Talk:Harlan Ellison/Archive 5

Troll tagfest

A tag on every §, with a redundant one on the whole article? 98.4.124.117 (talk) 12:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Useless tags

You know, there are two kinds of people in the world: productive people and unproductive people. All those tags requesting that somebody fix the article are completely useless. I'd like to suggest the people putting them in do a little research and improve the article themselves. Same for the comments here. Take charge, people. Don't wait for somebody else to do it. Pkeets (talk) 13:02, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Tagging is a little like spotting a hitchhiker on the highway, stopping to hang a sign around his neck saying "HEY! PICK THIS PERSON UP!" and then driving off.

Since I don't see anything on the talk page specific to the sectional tags, I don't see why they can't be removed with the same abruptness with which they were placed. Antandrus (talk) 13:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

People who don't know anything about him are coming here to learn more about him. Whining that they aren't picking up the fumbled ball and researching him themselves isn't helping. Frankly, this article really kinda sucked a couple days ago. The lede basically just said that he wrote a lot of SF and cited two books he edited, and the "personal life" section literally started with his third wife! I've worked on both of those problems. There's a lot more to improve. Maybe stop commenting on the commenting and get to work yourself? -Jason A. Quest (talk) 16:11, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

I removed the "Rewrite section" tags. No reasons were given, and the template itself only references WP:MoS. Yes, the article isn't perfect, but the issues it has aren't WP:MoS issues. Moscow Mule (talk) 20:33, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Criticism

Not criticism OF him, criticism BY him. i believe his best work was his criticism, but its given short shrift in this article. im having trouble finding solid references describing his criticism and how good it was. if anyone can find a source for this, i would appreciate it. his acerbic wit in his nonfiction work pretty much saved his ass, considering how problematic he was.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 15:51, 29 June 2018 (UTC)(Mercurywoodrose)

Date of Death

Most sources say he died on June 28, 2018. The L.A. Times mistakenly say he died the night before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.189.88 (talk) 17:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

His own web page says 28 Jun, as does the original Twitter notice from Christine Valada. Moscow Mule (talk) 18:50, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

It might be relevant that un-verified Twitter accounts are never WP:RS, so information from that source would be inadmissible; perhaps "Vulture" is a RS and, in turn, did better fact-checking on the account owner and assertions, but the fact remains that we can't keep restoring a bare link to the Tweet in the article. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 03:23, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Disputed statement

The following statement appears regarding City on the Edge of Forever: "Ellison also novelized the story at that time, for the Star Trek Fotonovel series." This is incorrect; it's possible the person who added it is not familiar with the (somewhat hard to find) book series which consisted of images from the episode with captions taken verbatim from the episode. It was not a novelization in any way shape or form, and was in fact simply a reproduction of the TV episode, which Ellison took issue with. I recommend this statement be deleted unless there's a source that says Ellison was involved in the actual production of the Fotonovel which, given his objections to the changes to his script and the fact his original script had only just been published, makes no sense. 136.159.160.8 (talk) 22:11, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I agree that it's dubious and should be removed. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 01:30, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

I edited it to clarify it was in 1977 and was the aired version of the script and was not done by Ellison, though a brief interview with him is included in the Fotonovel. Sir Rhosis (talk) 22:23, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

It's still misleading: it's an abridged photo comic, not a novelization (which usually involves expanding on a photoplay). -Jason A. Quest (talk) 00:55, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

No mention of his sister?

His documentary says he stopped speaking to his sister after his mother's funeral, and his IMDb page mentions an older sister named Beverly. His FindAGrave page shows the graves of his parents and sister along with his own. She died in 2010. How is she not at all mentioned in this article, even as a quick mention in his early life? https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/190968329/beverly-c-rabnick

I've since added that information, but I'm not crazy about how I phrased it if anyone can do a better job.