the moment, when I'm not working at Peppercomm, or writing, or teaching classes at WKU, I have a 5-year-old and a 2-year-old that occupy most of my time and brain-space. And I don't plan to change that for as long as they still think it's cool to hang out with me. To be very frank, if we have had clients who have an issue with something on Wikipedia, we give them general advice on what NOT to do up until the point they feel there is an issue about which they must pose a question, or suggest a source, or otherwise address--and, at that point, we go to someone who we trust and is a veteran in this space to handle properly advising them from there--because I don't have the internal knowledge or credibility it takes to do so, and I don't want our people jumping on Wikipedia with no history, nor for them to use a personal Wikipedia presence for work purposes. (By name, the organization we have worked with in that capacity is Beutler Ink...) But we also try to even take that route as conservatively as possible--and urge clients to stay away from even suggesting edits unless it's a situation that deal with a major inaccuracy, or a situation they feel they must rectify. I'm sorry if my creating an account primarily to have a place for people like you to contact me is seen as disingenuous; I am very much a supporter of the goals behind the Wikipedia project and have remained a proponent behind the ideals of the site in my academic writing, in the classroom, etc. I'm not trying to be sanctimonious here; I'm trying to be honest and candid. I hope I'm not unintentionally irritating you further. Leumas712 (talk) 07:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)Leumas712

hello

Can you kindly review my recent edits to Dave Brat? I've explained them here. Thanks! BlueSalix (talk) 06:40, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello BlueSalix. This article will need lots of work as time goes by. That being said, I think that you have improved it significantly, and explained your reasoning well on the talk page. Well done. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:04, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to you as well

		Sunshine!
		Hello Cullen328! Fylbecatulous talk has given you a bit of sunshine to brighten your day! Sunshine promotes WikiLove and hopefully it has made your day better. Spread the sunshine by adding {{subst:User:Meaghan/Sunshine}} to someone else's talk page, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. In addition, you can spread the sunshine to anyone who visits your userpage and/or talk page by adding {{User:Meaghan/Sunshine icon}}. Happy editing! Fylbecatulous talk 14:13, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jim! Well, here's an interesting WikiLove message I discovered...I tire of the same ones, so thought I would gift you with this.

Many thanks for your inquiry and sentiment. I never would consider it idle, coming from you. I am dealing with some harsh language as weapons in my own life with family. Moreover, I am also struggling to live down some I have dished out. These will probably be the last memories to leave me. I cannot seem to become incoherent fast enough.

On a more sunshiny note; I see the user who's talk page I stalked in my conversation with you, is also a Teahouse Host. ツ. I have now been on Wikipedia for two and a half years and being here is pretty much my only remaining purpose. Since I do lurk there, I might consider becoming a Host or at least an official guest. That would be some pretty peaceful Karma. Once again, thank you. I think of you often, actually, and consider you one of my Wikifriends. Fylbecatulous talk 14:13, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Fylbecatulous. That's very nice, on several levels. We can always use help at the Teahouse, and you don't have to be an official "host" to answer questions. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:11, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

RfC Opened

As someone who previously registered an opinion "Brat attributed this electoral victory to God," I am letting you know a RfC has been opened in case you want to reaffirm your position there. I am placing this notice on the Talk pages of everyone previously commenting on this topic who has not already commented in the RfC. BlueSalix (talk) 01:43, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I commented there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:10, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

New editor, need help with adding research papers

Hi Jim,

I am a law student and research assistant for one of my professors. I have been asked to incorporate some of my professor's research publications into wiki articles that relate to her research about employment law and intellectual property. I am worried about violating the conflict of interest/Neutral POV principles. Initially I did not believe I would have any issues, but the more I read about wikipedia policy the more worried I become. I want to add the content but I do not want to break any of the rules. Can you help me with what is fair game to add?

Hfarah1957 (talk) 18:07, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Hani

Hello Hfarah1957. You have a number of problems to contend with here. Please familiarize yourself with our Conflict of interest guideline. The purpose of references is to support encyclopedic content. Now, if a reference is lacking for an assertion, adding one is certainly justified. The best thing to do is to improve and expand the content of existing articles, or write new articles, adding references as you go. But going around looking for places to insert references to works written by a specific individual is definitely frowned upon, as this is considered spamming. Editors are expected to make improving the encyclopedia their highest priority at all times, as opposed to some other agenda. Let's say for the sake of discussion that there are five published papers on some aspect of intellectual property law, and that you are familiar with all of them. Let's say that one written by another professor is widely cited as the most comprehensive overview of the topic, and your boss wrote the second best paper. Citing the best paper best serves the encyclopedia. Citing the paper your boss wrote best serves your boss (and you) to the detriment of the encyclopedia. Please read WP:SELFCITE. Wikipedians have some jargon that is kind of nasty. An editor who does the will of others is often called a "meatpuppet". People perceived that way do not flourish in the Wikipedia editing environment, which can be harshly critical. It is to your credit that you are wrestling with such issues before making any big mistakes. Please free to ask as many questions as you wish. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:32, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

