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Why you should call our country CZECHIA

Czechia (read "checkia") is the English short name of the Czech Republic. It is the English equivalent and translation (in proper transcription [ˈtʃɛki.ə]) of the short name "Česko" [ˈtʃɛskɔ] in Czech. The name was registered by the United Nations and included in the UNO Gazetteers of Geographical Names when the Czech Republic was formed in 1993. The name "Czech Republic" is the administratively-political name of the current state formation, while "Czechia" is the denomination for the Czech state as a more than 1200 years old geographical and settlement-historical unit, which is independent of actual political regimes.

Czechia (Česko) consists of three historical lands: Bohemia (Čechy), Moravia (Morava) and Czech Silesia (Slezsko). In the past, the entire country used to be called Bohemia in English. The term Bohemia originated from the Latin name of the territory that was settled by Celtic tribes Boii before the arrival of Czech tribes into the Czech territory. Consequently, the Czech people and their language were formerly called "Bohemian" in English. The term Czechia was first used in Latin at the beginning of the 17th century and the first evidence of its use in English is from 1866. The name was also commonly used in the United States in the first half of the 20th century during the existence of "Czechoslovakia" for the Czech part of Czechoslovakia and in historical meaning by newspapers, such as the New York Times or Herald Tribune.

Thus, the name Czechia is not completely new and has a long tradition in English. Foreign countries and their politicians expressed their willingness to accept and use the short name Czechia when the Czech Republic was formed in 1993. In other languages, the equivalent of "Czechia" is commonly used (Chequia in Spanish, Tchéquie in French, Tschechien in German, Chéquia in Portugal, Cechia in Italian, Чехия in Russian, Tjeckien in Swedish, etc.). Why then do we refuse to use Czechia in English and continue to mistakenly translate the short name Česko as "the Czech Republic"? The history of our country did not start in 1993 when it officially became the Czech Republic. The great Czech composer Antonín Dvořák - inter alia the founder of the American classical music in the 19th century - was not from the Czech Republic, because such country did not exist in that time, but he was from Czechia. Czechia is not so hard to learn and it is much easier to pronounce than Czechoslovakia, which so many people still remember today and pronounce with ease. Therefore, we do not see any problem in using Czechia by English speakers.

Some people call our country "Czech", which is wrong. "Czech" is an adjective, the name of the inhabitant of Czechia and of the Czech language, but surely not the country name. English speakers do not use French for France, Japanese for Japan or German for Germany. So, please, remember that we are not from Czech but we are from Czechia.

http://www.czech-this.net/articles.php?req=read&article_id=111 http://czechia-initiative.com/czechia_name.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.207.24.162 (talk) 19:31, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your entire post is an essay attempting to promote the usage of Czechia, but that is not what Wikipedia or this talk page is for. Current English usage is Czech Republic for the current state and a mixture of the Czech lands, "the region of the current Czech Republic", Bohemia, and other historical names for prior eras. Wikipedia will change if and when English usage changes. Until then, your attempting to school the English speaking peoples in the usage of their own language is massively rude and likely to result in a further resistance to this change. --Khajidha (talk) 12:54, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Since when the English speaking people decide how other countries are being called even in English? Did they decide on Belarus, Lithuania, Eritrea, Sri Lanka, Myanmar etc.? You are way off here. Countries themselves decide how they are being called and not foreigners. Your last sentence is massively rude and reminiscent of colonial and imperial practices. If and when the Czechs let the world know that they want to be called Czechia in addition to the Czech Republic, the world is going to respect it. Obviously, some Czechs like to use the short name for their country in appropriate contexts including the Czech president. You and your friends pretend that this is not the case and have been deleting any mention of Czechia on Wikipedia, which is a form of rude censorship.Geog25 (talk)
Since the English language began. ALL languages decide what to call foreign countries when referring to them. SOMETIMES the word used is the same as that used by the populations of those countries, sometimes it is similar and sometimes it is completely different. This has been true in all languages since the beginning of time. English speakers decided to use some of those that you mentioned, but Myanmar is STILL not the common English term. Again, expecting to be able to speak my own language without some foreigner saying that I should use THEIR words instead of my own is NOT rude, it is basic self determination. It is YOUR determination to force your words onto others that TRULY smacks of imperialism. I do not know what Czechs do in their own language and do not care what they do in their own language. IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS how Czechs name countries in their language, just as it is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS how the English language names countries. Mention of Czechia has not been deleted, it is simply not used much because the English language doesn't use it much. In this it is much like the term "Usonian", a proposed national designation for citizens of the United States that never really caught on. --Khajidha (talk) 15:20, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Khajida, your responses reek of intellectual snobbery and general international disregard. Wikipedia is, whether you like it or not, a publication, and publications have to take editorial decisions - informed decisions - and these decisions are inherently political. Moreover, it should be up to a specific country what they wish to be called. If a person changes their name from Jake to David, and wishes others to refer to them as David, then it is ignorant and rude to insist they are called Jake. With this in mind, I don't see why the president of America has more authority than the elected leader of the country in question. That is truly US-centric thinking, and not particularly healthy either. Amphibio (talk) 13:51, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ladies and gentlemen, please feel free to ignore the post above exhorting the use of "Czechia". It's been a matter of some minor debate nationally that there is no single-word name for our country (yes, I'm Czech) in common use (not even in our own language, as "Česko" (basically Czech for "Czechia"), the natural candidate, is ambiguous in that it has historically referred mostly to the region of Bohemia, and not the entirety of present-day Czech Republic; personally I'm unsure whether Bohemia or the whole country is meant whenever it's used). For that reason, some PR afficionados and tourism industry professionals formed a drive to determine and endorse a single-word official name for the Czech Republic. Their efforts have gone largely ignored by the bulk of the population, however, and no one I know actually uses "Czechia". (Personally, I find the word ridiculous and wouldn't use it if they paid me to.) If anyone's interested, the word we use to refer to our country in common speech is "Čechy", which however is indistinguishable from our word for Bohemia, and therefore has to be interpreted from context (also, some inhabitants of Moravia and Silesia, the other two major regions of the country apart from Bohemia, are sometimes grouchy about the use of this word for the whole country, feeling "left out" due to the fact that the word can also be interpreted to mean Bohemia only... hence, the drive to find a different single-word designator). 89.102.133.166 (talk) 20:56, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello everybody, please ignore lies. Here is true: Translations in dictionaries: CZECHIA >> ČESKO, ČESKO >> CZECHIA http://czechia-cesko.webnode.cz/slovniky/

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.80.21.8 (talk) 19:01, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To 89.102.133.166's POV : If somebody does not have any argument, only feelings, false subjective impressions, personal quasi-aesthetics, contrived assumptions and myths, there is no other path, than beg for ignoring facts. Jan Blanický 17:32, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Very funny discussion, nobody should be using Czechia, there are around 9'000 fans on Facebook, www.facebook.com/CzechiaCZ; diverse boards existing on Pinterest, what about checking first before writing nonsense? Czechia is as ridiculous as Slovakia, Slovenia, Russia, Serbia, Macedonia; Croatia, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Colombia, India and so on. If Czech administrators of Wikipedia keeping deleting all articles about Czechia, it is a typical cause and effect misinterpretation, suppress the word wherever you can and then declare it is not used, if something is ridiculous, this kind of logic is it definitively. Helveticus96 (talk) 19:06, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Again, show us the usage in the English language press. When the New York Times writes about Obama going to Czechia, then we will change it. Wikipedia reflects general English usage, and that is "Czech Republic". --Khajidha (talk) 19:32, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is the president Milos Zeman ot an authority enough? He is using Czechia constantly, as well as www.czechtourism.com has started using Czechia again. You can keep deleting and suppressing as much as you like, the logical term will come through in the end, as it is convenient as brand. It took 20 years for Cesko, another 20 for Czechia....Helveticus96 (talk) 07:13, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Is the president Milos Zeman ot an authority enough?" Honestly? No. Usage by Czechs, even the president, is of little relevance to English language usage. Again, get mainstream English-language (primary language) sources to use it. Change the nameplate at the UN. Get the NY Times, BBC, etc. to use it. Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia, follows general usage. It is these sources that need to be changed first. --Khajidha (talk) 11:00, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, Miloš Zeman is absolutely not an authority on English usage.[1] – filelakeshoe (t / c) 18:28, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

However, I can understand argument of Khajida, there is not any reason to hide here the existence of the name, its spheres of the use and problems in its disputing, as well as constant erasing of relevant references about the name and preference of misleading information (can be documented). In general (for use in some encyclopedy) the name "Czech republic" (contemporary state formation since 1993) is simply (ane more than obviously) NOT enough to describe the country with more than 1100 years long history. Equally, the division of every issue into two categories (Czech lands 9th century - 20th century vs. Czech republic 1993 - now) is awkward uniqueness, because the country is the same settlement-historical unit all the time. In addition, the denomination "Czech lands" has never been used in English, neither in Czech (České země) as the name of the country, only as some periphrasis (here as some circumvention). CZECHIA is a geographical name of the country, thus, it is unifying element of the historic and thematic line. The struggle against the name is irrational, making only complication and negative aftermath. Only some shortsighted, mentally restricted, masochistic or completely irrational person (personal taste is absolutely irrelevant) is able to ask and encourage the use of only transient political name, which (belonging only to political language) steals historical context of the nation and country, because it relates to actual state-political formation only. Nobody else in Europe solves such a kind of problem. Every country has simulatenously political and geographical name, but uses second one, because it is natural and neutral, thus, it is able to describe the location without limitations, only some Czechs are able to go against their own interests, which is embarassing disgrace. To use Czechia is a matter of common sense. Because of that neverending story of blindness, maybe it is necessary to repeat and emphasize: "the Czech Republic" is only time-limited denomination of the kind of state-political formation in the country (nothing less and nothing more), "Czechia" is the denomination of the Czech state as a whole without limitation by time and political status? I hesitate to believe somebody is not able to get it. Understanding of the difference of meanings requires really only minimal demands on intelligence...... Diggindir (talk) 06:55, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All great arguments but not for Wikipedia. (After my own "fight" I can tell you) Wiki may agree with all this, but its purpose is not to help with this. And I hope admins won't block the change then they will be given evidence of usage they demanded.
What are current goal of Czechia supporters on Wiki? To change name of article (and all references of Czech Republic)? You can't be serious it would be approved.
To mention it in first sentence? It would not pass either (not even with "rarely used" confession).
To fully describe why it should be used in section in the middle of the article? Answer would be "not interesting enough for English readers".
And the main thing: Would any of that really help with spreading of name Czechia and make any difference? Maybe if all Czech Republics on Wiki were changed to Czechia, but you can't expect Wiki would do that. For promotional purposed, video on YouTube will be more effective than Wiki, I guess. Chrzwzcz (talk) 21:40, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is the root of the problem: You are attempting to utilize Wikipedia to spread the usage of Czechia, but that is not what Wikipedia is for. Wikipedia is for recording facts and is supposed to follow usage, not set it. The facts are: 1)Czechia was proposed and 2)it was not actually used much in English. This is already in the article. All of these protests about how it should be used are pointless and inappropriate. --Khajidha (talk) 16:03, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Help the truth, Czechs insulted

