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Yad Vashem records

As of May 2016, from the museum's Names database FAQ: Questions about the Database > How many names are there in the Names Database? "More than 6.5 million personal records from a multitude of original sources appear in the Names Database... Currently, we estimate the number of separate individual victims who were murdered and are commemorated in the Names Database to be 4.5 million." Please update the reference in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.66.58.218 (talk) 07:57, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Since 1945, the most commonly cited figure for the total number of Jews killed has been six million. The Yad Vashem Holocaust Martyrs’ and Heroes’ Remembrance Authority in Jerusalem, writes that there is no precise figure for the number of Jews killed,[339] but has been able to find documentation of more than three million names of Jewish victims killed,[340] which it displays at its visitors center. The figure most commonly used is the six million attributed to Adolf Eichmann, a senior SS official.[341]" This is the paragraph that needs to be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.66.58.218 (talk) 10:56, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The the "names data base" at Yad Vashem is a subset of the total death toll for Jews that has been established by historians. See Laqueur, Walter (2001). The Holocaust encyclopedia. New Haven: Yale University Press. ISBN 0-300-08432-3. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help) p. 145: "The best estimate of the death toll of European Jews in the Holocaust, on the basis of the latest research, is that at least 6 million persons were murdered by gas or shootings or died of starvation and physical abuse." --Joel Mc (talk) 13:32, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request: German euthanasia ("Action T4") until August 1941, then Jewish genocide ("Holocaust")

Could a registered editor please replace the following confusing paragraph in the lead:

From 1941 to 1945, Jews were systematically murdered in one of the deadliest genocides in history, which was part of a broader aggregate of acts of oppression and killings of various ethnic and political groups in Europe by the Nazi regime.[7] Every arm of Germany's bureaucracy was involved in the logistics and the carrying out of the genocide. Other victims of Nazi crimes included ethnic Poles, Soviet citizens and Soviet POWs, other Slavs, Romanis, communists, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses and the mentally and physically disabled.[8][9]

with this chronological correction:

Prior to the Jewish genocide, mentally and physically disabled Germans and Austrians had been secretively murdered from 1939 until 1941 under the Action T4 programme. When Action T4 was halted in August 1941 under pressure from von Galen, the personnel and the techniques were soon re-deployed to Poland for implementing industrial-scale killings in mobile death vans, and for establishing extermination camps with gas chambers for the mass murder of Jews.^[1] Other victims after August 1941 included ethnic Poles, Soviet citizens and Soviet POWs, other Slavs, Sinti and Romani (gypsies), communists, homosexuals, and Jehovah's Witnesses.[8][9]

And on a completely different matter, could this careless and unsourced sentence please be removed:

"Germany's invasion of Poland in September 1939 increased the urgency of the "Jewish Question".

I am sure it was not the Wikipedia author's intention to sound like a Nazi, but unfortunately that is what it sounds like. Alternatively, please put the sentence in quotation marks and cite a source, to make completely clear that it is not a Wikipedia point of view. Thank you.

Soviet role in Holocaust

My father told me that when he was serving in the Red Army they were ordered to deliberately withdraw from cities and towns, leaving the Jews behind each time so they would be killed by the advancing Axis forces. (217.42.27.221 (talk) 13:45, 11 July 2016 (UTC))[reply]

WP:Identifying reliable sources doesn't list your father. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:51, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure there must be many sources available if this is true. Stalin was about to start a second Holocaust when he died in 1953. (217.42.27.221 (talk) 13:54, 11 July 2016 (UTC))[reply]

It's your job to present sources for your claims. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:55, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are multiple sources about collaborationist parties but little on the state-sanctioned involvement. Several sources say Red Army commanders deliberately allowed Jews to be killed or taken prisoner by the Axis armies. (217.42.27.221 (talk) 14:00, 11 July 2016 (UTC))[reply]

You say that and yet you still haven't presented any sources. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:03, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279842/Did-Stalin-condone-holocaust-How-warped-Soviet-values-prevented-stopping-death-camps.html (217.42.27.221 (talk) 14:18, 11 July 2016 (UTC))[reply]

You might want to try reading WP:Identifying reliable sources. Tabloid sensationalism is generally not regarded as equivalent to mainstream academic works by professional historians. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:21, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've only been living in England for a short time but the Daily Mail is no less reliable than the Telegraph. Stalin could have bombed the camps but he chose not to because he approved of the Holocaust. (217.42.27.221 (talk) 14:23, 11 July 2016 (UTC))[reply]

'This tabloid is more reliable than this other tabloid' really doesn't help. You really need to cite mainstream academic works by professional historians with a relevant focus. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:28, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

firms and concerns in the holocaust

konzerne - beispiele

BMW - Quandt und die Göbbels Connection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpQpgd_EeWY

Opel General Motors - David James Mooney , Vergasungs-Lkw Opel Blitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSflzubxN5g

Volkswagen - Gründung durch Adolf Hitler, vollständige Gründung und Kontrolle des Konzerns unter Adolf Hitler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc34hc8tXO4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qd1GD9iXzo

Deutsche Bahn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVLc7TwlBcA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTjAjMRIyOU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5EGpR4we1c speditions-firma, kz deportationen

