Talk:Deaths in December 2016

Participation in the Olympics

Just wanted to check if I got people with me on removing info about participation in the Olympics. Surely mentioning winners and medalists are enough? Now Nic Zwetnow is mentioned as an Olympic sports shooter. His best result is 29th. Carlos Loyzaga is an Olympic basketball player. His best result is 7th. Robert Sassone 10th place is mentioned. And list surely goes on. I'm removing it for now, please stop me if I'm doing something wrong.Nukualofa (talk) 20:28, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree, only medal wins warrant listing as notable achievements. Thanks, WWGB (talk) 21:14, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Why is it better to note a generic "sport foo player" instead of noting the person played in two Olympic games? Is there an existing consensus not to list this? Participating in the Olympics is significant enough that it serves as criteria to meet GNG per WP:NOLYMPICS. Rikster2 (talk) 23:43, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

The Olympic Games is just a championship. Why should it be treated differently from other championships? José María Rivas, who died 9th of January played in the 1982 FIFA World Cup, but listing that as one of his achievements isn't being considered. Gerry Byrne, who was the last former world champion who died, in November 2015, was rightly credited as world champion. Participation is criteria enough for a Wikipedia article, but this Deaths in 2016 doesn't need to list every notable thing a person has done.Nukualofa (talk) 00:46, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

It isn't listing every notable thing, it is giving context beyond just the occupation in the same way as listing professional clubs, songs, movies or political offices. Otherwise there is not context in the entry. Why not just list David Bowie as a singer/songwriter instead of listing a couple of his songs? Rikster2 (talk) 00:48, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Again, it is just a single championship. Should we list every participation in a world championship as well? How about things like the Champions League? We don't list things like Oscar nominations and political nominations, only info of winning such things are listed. Reginaldo Araújo was bizarrely listed as an Olympic footballer earlier. The Olympic football championship is a U-23 championship, with only a fraction of the interest and status of the Fifa World Cup, however participation there is completely overlooked. There should be a standard.Nukualofa (talk) 01:14, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree there should be a standard - where is this one listed? Seems like there should be a manual of style for this page. This is the second time this month I have been informed of the "unwritten rules" of the page (the last being that one needs to follow the rule of three when listing teams, songs, films, etc - even if from a significance standpoint two or four would make more sense). Why do we list that David Bowie was an "actor" (in Labarynth of all films)? Why do we list that Abe Vigoda appeared on the Conan O'Brien show? These aren't fundamental to their notability. I just think the entry should succinctly answer the question "why was this person notable?" For a large segment of athletes, their whole careers are pointed towards making the Olympics - it is why they rate an entry on this list. just my two cents. Rikster2 (talk) 01:26, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Back when I stayed on top of Olympic listings, regardless of finish, I would also investigate to see if they have other notable events in their career (Cups, Championships, etc). However I have slacked off from even checking Olympic participation due to new device difficulty. I don't think Olympic participation should be diminished, if that is their sole notability. In my opinion, it's about getting there than where they finish. Listing someone who participated by just their name, age, nationality and sport seems unduly unfair. I certainly wouldn't want to see someone who came in fourth place to be "generically listed" with the next normal sportsperson. Some of these people train hard to be included in the Olympics, as opposed to John Doe who played one season in badminton somewhere. No harm, no foul with one added word and year(s). — Wyliepedia 13:20, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Ahh, I wondered what had happened to the "Olympic" tag against many individuals here. I would trawl these pages to fill in the redlinks for dead Olympians. Easy to search for the prefix "Oly", find the names and fill in the gaps. There's no harm if the obituary states "John Smith, Olympic fooian, died today..", etc. It's a good qualifier. Yes, not everyone who competed at the Olympics has that as the pinacle of their career (such as that footballer mentioned in the opening para.), but it's a damn good start. Nic Zwetnow was also notable in other fields. Something I didn't know until someone expanded the article. I would never have located it without the Olympic qualifer. Well, I did, as I created it sometime before he died. Now if some self-appointed busy-bodies want to impose their own rules to not to include this, much to the detriment of the project, then fine, let them have their moment. Hope they actually fill in the blanks while they're so concerned that "Olympics/Olympian" isn't worth a mention. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 19:15, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