Dear Friends,

I'm involved in a Dispute on Bulgaria's page, when I give as an example the Czech page, the Great Czech Nation is being insulted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Proposed_compromise

(See below)

There can't be compromise when one of the active parties has arguments that remain unchanged, while the other one consists of one man with no arguments apart from "luk odor country Poland czech republic etc." and lack of common sense. Simple as that. ...... - ☣Tourbillon A ? 21:24, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 

The other side of the dispute wants to remove the historical dates in the formation of Bulgaria and start with the XIX century. Please, help me as these folks may threaten you next. (Ximhua (talk) 21:34, 28 July 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Ximhua, this page in intended for discussions about possible improvements to the article Czech Republic. Also, when reading your post, I have to remind you to read WP:CANVAS and WP:FORUMSHOP. Comments of this kind are highly inappropriate anywhere on Wikipedia. Thanks for your understanding. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 08:47, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thank you Vejvančický! Well noted. (Ximhua (talk) 12:43, 29 July 2012 (UTC))[reply]

forced Germanization?

In the introduction there is written that Czechs were subject of forced recatholization and Germanization. However, the latter is doubtful. Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanization > 'Among the Bohemian lords who were punished and had their lands expropriated after Frederick's defeat in 1620 were German- and Czech-speaking landowners. Thus, this conflict was feudal in nature, not national. Although the Czech language lost its significance as a written language in the aftermath of the events, it is doubtful that this was intended by the Habsburg rulers, whose aims were of a feudal and religious character'. Hence the term FORCED Germanization may not be appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.176.141.38 (talk) 04:15, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Czech people who wanted to make business contracts, communicate with authorities, attend a school or become an official had to speak German, as German was the only official language. So, essentially, any Czech who wanted anything more than work someone's land was forced to learn German. Sounds pretty forced to me; perhaps not by law, but certainly by necessity. 212.67.80.130 (talk) 11:23, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]


NOT TRUE, both, Czech and German languages, were official languages of the kingdom through the 17th/18th century (with some exception during the late 18th century). Forced Germanization imposes situation known from Ireland, where Gaelic was forbidden - Czech language was not forbidden and German language was lingua franca. Do we experience forced anglicization? Yet these pages are written in English and if you want to become a scientist, you must learn how to write texts in English to sell your work in the international community. Exactly what happened with German language in the kingdom of Bohemia... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.77.165.40 (talk) 17:24, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]


It was not feudal in nature, but religious. Czech was the main language of reformation until Luther has introduced these ideas to Germans. The main issue behind the uprising was the refusal of Habsburgs to provide freedom of religion as secured in the Rudolph II. patent of toleration. Both Czech and German Protestant inhabitants of the Czech Crown lands fought the German-Vatican Catholic forces.
  • Before the war, there were many dozens, if not hundreds (only Jihlava had six), of schools providing universal education (i.e. notwithstanding the status or gender) around the country, initially Czech, after Luther also in German - these were all closed and to a small degree replaced by Latin Catholic schools with very limited access.
  • Most importantly, for Protestants there were three options: leave the country, convert or be killed for heresy (burning alive, stoning, etc.). Over 90% of inhabitants were Protestant, the proportion was higher for Czechs and lower for Germans.
  • Vacated estates and houses in cities were filled with Catholic German immigrants.
  • While high education was possible only in Latin (until 1770s), there was no chance of social and economical success without use of German in the country until ca. 1830s (even for fluently Latin speaking Czechs).
If such a process is not a forced one, then I don't know what is. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 13:16, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Presumably one could convert to Catholicism while still knowing Czech and Latin but not German - whether it happened is another question. Would you say today's Czech Republic reflects a process of forced Anglicization? It is pretty much impossible to obtain a certain degree of success without being able to speak English. - filelakeshoe (t / c) 18:37, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Today, English is necessary for success only in fields with direct international connection, and in many areas with international connection other languages will do instead of English, especially German or Russian. It is not like that you have to know English to address state bodies in the Czech Republic, conduct business on national level or read any literature.
I am not disputing that one could convert while knowing only Czech and being willing to repeat Latin mantras in the church (which most of the peasants probably did not understand at all), otherwise there would be no Czech speaking population left. However the whole process was set in the way which would inevitably lead to complete eradication of Czech, if not for the changes in the 1770s-80s. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 19:56, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RESPONSE: I would say important is: Was German language FORCED by the law, or was it not? Both languages were official in the Bohemian kingdom, but German language was lingua franca in business and education, the same way as English is in science, business etc today. Are we FORCED to speak English? No, but if you do not speak English, your career in some fields is impossible (you cannot be scientist, for example). The same was might have been with German language in CZ, I would say. Perhaps the only period of state organized FORCE of German language in all Austria (including Hungary) was the period of Josef II in the end of 18th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.207.78.5 (talk) 08:08, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It was FORCED by the fact, that the only official language of the Czech kingdom was made German (especially during the reign of Joseph II, although majority population was still Czech.

Ceplm (talk) 10:19, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

During the Thirty Years' War the „Revised Ordinance of the Land" (1627) declared by the Habsburgs, made German language equal to the Czech language in Bohemian Kingdom and this does not change until the formation of Czechoslovakia. So both languages were official. Jirka.h23 (talk) 17:47, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it was not FORCED by law, there was no such law in Bohemia both languages were used in official documents (in Moravia situation deferred, Czechs were less powerful than in Bohemia). Look at pages 148-154 in Belina et al. 2001 Velke Dejiny Zemi Koruny Ceske X. (1740-1792), ISBN 80-7185-384-4 (only in Czech, I am afraid...) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.207.78.5 (talk) 18:26, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

First sentence of the second paragraph of the lead section

Virtually every country is divided into "historical territories" and the Czech Republic is no exception here. This internal division is thoroughly elaborated elsewhere in the article. The point of the first sentence of this paragraph is to briefly introduce the beginning of the Czech statehood including the peculiar and extremely important fact that the country was for over a millennium known under a different name in English. Qertis (talk) 09:41, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is somewhat troublesome issue, as I have observed so many times on the cs: version. It has an analogy in the Great Britain and England (I have been in Scotland for few months and they would have kill me there if I would make a remark of myself being in England back there). And as the sentence currently reads, it implies that the Moravian part of Czech state, is in the Bohemia or that it had ever in time been. But it never had been part of Bohemia. I think, the sentence might become true, if "Bohemia" is replaced with "Bohemian Kingdom", althought I clearly see that it would undermine your goal (and You have a point there!). We are so unlucky to have such meddlesome country-name-history, I feel like if we are the only European nation not having proper one-word name (If Britain would be acceptable one-word label for UK) and that is highlighted by the the peculiar and extremely important fact you have mentioned.
It even gave birth to some extravagant misconception, as I have witnessed when I had been in Britain few years back. For example in some atlas I had been reading about my country, - in the history section, that it's history started with year 1918 as part of Czechoslovakia - completely missing the link to the Bohemia of the past. And I saw it quit few times in the same style afterwards. (In striking contrast to the history of other European countries in those same sources). The name Bohemia itself, I deem, creates that misconception. So You do have a good point, but nevertheless, umm technically ... to equal Bohemia with Bohemian Kingdom is not right in the same way as Equaling England and Great Britain is wrong.
I myself am from Bohemia not Moravia - just to clarify myself :)), but I understand those sensitivities a little :). Reo + 21:30, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, thanks for your response, I am also flabbergasted seeing those unorthodox renditions of our nation's history. The Czech what-is-the-name-of-my-home malaise actually started in 1918 when some bright mind invented the tongue-twister "Czechoslovakia". It may have appeased Slovaks but it stripped us from our 1000 years old name for good (as it seems now). If it wasn't for the Slovaks the newly independent Czech state would have been without any doubt named Bohemia (Republic of Bohemia). What would be then the most suitable short, one-word name for the Duchy of Bohemia, Kingdom of Bohemia, the Crown of the Bohemian Kingdom (Corona regni Bohemiae) or Republic of Bohemia? What about..hmmm...Bohemia? I am pretty sure no one (even hard core Moravians) would have questioned it now.
As for your comparison, I wouldn't travel that far seeking useful (and, perhaps, much better) parallels. Lets have a look at our southern neighbors. "Austria" used to label the vast Habsburg empire, now its just a tiny alpine republic and back at the dawn of the ages it was even much smaller duchy in what is now Lower Austria (sic!). I am pretty sure that there are some Styrians, Carinthians or Tyroleans who have the same feeling as those rebellious Scots (and Moravians):), but it seems to me that most of them are well accustomed to the fact that they are, next to their regional identities, also Austrians. BTW, Scotland is part of Britain for some 300 years, it used to be a kingdom on its own with its own legal system, language etc. Moravia, on the other hand, is part of the Bohemian/Czech state for some 1000 years and while being distinct in many respects (just like any other region) its fully integrated without any serious separatist movement, AFAIK. :) Qertis (talk) 20:59, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've restored the info on historical territories in the lead section per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section: The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects. You are right, the internal division is elaborated later in the article, however, I consider the fact that CR consists of three historical regions important enough to be mentioned also in the lead section. Please do not revert if you disagree, we can ask for third opinion from uninvolved editors at WP:CZECH or via WP:RfC. I'll notify WP:CZECH about this discussion. Thank you. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 10:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Agree, Moravia was since 11th century a colony of Bohemia, where junior brothers of Bohemian dukes ruled. As the Whales vs England. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.207.78.5 (talk) 08:11, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Contact lenses

I have some observations about the photograph of the contact lenses in the "Science" section.

