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Hello Jim!

Again, best congrats to you on your nomination! I'd like a bit of assistance on creating the article for musician and actress "Eliz Camacho". Artist has very reliable credibility sources, photos and references, verified social media accounts, current affairs and are accepted by many wiki editors. What is your suggestion? Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/music/Performers,_bands_and_songwriters#A-L

Many Thanks! R3adyWrit3s (talk)R3adyWrit3s

• (talk page stalker) Looking at the 10 or so "sources", none of those are reliable sources, and probably shouldn't be in that requested list at all. In particular, the blogs, IMDB and the google search. You can't use a google search as a reference. From my experience, the first thing you need to do is find at least TWO sources that are both reliable (meet WP:RS, so are mainstream publications) and where the coverage is significant, meaning the article does more than just mention the artist, and instead the article is all about that artist. Language doesn't matter. That is always the safest place to start because if you can't find that, then it won't survive a deletion discussion so you would be wasting your time writing anything at all. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:55, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Cullen328. You have new messages at Vertium's talk page.
Message added 20:57, 25 July 2017 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I want to learn more from you about Wikipedia Deletion Policy.

Hello Sir @Cullen328:. I want to learn more about the Wikipedia Deletion Policy. I think that you can help me about this particular matter. Just for you to know, I currently enrolled in Counter Vandalism Academy to expand my knowledge about vandalism in Wikipedia. I hope that you can help me. Thank you so much and have a good day. Mark Jhomel (talk) 09:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Mark Jhomel. If you have a specific question, I will do my best to give you an informative answer. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:34, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Having not quite decided...

...if I should congratulate you, or extend my condolences 🙄. <--- explains my belated response. I wanted to share a template with you that a friendly template editor made for me upon request:  Self-whale... for when a trout just isn't enough! Cullen, congratulations and many happy returns! ^{Atsme📞📧} 17:08, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Atsme. I will do my best to keep the trout and whale incidents to a minimum, without being paralyzed by fear. See you around! Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:37, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Congratulations! and thank you for all the hard work you put into this great project and for stepping forward and assuming this great responsibility! Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 14:53, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Crystallizedcarbon. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:39, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Bit belated

congratulations on your remarkable RfA. It simply is a reflection on you as a real person that shines through the prism of "on line" that so many of us could discern, and voted accordingly. You are a kind, patient and wise man with immense WP and real life experience. You have helped many and been key in editor retention down the years. Often a simple kind word (I like the rather unfashionable word kind) makes all the difference between a confused/frustrated newbie going rogue or leaving, badmouthing WP in the real world, or them staying to become great contributors. You fully deserve it sir. Kind regards, Simon. Irondome (talk) 13:43, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Another slightly belated congratulations. I am glad I was early in the list of supporters and am sure you will do a great job. And your welcome! Donner60 (talk) 02:19, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

I appreciate both your remarks, Irondome and Donner60. Thanks. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:41, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Congratualtions

I thought you were already an administrator due to your diplomacy skills. I hope you see this as aconfirmation and recognition of your excellence as an editor. Best Regards,

Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 13:30, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks again, Barbara (WVS). It can be tough when you try to be different, and some people misunderstand. I really appreciate your comment. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:44, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Cracking WP:300 requires a Mughal celebration

	Congratulations
	Congratulations for the successful, momentous ,history making Rfa. Good wishes for your wiki journey with a mop. Please celebrate with this Indian dish worthy of a king. (This message was sent from a android phone)RADICAL SODA(FORCE) 09:15, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Forceradical. I love Indian food and am lucky to live in an area with plenty of great Indian restaurants. Plus, my wife is a great cook who owns half a dozen Indian cookbooks. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:48, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Three hundred and fifteen

Hello, Cullen328, and congratulations on your successful request for adminship and becoming an administrator! I hardly need to tell you that never in the history of Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, have we had a candidate gain adminship following the support of as many users as have supported you. So that you never forget this accomplishment, here are the three hundred and fifteen users who supported you in your request, in all their glory:

The three hundred and fifteen users who supported Cullen328's request for adminship

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Once again, well done and good luck in your future as a Wikipedia administrator! Linguist¹1¹ 08:29, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the list, Linguist111. I tried to send a thank you note to all of them. I hope I didn't skip anybody though I know I sent duplicates to a few. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:52, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

welcome to the mop corps

Congratulations on your successful RFA! It's your turn to hear what the puppy told me after my RFA passed – ten long, sordid, everybody-wishes-I-would-shut-up-about-this years ago:

Remember you will always protect the wrong version. (I got nothing here. It's inevitable. I'd be shocked if you haven't done it already.) Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. Without exception, you will pick the wrong one to do. (See #5.) Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll. (You'll attract many more of those now, because mop. They must like to drink the dirty water in the bucket.) Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block, because really, what else is there to live for? Remember that when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology. It will not be a personal attack because we are admins and, therefore, we are all rouge anyway. Finally, remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able. Katietalk 20:10, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

DISCLAIMER: This humor does not reflect the official humor of Wikipedia, the Wikimedia Foundation, or Jimbo Wales, because if it did, it would be much, much better. Or possibly worse. All rights released under GFDL.

Thanks, KrakatoaKatie. If I screw up, I will just hurl myself into a volcano. Problem solved. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:55, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

300

Rummaging around, I found this 6 year old admin T-shirt in a box in the garage, together with some old junk, and a can of violent violet spray paint and a fat pink marker. Best I could do in a hurry. Hope it fits. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:57, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Kudpung, I sure hope that FedEx has not lost my T-shirt. Thanks anyway. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:03, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

So, is that what you have to do to get a slightly-less-crappy admin T-shirt? Break all records? Record or not (although I am delighted by the record), Cullen will be an excellent admin and I expect him to bring credit to the mop brigade. Just one warning, Cullen: be careful what you do now, because some of your buttons will have changed. Confession: The very first admin action I took was to delete a page by accident; I hadn't noticed that the default Speedy action on Twinkle had changed from "tag" to "delete". Oops! --MelanieN (talk) 19:47, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Oh, and if you haven't already, you will want to create yourself a log: Template:Adminstats/Cullen328. Paste it on your userpage, or hide it in a closet, depending on how you feel about mopship. --MelanieN (talk) 19:49, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

MelanieN, where is the Teahouse for new administrators??? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:03, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

With such a recorder breaker, I better not see an ArbCom case pop up leading to your desysopping. That will really hurt us all.—CYBERPOWER (Around) 20:04, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I plan to stay on my best behavior, Cyberpower678. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:03, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

• Congrats, and thank you for running the gauntlet. I think it is obvious that you could have been an admin years ago. Glad to see you join the ranks, we never have too many level headed admin, and I'm confident you will do good things. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:28, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Dennis Brown. I consider you one of the best. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:03, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

• Congratulations! I am another editor who thought you had the mop for years. Well done.   Aloha27  talk  23:42, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I appreciate your support, Aloha27. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:03, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Congratulations! I knew this would happen eventually, and I can see you becoming an excellent admin. Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 18:27, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Rubbish computer. I love strawberries. Heck, I love food. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:05, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Congratulations on not only becoming an admin but for also reaching over 300 supports on your RFA!, I'm so so pleased for you! :), Happy editing blocking! :) –Davey2010Talk 16:42, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Davey2010. I will need many cold beers as I learn to use the toolkit. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:11, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

A beer for you!

We'll clink glasses the next time we see each other in person, but for now, enjoy your day as you certainly deserve to bask in it! Rosiestep (talk) 15:33, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Rosie. I will definitely take you up on that offer. For today, though, the brunch beverage will be Domaine Chandon. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:06, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

If I had known well in advance I'd have sent you a case of Crémant de Die just 30 Km from my house in France. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:14, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I would love to try it, Kudpung. But my wife and I had dinner at the Domaine Chandon restaurant with her parents and brother 36 years ago, a few days before our wedding, so there is a sentimental reason for selecting that bubbly. Also, I am supporting the Napa Valley economy. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:24, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) And me the Rhône Valley ! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:34, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I have been speculating off wiki, most obviously with MelanieN, about how many supports you might receive, but in retrospect I wish I'd gone down to Ladbrokes now and put a tenner on "over 300". Still, I have just had a glass of Cherry Tango with Rhonda and kids to salute you. :-) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:46, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I was totally surprised by the vote count, Ritchie333. But then, I was totally surprised by recent elections in both the UK and the US. My crystal ball is subject to a defective product recall. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:16, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

I told my wife before we transcluded that this would be a 300+. Didn't stop me from cracking open a 10 year old Lirac though (made at the cave cooperative from some of my own Grenache). She doesn't understand what all the fuss is about. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:41, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

My wife came to understand better, Kudpung. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:16, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Mopping

Big job!

