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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:20, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A "Monty Hall" Campaign

I am looking for a reference to the term "Monty Hall" used as an adjective in roleplaying games, describing a certain style of play characterized primarily by escalation (this is the extent of the details I know). I do not know for certain if it refers to the same person, but it seems likely judging by the article's description of him, and this is the only reference to the term I find on Wikipedia. Wpell (talk) 13:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In Roleplaying, the term "Monty Haul" (clearly a reference to the game show host) has been used for some time to describe campaigns where the game master rewards players with successively larger hordes of magic and wealth, leading to an escalating spiral of powerful characters until there is nothing in the game that holds any challenge. The earliest reference I can find is Dragon #14 (May 1978), where James M. Ward (game designer) started a series of articles called "The Adventures of Monty Haul". He mentions:
[The staff of TSR] all have a feeling of disdain for any judge, referee, or starship master they can call a "Monty Haul" type judge.
In Dragon #42 (October 1980) Gary Gygax writes:
Too often DMs complain that monsters are too weak, spells and magic too strong, or players too clever. What is actually stated in most such cases is that the DM is a Dungeon Milquetoast rather than Master. Players plan and cooperate, so naturally they tend to utilize all their strengths and abilities collectively, thus defeating monsters and DM alike. The classic, unthinking reaction of DMs so abused is to create the "Monty Haul" campaign--"I really wanted my players to walk all over everything, even me!"--or the "Killer Kampaign" game--"It's them or me, and none of those bastards will survive to tell the tale!"
BigBoote66 (talk) 22:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Right, recommend putting this in the article in a new 'Cultural References' section. It should note that the misspelling of Hall as 'Haul' is intentional. 2.28.169.31 (talk) 15:58, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1975 explanation

The article says that "Hall himself gave an explanation .. in an interview .. in 1991". He also provided an explanation in 1975 which can be found in American Statistician 29(3): 134 (August 1975), in response to American Statistician 29(1): 67 (February 1975). John Vandenberg (chat) 23:27, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another person called Monty Hall

Isn't there also some one called Monty Hall who is a British marine biologist, who did "Monty Hall's Great Escape" and "Monty Hall's Great Hebridean Escape"? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:33, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is - he is currently (as of August 2011) doing "Monty Hall's Irish Escape". This article should have a tag saying "Not to be confused with the marine biologist Monty Hall". ACEOREVIVED (talk) 15:15, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NO to both the above comments: the person in question is called Monty Halls. Quis separabit? 17:16, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

One can find out more about the marine biologist (specifically, his series on Ireland) on http://www.discoverireland.com/gb/campaigns/monty-halls-great-irish-escape/?WT.mc_id=gb_ga_110811_brand_monty_halls_great_escape&WT.srch=1 [dead link]

ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:27, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unless the other Monty Hall has an article here, there's probably no reason to have a note about him.  Frank  |  talk  01:55, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I see that the person I was thinking of is actually called "Monty Halls", and has an article here - see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Halls%27_Great_Escape. I still think that the name is similar enough for a disambiguation, or at least, a "Not to be confused with" tag. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:23, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The elephant in the room

The real issue is what the MHP is. The answer given by MvS is incorrect for the problem as she stated it, and it is incorrect for the problem as Monty Hall interpreted it.

Now, Extended problem description does ask a question with particulars not given by MvS that cause the answer to be that given by MvS, but Monty Hall challenged MvS and demonstrated the fact that she was making unstated assumptions.

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 16:37, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Singer?

I just wanted to note that their is a claim here that Monty Hall is a singer, yet their is no reference to any singing engagements or musical credits. While any such information might be lackluster, some expansion of detail should be included to support the claim. -- 71.234.219.9 (talk) 09:45, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't marry a relative

Monty Hall's wife Marilyn Plottel is neither his "distant cousin" nor any other blood relative. The connection supposedly arises from the fact that Monty's mother Rose is first cousin to Norman Shnier, and Norman Shnier is second cousin to Marily Plottel. Trouble is, Norman is related to Rose thru his father and to Marilyn thru his mother. So there is no blood relationship at all between Monty and Marilyn. 2601:18E:C501:5FE2:7ACA:39FF:FEB2:EFCB (talk) 00:27, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Denied Admission to Medical School

In the main article, there is a claim that Hall was denied admission to medical school due to secret quotas promoting Mormon students. The citation used [7] is a Canadian Press article written soon after Hall's death, and posted on the CBC website. The CBC article makes no mention of Mormon students. It actually says, "At the time, there was a secret quota system in place designed to severely restrict access to medical school for Jewish students. It ended shortly after Hall gave up on his dream". There ought to be a double citation here, or further information explaining the connection to Mormon students. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.203.36 (talk) 15:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/monty-hall-dead-1.4315396

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not cousins

Hall's wife Marilyn Plottel was not his "distant cousin"…the reference you give is her obit and it says nothing about cousins. According to Hall, he was introduced to her by a "mutual cousin" Norman Shnier, who told him he had “another cousin on the other side of family, not related to you…" Here's the reference: https://heavy.com/entertainment/2017/09/marilyn-hall-monty-wife-cause-of-death-cousin-dead-bio-lets-make-a-deal-host/ 108.20.114.62 (talk) 19:55, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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