1. The caption of the contact lenses photograph states: "The modern contact lens was invented by Otto Wichterle and Drahoslav Lím." While this may be true, according to the cited source: "Dr. Wichterle's work later resulted in the introduction of the first commercially available soft contact lenses by Bausch & Lomb in 1971." It doesn't say that those lenses are the basis for all the currently available lenses, though this is obviously an important step along the way, maybe even a milestone, in the history of soft lenses. The source also presents a time-line that states: "1956 Czech chemist Otto Wichterle begins making contact lenses with a soft, water-absorbing plastic he helped create." He is not credited with "inventing the modern contact lens", but is one scientist, along with Lim, in a decades-long string of scientists who developed various lenses utilizing various processes and materials.

2. The photograph's title is "contact lenses Confortissimo". I imagine that means "soft contact lenses" in Italian or is perhaps a brand name. There's no mention of Wichterle and Lim in the photo description. The caption applied to it in the Czech Republic article leads one to believe that the Czech scientists had some direct hand in these particular lenses, but instead, it seems that it's is a generic image of random soft lenses.

Thanks for corrections if these are aggrandized statements or for finding proof of their validity if true. Wordreader (talk) 04:23, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

prehistoric settlement

I miss the information about paleolithic human settlement in what is now the Czech Republic. At least findings from the upper paleolithic (late stone age) are important and should be mentioned. Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Paleolithic. The oldest known ceramic in the world is from Dolni Vestonice (Venus of Dolni Vestonice, ca 29000 BCE), one of the oldest textile is from that area too. One of the prehistoric European cultures (Pavlovian, contemporary with Aurignacian) is named after archeological site Pavlov in the Czech Republic, and is ca 20000 BCE. The opening of the chapter History, Prehistory: 'Archaeologists have found evidence of prehistoric human settlements in the area, dating back to the Neolithic era.' is incorrect in that evidence for much older human settlements has been found!!! 90.176.141.38 (talk) 16:53, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Marijuana for medical purposes

Croatian writer Giancarlo Kravar: Czech parliament has approved marijuana as a legitimate means of treating people suffering from some serious illness and needed just a signature president to decree entered into force, according to AFP. With that decision provided that the marijuana prescribed prescription able to treat people with cancer, Parkinson's disease, multiple sclerosis and psoriasis. Marijuana for medical purposes will be initially imported from Israel or the Netherlands, and the latter will be given license to domestic farmers for cultivation.78.2.127.231 (talk) 12:06, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Czech King & Czech Kingdom

Sorry to disturb you but could someone please explain to me what was "Czech King"? I thought that the Czech state comprises of former Kingdom of Bohemia, Margraviate of Moravia, and Duchy of Silesia; and that most of the Kings of Bohemia ruled also over Moravia because they were also Margarves of Moravia at the same time, not because they were "Czech Kings", including "Czech King" Charles I (Charles IV as King of the Holy Roman Empire, later Emperor) which was Margave of Moravia before he become "Czech King". Thanks... --Millenium187 (talk) 08:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And I have one more question, if I may, which German states exactly were part of this Czech state in middle ages and early modern era? I was wondering, if "Czech King" Charles IV was also the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire then maybe the entire HRE (≈Germany) was the Czech state, why should we limit it only to Bohemia, Moravia, and a part of Silesia??? (BTW, I have no intention of starting a flame war, I am just asking.) --Millenium187 (talk) 08:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

HRE was not a state but an union of territories, Kingdoms and Duchies. Jirka.h23 (talk) 18:02, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It is a semantic issue. While many historical sources refer to the kingdom as Bohemian one (as opposed to Bohemia proper), following the first mentions of it in the Roman-Latin sources (after early dwellers - Boii), other refer to it after what the people called themselves later on - Češi, Čechy, anglicized Czechs, therefore Czech kingdom.
Indeed, depending on what part of history you are referring to, the Czech kingdom would comprise larger areas, e.g. most of Silesia before the Habsburgs lost it in the 18th century. The latest borders of the Czech kingdom may be seen in any 1918 map of Austria-Hungary; within these borders the Czech part of Czechoslovakia was established (apart from some losses, such as Cieszyn area). Unless specified to other historical period, when talking about Czech kingdom, this is the area that is being referred to. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 18:47, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Heads Up

Just a heads up - CNN and a couple of other media outlets replayed an interview featuring a former CIA agent mistakingly referring to the "Islamic Czech Republic" and how one of the Boston Marathon Bombings suspects was named after the first president of the Czech Islamic Republic. As such there might be some need for a little extra attention in case of vandals or misguided users.

Just an FYI TheSyndromeOfaDown (talk) 19:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't seem to have been noticed much outside of Czech news websites comment threads. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.240.91.79 (talk) 21:59, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Czech Republic current History!.

I hope this information on the Czech lands is useful to everyone.[edit] The history of Czech Republic starts in 1993.Helveticus96 (talk) 13:51, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

History of the Czech Lands: Oldest chronological order. Červený kopec - Red hill near Brno Beroun – Koněprusy Caves, Beroun district many artifacts found 25km south west of Prague Kůlna cave- Moravian Karst - where a part Neanderthal man's skull, about 120 000 years old, was found Mladeč caves - 31000 years old radiocarbon dating in Vienna, proves to be the oldest cranial, dental and post cranial assemblage of early modern humans in Europe The Venus of Dolni Vestonice dated to 29 000 – 25 000 BP (Gravettian industry). Many other artifacts were also found at Dolni Vestonice. And carbon dated in America see the National Geographic October 1988 Bridgehead at Přerova (Předmostí) is an important archaeological site, especially renowned paleolitickými. Estimated to be 25000 years old. Petřkovická Venus , sometimes called Landecká Venus. Estimated to be 23,000 years old Czech neolithic age 6000-5500 to 4000 BC - Czech farmers came from the "fertile crescent". There culture Liner Pottery The Prague 7 district of Bubeneč - People have been living in the area since at least the 5th millennium BC. Bubence has a burial site from the ancient Corded Ware culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.32.232.19 (talk) 22:27, 23 January 2013 (UTC) Moravian painted pottery 4700-3700BC Comb Ceramics 2900-2800-2600BC - referred to as Battle Axe culture Corded Ware culture - The grave located in Terronska Street Prague 6. ( Gay Caveman) dated to about 2800 to 2500 BC, so about 4500 years ago. Unetice culture named after Unetice near Prague 2400-1550,1550-1200BC Amber trade route - Romans used to transport amber Veneti extinct,Italians and celts. Celts in Czech lands also referred to as the Hallstatt Civilalzation 750-400/300BC Then the Boii ( Whose name - Boiohaemum has stuck to this day) Then the Celtic La Tene culture. Then the celts where replaced with more primitive Germans. Marcomanni occupied Bohemia led by King Morobudus, Moravia was held by the Quadi under King Tudrus. Morbudus was deposed in the year 19AD. A noteworthy Roman camp located at Musov Ptolemy Code, The orginal map is written in ancient latin example Eburodunum is the City Brno Pre-history =[edit]

The oldest, The first inhabitants of ancient humans of the country,probably people of the type Homo heidelbergensis, appear in Moravia sporadically 1 million years ago. A worked pebble, stone axe blade of more than 800,000 years old have been found at the brickyard on the Červený kopec hill in Brno. Also Beroun-highway (District Beroun) has many ancient artifacts. Middle Paleolithic, the period between 300 000 and 400 000 years ago. Moravia was inhabited mostly in the period of 100 000 – 40 000 years ago when Neanderthals occupied several caves and pitched their camps in the open air. In the Kůlna cave, proofs of their repeated stay during some 80 000 years (120 000 – 40 000) have been found. Mladeč caves is an Aurignacian culture archaeological site with directly dated remains of early modern human dating to about 31,000 radiocarbon years. During Upper Paleolithic (40 000 – 10 000 years ago) an extraordinary culture of mammoth hunters (Pavlovian) emerged in Moravia. It is known especially from Dolní Věstonice, Předmostí, Pavlov, Petřkovice and it is famous for its unique works of art. The oldest known carbon dated grave of a female Shaman in the world is located at Dolni Vestonice 26000+ years old. And a mammoth statuette from Předmostí. In the period of Middle Paleolithic (250 thousand. - 40 thousand.) In the territory of the Czech Republic had many Paleolithic cultures, of which he was the bearer of an earlier stage yet Homo erectus, in the later stage in cultures, probably Homo sapiene. The best known deposits of the Middle Palaeolithic cave Arrow, Shed, Předmostí at Přerova. Paleolithic 40 thousand. - 12 thousand. BP is connected to the first documented occurrence of the type of man today (Homo sapiens) in the Czech Republic. The oldest carbon dated records show Mladec caves at 31,0000 years old. While in the transient cultures to interface Middle Paleolithic and young Paleolithic is still considered rather of Neanderthals as its owners in other cultures Pavlovian Gravettian, Epigravettian and is a carrier designed [ [person present type]]. Pavlovienská site in Moravia (u Přerova Předmostí, Lower Věstonice, Pavlov, Petřkovice). Became known thanks to the housing estate and findings Sepulchral which indicate unusually developed hunting company that has probably lived that way of life and was able to fire pottery or weave mats of grass, and was characterized by a sophisticated and diverse artistic expression with symbolic overtones ([[Venus statuette ] ], animal sculptures made of burnt clay, jewelry from shells, mammoth ivory and teeth, decorated with carvings from mammoth ivory tools, etc.), which in addition to evidence of ritual burials suggests theworlds oldest known female shaman at Dolni Vestonice which was carbon dated in American at 27000 yers old. ((Nation Geographic 174 Oct 1988)). Short period at the turn of the Pleistocene u Holocene for it out as Paleolithic (12 thousand. - 10 thousand. BP), in the Czech Republic was based on the findings of the few (which is probably related to the low population density at the time) defined culture epimagdalénien and group curved spikes retouched and ostroměřská group. Mesolithic (8 to 6 one thousand BC)[edit] In terms of research identified very difficult period, not cultural-chronological breakdown settled, sometimes as separate periods ever questioned, respectively. replaced by the term epipaleolithic​​. Finds from this period is very little, considering the influence of climate change on sparse population of small hunting and gathering groups. A major problem is the relationship of people in order to newcomer agricultural community. Neolithic[edit] The Czech territory is represented Neolithic Linear Pottery culture, to which through the followed by Stroked Pottery culture. In Moravia, appeared at the end of the Neolithic Culture of the Moravian Painted Ware. The population at that time mainly fed agriculture (different intensity was complemented by hunting, gathering, fishing). People lived in small villages in the long houses. Already at the end of the Linear Pottery culture appear upland settlement, formed at the end of the Neolithic roundel (building): a large, usually circular monumental building whose purpose lead to numerous discussions. A well-studied sites are Bylany in Kutna Hora, Miskovice, Plotiště nad Labem, Březno u Loun or Těšetice-Kyjovice and Vedrovice in Moravia . Copper Age (4400 - 2000 BC)[edit] Due to the technology changes (discovery wheels, use , use cattle to plow sporadically fields and other related social changes likely, the social division of labour), mark it out late stone Age . In the Czech lands during the times changed or plagued with large quantities Culture Lengyel culture, Funnel Beaker culture, Baden culture, culture globular amphora, culture corded Ware. The well known Corded Ware culture - Includes the grave located in Terronska Street Prague 6 [[Gay Caveman[[ dated to about 2800 to 2500 BC, about 4500 years ago. Bronze Age (2000 - 800 BC)[edit] In essence, the Bronze age smoothly followed the Bronze Age, when just beginning to apply socially significant metal processing. Very likely this led to the creation of groups of specialists (miners, steelworkers, but also traders, etc.) who were socially divided status. From archaeological findings, it is possible to demonstrate significant stratification of society (rich graves), perhaps the emergence of nobility, which was able to assert its power interests (control significant mineral deposits, junctions or market place). Develops long-distance trade. Archaeological findings also allow, especially when compared with the Aegean Area , speculate about the specific content of religious ideas of contemporary society (solar cult). Again, the Czech identified the large number of cultures: Únětice culture, Nitranská group, culture Chłopice-Happy, věteřovská culture, mohylových complex cultures ( českofalcká, středodunajská), Lusatian Urnfield culture, culture Knovíz and štítarská, [[milavečská culture] ], nynická group, Velatice and Podoli culture.