Congratulations on such a sweeping RfA. I know you'll be a great admin! Binksternet (talk) 17:09, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I love the photo, Binksternet. I worked as a hospital janitor 40+ years ago, as I was working my way through college. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:09, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Coincidentally, I moved a mop around at my first job at McDonald's, along with other duties. :)

Binksternet (talk) 14:05, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Help please

Was doing some recent changes patrolling and can across IPs trying to added hateful stuff to this page Suicide of Tyler Clementi. Managed to get the page protected but this was left on the talk page [[1]] and was thinking should the IP be blocked for this? Know how to report IPs for vandalism but wasn’t sure if same process for this? NZ Footballs Conscience^(talk) 08:22, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that was really hateful, NZ Footballs Conscience, and another administrator has already removed it from public view. Thanks for noticing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:11, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Archive Navigator

• Hello sir @Cullen328:. Can you help me about the archive navigator in my talk page because it is not working even though there are already archives. Thank you. Mark Jhomel (talk) 09:07, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

I am sorry, Mark Jhomel, but I have no experience with the archiving software. Someone else was kind enough to set up archiving for me quite a few years ago. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:58, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Congratulations!

First EVER to get 300 supports and this is all Cullen328 gets?

• Congratulations on a very successful RfA! —MRD2014 16:31, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
• Congratulations for adminship !! CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 16:45, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
• Congratulations on perhaps the most successful RfA of all-time. You were a remarkable candidate and I have the utmost confidence that you will be a fabulous admin. Lepricavark (talk) 17:29, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
• Many many congrats C. The mop and pail are in good hands. MarnetteD|Talk 17:36, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
• Congratulations. I didn't vote because I only have 700ish contributions and I feel that it would be inappropriate to comment on the viability of more experienced editors for the tools but if I did vote, it would be a hearty support because I know you are a real high quality editor. Again, congratulations! -=Troop=- (talk) 17:54, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
• Congratulations! Though they belted you and flayed you, etc. etc. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 19:38, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
• +1 — MShabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 20:03, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
• Thanks again for running, just don't delete the main page. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:55, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
• Cheers! -Location (talk) 00:06, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Teahouse for new admins

Hi, Cullen! Has your head stopped spinning yet? 0;-D I see that you asked me, is there a Teahouse for new administrators? But you asked it half-a-page above, buried amid all the congratulations, so I thought I'd better reply here at the bottom of the page where you can see it (and others can chime in). There is a help page, formerly called New Admin School, now called Wikipedia:Administrators' guide. That can be helpful in learning to use the tools, although it gets out of date (I had to make several corrections when I was a new admin hoping IT would teach ME instead of the other way around). It also links to pages where you can practice using the tools. There probably should be a central place to discuss adminship issues but as far as I know there isn't. The usual thing is for the new admin to simply ask for advice at the talk page of other admins you trust to serve as a kind of mentor. This is a way to get connected with admin thinking on the judgment calls, like when to protect pages and for how long, or when to block and for how long. I'd be glad to serve as one of those people on issues where I am competent (which does not include everything admins do, even now). Any stalkers here have any suggestions of a more general place for admins to ask questions and (if necessary) blow off steam? --MelanieN (talk) 16:21, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

The most important piece of advice I can give is, "you are not indispensable". Any action you're not sure of, leave it for someone else to do—there is literally no circumstance where the admin taking the decision needs to be you, and if you're unsure of anything, it's a lot better for all involved to let someone else make the decision.

The admin area I always recommend a new admin start off in is CAT:EX. It's generally backlogged so there's usually something to do, most of the decisions are uncontroversial as everything in there has by definition had a week to be contested if it's actually contestable, and it will provoke a steady stream of complaints from well-intentioned newbies on your userpage which provides good practice for the "politely explaining policy" aspect of adminship. (Just don't be afraid to refuse to delete articles if you think they're worth keeping, even though it will always provoke complaints.) Steer clear of blocking and protection until you're more well-established—while deletion gets the publicity, it's actually probably the least contentious of the three main admin areas. ‑ Iridescent 17:05, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Good advice by both of you. Deletion is the easiest to reverse. It's hard to reverse a block, as the damage is already done. WP:RFPP is another good place to start. You might also consider adding some helper scripts. My common.js has several. Some are editor only, but the MfD and AfD scripts are a must, the CSD script is also handy. Feel free to email or ping me here if you have a question. And yes, the admin school is very good, but you will never stop learning, there is too much to master here. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 17:47, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Yunshui has a pretty good to-do list that I leech off of help with: User:Yunshui/To_do Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:50, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