I like how having different opinions makes somebody (me) a self-appointed busy-body imposing my own rules, even though I actually asked for opinions here on the talk page, and got support for my views. Being 29th in the Olympics isn't very notable. Playing a semi final (for example) in the FIFA World Cup, is a much bigger deal. I really don't understand why the Olympics should be given such a status here, when other championships and competitions aren't given any. How about participation in a Super Bowl game? How about a World Championship? The Eurovision Song Contest? Where to draw the line? Nukualofa (talk) 08:51, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

"Being 29th in the Olympics isn't very notable". So 28th is? Being at the Olympics is notable, fullstop. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 09:53, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Too close to call, so I will keep adding them, especially since "2011 Decanter Man of the Year" is worth mentioning. — Wyliepedia 16:18, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I never said being 28th is very notable either. Participation in the Olympics, whatever result, is notable enough to have a profile, but there's no need for it to be mentioned on this list. A lot of people have much greater sports achievements than a mediocre finishing place in the Olympics. Carlos Loyzaga, who is listed as an Olympic basketball player, with participation in the Olympic Games highlighted, only came seventh in the Olympics, but won a bronze medal at the basketball world championship in 1954. How come that's not listed, it's a better achievement?Nukualofa (talk) 20:58, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Then frigging add it! — Wyliepedia 07:03, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm bold enough, but I don't want it there. I just want somebody to give me an answer to why the Olympic Games should be treated so differently from other sports championships. Nukualofa (talk) 02:09, 9 February 2016 (UTC) (addition: or, when I think about it, I do want it there.)

I can answer that question- the Olympics are regarded as the oldest sporting competition in the World. It therefore has a special place in sport and is one of the reasons why in addition to being a representative of your country that it holds the place that it does. In your example such as the Champions League, you are not representing your country but a team, club or yourself. Which is also why Soccer/Football and Rugby players have World Cup championships attached to their entries as well.Sunnydoo (talk) 10:47, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Color changes

There has been an annoying change in the Deaths in 2016. Before, when you read an entry it changed the entry to show that it had been read - color changed slightly. Now that no longer continues after you close the page and re-open it later. Thus you cannot see if you have read the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.63.170.131 (talk • contribs) 12:52, February 1, 2016 (UTC-5)

• I believe that would be an issue with your browser, not with the page itself. Skudrafan1 (talk) 20:09, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Maurice White

You have two differing reports on the date of the death of Maurice White of Earth, Wind and Fire. One source lists his date of death as February 3; the other, February 4. As a result, he's on the list twice. Which is it? 108.8.43.24 (talk) 23:55, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

4 February. — Wyliepedia 00:12, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

While some sites initially stated he died on Wednesday the 3rd (Rolling Stone CTV), others now say early Thursday morning (BBC LA Times).--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 00:17, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

This should be clarified...If Mr. White died on the 4th (as a consensus of the sources I'm reading are saying), then it should be updated as such, unless the evidence says otherwise. Otherwise it will be quite confusing to a lot of people, and Wikipedia should be accurate.Swilliamrex (talk) 02:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Being bold, and wishing to synchronise both the subject article death date and the death date shown in this article, I have moved Maurice from 3rd to 4th, requesting a rationale to be stated here if reverting my edit for any reason. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 14:03, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Adding "death announced on this date" seems a further enhancement which should please everyone. Thanks to TDKR Chicago for that. Ref ^(chew)(do) 20:29, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Raphael Schumacher