Iron Age - Hallstatt (800-450 BC)

For this period was, as its name suggests, the typical widespread use iron, in connection with it, the Central Europe a closer contacts with the Mediterranean areas . And with a company that got them on the level of chieftain ship military , respectively. sometimes it was discussed hypothetically tribal principalities. In contrast to the culturally fragmented Bronze Age. Hallstatt period was culturally united. The Hallstatt culture in the Czech Republic: Hallstatt culture, bylanská culture in Bohemia, linen culture on the north and Horákov culture in southern Moravia. Famous site of extraordinary importance of this time is Bull Rock - caves in the Moravian Karst near Adam. Younger Iron Age - crates (450-50 BC)[edit] Distribution of Celts in Europe (blue: 1500 to 1000 BC, in pink: 400 BC)]] The Czech territory, perhaps already in the 2nd off the mid-5 century BC got Celtic, the first ethic Race of people here, whose name is known from written sources. Only in the 4 century BC occupied all the usable agricultural area (linked to the new wave of arrivals from about Elbe and upper Rhine or northwest France). Name tribe principal established in Bohemia Boii gave the country the name Boiohaemum. Moravia in the first wave in 5 century came Volková-Tektoságové, who probably occupied only the southern part of Moravia, in the 1st mid-4 century, the expected arrival of another wave of the Danube. The Central European culture Celtic is referred to as La Tene culture . In the periphery (eastern and north eastern Moravia) survived and origin Slovak Púchovská culture. Time == Roman (50 BC - 350/380 AD) == The Ptolemy Code written in ancient latin shows Eburodunum as the City Brno, And Prague as Casurgis At he time when the Czech territory remained mostly Germanic tribes. They began to penetrate and mix with Celtic with people in the second to mid-1 century BC, the Plaňanská horizon. In northern Bohemia, at that time still remained culturally mixed kobylská group. Shortly before the turn of the era their settled the Marcomanni, after migration period the remnants remained here until about the beginning of the 5 century. From the 2 century onwards from the north they penetrated Przeworski culture (Moravia about this evidence since the beginning of the Roman period) in the 1st mid-3 century came to Bohemia new population of the Elbe. These new groups are in the 2nd mid-3 century spread to Moravia (Kostelec group). At the same time in South Moravia long researched sites that testify about the effects of Roman units in the [Marcomanni wars]] (Mušov) in the Czech Republic, in 2001, the evidence of their presence until Neředín.

Migration time (380/400 - about 568)[edit] At the beginning of 5 century population has decreased dramatically, probably at least part left in 406 with Vandals and Marcomanni | they were thought to have left in the 1st mid-5 century. In the5 century at least in Moravia showed the chaos caused by the Huns invasion under Attila leadership, new people came here from the Danube slavs, probably similar changes occurred in Bohemia, but so far it's not enough for evidence. In southern Moravia, perhaps by some archaeologists settled Heruli East German Slav, who stayed until the beginning of the 6 century, where they were defeated by the Lombards. In the Czech Republic in the 1st third 5 century pushed Vinařická group, considering also the presence of Hun nobility in Moravia(grave with horse harness). At the end of the 5th century upstream Elbe into Bohemia arrived the Lombards they temporarily settled here, but sometimes in the 1st mid-6 century moved to the Danube, and in 568 to Italy. The beginnings of Slavic settlement[edit] In Moravia, Silesia and Bohemia, the first Slavs appeared probably in the second mid-6 century. The first wave of Slavs (pottery culture Prague type) face via Lesser to Moravia and later along the so called Trstenice trails into Bohemia. In the first half of the 7 century perhaps the second wave could come from the Danube. At that time, this area housed the only remnants of the previous inhabitants of Germanic (Lombards and Durynků). Lombards some Celtic tribes and other barbarians. But before the arrival of the Slavs they went to the Danube, and after a short stay in northern Italy, Durynkové went to the Bavaria , and perhaps contributed to the ethnogenesis Bavarians.

The questions I am still waiting to answered are: Why has no Avar, grave or a single artifact ever been found on Bohemian soil in over 1500 years. No evidence hey! 2. Where is the German DNA project to prove they do not have Slavic blood?. Or is it best just look at the whole thing as a point of view of linguistics ?. http://www.sachsen.de/en/276.htm Please read the links below there is a lot of information: Literature Jaroslav Panek Olfdrich Tuma Et Alh: "A HISTORY OF THE CZECH LANDS" [From the Neolithic age to the present day. (637 Pages)], 1009 ISBN 978-80-246-1645-2

Casurgis from Australia

Czech history 2013 update

http://geolib.geology.cz/cgi-bin/gw?ST=03&SID=0039F9ACDA&L=02&KDE=037&RET=Raman+spectroscopic+provenance+determination+of+garnets+from+the+scramasaxe+scabbard+%28The+treasure+of+Barbarian+Prince+from+C%C3%A9zavy%2DBlu%C4%8Dina%2C+Czech+Republic%2C+late+5th+century%29%2E+%5C%5CRIV%2F00023272%3A%5F%5F%5F%5F%5F%2F09%3A%230000893%5C http://templ.net/english/texts-sword_from_blucina.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu%C4%8Dina_burial Good day, my written English is not the best. So can someone please update this czech Republic history. This is the only artifact known that dates from Atilla the Hun, and the AVAR period 5th to 8th Century (Blucina Sword note German man). It is located 8km from Brno Moravia. No aritfacts have ever been found on Bohemian soil to my knowledge. But maybe someone should read history more carefully. Because I am far from an expert. But didn't Atilla the Hun and the later Avar's first entered Europe through the Silk road to raid the Roman Empire. Documents at the time were written in Latin and Greek and many citie's and rivers were named. None of these are on todays Czech Republic's Lands. http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/photo-gallery-ptolemy-s-geography-fotostrecke-59994-2.html , http://www.cs-magazin.com/index.php?a=a2011021048 . The rivers named are the Volga, Rhina, Danube. Also the "Chronicle of Fredegar" "slavic" "Befulci" can mean many things page 149 here: http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/arheo/ska/tekstovi/fredegar_paul.pdf :https://www.escholar.manchester.ac.uk/api/datastream?publicationPid=uk-ac-man-scw:1m1955&datastreamId=POST-PEER-REVIEW-PUBLISHERS-DOCUMENT.PDF or even google:define:Benfulci. If anyone can help in updating I will be greatful. Casurgis from Sydney 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.0.254 (talk) 09:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Population data in the Administrative section

Dear Editors! Could you please update the table at the Administrative divisions section with the data from 2012 as it is listed in the article List of cities in the Czech Republic? A lot of thanks in advance. --Ksanyi (talk) 14:10, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Czechia (again)