Siemens zug-bau-konzern, elektrische züge seit 1879, Betreiber des KZ Auschwitz-Aussenlager-Bobrek, strom-zaun von Auschwitz, baute die züge, mit denen kz-insassen deportiert wurden ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLZtOzHblA8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jptb4v1aBGw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUikwfkxUyQ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobrek_concentration_camp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPL1iq946Pg http://www.projektzeitlupe.de/de/ernadevries/essays/gfx/siemens.jpg http://www.projektzeitlupe.de/de/ernadevries/essays/pdf/Das%20Siemens-Lager%20in%20Ravensbrueck.pdf

BASF, Bayer, Agfa, Aventis-Sanofi, Höchst, Kodak, I.G. Farben - chemie-konzern, arznei-mittel-konzern, zyklon b hersteller, präparat be1039(mengele experimente) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQPHEh0SsoA https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.G._Farben https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben#World_War_II_overview http://www.relay-of-life.org/images/speech_20071114/image12.jpg http://www.relay-of-life.org/images/speech_20071114/image15.jpg https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=ig%20farben%20managers&qs=n&form=QBIR&pq=ig%20farben%20managers&sc=0-0&sp=-1&sk= http://www4ger.dr-rath-foundation.org/images/igmanagers%5B1%5D.jpe

Flick - Der Flick-Konzern ist an der Errichtung des KZ Auschwitz beteiligt gewesen ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO8vmMIdUxQ https://cover.archinform.net/m/9783570551431.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Friedrich_Flick_Nuremberg.JPG/220px-Friedrich_Flick_Nuremberg.JPG

Thyssen-Krupp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JefT_xV7MRA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP5CWO0hWUc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE5YbGJnr9U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8AdSHKywEU

Dr. Oetker - Gründer sind NSDAP Mitglieder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NzAjv76Z5c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naSs7SxQqAI

Messerschmidt GmbH - wurde von Bölkow, später Airbus aufgekauft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nNdDkyiANo

... Nasa - Raumfahrt-Konzern , Wernher von Braun, V2 Rakete https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELE1q1JzMKs

Daimler

Adidas Puma - gegründet bei der olympiade 1936 von adolf dassler und rudolf dassler, betreibt zwangsarbeits-lager in 3.welt gebieten ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4e2t0W2uIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i2ZUnBGLiQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EApi8iKZV9k

Metro Group AG - Gründer des Konzerns ist Dr. Beisheim , LSSAH Mitglied https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESepvE3uvw

IBM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOJwA6NGZTE https://ironboltbruce.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/ibm_holocaust.jpg?w=510 https://2012patriot.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/ibm-2.jpg?w=450&h=676 https://www.amazon.de/Holocaust-Verstrickung-Weltkonzerns-Verbrechen-Nazis/dp/3549071302/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1468002485&sr=8-2&keywords=edwin+black

Deutsche Bank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bank#1933.E2.80.931945

Continentale AG Varta - Hersteller von Reifen im 2. wk, betreiber vom kz stöcken, kz limmer Standard Oil Monsanto Bertelsmann - Verbreiter von "Mein Kampf", auch nach 1945 hat der berstelsmann konzern "mein kampf" verbreitet, Bertelsmann besitzt die RTL-Group und verbreitet haus eigene Propaganda

Die Medien-Konzerne UFA

Wiesenhof - KZ ähnliche Massentierhaltung

Aventis Sanofi - kaufte den Zyklon-B-Konzern Höchst auf

Hugo Boss - HJ uniforms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8A9R_cafQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb2dDP3ohGE

Chase National Bank https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXh7HfEFhik

RWE, Vattenfall, Eon EnBW - lieferte den Strom für elektrische Zäune und Scheinwerfer in KZs http://www.kz-auschwitz.de/pix/photos/e_zaun09.jpg

OSRAM - Scheinwerfer in KZs

Telefunken - Hersteller von dem Propaganda-Radio, Die "Göbbels-Schnauze" genannt

Lufthansa

Arcor, Vodafone, Mannesmann http://www.gettyimages.de/detail/nachrichtenfoto/joseph-goebbels-29-10-1897-politician-nazi-party-nachrichtenfoto/548180151

AfD for Holocaust historian

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Romanovsky I started the original article and voted neutral on the AfD. The deleters actually have a good case based on WP policy, but something doesn't feel right. Thanks.Thoughtmonkey (talk) 15:30, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Typo in the summarisation grey bar/general information

Under the [4] note, after one opens the note, at the death counts of the Holoucaust in the general info grey bar section, there is a typo: "tol" while the right version should be "toll" (as it is right under the previous note [3] but not under this [4] one).

Note: Please consider that I am new here--I have just registered my Username, actually--in editing the locked up articles like the "Holocaust" one is, and I am not an English native speaker: for these I apology in advance for the possible awkwardness in case of my help with the typo. I just wanted to inform Wikipedia somehow that there is a typo in an article of such importance, and on top of all in the general summarisation section (inside the grey bar) which might be of even more importance for any reader as the grey summarisation bar might usually be the first thing that strikes any reader's eye/sight.

I hope I could help.

Kind regards, Jan

^ Sereny 1983, p. 54. Role of T4 "Inspector" Christian Wirth in the Holocaust.

[FOOTNOTESereny198354.&nbsp;-1] Sereny 1983, p. 54. Role of T4 "Inspector" Christian Wirth in the Holocaust.

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