This Italian actor seems to have no notability other than the fact that he died. His four-sentence WP page is linked only from this page and from List of entertainers who died during a performance. It seems to me he should only be listed there, and/or perhaps on List of unusual deaths. A Google search for his name only seems to bring up articles regarding his death, nothing prior. Thoughts? Skudrafan1 (talk) 00:34, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Agree that he fails WP:NACTOR, but, until his page gets deleted and winds up being red linked here, tis better to list him and delete him at the required time than have edit wars or answer requests here. — Wyliepedia 02:17, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Gotcha. Skudrafan1 (talk) 14:14, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Article was deleted at author's request. WWGB (talk) 00:32, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

David Mirra but not Maurice White on main page for recent deaths?

Seriously? Come on folks... Paradise coyote (talk) 01:52, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Not within our control here. Main page mentions are nominated by random people and go through the voting process. — Wyliepedia 02:11, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

if you would be so kind as to provide the link to that nomination page... -thx...Paradise coyote (talk) 02:48, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Some information at Wikipedia:In_the_news#Recent_deaths_section. WWGB (talk) 03:37, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

White's nomination. — Wyliepedia 07:02, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

References in Preview Screen

I notice that the reference entries now appear in the preview screen -  Great!.-Kiwipat (talk) 22:08, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm glad someone explained that. I thought I'd formatted something wrongly during editing to start with. Useful tool. 86.113.174.106 (talk) 07:35, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Hwang Min-Woo

According to these articles ([1] [2] [3]) the Korean "Little PSY" who died was actually a 12-year-old named Jun Min-Woo, not a 10-year-old named Hwang Min-Woo. Skudrafan1 (talk) 02:23, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

 Fixed, thanks for that. WWGB (talk) 02:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Please re-word this entry ...

An entry reads: Lauro Vizconde, Filipino crime victim (Vizconde murders) and justice advocate. This entry, even though semantically and technically "correct", is very misleading. As currently worded, it strongly implies that he was murdered during the "Vizconde murders", which he was not. Can someone please tweak the wording a bit? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:20, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

On second thought, it does not seem accurate to refer to him as a "victim" of the crime. He was out of the country when the murders occurred. How is he a "victim" (of the murder), other than in the most attenuated sense? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:27, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Robbed of his family. But yeah, it's a bit misleading. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:03, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

It's a lot misleading, not a little. In any event, looks like someone edited it. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 07:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Viola Beach

Am curious as to why the deaths of this indie pop band's members were removed from the main page for 13 February 2016. Their deaths are mentioned/covered in the "Viola Beach" entry (which has been rewritten since I first viewed it about 4 hours ago). 24.251.245.92 (talk) 01:46, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

This list is limited to notable individuals. While the band Viola Beach may be notable, the individual members have done nothing (eg solo releases) to be considered notable in their own right, as described at WP:MUSICBIO. Thus, they are ineligible for listing here. WWGB (talk) 02:33, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Aside from qualifying for the criteria: "Deaths of non-humans are reported here if they first have their own Wikipedia article;" each of them have also their own notability by simply dying much like Sandra Bland, Neda Agha-Soltan, and Peter Kassig. Adding to that them being musicians, they have twice notability. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 02:53, 15 February' 2016 (UTC)

None of the people you linked are listed in Deaths in 20nn. Just like the members of Viola Band, the circumstances of their death may be notable, but as individuals they are not. It's a long shot to consider band members to be "non-humans". WWGB (talk) 04:39, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Except Philthy Animal, maybe. Or drummers in general. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:19, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

Ho ho. 86.113.174.106 (talk) 16:02, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Since it was the ENTIRE band, why not list it for at least the month?24.251.245.92 (talk) 00:56, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

See the answers above. It doesn't qualify, whatever the sad circumstances are. Crucially though, if there is no prospect of one or more of the individuals ever being given their own article in Wikipedia (and there patently isn't), then it shouldn't even be considered to place them on this page. Sentimentality is not an issue which exists here. 86.113.174.106 (talk) 15:59, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Scalia