There's currently an ongoing edit war on this article regarding mention of the term "Czechia" as a short name for the Czech Republic. Personally, I would prefer mentioning of "Czechia". It isn't so widely used as the "Czech Republic", but it is in use, at least according to English news articles and books - [2] [3]. But I would like to see what do others think and what is the concensus instead of reverts. Thank you for your opinions. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 15:20, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem with mention it as a short name, because it is really truth. Jirka.h23 (talk) 16:09, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Less than 1% on Google, not even the Czech government uses it much, already mentioned as needed in Etymology section. Mewulwe (talk) 16:57, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mewulwe, i think you have to stop to be against the word "Czechia". Don't be the same like Yopie who does not live in Bohemia, but in Bohemian Republic. It is a nonsense. Nobody cares of state form. One word name of the Czech Republic is Czechia. The president uses this short name commonly. It is neccesary, because word "Czech" does not mean "Česko".Johnypar (talk) 19:49, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is not about what the president uses, but what is commonly used in English. Czechia is not commonly used. Maybe someone can start a Czenlish Wikipedia with article on Czechia. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 21:51, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To Cimmerian praetor: If there is something "Czenglish", it is silly use of incorrect adjectival form "Czech" as the name of the country. But, it arose from natural need of informal name of the country in English, whose correct form "Czechia" has not been spread, however, the name Czechia was included in UN List of states and geographic names in early 1993 and it was several time recommended by Ministry of foreing affairs (1993, 1997) and Ministry of education and sports (1997) of the Czech Republic for general use. Czechia is a correct name with the oprigin in Latin (1634), with first record in English in 1866 in Australian newspaper "The Mercury" and the name was commonly used in American press (New York Times, Herald Tribune) from 1918 to 1939 to distinguish western and eastern part of Czechoslovakia. The use of informal (short, geographic) name of the country is common and necessary. Using only political name of the country leads to its limitation only for the period of actual state-political formation in the area and makes impossible to understand the country in historical context with undesirable aftermath. It leads to using political name of the country in historical connotations, which is absurd, but many times found also here: one example for all "Bořivoj I, duke of Bohemia, was born in the Czech Republic", that was spread into other sources of "knowledge", drawing it from Wikipedia. Askave (talk)Askave (talk) 05:52, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]


So, word "Czech" is commonly used for "Česko" in English. Do you agree? Let's write the sentence "short form Czech...". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnypar (talk • contribs) 10:12, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would have no problem with a short mention of this term in the intro, but it should not be used for the page title or in running text (aside from discussion of the term itself). --Khajidha (talk) 11:46, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree completely with your proposal, Khajidha. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:18, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The fundamental issue is that there is no common short form in English for the Czech Republic; "Czech" and "Czechia" are rarely used.--Mojo Hand (talk) 21:37, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it should not be bad write up at Etymology that the public today use as a short form word "Czech". I mean it is not rarely used unlike Czechia, but it is grammatically wrong. Someone will indeed remember on the designation "Czech - Spain" at Davis Cup. :-) Johnypar (talk) 18:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Problem is, that there is not commonly used short form. "Czech" is incorrect, but used, "Czechia" is maybe correct, but unused. By the way, personal slurs are not good way for consensus.--Yopie (talk) 00:10, 23 October 2013 (UTC) Czechia is correct for sure, but you hypocracy is striking! You are erasing Czechia everywhere you find it Yopie! How coould something being used, when it gots erased by you at all times? Helveticus96 (talk) 13:47, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You confuse "Czechia" (total nonsense) for Bohemia (only a part of the Czech Republic). However, the official form is the Czech Republic.--89.177.42.147 (talk) 15:47, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize to Yopie, I just do not understand what you have against the word "Česko" in Czech. Otherwise I probably agree with Yopie and Khajidha. I also have to say something to the someone who hides behind 89.177.42.147 and comes from the Czech Republic, probably from Prague. The official form is Czech Republic as the official form of France is the French Republic. Or perhaps Portugal, it is also officially the Portuguese Republic. Johnypar (talk) 16:58, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is very inconvinient to always use a "long form" or a "formal name" for a country. Nobody talks about travelling to "the French Republic" - even if it is the formal name of the state in English. It is always "France". The long form is mostly used in very formal contexts such as treaties &c. In most other languages it is the same with Czechia when it comes to Wp articles: Tjeckien (Swedish), Tjekkiet (Danish), Tsjekkia (Norwegian), Tšekki (Finnish), Tschechien (German), Tsjechië (Dutch), Czechy (Polish), Csehország (Hungarian), Чехия (Russian) . But English (and many of the romanesque languages) prefers the long form. Why, really? --Muniswede (talk) 22:10, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is no reason, it simply is that way. This isn't a problem, this isn't something that needs to be fixed, this isn't an insult to the Czech peoples, it is simply an irregularity of the English language. If you are at all familiar with the English language you will know that it is full to bursting with irregularities. --Khajidha (talk) 11:23, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to say that someone put short form czech, instead of Czechia. This must be a mistake. Czech is an adjective, which is grammatically incorrect. Why not use Czechia? What's the problem? 193.85.237.18 (talk) 17:12, 22 March 2014 (UTC)grammar teacher[reply]

For the same reason that we don't use Czecha. I think the discussion above covers it pretty well.--Mojo Hand (talk) 21:21, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
-ia is a common suffix: -Russia, Virginia, Austr(al)ia. And it does not matter, if Czechia is used in English. Was Eritrea used in English? No, and nobody cares that it uses Italian orthography instead of more correct Erythrea. They said we are Eritrea and that's it. Now it is used. The same case Myanmar. Never used before. Now it is used. --Wikista(talk) 11:23, 06 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Myanmar is still not fully accepted. Every time I see Myanmar in the media it is immediately clarified as being Burma. But the name Burma is often used with nary a Myanmar in sight. As for your Eritrea example, that involved a new country announcing its name to the world. Eritrea had not been used before because there was no need for the term before. The Czech Republic announced itself to the world as the Czech Republic. If you really want Czechia to be accepted for use here, you need to first get the Czech government to actually use it. Say by having their nameplate at the UN changed. Then you need to have the news media start to use it. Once it is in common use there, it will become used here.--Khajidha (talk) 11:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The entire opposition against Czechia arises from neglecting the Czech word Česko. People forgot, that Czechoslovakia was called Česko-Slovensko until 1920! There is no other alternative for translating Česko into English than Czechia, like Croatia, Austria, Latvia, Slovenia, Slovakia, absolutely correct latin ending - ia. I would like to see other proposals, it is nonsense to translate Česko as Czech Republic and having a short name "Czech republic (the)". Česko is the official short name in Czech and as such registrated with the UNO UNGEGN list. It is logical, that Czechia is not used widely, when all the time the word gots erased by the Czech administrators Yopie and Mewulwe, just to name the two most active.Helveticus96 (talk) 13:43, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your entire post is based on misunderstanding all the above written. You have yourself written that Czechia is not used widely. That sums it up. Wiki is not here to push use of new words, it is encyclopedia and as such it reflects the real state of things. And the reality is that Czechia is a fringe word, hardly ever used in English language. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 12:23, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Aside from Cimmerian praetor's point, part of the problem is that this insistence that English speakers change the way they do things seems rather arrogant on the part of those making the demand. Why do you even care what the English language calls your country? Or, more to the point, what makes you think you have the right to object to how the English language names things? It seems as silly as saying, "You shouldn't use the word 'blue', you should use the word 'modrý' because that's what MY language calls it'." I would never tell a Czech speaker what he SHOULD call my country. I don't care what he calls my country. It is, in fact, NONE OF MY BUSINESS what he calls my country. --Khajidha (talk) 11:12, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Why on earth is this such a big issue in English?? In most other languages they use a short form in most cases and a long form in very formal cases. Just like France for Republique française &c. In Sweden, where I come from this country is almost always called Tjeckien, which is the Swedish form for Czechia. Long forms are very "clumsy" for everyday use. --Muniswede (talk) 22:17, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Except for the Ivory Coast, Dominican Republic, Central African Republic, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Papua New Guinea... I could go on. Swedish is not English. Go ahead and say "Czechia" in English if you think it's easier, but until most of the native English speaking population do this, we won't prescribe it on Wikipedia. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 22:45, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The big deal, Muniswede, is that this is the ENGLISH wiki. It is written in ENGLISH, as usage in that language is determined by the native speaking population. It is not written how the Czechs (or anyone else, for that matter) wish it to be written. For them to come here and say "Your language is wrong, you should change it to this" is massively offensive. --Khajidha (talk) 13:29, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Strange argument. I do not think that the the "native speaking poulation"s of all English speaking countries unanimously have decided the the "long form" should always be used for this very country, and that most other "populations" have decided otherwise. The long form "Czech Republic" may still be the most commonly used in English, but it is almost absurd that the short form "Czechia" is not even mentioned in the lead. Even if it is not "widely used" it not inexistant. I think there are some users here whith an agenda to prevent the proliferation of the short form. --Muniswede (talk) 21:10, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Consciously decided? No. But that is the effect. General English usage is the long form, with the short form all but unknown. I neither know nor care what other languages do, it is none of my business. As I said before, this insistence from outsiders that common English usage must change is as strange to me as you say my argument is to you. --Khajidha (talk) 22:33, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute cities/region when Czechoslovakia was divided in Czechia Czech Republic and Slovakia?

Where there any and how was this solved? Thy --SvenAERTS (talk) 01:53, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Czechia was a name of the Czech Republic proposed by the Ministry of Foreign affairs in 1990s. Czechoslovakia was divided into the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Czechia is a fringe word with next to no use in English.
You forgot that the first name of Czechoslovakia was Česko-Slovensko and Cesko is Czechia, there is no other translation, which is grammaticaly correct, just get used to it!Helveticus96 (talk) 13:49, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Please be so kind and read the previous communication carefully before answering. Czechoslovakia/Československo was divided in 1992/3, not in 1920. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 12:35, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There were no important disputes, since the border between the two countries was set more or less in the middle ages. The largest disputes pertained to:
  • cs:Šance (Vrbovce) - originally Moravian, due to the factual situation (connected to Slovak infrastructure) given to Slovakia
  • cs:Sidonie - originally Slovak, given to the Czech Republic in exchange for the above mentioned
  • cs:Kasárna (Makov) - Slovak recreation area with almost all real estate (weekend cottages, etc.) owned by Czechs. Given to Slovakia, issue has arisen when Slovakia closed the only direct road from the Czech Republic to the place (border crossing). Cimmerian praetor (talk) 10:56, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Czechoslovakia was divided in Czechia Czech Republic and Slovakia

Or, the Czechoslovak Republic was divided in the Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic. It is clear, Czechia is geographical name as well as Slovakia. Czech or Slovak Republic are political names, describing contemporary state system in the countries, nothing more. To mix political and geographical name is confusing, wrong and inappropriate. The history of the Czech state is much more longer than republican system in the country. Using only political name complicates time and space definition of the state, limiting it only to recent 21 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.207.24.162 (talk) 19:45, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is clear that "Czechia" is a virtually unknown usage in the English language. While this may be considered "confusing, wrong and inappropriate" by you, it is the usual English language usage. And THAT is all that matters. --Khajidha (talk) 13:10, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (from April 1990 until 31 December 1992) was divided in the Slovak Republic and the Czech Republic. The older names are used according to the appropriate times and senses.--90.181.194.203 (talk) 23:14, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Czechia

