Talk:Racism

This page is racist

Why the hell are we telling people about racism? Disgusting practice, wikipedia, hang your heads in shame, wikipedia. If decency prevailed, we would have no racist propaganda here.--Sardinefig (talk) 04:51, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

@Sardinefig: Do you have any specific suggestions to improve the page? If not, this is not a forum for tsk=-tsking wikipedia. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 04:55, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Here is an article that shows this wiki article to be racist: http://www.clickhole.com/article/internet-win-wikipedia-page-racism-getting-absolut-2934. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sardinefig (talk • contribs) 10:26, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

@Sardinefig: Oh lawdy, I hope you are trolling, quoting a Clickhole article like that :^) --71.14.116.224 (talk) 22:59, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Simple definition

First of all article is too complex and even lacks simple definition of Racism. My suggestion is to improve article by writing in the beginning simple definition "the belief that some races of people are better than others". To start article with what Racism is product of means making understanding of subject impossible task. Even Simple English variant of article is far more better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.239.156.142 (talk) 13:23, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

The article will not become better by providing an incorrect, but simple, definition.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 13:28, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

How about we state the fact that racism has several competing definitions none of which are accepted as definitive? Some say it refers to making any distinction based on race, some say it can only happen when a societally powerful race discriminates based on race, the current definition is pretty hazy.--Sardinefig (talk) 00:23, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

First paragraph should define what racism is

The article begins by talking about where racism occurs, etc. without first defining it. This is topsy-turvy. 86.151.233.126 (talk) 08:45, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Part about nazism, change needed

The article states that the nazis graded people from Aryan, to non-aryan subhuman, this is not stated in sources. The nazis never claimed everyone who were not Germanic to be subhuman, they claimed slavs(Russians, Polish etc.) to be subhuman. In mein kampf Hitler divedes people into three parts: culture makers, culture upholders and culture destroyers. The germanic peoples were culture creators (a superior race), most others were culture upholders and the Jews were culture destroyers. The slavs were described as subhuman.37.253.212.32 (talk) 00:24, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2016

In recent years, the overuse of the word, especially in America, has led to the definition morphing somewhat. With the increasingly charged political atmosphere leading to more bitter political rivalries, the terms racism and racist have become synonymous with anyone who disagrees with the official party line of some American political parties, regardless of the beliefs held by the accused.

ModernProgressive (talk) 12:08, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

And what are the sources supporting that claim? Where in the article do you think that should be added? Huon (talk) 12:13, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Notability of Israeli racism against Ethiopian Jews, Palestinians

How is the racism against Ethiopians notable while Palestinians are not mentioned? FWIW Google has 12 times as many results re the latter. Keith McClary (talk) 16:50, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Firstly, a Google count is not a good indication of notability. Secondly, discrimination of Palestinians is not based on race but on other factors such as citizenship and religion. Huon (talk) 18:29, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Restoring balance - reverted

My contributions, e.g. this one, including even fixing the missing blockquote tag, were reverted en masse by @·maunus.

Example of my text, where I added these historical facts, to restore balance:

However, the Umayyad Caliphate invaded Hispania thus creating Al-Andalus, whereby Muslim Berber invaders annihilated the Visigothic rulers, occassionaly massacring the Jews (e.g. in Granada in 1066), while at the same time contributing to the Golden age of Jewish culture. It was resisted by the centuries-long Reconquista, terminated under the Catholic monarchs Ferdinand V and Isabella I. The legacy Catholic Spaniards then formulated the Cleanliness of blood doctrine. It was during this time in history that the Western concept of aristocratic "blue blood" emerged in a racialized, religious and feudal context, so as to stem the upward social mobility of the converted New Christians. 