One other bit of advice: don't feel you HAVE to do any of the usual admin things to earn your mop. You said a main reason for asking for the tools was so you could view deleted articles and respond to questions about them, and that is also a much-needed service here. As Iridescent said, there are lots of other people doing this stuff. BTW one piece of advice about RFPP, which is my favorite (it's about the only admin action for which you get thanked): on every occasion before you start patrolling there, look at the history to see if there is any OTHER admin also actively patrolling. If there is, go away and do something else, so you don't edit-conflict. --MelanieN (talk) 18:07, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much, MelanieN, Iridescent, Writ Keeper and Dennis Brown. I really appreciate all of the advice. Yes, the head spinning has died down a bit. I spent a couple of days thanking 315 people and responding to the wonderful comments and bad jokes that flooded my talk page and my Facebook page. And I am in the midst of six solid days of challenging work IRL. I am self employed which means that my boss is a harsh taskmaster. At least I am making very good money this week.

The Teahouse for new administrators comment was a wistful joke, of course. I know that there are many excellent administrators that I can turn to for advice. And I will.

I have had a page for a while called User:Cullen328/Tools and I will be adding links to it as I learn about various things. I have begun studying the Administrators' guide. And I was easily able to read some deleted hateful talk page content, which enabled me to give a more informed response to an editor. So, it begins. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:11, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

I will second (or fifth) the suggestion that deletion and RfPP are good starting points. I pretty much stuck to CSD and page protection when I fist got the bit. I suggest avoiding the drama boards and similar type places where you may have to lower the boom on people. I still try very hard avoid ANI which I have always hated. That said sometimes things will just land in your lap and you will be that guy on the spot. When I went to RfA I had this insanely naive idea that I was going to be the first admin to get through six months w/o blocking anyone. Alas I don't think I made it through 24 hrs. As it happened I was working through the CSD log and blundered onto a G10 attack page that was just crazy over the top. Naturally I made it go away but then I realized that there was no way I could ignore the author and I'd have been ashamed to refer such an obvious troll to another admin. So much for fantasy land. Just take it one day at a time and don't be afraid to ask questions. You are one of the most level headed people I know on here. I don't see you blowing up the wiki. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:13, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

If you like the to-do list, you'll love my list of favourite tools... there are a few handy admin things there. And I believe I neglected to welcome you to the cabal corps myself - congratulations; I'm extremely glad you made the cut (as if there was ever any doubt!). Yunshui ^雲_水 07:49, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – August 2017

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2017).

Administrator changes

Anarchyte • GeneralizationsAreBad • Cullen328 ^{(first RfA to reach WP:300)}

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• Following a series of discussions around new pages patrol, the WMF is helping implement a controlled autoconfirmed article creation trial as a research experiment, similar to the one proposed in 2011. You can learn more about the research plan at meta:Research:Autoconfirmed article creation trial. The exact start date of the experiment has yet to be determined.
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Congratulations!

Congratulations Cullen, on becoming an administrator! That is something I don't think myself or many others will ever become. Векочел (talk) 18:11, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Great news, indeed. Cheers! DN (talk) 05:40, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Belated congratulations! Coretheapple (talk) 22:56, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Векочел, DN and Coretheapple. I appreciate it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:56, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

administrator noticeboard

Hey Jim how are you. One thing struck me that you said. You were greeted when you first started editing in a friendly and helpful way this made you feel good and today you are very successful at Wikipedia and enjoy your editing here. My experience has been quite different. From day one last year I have been badgered, bullied, threatened, insulted, called a vandal you name it. Simply for editing in facts with plenty of proper RS. Let me give you a seasoned experienced editor a problem and you tell me the right way that you would go about handling it. The article is about a football Coach X who takes over a long suffering poor club and puts together an impressive 8 year record, winning three super bowls and finishing with a superb 98-30 record. Now what if the prior fired Coach Y writes an autobiography stating that he engineered the turnaround even though his record was terrible. He set the record for the most losses in league history, but then in his last season won a few games. The Wikipedia entry (for coach X) goes like this: Under Coach Y's leadership the team improved more rapidly and dramatically than anytime in league history, further the amazing turnaround and super bowl run began under coach Y. At the same time the editor adds commentary deriding coach X and saying he was just lucky.