Is this a legitimate subject or should it remain a redirect? Candleabracadabra (talk) 18:25, 3 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Charlemain note was the first German king in 8th century. The language did not exist until the 8th century but explain Slavic sorbs tribes living there in 6th century!:http://www.sachsen.de/en/276.htm

Please fix Germania, Germaina Magna it's clearly shown that many Czech towns where part of Germania Magna and please look at the mountain ranges on the maps, Swiss alps, tatra mountains, Sudetes. Even Olomouc over in the North east of the Czech Republic had two different latin names (Iuliomontium,Roman fort (Mons Iulii). Also its a fact the the Blucina Sword from 5th century was found near Brno and from a germanic king. Czech cities located in Germanina Magna taken from Ptolemy's maps 2nd century AD located in present day Czech Republic. Furgisatis u České Budějovice, Meliodunum in the sand, Strevinta for Hříměždic to the West of Sedlčany, Casurgis is Prague, Redintuinum u Loun, Nomisterium in Litoměřice, Hegetmatia in Mladá Boleslav, Budorgis in Cologne, Coridorgis in Jihlava, Eburum u Hrádku is Znojmo, Parienna in Breclav, Eburodunum is Brno, Setuia at Komořan near Vyškov, Felicia is Vyškova, Asanca is Kojetína, Carredunum is Rýmařov I have supplyed many links below to verify. http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/photo-gallery-ptolemy-s-geography-fotostrecke-59994-2.html http://www.cs-magazin.com/index.php?a=a2011021048 http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDatei%3APtolemaeus_Magna_Germania.jpg http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3APtolemaios_1467_Scandinavia.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu%C4%8Dina_burial http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorstengraf_(Blu%C4%8Dina) Also the same type of swords found at two different cities in present day Germany. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleidelsheim http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villingendorf. Atilla the Hun never went through Czech lands. Do your own research he went up the Danube ( Germany, Austria) and the Rhine West Germany, France) and he was killed in France(Gaul) in 454AD. Also its a fact that the Blucina Sword from 5th century was found near Brno(Latin:Eburodunum) and was from a Germanic king. Two gold Germanic swords of the same type have been found in present day central Germany located in Pleidelsheim and Villingendorf. Look at the links above and make your own opinion. And then decide if an Americian writer(Note: Americia was and will always be a former British and English colony)who wrote a 20th century book about European history when he or she has never ever been to Europe. Note Americia did not exist in the middle ages only native Indians lived there before 15th century. Casurgis from Australia is watching 12.07.2014 And yes I am part English. The Mythicial Saxons are from here:http://www.sachsen.de/en/276.htmand:http://www.sachsen-anhalt.de/lang/english/history-politics/history/ . You still believe that there was a mass migration??. All your old documents from 5th century in Britannia where in Latin and you where mostly Christians. Germania Magna where Pagans as even your Danish vikings were:http://denmark.dk/en/society/history/ to the late 10th century. Remember your King Alfred from the 8th century went to Rome to be crowned king:http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/dominicselwood/100255437/king-alfred-was-a-roman-catholic-lets-bury-him-in-westminster-cathedral/ .Forgive me i was not taught this at school but at least I am capable to still learn and educate myself except for my bad grammer and spelling. Thou knows nothing!. Casurgis out — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.12.8 (talk) 01:32, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What does this mean?

"The research based on cooperation between universities, Academy of Sciences and specialised research centers brings new inventions and impulses in this area." What are these "new...impulses"? Is it supposed to be referring to new ideas? What is meant by "this area", is it a particular area of science (if so, which one) or is it referring to the country? --Khajidha (talk) 15:07, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Aged hostility and desinformations

Continual deletion of correct geographical name Czechia, unprecendent erasing official documents, recommendations of Ministry of foreing affairs of the Czech Republic and texts from Collection of Laws in this direction by Wikipedia admins (Yopie, Khajida, Mojo...., etc.) was officially announced to the Ministry of foreign affairs (minister Lubomír Zaorálek) 31st March 2015. Diggindir (talk) 08:53, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't being deleted, it is simply not being promoted. The situation is covered in the section Czech Republic#Etymology and the article Name of the Czech Republic. Wikipedia is not for the promotion of the usage of an uncommon word (or anything else). --Khajidha (talk) 09:09, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have a question. In the section Czech Republic#Etymology Diggindir's edit was reverted by Khajidha and I do not understand WHY. Compare the both version:

Khajidha: Following the dissolution of Czechoslovakia at the end of 1992, the Czech part of the former nation found itself without a common single-word name in English. In 1993, the Czech Minister of Foreign Affairs Jozef Zieleniec suggested referring to the new country in less formal contexts as Czechland, singling it out as a traditional name of the dominion of the Czechs.[23] He also offered the alternative Czechia /ˈtʃɛkiə/ (Česko Czech pronunciation: [ˈtʃɛsko] in Czech), the use of which has not become widespread in English.[24] Note that in official documents and the full names of government institutions the term Czech Republic is always used.
Diggindir: Following the dissolution of Czechoslovakia at the end of 1992, the Czech part of the former nation found itself without a common single-word name in English. Following the dissolution of Czechoslovakia at the end of 1992, the Czech part of the former nation found itself without a common single-word name in English. In the beginning of the new Czech state in 1993, the appropriate institutions of English speaking lands agreed and conveyed, that they will respect any proposal of the name in English from the Czech side. The decree of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic in its memorandum to all Czech embassies and diplomatic missions in 1993, recommended to use the full name "Czech Republic" only in official documents and titles of official institutions and recommended to use geographical name Czechia /ˈtʃɛkiə/ (Česko Czech pronunciation: [ˈtʃɛsko] in Czech): "In all other cases, the one-word name Czechia should be preferred"[23].

I think that the version by Diggindir looks much more like an "encyklopedic" text. It is what I would expect in Wikipedia. The version reverted by Khajidha is not professional, it looks inexpert. The both versions are based on different sources. The "Khajidha's version" cites two journalistic articles (The Prague Post, Los Angeles Times), no reliable official sources! The sentence that "the use of which has not become widespread in English" is not even based on those more than 20 years old texts. The Diggindir's version cites an official instruction of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic. Therefore Diggindir's version should be preferred. Not because of any ideology, but just because of the preservation of the encyclopedic character of Wikipedia. The user Diggindir should prove that such instruction really exists. There should be also added that the official government institutions prefer the name "Czech Republic" (except the president). On the other hand the fact that "in official documents and the full names of government institutions the term Czech Republic is always used" is not surprising. Every state uses its official name in official documents (a treaty between France and Germany is always a treaty between the French Republic and the Federal Republic of Germany see). Therefore it cannot be considered to be an argument against using the name "Czechia". --Packare (talk) 10:07, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Diggindir's text is overly florid and wordy ("In the beginning of the new Czech state...") and ungrammatical ("conveyed, that they will respect"), hardly what I would consider "encyklopedic" [sic]. As the section is about the usage in English and not about the laws of the Czech Republic, I fail to see what sort of "reliable official sources" you expect us to use. "The use of which has not become widespread in English" is based on the Prague Post article ("the term has never caught on, despite having a long history, with one Australian newspaper, the Mercury, using it in an article from 1866"), and that Prague Post article is from 2013 - not over twenty years ago. I am finding it hard to understand why you say that Diggindir's text saying "use the full name "Czech Republic" only in official documents and titles of official institutions" should be in the article to preserve the encyclopedic character of Wikipedia, while the text I reverted to saying "that in official documents and the full names of government institutions the term Czech Republic is always used" is so blatantly obvious as to not need stating. They are saying the same thing! The only real difference is that Diggindir includes the decree of the Czech government that Czechia should be used. But that's the real problem. Neither you, nor Diggindir, nor any of the other POV pushers here care about what the English language actually does, but only what the Czech government says it should. This section (and the full article it links to) is about actual English usage. --Khajidha (talk) 14:12, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Sorry, I wrote this post too quickly. You are right with the Prague Post – I overlooked it. My mistake. Of course, I am not an English native speaker and I really cannot say what is natural in English. Nevertheless I think that the article should cite also some official statements of the Czech government. The journalistic articles are not enough in my opinion. --Packare (talk) 19:27, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Name of this country in history studies

While it may be the case that Czech Republic is the usual name of this country when referring to the current situation, I can't imagine that any professional historian would speak of the history of the Czech Republic while talking about the entire history starting in prehistory and all the way through middle ages etc. That would be utterly anachronistic. I would therefore recommend to split the article in two articles, namely one about Czechia which is about its history and one about the Czech Republic which is about the current country. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:58, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A course or text on the history of this region could quite easily be titled "History of the Czech Republic", just as a course or text could be titled "History of the United States" even if it covered events before 4 July 1776. What couldn't be done is using the term Czech Republic when speaking of the region pre-1993. When discussing such times, the names that were used then would be used (such as "Lands of the Bohemian Crown") or constructions such as "the Czech lands" or "the territory of the current Czech Republic". This is what is done here. When general English usage outside of Wikipedia changes to use Czechia, we will follow suit. --Khajidha (talk) 00:02, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Česko

Information about single-word Czech name of Czech Republic - Česko - is BURRIED in 3rd sentence of linked article (!) Name of the Czech Republic. Is this really how encyclopedia should work? Should not we hide capital city into linked article too? (Yes, I consider it equally important.)

Other states have one-word name in their native language stated in first sentence.

Other language versions of Czech Republic have it in first sentence.

I added it, it was deleted by Khajidha with "consensus is against having this in the lead. Take to talk page to discuss", so here I am.

It is fairly used name which is recognized by Czech and other language versions of the article. So why the exception for this article and language only?

This article contains only vague info about Česko, one may read it between lines as "name Česko was considered in 1993 but never used".