->Please review the changes and decide if e.g. the hiddden Antisemitism=Christian antisemitism in the current version is POV or my referenced fixes are POV. Zezen (talk) 07:25, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

• There was no missing blockquote, since the statement you put in blockquotes is nt supposed to be a blockquote (I have not checked the book, but it is not supposed to be a quote - if it is then it should simply be removed). Changing the link to Christian Antisemitism is not necessary or usful since that paragraph is specifically about the history of antisemitism in Europe - for which reason the article on Christian antisemitism is the apt. There is already a link to the general article on antisemitism further up in the article. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 07:34, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

I have reverted by reversion of your additions, and apologize for being so rash. On reviewing them I think they actually did improve the content by introducing some balance and not least adding sources to otherwise unsourced statements. I apologize for acting to fast.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 07:51, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

• I checked the quote you put in blockquote and it was not a quote from the source given, and the source given was not Rushton, to whom it was for some reason attributed. Rather, Lewis quotes Toynbee on the "swarthy" vs. "ruddy", but the text here is not a quote from either Lewis or Toynbee.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 08:08, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Dear ·maunus - My hat off to you, and the virtual kudos in your snunɐɯ·Talk Page for your "these edits by Zezen were not as bad as I first thought" self-revert. I was just correcting blatant historical nonsense, quoting the refs accepted in the other relevant more specialized Wiki articles. Let this power of objectivity stay with you and the other editors hereof. Zezen (talk) 13:26, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Turning a merge decision into deletion?

Race-baiting was supposedly merged into the article, yet "bait" is not found on the page. So in effect the article has been deleted. Google gives me the Conservapedia definition and articles about the presidential elections... Prevalence 00:55, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

"Race baiting" would have to receive coberage in the article relative to the amount of coverage it would have in a general textbook on racism. I can imagine that more than a line or two would be justified - it is not clear to me into which section those sentences might go - the concept seems particular to the political context of the US so maybe it will be easier to include in the article in Racism in the United States.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 09:53, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Too much POV on color blindness

The section on color-blindness is totally biased towards a specific leftist, academic ideology of anti-racism. It presents only one side of the debate on color-blindness -- namely the view that color blindness is itself a form of racism. People who don't share this view find it rather incoherent... The lede of the full Wikipedia article on color-blindness is much more balanced. 178.39.122.125 (talk) 00:46, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

WP:FALSEBALANCE and WP:DUE. Do you have any good (academic?) sources that discuss color-blind racism in some other way? Preferably a WP:SECONDARY source as this concept is often covered in textbooks. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:45, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Wow. Yeah, that section has to be removed as an example of racism, that's entirely inappropriate. Any other sources? Did anyone actually read the wiki article on the subject? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness_(race)_in_the_United_States Obviously an approach to combat racism (the position is amazingly not even included!) can't be listed as a form of racism because some thinkers disagree with the approach. As for secondary sources, how about John Rawls and his use of the veil of ignorance found in A Theory of Justice? It is, after all, not only the basis for the popularization of the concept but one of the most important works on socio-political philosophy ever written. Including color blindness under 'aspects of racism' is ridiculous, not to mention a blatant contradiction of the wiki article on color blindness. This, seemingly, is another example of some very questionable ideological slants in this article. Color blindness is listed under aspects of racism, and controversial definitions of racism are included because it's cited from a Huffington Post editorial written by a film critic? Oh boy... Maxxx12345 (talk) 02:03, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

on dividing this topic

As a person who has studied and taught about this subject for many years, i had not thought to look at this article before today, but a friend asked me to review it. I cannot argue in general with what has been written, but i do support separating it into two articles, provided that a brief and summary history of the development of racism, especially in Western (Euro-American) Culture is included in the Racism general article with good hotlinks to the History of Racism. Furthermore, i insist that someone (unfortunately other writing does not permit me the time) needs to develop the history article more fully. It is a bit too Euro-Centric. It needs to start more generally with our genetic disposition to identifying in-groups and out-groups leading to ethnocentrism and discrimination. The correlation between racism and slavery is also clearly delineated in numerous scholarly studies, as well as the enemy distortions of war. An important lacuna in the current discussion of the origins of institutional and cultural racism in Western society is the connexion between racism and the Crusades, the Inquisition as well as the Reconquista of Spain and the expulsion of Jews and Muslims from Iberia, and other parallels with anti-Semitism as justification for legalization of racist laws. Someone should condense the research that develops the strategic teaching of racism to whites in the British colonies of North America after the first slave and Indigenous rebellions in the 17th Century. These necessary aspects for a complete understanding of this history are among chief weaknesses of the current content.

~ D. Pablo Stanfield H., Inter/Act Intercultural Relations, Seattle — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pablo.paz (talk • contribs) 23:18, 9 September 2016 (UTC)