Now you simply try to add to all this effusive praise of coach Y the fact that he also lost the most games in league history one year for balance and context THEY REVERT YOU

You simply add the effusive praise is "according to coach Y's autobiography" THEY REVERT YOU

You add a little credit for coach X's great work THEY REVERT YOU

You try a lot of different edit approaches to this problem THEY REVERT YOU ENTIRELY each time

Now keep in mind you have been using the talk pages extensively for a year, there is a small but determined group against you representing a minority opinion, they will not budge. You are friendly to them and they deride you. You have a ton of proper RS for the mainstream viewpoint and these guys are using the autobiography as their source. You have gotten support from passersby on the talk page but are not organized.

Do you just quit and leave the incorrect info to stand in Wikipedia?

I would be interested to honestly hear how you would handle this.Aceruss (talk) 03:35, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Aceruss. If I was you, I would start by addressing the issue of edit warring. I got one mild warning about edit warring in my early days of editing, read the policy, and never, ever, ever engaged in that behavior again. Then, if I was you, when I was talking about Rudy Giuliani and David Dinkins, I would state that clearly, instead of spinning a parable about football coaches. That seems disingenuous to me. If I was in a protracted content dispute on a specific article or pair of articles, I would seriously consider moving on and forgetting those articles. Personally, I consider a strong focus on a handful of articles to be incompatible with long term happiness as an encyclopedia editor. Let me say at this point that I have not looked at the underlying issue. I am answering in general. I believe that it is counterproductive to try to assign credit or blame to individual politicians for decreases or increases in local crime rates. Far better to discuss the full range of sociological and criminological factors that affect crime rates over decades. But that hard work is no fun. If I really felt strongly about such a specific article, I would utilize dispute resolution. I certainly would not engage in edit warring behavior. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:51, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough. I proposed a fair resolution to the editor who lodged the dispute after reading his response. Hopefully we can work it out and that will be that. If not perhaps I will use dispute resolution in the future. I was not familiar with its workings. Take careAceruss (talk) 05:35, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

My first request of Adm Jim!

Hi, and congrats again. Since you have more experience at the Teahouse than any other admin, I thought I'd bring this problem to you. If you take a look at WP:TH#To change username, you will see a reply there that "appears" to be from an IP. (Less than optimal advise, but that's another issue.) That "IP" is actually registered user 2422889236x. Isn't that a violation of username policy? Thanks in advance for whatever you think the best thing to do! Peace! John from Idegon (talk) 19:53, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, John from Idegon. My tentative opinion is that username is suboptimal but probably not a policy violation. If it was interspersed with periods or colons, it would look much more like an IP address. If you want a more definitive answer, please ask one of the active administrators at WP:UAA. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Jim. I guess I misstated my problem. His signature is an IP address. I'll slide over to UAA and see if anyone is at home. John from Idegon (talk) 20:56, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

I see what you mean now, John from Idegon. That signature is definitely misleading. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:02, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

I've contacted Alexf per your advise above. I've already discussed his sub-optimal response with him and politely asked him to hold off answering any more Teahouse questions until he has more experience. John from Idegon (talk) 21:11, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

John from Idegon, I have left a message on the editor's talk page, asking them to change their signature. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:27, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

My first request to mediator Jim

Remember my RfA question? Please look at Duruflé's Requiem and try to focus the parties to the question at hand. I tried to talk to the IP on one of the numbers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:48, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Gerda Arendt. I am sorry but I do not think that I can be helpful in that out-of-control conversation. I suspect that ArbCom will eventually have to issue some strong and sweeping sanctions regarding infoboxes. My friendly and entirely optional suggestion to you is to have nothing whatsoever to do with infobox debates. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:59, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