Keep in mind this post is about Česko, not Czechia (whole different story). Chrzwzcz (talk) 19:07, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Other languages have this in the lead to parallel the one word name in that language. English doesn't use a one word name for the Czech Republic, therefore there is no reason to list a Czech language one in the lead either. This is covered in the section on etymology. It is handled differently here than in other languages because English usage is different than other languages. --Khajidha (talk) 20:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]


No commonly used translation to English, so let's hide it for symmetry reasons... Am I reading it right? THIS is the consensus you were talking about? Is it up to debate, or is it non-negotiable? Pretty weak reason to me.
Covered in Etymology. You mean link to article Name of Czech Republic? Or sentence:
He also offered the alternative Czechia /ˈtʃɛkiə/ (Česko Czech pronunciation: [ˈtʃɛsko] in Czech), the use of which has not become widespread in English.
Tell me that it implies that "Česko" has become known and used in Czech. It does not. Can at least this be clarified in article?
Article is full of prehistoric events, but current used single-word name is hidden somewhere, I don't get it.
Chrzwzcz (talk) 21:23, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If I understand you correctly, you are pushing to including the Czech language short form name in the lead sentence (conceding there is no widely known English equivalent)? I don't think English readers much care what the Czech language short form name is. I am more interested in prehistoric events.--Mojo Hand (talk) 23:04, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why exactly did you start a new sub-thread on an issue that has been discussed at length above? Anyway, there is no place for that in the lead, although I agree it may be appropriate to add it to the etymology section in some meaningful way.

The most important thing is, as was pointed out, that this is Czech language issue, which has not really that much place on English Wikipedia article. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 10:49, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All right, Česko in lead is denied. I don't like it, I don't find reasons satisfying but at least Khajidha's last edit shows some understanding and at least something was achieved. For that I am truly thankful.

For me, term Czechland, in bold even, is waaaaay too overstressed. The Minister's 'quote' is (not really, but you know what I mean) the last time anyone said Czechland loud, why to waste reader's time, it is not some kind of famous speech, so why to read about some never used suggestion? (And I think there were more which are not listed in article.) My proposition:

Following the dissolution of Czechoslovakia at the end of 1992, the Czech part of the former nation found itself without a common single-word name in English. In 1993, the Czech Minister of Foreign Affairs Jozef Zieleniec suggested referring to the new country in less formal contexts as Czechland, singling it out as a traditional name of the dominion of the Czechs.[23] He also offered the alternative (among other suggestions) as Czechia /ˈtʃɛkiə/ (Česko Czech pronunciation: [ˈtʃɛsko] in Czech); while the Czech form has gained usage, the English version is still rare.

Current version 'the English version is still rare' - does it mean Czechia, Czechland, any English term including the two from previous sentences? You may find it pedantic that I want to differentiate between Czechland (not used at all) and Czechia (used at least rarely) but again, we might find some compromise ;)

Chrzwzcz (talk) 17:03, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I un-bolded both variants. I'm not sure why they were bolded in the first place.--Mojo Hand (talk) 17:44, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Rather than un-bolding I was hoping for removing part about Czechland as proposed above. Chrzwzcz (talk) 18:11, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Truthfully speaking, Chrwzcz, about the only time an English speaker comes across EITHER Czechland or Czechia (or Bomosia or any other proposed name) is when some one is complaining that the English language doesn't have a one word name for the Czech Republic. --Khajidha (talk) 18:16, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Current agreement between Czech authorities is: if any, Czechia it is. No Czechland, no Bomosia (actually never heard of this one before), no Czecho. If properly sourced, where's the problem? The fact that this current ("not loud enough") Czech statement not heard by English speaker is not reason to have old dated obsoleted statement from interview with one minister from ages ago on English wiki, right? Chrzwzcz (talk) 19:42, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Chrzwzcz but we need to find more recent official Czech statements to this topic. Back to the original Chrzwzcz's proposal: The widely used Czech name of the country "Česko" has to be mentioned in the introduction (e. g. Česká televize uses the official "Česká republika" rather rarely). Either it should be mentioned in the first sentence: "The Czech Republic (/ˈtʃɛk r[invalid input: 'ɨ']ˈpʌblɪk/ ⓘ CHEK-rə-PUB-lik; Czech: Česká republika, pronounced [ˈt͡ʃɛskaː ˈrɛpuˌblɪka] ⓘ, shortly Česko, pronounced [ˈtʃɛsko]) ..." or we could replace the name "Česká republika" with "Česko" in the infobox.--Packare (talk) 20:46, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see your reasoning. The word used in English is Czech Republic, which translates to Czech as Česká republika. What Czech TV uses or doesn't use has no impact on that. Why would it be in the lead?
Czechland should be there alongside Czechia, since neither of them got widespread use despite both having been proposed. Whether the Ministry is pushing for Czechland or Czechia is a trivia, similarly as what has been named after Kim in North Korea. This is encyclopedia, not a place for pushing political (or political-etymological) agenda. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 07:33, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ministry proposed in past - Wiki informs. Ministry says today - Wiki can't say, it would be pushing. Where's the line? 5 years? Or after new elections Wiki finally can say what previous political representation promoted?
This - Liberland - is not pushing because it informs about non-existing state. that is the difference between informing and pushing, right?
Chrzwzcz (talk) 09:23, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We should mention any proposals from the ministry, but we should not be seen to be favoring any of them. We should state that the Ministry had proposed both Czechland and Czechia and had later made the determination to use only Czechia, but we should not do so in such a manner to suggest that English usage is incorrect or MUST change. --Khajidha (talk) 11:13, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"We should state that the Ministry ... had later made the determination to use only Czechia" - but article does not state this at all. You may think that English readers do not care about this. I say - when you started with info about Ministry point of view in past, you should inform properly about current development; or erase Ministry point of view completelly.
I am glad that article does not say anything about most popular (but incorrect) single-word name - "Czech". I guess it is only "CzechEnglish" usage, not EnglishEnglish :)
Chrzwzcz (talk) 15:05, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't this sentence cover it?: "He also offered the alternative "Czechia" /ˈtʃɛkiə/ (Česko Czech pronunciation: [ˈtʃɛsko] in Czech); while the Czech form has gained usage, the English version is still rare." What exactly would you have it say? Remember that this is just a summary paragraph and that more details are available in the Name of the Czech Republic article. --Khajidha (talk) 17:33, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
More detailed Name of the Czech Republic article says nothing about Czechland, summary paragraph does.
More detailed article says nothing about suggestions, but recommendations (which I more important I guess).
I don't get why does summary paragraph contain pieces of information which are not (worthy enough to be) present in source article of this summary. Summary by definition is "a comprehensive and usually brief abstract, recapitulation, or compendium of previously stated facts or statements". Or is it summary of more detailed articles which are not listed?
Chrzwzcz (talk) 19:03, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It should be in the detailed article. If it isn't, it needs to be added there. --Khajidha (talk) 21:27, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I should stop suggesting corrections, it ends up being changed elsewhere against my original suggestion. Chrzwzcz (talk) 22:15, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Back to the word "Česko". It is correct that "the word used in English is Czech Republic, which translates to Czech as Česká republika." BUT: I think it belongs to an article in Wikipedia to mention the one-word name of the country in the local language although it has no official English translation. I always expect to find also the local names in English Wikipedia articles. "Russian Federation" is "Rossiyskaya Federatsiya". If there was no English word for "Russia", I would still be interested to know how the Russians usually call their country, not only officialy – I would like to find the word "Rossiya". Why would be the following solution not acceptable? "The Czech Republic (/ˈtʃɛk r[invalid input: 'ɨ']ˈpʌblɪk/ ⓘ CHEK-rə-PUB-lik; Czech: Česká republika, pronounced [ˈt͡ʃɛskaː ˈrɛpuˌblɪka] ⓘ, shortly Česko, pronounced [ˈtʃɛsko])" --Packare (talk) 18:08, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

They already answered this. It is not acceptable because there would be 1 English name, 2 Czech names and it would be unbalanced. There would be no English short name to connect with Czech short name and it would be too confusing, apparently. And that it is covered in section Etymology - for "linguistic enthusiasts" as you described. It does not matter that other language version of this article usually have it in lead section (and Czech version in title), because there does not occur that imbalance 1:2 like in English. Chrzwzcz (talk) 18:45, 28 April 2015 (UTC) As I browsed through ~15 articles about countries, I can tell, there is no common template how the 1st sentence should look like (eg. Slovakia, Greece, Serbia, Belarus each having different approach with something missing in different order). Pretty common is this template - simplified without pronounciations - ShortInEnglish (NameOfNativeLanguage: ShortItNativeLanguage), officially LongInEnglish (NameofNativeLanguage: LongInNativeLanguage). Chrzwzcz (talk) 19:03, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Encyclopedic quality images

Regarding the images in the article, I would like to ask editors to look at featured articles such as United States, Japan or Germany, to see how images on Wikipedia serve their purpose. These articles have a limited amount of high quality images that directly illustrate the most important aspects and major, history changing political events of the country. As you can see none of the aforementioned featured articles include pictures of very indirect description of minor events such as massacre memorials (like this File:Memorial lidice children (2007)-commons.JPG), and they also don't include extremely low quality images (like this File:Pilsner Urquell 2.JPG), neither do these featured articles include galleries illustrating random content about tourism or culture. So please respect Wikipedia's quality standards and try to maintain the quality of the article on a possibly encyclopedic level, with necessary amount of specific, relevant images, instead of an overflow of randomly picked, low quality clutter.--Der Golem (talk) 09:04, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Der Golem, I have spent so much time on this article, then you came and turned it upside down. You talking about the most important aspects of Czech Republic - why have you removed image of Jaroslav Heyrovský, the only recipient of the Nobel Prize - it is not enough important Czech person? You have removed image of Urquell - it is not enough important? as was there stated, it was the first "pilsner" type beer in the world, thats why it is famous and is much better known internationally, your argument was wrong. But I agree with you that image could of better quality, I cloud find a better one, also I do not insist on Lidice memorial, despite that I do not consider Lidice massacre and other massacres in Czechia as a minor event as you do:( Regarding the gallery, I also do not insist on it so much, however, I do not see an argument that because some other articles do not include it, it is forbiden to put it here. This gallery illustrate above paragraph about Tourism. If I will describe all the images in text, is it going to be more acceptable for you? Jirka.h23 (talk) 15:29, 24 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
BTW Do you think it is necessary to have here the low-quality picture about the Treaty of Lisbon? --Packare (talk) 19:37, 24 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Good point, Packare. -Jirka.h23 (talk) 19:53, 24 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you have spent a so much time on this and it is still a C-class article, maybe you haven't done such a good job. If you don't understand why featured article criteria are the standard of high quality article on Wikipedia, then I can only recommend you to accept Wikipedia policies and rules. If you want to establish a reason why some images are important, you should provide reliable sources, but in no way is there an excuse for using low quality images.--Der Golem (talk) 04:13, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Der Golem, please do not consider my answer as offensive, I am sure we both want the best for this article. Please answer my questions and proposals above. Thanks. Jirka.h23 (talk) 08:46, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about the others, but the beer picture was just of horrendous quality. I don't care how famous or important that brand of beer is, you should not be trying to illustrate it with that useless piece of crap photo. It should not be anywhere near this encyclopedia. Having no picture of any beer at all is preferable to having that one used on the page. --Khajidha (talk) 16:36, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I totally agree with you (which you would saw if you have read my comment above), maybe this image would be deleted at all. Now, what about the rest? Jirka.h23 (talk) 12:04, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Erb Jižní Moravy

Could someone redraw the bunch of grapes in the lower-left quadrant of the South Moravian coat of arms / flag? I originally drew that like a decade ago, assuming someone would fix it, and it still looks awful.