Wasn't he verified as a heart attack? Rest in Peace. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 07:26, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

It's a little difficult to verify cause of death since no autopsy was performed and it was all word of mouth mostly based on what Scalia's doctor said was wrong (based on medical files) with the judge.24.251.245.92 (talk) 14:49, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Elias P. Demetracopoulos

"Elias P. Demetracopoulos, 88, Greek journalist and activist, involved in the Watergate scandal." The article about him has no mention of Watergate. 2001:56A:F414:D300:1D13:993:2652:4551 (talk) 06:38, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Watergate "encompass[es] an array of clandestine and often illegal activities undertaken by members of the Nixon administration." This includes what Demetracopoulos uncovered. — Wyliepedia 08:30, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

How many inline references per subject?

Hi. I have recently noticed that some subjects are being provided two inline sources instead of (what I thought was a standard) one. Is it agreed that a subject can have two? Or is someone (or more than one person) playing some kind of game with this? I would have thought that if anyone finds a better source for a death, they would be replacing the existing one, not adding it to the existing one. (As of this timestamp, I refer to that of Peter Mondavi, an entry for February 20, 2016.) Please clarify. 86.113.174.106 (talk) 19:28, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

One legitimate one suffices. Removed the second from Mondavi. — Wyliepedia 21:06, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for clarification. 86.113.174.106 (talk) 23:47, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Jack Lindquist

How come absolutely no mention of his movie career in his entry? 70.190.214.167 (talk) 07:29, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Most likely because he only made "appearances" as an extra in films. If he had more substantial film roles, meaning noteable, we would list them. Not the case so far. — Wyliepedia 09:29, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

The roles must've "notable" enough to have "American child actor" as part of his Recent Deaths entry. But to not even have a sentence like - - -

He appeared in nearly thirty movies as a child actor.

to acknowledge that part of his life that probably had some kind of lasting impact? Even if the appearances were as an extra, look at the films --- like Mr. Smith Goes to Washington --- he was in. There are some rather important and classic movies in his acting portfolio. 70.190.214.167 (talk) 22:46, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

That's not how this list works, though. As it says at the top of the page, each entry only includes Name, age, country of citizenship at birth, subsequent country of citizenship (if applicable), reason for notability, cause of death (if known), and reference. "American child actor and theme park executive" is enough. Anyone who wants more specifics can click the link. Skudrafan1 (talk) 01:38, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I apologize for not being "clear enough" when I used the term "entry" in my initial inquiry. By "entry," I was referring to his separate entry in Wikipedia, NOT the entry on the "Recent Deaths" page. It is his regular entry in Wikipedia that has ABSOLUTELY NO mention of his acting career. So, if the Recent Deaths link is clicked on in hope of finding out about his child acting career in his regular entry, anyone is out of luck; that's why I suggested a one-liner (if not a section of its own) ought to be inserted into his regular entry - - - I did not mean for any thing to be done to his "Recent Deaths" entry. Then again, there are several Recent Deaths entries where an actor has only one work listed for their career. Why should Lindquist's be any different? Or, by following "Skudrafan1"s reasoning, all those whose Recent Deaths entries only list one or two works for their careers, those listed works should be removed and "anyone who wants more specifics can click the link." 70.190.214.167 (talk) 14:46, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Josefin Nilsson

It is claimed that Josefin Nilsson died of tuberculosis. This sounds improbable, because tuberculosis is a very rare cause of death in Sweden (however, reports of small increases in incidence have recently circulated in Swedish media), and it is also not mentioned in the given source.KarlPettersson81 (talk) 08:06, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Someone has already fixed the entry. There is an autopsy underway and I will bet that they will find that is was an embolism caused by her recent hip surgery. Whether that was lost in translation, we can only conject upon.Sunnydoo (talk) 18:42, 1 March 2016 (UTC)