I have nothing to do with infoboxes debates, that's why I ask you ;) - A friend has been called a "nasty individual", that has nothing to do with infoboxes. ANI would be the next step, which I have never done, but consider in this case. It's not without irony that my friend is just EotW ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Forgive me one more question: are you saying that if it wasn't about an infobox, you would give some advice to an IP who goes against 5 established users (four of whom women)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:55, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I realise I'm a simple man, but you've asserted you have nothing to do with infoboxes, yet in your last two posts here you have mentioned the word three times. Cullen's right, we've got to just ignore all of this (and by that I mean that if somebody reverts an infobox, you do nothing, don't save a diff of it, don't mention it on anyone else's talk, nothing at all) and get on with writing articles - avoid the Parkinson's bicycle shed effect. I do like the articles you write here Gerda, but some of the discussion here seems to be technically indistinguishable from trolling at times. Sorry. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

I never said that I have nothing to do with infoboxes. I said that I (usually) have nothing to do with infobox debates, stress on debates. There are two exceptions: RfC, and this case, where I was reverted like a vandal, and asked the IP (on the article talk and the first of five IP talks) if it was a misclick. I will not do it again, waste of time even that. Normally, when I'm reverted (which doesn't happen often), I leave the talk to others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:34, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

At least you don't get accused of "admin abuse" when you revert someone ;-) By the way, to answer a question you posted elsewhere, a "blot" on something is something undesirable or unpleasant. For example (to take an article I'm working on) : "The original Waterloo station was a blot on the local area, with rundown properties, disease and prostitution, and its demolition and rebuilding was welcomed". Or something like that. Nothing to do with the Belgian blues band Blue Blot. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:41, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

(ec) I don't revert, period, - not an infobox at least. I do revert vandalism, and I know the difference ;) - I just read the 2016 debate again, and really smiled in the end, - Voceditenore has a wonderful way of wording.

Thanks for the word? So this is a blot? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:57, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

It seems that I must narrow and focus the language of my recommendation to you, Gerda Arendt. I withdraw the word "debate". I really and truly believe that you should have nothing whatsoever to do with infoboxes. This is my recommendation to you, speaking as a fellow editor and as a new administrator. Do not propose infoboxes, do not ask questions about infoboxes at RfA, do not discuss infoboxes with other editors, do not complain about other editor's conduct regarding infoboxes, do not allude to or hint at infoboxes, and conduct yourself as if infoboxes did not exist. Please, it is my sincere opinion that nothing good whatsoever will come to you or this project if you continue any involvement with infoboxes. Please stop it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:52, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

This is a topic ban in so many words. Can I ask why? For the record, the only time I've been involved with this (seemingly of enormous importance!) issue of infobox usefulness is when I was recently bot-invited to an RfC. But to one thing I can attest: Gerd Arendt's comments and complaints about a specific individual's entirely uncivil comportment are entirely legitimate and, from where I stand, far more important than infoboxes. If Wikipedia is to stay this admirable place of collaborative effort, our focus should be on maintaining a good working environment here. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 03:34, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

No, I am sorry but you are incorrect, The Gnome. This is not a topic ban. I am describing my personal opinions and beliefs about this matter, and am not taking any administrative action. Gerda Arendt brought this matter to my attention, and I have expressed my sincere opinion, making it clear from the beginning that my suggestion is entirely optional. I have expressed similar opinions to Gerda several times in the past, before I became an administrator. The incivility on that talk page is coming from several editors and flying in all directions. Everyone involved should desist. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:26, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Jim, I heard the advice before. I can live with it if you tell those on the other side the very same thing, - I came for mediation. I told Ritchie that the infobox wars were over on 24 March, when the piano concerto appeared, setting a quality standard for classical musical compositions (not composers). - We had several peaceful months since, but now I see new flames which I would like to see extinguished. I understand that you don't want to help, and that al reasonable people avoid the topic ;) - I do my work In memory of Viva-Verdi. Gnome, you may not have heard of him. He added infoboxes to all Verdi Operas, a topic he knew better than anybody else on Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:12, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, every time I have commented in general on infoboxes, I have criticized both advocates and opponents equally. I will continue to do so. I consider the whole matter to be one of the most useless wastes of time on Wikipedia, but a lot of editors feel passionate about this ongoing battle, for reasons that completely evade me. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:23, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I agree, fully.