McKinsey & Company

Hi Cullen. I was wondering if I could solicit for your help sooner rather than later. This article about a management consultancy is marked as High Importance for WikiProject Business due to the level of influence they have in shaping business principles and with Fortune 500 CEOs, however these types of articles on business topics tend not to attract the interest of volunteer editors. The article is a bit of a mess because it is a work-in-progress (still the tags seem excessive to me). Anyways, I've submitted some content for consideration here. I don't know if it's just perfect yet, but it should be better than the mounds of unsourced/poorly-sourced stuff currently on the page. The available source material is vast and very polarizing, so it will take some time to get the page just right, but this is a solid first-draft. CorporateM (Talk) 22:03, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

I have read over the whole article, CorporateM, and your proposed changes and have a generally favorable opinion. I am somewhat familiar with the company and agree that it is an important article. I am wondering if the other experienced uninvolved editors who have commented on the talk page are no longer interested? I know that you want to get this done and I understand that, but from my point of view, I want to get this right. So I need a little time to ponder. I work slowly. A small question - why do some of your references have a colon and a number after them? Is that a page number? I am not familiar with that style.

Yah, those are page numbers. I think my comment was ambiguous, I just meant that I was asking for your help right after our prior discussion, not that it was urgent at all. WP:NORUSH of course.

A few editors have chimed in off and on. North8000 did some of the work, but was blocked by ArbCom for something unrelated. I think Candle also helped before being blocked for allegedly being a sock. user:Edge3 has helped - he/she has done some of my GA reviews and is very thorough. Guy Macon has chipped in; I notice that he/she has been experiencing health difficulties and as a result I would prefer not to bother them. Another editor (I forget who) offered to help, but said they were busy with a new job and I encouraged them to focus on their real-life responsibilities. Drmies provided some feedback on this section of draft material.

Typically on a page this large, different editors will chip-in for a section or two, but they are doing so because I asked nicely, not because they have a long-term interest in the article ;-)

Hope that helps clear things up! My "sooner rather than later" comment was just referring to how I am taking you up on your offer to help so soon after you offered, rather than later. CorporateM (Talk) 18:48, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

OK, I understand. I am leaving shortly for a Father's Day trip to a museum and a restaurant, but will delve into McKinsey later this evening. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:53, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Have fun! I've been working straight through the weekend, so I'll probably be on tonight if you have questions/feedback/etc. or need some research or material from me. CorporateM (Talk) 18:57, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

A friendly ping to see if you were still going to get around to this. I don't mind waiting if you need more time, but am trying to sort out if I should try pinging others - it's been on talk for almost a month and I still have a lot of ground to cover on this page. CorporateM (Talk) 13:38, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

I needed some time to think about this. I will work on this article tonight, CorporateM. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Cool, I pinged a couple other folks already, so I left a note on Talk saying you'd get around to it. I'm not a COI micro-manager (I wrote WP:COIMICRO), so I'd encourage you to feel free to make any changes you feel are appropriate whether in article-space or in the draft without consulting me. (that statement feels weird like it should be obvious, but people tend to turn COI situations into big bureaucratic approval processes)CorporateM (Talk) 15:29, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Teahouse

Thanks for the note. I have the habit of excessive brevity in anything I write. In the future, I will work on expanding my posts with fuller explanations of the subject. Best, Old Beeg _··warble·· 04:08, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Some of us are prone to brevity and I consider literate brevity a virtue. Some of us, sadly, are prolix. Finding the right balance is ongoing work. Our challenge at the Teahouse is to help the newer editors, while also helping them to help themselves. It is kind of like diving for pearls. Most of the oysters amount to nothing more than a bite, but a very small percentage develop jewels. You, perhaps? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:34, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Jim, I'm not sure I'm a jewel of the extensive additions and massive editing variety. But I have found a few minor changes I like making – adding ISBN numbers to books, adding and expanding authority control templates, and unfortunately, making userboxes. :-)

re: Carlos Dews - I wrote it because another article I was editing seemed to 'ask that it be created'. Then I also found two other articles to wikilink it to. I love how interconnected everything is. Best, Old Beeg _··warble·· 04:56, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