Czechia once again

Hi, I wouldn't have had wrote about it again but because of new circumstances I think I'm obligated to do so. The reason why I'm opening new thread is because the official request to call the Czech Republic unofficially as Czechia has been sent to the United Nations, according to the spokeswoman of the Czech government Běla Hejná (for links you can check out the history of the Article page). The second thing is that Swedish embassy uses one-word name Czechia on its Twitter (https://twitter.com/SwedeninCZ). President and Prime Minister of the Czech Republic as well as Institute of the Czech language accepted the unofficial English name Czechia (could be used as America - means both Czech Republic and Czechia are possible to use). I think it would be appropriate that we will mention Czechia as often known name for the Czech Republic in the lead of the article. Wikipedia is about to educate people and personally I think we should mention it in the lead.

Like this

The Czech Republic (/ˈtʃɛk r[invalid input: 'ɨ']ˈpʌblɪk/ ⓘ CHEK-rə-PUB-lik; Czech: Česká republika [ˈt͡ʃɛskaː ˈrɛpuˌblɪka] ⓘ), commonly referred to as Czechia, is a landlocked country in Central Europe bordered by Germany to the west, Austria to the south, Slovakia to the east and Poland to the northeast.

Thank you for taking time to read this and I would like to open again a discussion about this.

Sincerely, Itsyoungrapper (talk) 01:07, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly how does a Czech request to the UN and the usage of a Swedish embassy relate to English language usage? Does the man on the street in London or New York or Auckland or Toronto or Melbourne know what Czechia is? Does CNN or the BBC use the term? Do atlases published in the UK, US, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc label the country that way? Yes, please do add the request to the section specifically devoted to the name and to the dedicated article Name of the Czech Republic, but until the usage is common in English it doesn't belong in the lead. --Khajidha (talk) 02:02, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter if the media use it or not neither matter if people in Britain use it. Everything depends on if government officials and United Nations accept the name in official way. Wikipedia is directed by official reports and statements not If people use it or not. Read the whole article even former President of Israel uses the name --> http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/10/09/the-czech-president-would-like-you-to-call-his-country-by-a-new-name/. I'm not pro nor against the name Czechia but now I have to raise my hand and oppose your argument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsyoungrapper (talk • contribs) 12:55, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Umm, no. Wikipedia is NOT "directed by official reports and statements". See WP:COMMONNAME.--Khajidha (talk) 13:04, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, you have opposed me with people in London, Auckland, New York don't use it but on CNN iReports people call it Czechia --> https://www.google.com/search?q=Czechia+site:cnn.com&hl=en&as_qdr=all&biw=1209&bih=608&ei=ZQPGVYb1K8yRsAGS05zgBg&start=0&sa=N Itsyoungrapper (talk) 13:27, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You did see the notice at the top of the page "Not verified by CNN". And you did notice that those articles were written in rather broken English. Not exactly an indication of usage by CNN or in native English language media in general. --Khajidha (talk) 02:16, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
When UN request will be sent and accepted, then the article about Czech Republic will have to recognize it at least somehow. Chrzwzcz (talk) 21:28, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As I said before: "Yes, please do add the request to the section specifically devoted to the name and to the dedicated article Name of the Czech Republic, but until the usage is common in English it doesn't belong in the lead." --Khajidha (talk) 02:18, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am not from the country with the "forbidden" short name and not from any English-speaking country either. But I think this is almost absurd. The short form does exist, even if the long form for some strange reasons is more used in English, than in most other languages. But not even mentioning the short form is really very odd. There must be some very "anti-Czechia" (perhaps not agaist the country itself, but against the short name) feelings behind this. --Vedum (talk) 22:36, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Some other larger languages (as Italian, Portuguese and Spanish) also have the the articles about this country under its long form name. That is quite O.K., because they mention that there also is a short form. The English article is unique by trying to supress this fact. --Vedum (talk) 22:50, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't get it either, even Czech leaders DO use it as well as Israeli president. I think it should be mentioned in the lead. And btw. even Czech article on Czech wikipedia has primary name Česko though country's official name is Česká republika in Czech and Česko is not mentioned in any government or official document. --- http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Česko Itsyoungrapper (talk) 22:57, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What I don't get is the obsession to include a name that is virtually unknown in common usage. I do live in an English speaking country and I have never heard the word "Czechia" outside of these conversations on Wikipedia. Saying that Czechia is in common usage is simply wrong. Other than that, I have no objection to the name.--Mojo Hand (talk) 23:17, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but you probably haven't heard a word selfie in 2011 for example. I think if Czech officials want to have another short name for their country it should be in the lead. I'm not pro-Czechia nor anti-Czechia. There's a lot of anger about this word. Itsyoungrapper (talk) 23:39, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The word is not suppressed. There's a section in this article and a whole separate article about it. The point is, that "Czechia" is so rarely used in actual English language sources that it might as well NOT be English. As far as the general English speaking populace is concerned, the name of this country is "the Czech Republic" and ONLY "the Czech Republic". It thus seems as weird to put Czechia in the lead as it would to put "Oz" in the lead on the Australia page. If the Czech people want people to use Czechia, they need to start using it themselves. In their name at the UN, on their official websites, etc. Then, they should get other sources to use it. After it becomes common OUTSIDE of Wikipedia, then it will become common ON Wikipedia. Trying to force the change here is putting the cart before the horse.--Khajidha (talk) 00:38, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What about this exaggerated scenario: Let's say Czechoslovakia dissolved not in 1993 but January 1 2015. How quickly would Wiki react? January 1 2015 - already existing new pages for new states. Or August 12 2015 - common English people does not know about this, it is known under Czechoslovakia, so let's keep it still under Czechoslovakia and maybe write new paragraph somewhere to the middle of the article but god forbid the lead. But let's monitor English sources, maybe in a year or two we will change it. Chrzwzcz (talk) 23:07, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all the same. Calling this country the Czech Republic is not wrong, calling it Czechoslovakia is. When Czechoslovakia broke up, the new resulting states were immediately recognized under the names we were told to use: Slovakia and the Czech Republic. If the country wanted to be called Czechia, why didn't they say so THEN? And, again, if the country wants to be known as Czechia now, why doesn't it sit under that name at the UN? Why doesn't it use that name for its official website? Why doesn't it market itself as a vacation destination under that name? Why does it seem that they only want to change WP? --Khajidha (talk) 01:11, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
They do not want to rename the country's name, they just want to include unofficial one for sport (example). I think that is same as United States, United States of America, USA or America. United States of America is used in official documents and laws and America is not.Itsyoungrapper (talk) 02:17, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Then they should have their sports teams use that name. The point you keep missing is that Wikipedia reflects usage, it does not set it. The change needs to occur outside Wikipedia first. --Khajidha (talk) 02:44, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It was intentionally exaggerated to understand your principles and set/get the precedence.

I get it why you are reluctant to include Czechia NOW. And I am pleased to hear that only strong will of the country to be known under new (well not new but alternative short) name is sufficient to be recognized on Wiki (at least on the lead), no need for mandatory testing period among English speaking world. Wiki does not want to be "Wiki knows first", but it would be wrong to be "Wiki knows what it is commonly known". You do not want Wiki to be propagator/pusher. But if you wait with publishing too long, people may start to think "if it is not on Wiki it is simply not true". Chrzwzcz (talk) 17:08, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And if we put it in the lead NOW it would seem like we're making it up.--Khajidha (talk) 22:49, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If Czech Republic participate at Olympic Games under name Czechia, people are wondering what Czechia is, trying to ask Wikipedia but Wiki is silent, wouldn't it be strange? Chrzwzcz (talk) 01:19, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If they use it, we will change it.--Mojo Hand (talk) 01:39, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not to mention that NO ONE should give this website that much power over reality. There are many, many, MANY things that aren't on Wikipedia that are, nonetheless, true. And, again, Wikipedia is NOT silent on the name, it's on the page along with a discussion of its lack of use and a link to an article for further information.--Khajidha (talk) 11:27, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia should educate people and make them smarter. As previously was said If Czech Olympic team will participate at Olympic Games under name Czechia it will be mentioned in the lead.Itsyoungrapper (talk) 11:31, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
|How does the current format where "Czechia" is explained in the etymology section of this article and in a separate, dedicated article fail to educate people?--Khajidha (talk) 15:50, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"If they use it, we will change it." - OK, it's a promise :) Chrzwzcz (talk) 17:50, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic groups (2

NOroma,RILI?????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.246.178.190 (talk) 10:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What the hell are you on about? —Itsyoungrapper (talk) 11:20, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The ethnic groups listed in the infobox are the ones who self-identified in the source linked. I would guess that the 26% unspecified includes the Roma population of the country. The estimated 250,000 Romani people in the Czech Republic ARE mentioned in the section on demographics. --Khajidha (talk) 13:30, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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