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Good articleMuhammad has been listed as one of the Philosophy and religion good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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Snowsky Mountain's edits

@Snowsky Mountain: I don't enjoy reverting multiple good faith edits, but your choice of content and sources has been problematic. Please keep in mind that this is an encyclopedic historical article, where WP favors a scholarly style and mainstream academic references. You seem to want to take it into a more hagiographic direction, using religious and less academically sound sources. If you'd like to develop an Islamic perspective on this subject, please consider Muhammad in Islam. Thanks. Eperoton (talk) 00:35, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

...but also remember that Muhammad in Islam isn't intended to be a dumping ground for Muslim POV that doesn't belong in this biography. It has been treated as such in the past. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:03, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking the time to review my edits to this page. The sources that I included are academic, not just religious, and are and/or use citations from non-Muslim sources, as well as Muslim sources, thus making it historical, rather than solely religious. That said, I appreciate your desire to make this page be as ideal as possible -- after all, our shared goal is to organize the information on these Wikipedia pages to make them accessible for as many people as possible. Best, Snowsky Mountain (talk) 18:37, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. To elaborate, Glubb isn't an academic historian. A pop-history book from a mainstream publisher meets WP:RS criteria in some contexts, but there's no justification for using his work in favor of Watt's, who is a leading academic authority on the subject. We should aim to report how historians analyze the primary sources, rather than reflect passages from books that channel them uncritically ("it is reported", "it is said"). I see no evidence that Razwy's book is a RS. Eperoton (talk) 03:10, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
With respect to Razwy's book, I would posit that it meets the terms of WP:RS well. It has been published and discusses multiple views on contentious subjects. One example of this can be found on page 119 of his book, where he discusses both the Shia and Sunni belief about the origination of Adhan, the Islamic call to prayer. In many instances, Razwy also cites multiple sources coming from different points of view on the same subject. Best, Snowsky Mountain (talk) 18:40, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Snowsky Mountain, being published is not enough to be WP:RS, and our personal opinions aren't either. It has not been published by an academic publisher and it is not clear to me what the academic status of Razwy is. Jeppiz (talk) 23:05, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Establishing paragraph needs larger context adjective (Muhammad is non a founder of "Islam")

Should be more "as a founding prophet of modern islam" rather than "founding Islam" holus bolus? Islam is a larger faith than "Muslimism". Text mdnp (talk) 05:43, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Text mdnp: You'll need to provide reliable sources that agree with your interpretation. --NeilN talk to me 05:47, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Prophet Muhammad was killed by poison according to The_Book_of_Sulaym_ibn_Qays

Prophet Muhammad rested his head on his wife Aisha's Lap while he died but later according to The_Book_of_Sulaym_ibn_Qays quotes have found Muhammad saying he is been poisoned while its very unclear that was Aisha Muhammad's wife or daughter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.170.98.91 (talk) 06:15, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Needs reliable sources (mainstream and modern). Tgeorgescu (talk) 06:23, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think evoking the Sunni/Shia debate on Wikipedia is a very low blow mate... You can't in any way, shape or form say that the Book of Sulaym ibn Qays is not "reliable", "mainstream and modern". Wikipedia is not a place for pushing you own ideologies! 2001:8003:6A23:2C00:55BB:45BA:787A:E171 (talk) 12:46, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Deliberate POV bias, why the criticism has been diluted and made so lame

This is so blatant to dilute the criticism that it serves no purpose and hardly provides any info. Not onlythis is biased, but also lacks Due Balance. Please add a proper summary of main Criticism of Muhammad including hypocrisy, debauchery, pedophilia, rape, violence, intolerance, etc. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 19:29, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A "proper summary" would be found in the lead section of that article, which doesn't mention any of those things. I would say that the section doesn't belong in a biography article, and the link could be simply mentioned in "see also". ~Anachronist (talk) 20:54, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's a subsection in the article (doesn't seem unreasonable), so if you want to try to improve it, do so. Basically it should resemble the lead of Criticism of Muhammad. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:07, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: It already does; in fact it's nearly a verbatim copy. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:14, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:18, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, there's certainly insufficient resemblance of the criticism of Muhammad, most notably, as you mention, regarding pedophelia 2001:8003:6A23:2C00:55BB:45BA:787A:E171 (talk) 12:46, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Crucial Contexts are missing.

The contexts for Banu Qainuqa and Banu Nadir's banishment are missing, as well as the context of Banu Qurayzah's punishment. Some other key aspects of his life are missing. It's almost as if the handler of this page wanted to portray Muhammad as a petty tyrant. What's more, I can't even correct any of these errors myself because of the pages 'protected from vandalism' status. Lonelywisp (talk) 17:57, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What wording would you suggest, based on what sources? Note also that Banu Qainuqa and Banu Nadir have separate articles, as do several aspects of Muhammad's life. Details may fit better there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:28, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Banu Nadir was expelled because of colluding with the Quraish in the Battle of Uhad. Hence, they violated the Charter of Nedinah, which you also wasn't mentioned. Qainuqa was banished because they also violated the terms of the Charter of Medina, by not supporting the Muslims in the battle of Badr. Qurayzah admitted to colluding with the Quraish and Ghatfan and requested that Muhammad follow the judgement of Ibn Muadh, a Muskim member of their tribe. He judged them by the Torah, which states that the men of backstabbing tribes be slaughtered and the women and children be enslave. There are different accounts as to whether this punishment was thoroughly followed.

Please add these contexts. As it is now, this article is simply spreading Islamophobia. Lonelywisp (talk) 08:32, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Qurayzh betrayed the Nuslims in the battle of the Trench, for clarification. Lonelywisp (talk) 08:33, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for so many spelling mistakes. Medinah* Muslims* Qurayzah* Sources include Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. Lonelywisp (talk) 09:23, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 March 2018

Those pictures Which illustrated Prophet (SAW) should be removed. 144.48.148.5 (talk) 15:15, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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