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Q1: Shouldn't all the images of Muhammad be removed because they might offend Muslims?

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There is a prohibition of depicting Muhammad in certain Muslim communities. This prohibition is not universal among Muslim communities. For a discussion, see Depictions of Muhammad and Aniconism in Islam.

Wikipedia is not bound by any religious prohibitions, and it is an encyclopedia that strives to represent all topics from a neutral point of view, and therefore Wikipedia is not censored for the sake of any particular group. So long as they are relevant to the article and do not violate any of Wikipedia's existing policies, nor the laws of locations where Wikipedia's servers are hosted, no content or images will be removed from Wikipedia because people find them objectionable or offensive. (See also: Wikipedia:Content disclaimer.)

Wikipedia does not single out Islam in this. There is content that may be equally offensive to other religious people, such as the 1868 photograph shown at Bahá'u'lláh (offensive to adherents of the Bahá'í Faith), or the account of Scientology's "secret doctrine" at Xenu (offensive to adherents of Scientology), or the account at Timeline of human evolution (offensive to adherents of young Earth creationism). Submitting to all these various sensitivities would make writing a neutral encyclopedia impossible.

Q2: Aren't the images of Muhammad false?

A2: No claim is made about the accuracy of the depictions of Muhammad. The artists who painted these images lived hundreds of years after Muhammad and could not have seen him themselves. This fact is made absolutely clear in the image captions. The images are duly presented as notable 14th- to 17th-century Muslim artwork depicting Muhammad, not as contemporary portraits. See Depictions of Muhammad for a more detailed discussion of Muslim artwork depicting Muhammad.

Similar artistic interpretations are used in articles for Homer, Charlemagne, Paul of Tarsus, and many other historical figures. When no accurate images (i.e. painted after life, or photographs) exist, it is a longstanding practice on Wikipedia to incorporate images that are historically significant artwork and/or typical examples of popular depictions. Using images that readers understand to be artistic representations, so long as those images illustrate the topic effectively, is considered to be more instructive than using no image at all. Random recent depictions may be removed as undue in terms of notability, while historical artwork (in this case, of the Late Medieval or Ottoman period) adds significantly to the presentation of how Muhammad was being topicalized throughout history.

These depictions are not intended as factual representations of Muhammad's face; rather, they are merely artists' conceptions. Such portrayals generally convey a certain aspect of a particular incident, most commonly the event itself, or maybe the act, akin to the Western genre of history painting. The depictions are, thus, not meant to be accurate in the sense of a modern photograph, and are presented here for what they are: yet another form in which Muhammad was depicted.

None of these pictures hold a central position in the article, as evident by their placement, nor are they an attempt to insult the subject. Several factions of Christianity oppose the use of hagiographic imagery (even to the point of fighting over it), but the images are still on Wikipedia, exactly for what they are—i.e. artistic renditions of said people.

Q3: How can I hide the images using my personal Wikipedia settings?

A3: If you do not wish to view Muhammad images, you can hide the depictions in this article from your personal account by following these steps:

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Q4: Why does the infobox at the top of the article contain a stylized logo and not a picture of Muhammad?

A4: This has been discussed many times on Talk:Muhammad and many debates can be found in the archives. Because calligraphic depictions of Muhammad are the most common and recognizable worldwide, the current consensus is to include a calligraphic depiction of Muhammad in the infobox and artists' depictions further down in the article. An RFC discussion confirmed this consensus.

Q5: Why is Muhammad's name not followed by (pbuh) or (saw) in the article?

A5: Wikipedia's biography style guidelines recommend omitting all honorifics, such as The Prophet, (The) Holy Prophet, (pbuh), or (saw), that precede or follow Muhammad's name. This is because many editors consider such honorifics as promoting an Islamic point of view instead of a neutral point of view which Wikipedia is required to maintain. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) also recommends against the use of titles or honorifics, such as Prophet, unless it is the simplest and most neutral way to deal with disambiguation. When disambiguation is necessary, the recommended form is the Islamic prophet Muhammad.

Q6: Why does the article say that Muhammad is the "founder" of Islam?

A6: While the Muslim viewpoint about Muhammad is already presented in the article, a Wikipedia biography article should emphasize historical and scholarly viewpoints. The contention that Islam has always existed is a religious belief, grounded in faith, and Wikipedia cannot promote religious beliefs as facts. Because no religion known as "Islam" exists in any recorded history prior to Muhammad, and Muhammad created the conditions for Islam to spread by unifying Arabia into a single religious polity, he effectively founded the establishment of Islam as the dominant religion in the region. The word "founder" is used in that context, and not intended to imply that Muhammad invented the religion he introduced to Arabia.

Q7: Why does it look like the article is biased toward secular or "Western" references?

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Accusations of bias toward Western references are often made when an objection is raised against the display of pictures of Muhammad or lack of honorifics when mentioning Muhammad. All articles on Wikipedia are required to present a neutral point of view. This neutrality is sometimes mistaken for hostility. Note that exactly the same guidelines apply to articles about Christianity or any other religion.

In addition, this article is hosted on the English-language Wikipedia. While references in languages other than English are not automatically inappropriate, English-language references are preferred, because they are of the most use to the typical reader. This therefore predisposes the material used in this article to some degree (see WP:NONENG).

Q8: Why can't I edit this article as a new or anonymous user?