14th Dalai Lama page

Why did you preserve the D.S. Controversy section at 14th Dalai Lama? You are the who pulled it on June 7th, when you said "remove section as consensus has not been achieved on the talk page". Those are your own words. There is still no consensus. VictoriaGrayson (talk) 15:54, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I read quite a bit more about the matter and concluded that it is significant enough for a brief mention in the biography, with a link to the longer article. I removed POV pushing language. In my view, both sides of the dispute are not dealing with the issue neutrally, and I am trying to find the middle ground. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:43, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I think we need to go by academic consensus. The foundational scholar is Dreyfus, who is cited and quoted in all subsequent academic work, such as Kay's. Take a look at this brief academic article by Dreyfus on the Dalai Lama's reasoning. Any section in the 14th Dalai Lama's page should be based on this article, in my opinion. VictoriaGrayson (talk) 19:35, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

That article seems an attempt to describe the evolution of the Dalai Lama's religious thinking in broad terms and says relatively little about Dorje Shugden. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

It says:

his opposition to Shukden is motivated by his return to a more traditional stance in which this deity is seen as incompatible with the vision of the tradition (the “clan”) represented by the Fifth Dalai Lama.

Second, in this dispute the Dalai Lama’s position does not stem from his Buddhist modernism and from a desire to develop a modern nationalism, but from his commitment to another protector, Nechung, who is said to resent Shukden.

VictoriaGrayson (talk) 20:12, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

That's exceptionally brief. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:31, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

How to Cite Fonds

Hi Jim, I am back at my volunteer post today. I have had some time to contemplate the responses to my question of citing or adding pictures from our archival collections to other Wikipedia entries. While I appreciate the limited role archival information can play in an encyclopedia, I do believe there are pictures and materials that provide enhancements to an entry. (I think Wikipedia is morphing into something more than encyclopedias could ever have dreamed of, really.)

So my next steps, as I see it, would be as follows: (please feel free to advise me on this though) 1. Upload pictures(with watermark)to Wikipedia picture sharing site 2. Add pictures to the appropriate entry 3. Cite pictures as part of a collection (include website that links directly to the picture)

The bigger issue, in my mind, is the fact that archives collect primary sources. From what I can discern, Wikipedia is not appropriate venue for these sources. However, as Wikipedia evolves into the 1st place humans go to to find "authorized" information, will this change? Is there another commonly known website that can act as this type of clearinghouse?

I thank you in advance for taking time to answer my queries. I really appreciate it. ShannonPeaceofHistory (talk) 16:54, 16 June 2014 (UTC) Just to answer the question of copyright of photos. We have copyright to the photos that we have on our website, so yes. Further, they are pictures of our region- examples being city streets, farming, community school pictures, etc. ShannonPeaceofHistory (talk) 17:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello, PeaceofHistory. There is a clear distinction between how we handle pictures and how we handle other documents on Wikimedia projects. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not anything more than that. Technology and our worldwide volunteer base have allowed it to to grow far larger than any previous encyclopedia, but Wikipedia is not morphing. The Wikimedia Foundation also hosts many other free knowledge projects. Among them is Wikisource which is for freely licensed published documents. Freely licensed and copyright free images go to Wikimedia Commons. Addressing your three points:

1. Pictures you are willing to freely license should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. We do not allow freely licensed photos used on Wikipedia to have watermarks, per WP:WATERMARK. I believe that Commons has the same policy.

2. You, or anyone else, can then use those pictures for any purpose anywhere. They can be added to Wikipedia articles, based on consensus among editors interested in those articles. The license requires attribution to the copyright holder (your archive).

3. Although we do cite published documents used as sources in a Wikipedia article, we do not "cite" pictures on Wikipedia per se, but instead simply add them to articles with a caption that complies with our Manual of style for captions. Anyone who clicks on the picture will then have access to the underlying license, including the source and the attribution. I am not sure what you mean by "as part of a collection" as the license will mention your archive. All the pictures you upload can be categorized as coming from your archive, but that happens at step #1 on Wikimedia Commons, not here on Wikipedia. We just use the picture; we don't organize or categorize them.

I hope this clarifies things for you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:55, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Charles R. Pellegrino

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Hello old friend...