• do not propose infoboxes - the last infobox I proposed was when Pierre Boulez died
• do not ask questions about infoboxes at RfA - easy
• do not discuss infoboxes with other editors - example?
• do not complain about other editor's conduct regarding infoboxes - that is a problem, which I worded above: if it was not about infoboxes, the conduct ("nasty individual" and much more) would have consequences, but everything seems to be permitted when it comes to them?
• do not allude to or hint at infoboxes - example?
• do conduct yourself as if infoboxes did not exist - that is impossible because they do, and are intended to help readers. Infoboxes have been added to classical compositions peacefully from 2007, - about time that sinks in. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:32, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

I regret that you do not choose to take my advice, and instead choose to advocate for infoboxes here on my talk page. I wish you well, Gerda Arendt. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:37, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

I cannot believe that we would treat an issue of evidently little actual importance (indeed, "one of the most useless wastes of time on Wikipedia") more seriously than the issue of editors' behavior. In the RfC in which I had the misfortune to participate, I saw the venom and the personal attacks coming mostly, if not exclusively, from the "no infoboxes" group in yet one more instance of unwarranted passion in Wikipedia. But, in any case, if there were transgressions on the "be civil" rule from everyone involved, then the admin axe should have fallen every which way. I'm truly sorry that this is still about the damn "infoboxes" rather than the name-calling, with Gerda Arendt being one of those on the receiving end of the ad hominems. Anyway, take care, all. -The Gnome (talk) 17:24, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Cullen I just wanted to make one point, as I just saw this discussion. It's very hard for editors who could care less about infoboxes not to be drawn in to the "infobox wars." I've been involved in a grand total of 'two infobox discussions, both due to the RfC bot putting me there, and both involved bludgeoning as if it was going out of style. Here was my first exposure to infoboxes. At that point I unwatched the article and I have no idea if it was resolved. I believe the discussion was closed by an involved party. My second was a couple of weeks ago, also via bot, and with a similar outcome. I don't think "splitting the baby" is the correct approach. Coretheapple (talk) 17:37, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Die Gedanken sind frei. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

I like your approach on the article talk, Jim, thank you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Oakland

If you do meet up with Jorm please convey him my warmest regards. I never got round to thanking him for the real, solid bronze barnstar he gave me in London shortly before he quit the WMF. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:17, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I will do so, Kudpung. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:20, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies. Legobot (talk) 04:23, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Congratulations!

I heard about your RFA and totally forgot to vote, but I remember you being one of the first people to meet on Wikipedia. Even more, I'm proud to say my first GA review - Talk:Vaillancourt Fountain/GA1 was one of the articles you noted were a part of your best comment...Congratulations, and I"m sure you will be one of the best administrators here! :) MrWooHoo (T • C) 17:34, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much, MrWooHoo. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:38, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Question

Hello Cullen! I wanted to ask a question about the Teahouse. Since it's designed to be a friendly place, if a user is persistently prolonging the discussion despite of being answered multiple times, is it appropriate to close the discussion? So that editors may focus on other users in need. Or is it better to just leave it the way it is? Thanks in advance! Regards, Alex Shih^Talk 01:55, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

It is an honor to have you stop by, Alex Shih. You raise an interesting question. Although there are no formal guidelines, we have very rarely closed or hatted threads at the Teahouse. Occasionally, someone gets so disruptive that the thread needs to be closed. My thinking is that should be kept to the bare minimum since the Teahouse should be a place where new editors acting in good faith should be allowed to ramble a bit. My practice has been to ask borderline disruptive new editors to "cool it" on their talk pages rather than chastising them at the Teahouse, which might be embarrassing to them. My general attitude is "friendly but firm", but every situation is unique. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:07, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

You are too kind. Thanks for the insightful response, I will apply the same approach as you said. Alex Shih^Talk 06:11, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Template talk:Donald Trump series

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Template talk:Donald Trump series. Legobot (talk) 04:23, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I will pass on that one. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:31, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

The BitConnect Coin page

• Thank you Cullen328 for your commemnt on my Teahouse post, you pointed out that some of the links/sources are not fit as sources to the page (draft:BitConnect Coin), which I will try my best to remove those I think isn't fit enough but I will also appreciate it if you can, with your massive experience on this platform help remove sources that you think do not fit in. I'm quite sure it's not all the sources that are bad some are from highly reputed websites but I believe you are in a better shoe to make the judgement of which source is right or wrong... Apart from the sources, I hope the tone of the content complies with wikipedia rule of article creation, I'm a Computer Science student and not too good literary though I've worked extensively on the content to make it sound as neutral as possible and even had it proofread by my roommate, an English Language student here on campus, but if you think otherwise please let me know how I can improve and make it better. Hope to hear from you soon.Midlandcraft (talk) 10:30, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Midlandcraft. Do you have any personal connection to this crypto currency? If so, please declare your conflict of interest.