A8: Persistent disruption of the page has forced us to disable editing by anonymous editors and new accounts, while still allowing edits by more experienced users who are familiar with Wikipedia's editorial policies and guidelines. This is likely to remain the case for the foreseeable future. In any case, the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License grants everybody the right to republish this article elsewhere, and even to modify it themselves, so long as the original authors (Wikipedia contributors) are also credited and the derivative work is distributed under the same license.

Q9: Can censorship be employed on Wikipedia?

A9: No. The official policy is that Wikipedia is not censored.

Q10: Because Muhammad married an underage girl, should the article say he was a pedophile?

A10: This question has been actively discussed in Talk:Muhammad, and those discussions are archived. According to most traditional sources, Muhammad consummated his marriage to his third wife Aisha when she was nine years old. This was not considered unusual in Muhammad's culture and time period; therefore, there is no reason for the article to refer to Muhammad in the context of pedophilia.^[1] Even today, in parts of the world, the legal age of consent is as young as eleven years old, or any age inside of a marriage. In any case, any modern controversy about Aisha's age is not best dealt with in a biography about Muhammad. See the articles on Aisha and Criticism of Muhammad § Aisha for further information.

References

^ C. (Colin) Turner, Islam: The Basics, Routledge Press, pp.34–35

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Noam Cohen (February 5, 2008). "Wikipedia Islam Entry Is Criticized". New York Times.
Torsten Kleinz (February 6, 2008). "Wikipedia: Streit um Mohammed-Bilder (german)". Heise.
Fox News (February 6, 2008). "Muslims Protest Wikipedia Images of Muhammad". Fox News.
Caroline Davies (February 17, 2008). "Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images of the Prophet". The Observer.
Inquirer Newsdesk (February 11, 2008). "Wikipedia faces wrath of Islam". The Inquirer.
K.C. Jones (February 7, 2008). "Wikipedia Refuses To Delete Picture Of Muhammad". InformationWeek.
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Edit request

Very good quality article everyone -- very thorough, well written and balanced. I think I may have found a few small things that may need a little tweak:

1. Misplaced apostrophe. English is not my first language, so I may be wrong, but I think below is a "singular ownership", so the apostrophe should go before the s (so it reads: Muhammad’s) ?

"...The Quran, however, provides minimal assistance for Muhammads' chronological biography..."

2. Spelling of Muhammad / continuity through article. Should different spellings of Muhammad (in sentences below) be changed?

"...who is said to have foreseen Muhammed's career as a prophet of God..."

“624 - Invasion of Thi Amr, Muhammed raids Ghatafan tribes.”

"...Thomas Carlyle in his book Heroes and Hero Worship and the Heroic in History (1840) describes Muhammed as "[a] silent great soul..."

"...Hence the vacillation between the familiar and the alien; Mohammed is always the imposter..." >> but this one is from a quote, so probably should remain how it is originally spelt in the quote?

Just small things I thought I should ask about, otherwise article was very good. 86.27.191.102 (talk) 17:28, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, again! Fixed everything, except for the quote, since whoever added it did leave an "as written" mark in the wikicode. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:13, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

3. add pbuh after each occurence of "MUHAMMAD" , pbuh stands for pece be upon him, AND IT is compulsory to say this after the name of the prophet muhammad (pbuh) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdullatasleem (talk • contribs) 10:12, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles#Islamic honorifics. Favonian (talk) 10:20, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hadith is teachings not traditions

The Hadith mean speech not tradition. Muhammad's teaching and deeds were reported as Hadith. Abdusalambaryun (talk) 08:56, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That is my understanding of them as well. They are written, oral accounts compiled by muslim historians.Somchai Sun (talk) 10:20, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2014

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Prophet Muhammad didn't ask people to "surrender" to God, he asked them to revere Him as Allah not God 93.126.220.114 (talk) 12:19, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Declined. You have not proposed any specific replacement text, nor have you provided any sources to back up a proposed change. The sentence you seem to be referring to already has several citations. Also, this is the English Wikipedia, and in English, the Arabic "Allah" is synonymous with the English proper name "God". ~Amatulić (talk) 14:37, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad cannot read or write

The Quran mentions (7:157) "Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write whom they find written with them in the Torah and the Gospel ..." It can be found in Bible, Isaiah (29:12) " And if the document is given to one who cannot read and he is asked to read it, he will say: I can't read" Abdusalambaryun (talk) 19:28, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't actually say that. I'm not sure why you are choosing that interpretation as it isn't a literal one. It appears the usual English translation is "unlettered" which has a variety of meanings. Dougweller (talk) 21:00, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Abdusalambaryun, the issues around the word "ummi" were pointed out to you at Talk:Quran in this exchange. You've ignored that and now made this POV edit. In light of the previous discussion, that is tendentious. DeCausa (talk)▪

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/* Edit request */ please add pbuh after each occurence of "MUHAMMAD" , pbuh stands for pece be upon him, AND IT is compulsory to say this after the name of the prophet muhammad (pbuh). source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_be_upon_him_(Islam) abdulla 10:19, 2 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdullatasleem (talk • contribs) 10:19, 2 July 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles#Islamic honorifics. Favonian (talk) 10:23, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Please remove all the pictures those are depicting Hazrat Muhammad (Sm), because these are contrary to the Islamic believe and tradition. 202.4.173.55 (talk) 06:45, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[1] C. (Colin) Turner, Islam: The Basics, Routledge Press, pp.34–35

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