Hello old friend, may I ask a favor of you? I'm currently working through a backlog of deprecated and obsolete HTML elements across the wiki, and notice that your signature contains <font> tags which are obsolete. If you're willing, I suggest replacing:

[[User:Cullen328|'''<font color="green">Cullen</font>'''<sup><font color="purple">328</font></sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<font color="blue">''Let's discuss it''</font>]]

with:

[[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]]

which will result in a 161 character long signature (10 characters shorter) with an appearance of: Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it
compared to your existing 171 character long signature of: Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it
— Either way. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 09:37, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Tatyana Kozhevnikova

Tatyana Kozhevnikova

I have a lot of interests, among which are politics, American history, Abraham Lincoln, the history of mountaineering, the Sierra Nevada, Mount Shasta, the Arts and Crafts movement, Native American artists, wine, plein air landscape painting, Harley-Davidson motorcycles, the history of Michigan, and Judaism. I am a book lover, and look forward to fact checking and adding useful references to existing articles, as well as writing new articles on worthy subjects I have some knowledge of and interest in. Please let me know if signs of bias creep into anything I write.

I strive to be fair in my editing and broad about the kind of articles I work on. I am a Democrat, but wrote an article I'm very proud of about a Republican, Norman Livermore. I am a Jew, but wrote an article about a Hindu religious festival, Kalpataru Day and a Russian Orthodox church, Holy Virgin Cathedral. I am an American, but have expanded articles about people from all over the world.

Why are you against? Кот на крыше (talk) 12:33, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Among other things, I am against Wikipedia articles making false claims about someone holding a Guiness world record that doesn't exist. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 14:56, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

• Guiness world record 2003 № 58300381 Кот на крыше (talk) 17:49, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

My search of the official Guiness Book of World Records website yields nothing under that name, number or description. Please provide a link to the record on the Guiness site, Кот на крыше. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

nominating articles for the front page

Hi Jim, thanks so much for answering... and yes i would like to write something but first i think i should learn how to edit and also i want to get this little project off of the ground... implementing a more equitable representation of the human race in this encyclopedia  : )

i have a little question... when i first came on here i didnt know if i was signed up or not and could not remember my log on stuff so i did some things using the ip signature... now that i AM signed up i would like to meld that "account" together with fluffy's... is that possible and how would i go about it?

thanks, 2601:1:9A00:592:7ACA:39FF:FEB0:6D92 (talk) 04:24, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

now see?!!! i wasnt logged in but i had not logged out! this is so frustrating lol... fluffykerfuffle (talk) 04:26, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Fluffykerfuffle. Unfortunately, it is not possible to "merge" IP edits yourself with those made by a regular account. If it was a signed talk page comment, you can erase the IP address and sign with four tildes. But it is best to leave the article edits alone, unless you have security reasons to keep your IP address secret. If so, ask an administrator to help you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:34, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

As for Systemic bias, that is a real problem here. I try to be friendly to all new editors and have participated in edit-a-thons intended to recruit new women editors. But only a very small percentage of people who start editing stick with it for the long haul. It takes a certain quirky type of personality, which I don't fully understand myself after five years here. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:40, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

California topics

Hi Jim,

I guess I have one of those quirky personalities that drives people to wikimania. I don't even remember why I got started on Francis Farquhar. I've also tried to edit Clarence King, but I fear its basic style is too much like a mediocre term paper/book report. Maybe you'd like to tackle it some time. I did get two books about him out from the library to fact-check the article, but I'm not sure I want to spend the time.

Regarding the Book Club of California, I've combed through many pages of references using the suggested links (Google books, Google scholar, JSTOR, etc.), but not found anyone talking about the club itself.

Ann HarZim (talk) 05:20, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello HarZim Take a look at Book Club of California gala speaks volumes, an article from the San Francisco Chronicle. That should help. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:29, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Email

I just sent you an email. Can you reply ASAP, pleeeeeeease. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:36, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

You have been all over the internet, today, Miss Bono. At least the places where I hang out. Welcome back! Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:51, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me

Thanks for helping me at the Tea House. Can I pop over here to ask you for advice from time to time? Harmelodix (talk) 21:02, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

You are welcome, and you can ask questions here any time, Harmelodix. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:49, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks you looking at my proposed Curtis Lee page changes

I appreciate that you took the time to check on the proposed changes for the Curtis Lee page that I was asking about on Teahouse. Can you take a look at the new information there now, please. Kargandarr (talk) 04:33, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello Kargandarr. I simply don't understand the reason for listing any cover versions at Curtis Lee. They should be listed, and referenced, at Pretty Little Angel Eyes. Who wrote that song, by the way? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:44, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

This time it isn't on the Curtis Lee Page but is for the page about "Pretty Little Angel Eyes"

Kargandarr (talk) 04:48, 20 June 2014 (UTC)