Before I do any work on your draft article Draft:BitConnect Coin, I need to be convinced by the quality of the coverage in your references to reliable, independent sources that this topic is notable as Wikipedia defines that term. So, it is your job at this point to remove all poor quality references from blogs, press release reprint services, BitConnect Coin itself, social media platforms and the like. Keep only the references from high quality independent reliable sources with professional editorial control and a reputation for accuracy in reporting on business and finance. I checked the first seven and none was acceptable. There are 29 in total. Remove those seven and go through the rest of them and remove any others that are not reliable sources. Leave only the highest quality reliable independent sources that will convince experienced Wikipedia editors that the topic is notable. Then, following the instructions at Referencing for beginners, transform all of the bare URLs into fleshed out references with bibliographic information.

Once you have completed those basic tasks, then I will do another review of your draft article and its references for you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:29, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

• Thank you for comment Cullen328, About the Conflict of Interest issue, I don't have any personal interest whatsoever with the cryptocurrency coin, I've done several edits to cryptocurrency pages like Litecoin, Auroracoin, Dash and so on, when I found BitConnect Coin didn't have a page unlike others I decided to create one.

I will get on what you suggest me to do as soon as possible and get back to you when I think I'm done. Thank you I really appreciate your comment and support.Midlandcraft (talk) 09:35, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

• Hello Cullen328 Thank you for your guidance so far, I've learnt new procedures like how to transform bare url to a more acceptable url and so on. I've done what you told me to, to remove sources of poor quality and transform the page URLs into fleshed out references, Kindly check it out and review it, Let me know if you think it's fit to go live though I personally think it is....You may want to see the revisions I made. ThanksMidlandcraft (talk) 04:59, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Midlandcraft. Your first reference is a blog post signed with an anonymous handle. Your second reference is to Coinpedia. I searched that website and could not find the name of a managing editor or an office location. Your third source, Cryptodetails, also lacks information about a managing editor or an office. This page indicates that they republish information furnished by coin promoters. None of these are reliable, independent sources. Without such sources, no acceptable article can be written. Do you have any reliable sources? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:23, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Alright I will look for more reliable sources and addMidlandcraft (talk) 09:17, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you so much for your support at Teahouse on August 2nd. It was really helpful to understand. Sorry for late reply since I was in the summer vacation. Best regards, Pinablue JPN (talk) 21:47, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Pinablue JPN. There are no deadlines here. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:08, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

The National Museum (Sultanate of Oman)

HELP PLZ RITE ACCEPTABLE CONTENT

Hello, Anonymous editor. Please sign your posts with four tildes. Typing in "all caps" is considered yelling on the internet. Also, today is not April 1. Otherwise, thank you for dropping by. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:22, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Ha it was only me. Surprise! :) Drmies (talk) 12:36, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Bored?

Hey Jim, probably outside your area of interest, but I caught an interesting topic in the New Pages queue this morning: History of the Jews in the Southern United States. Much to my surprise there do not seem to be any regional histories of the Jews in America, despite fairly vast available sourcing. I've gotta go to work now, best, —tim /// Carrite (talk) 17:17, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

James Ibold

Cullen³²⁸ In the mention of James Ibold deletion. He produced Albums and a couple for Big Joe Duskin. A lot of people don't take him well. Very Much of a self proclaimed Expert. Really played with Duskin all over the world and for over 30 years... so it takes a writer to tell you? http://www.randytuten.com/cgi/webdata_portfolio.cgi?fid=1003457021&query=all_search%3Drt0%26allany%3D%2Band%2B%26cgifunction%3DSearch%26pagenum%3D5%26cgisort%3D2%26cgisortorder%3D0&cgifunction=form 74.142.206.110 (talk) 12:28, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Sorry, but playing for 30 years does not make a musician notable, and neither does a concert poster. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:12, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

More belated congrats...

...on your successful RfA! I may not have been around for a while, but what I've seen of your work here both before and since my hiatus tells me that you should be a hard-working, knowledgeable and fair admin here. —GrammarFascist _contribs^talk 21:59, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind remarks, GrammarFascist. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:06, 15 August 2017 (UTC)