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Neo-Keynesian???

In line with the previous comment about his neoliberal credentials: what makes him a neo-Keynesian? Just because he says so? Or calling for aid and debt cancellation? These surely do not. Based on his work, he is definitely a NEOLIBERAL economist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PogiZoli (talk • contribs) 23:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any justification for that label. He _is_ the world's most famous neo-liberal.Haberstr (talk) 05:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Neo-Keynesians are essentially a subgroup of "Neoliberal" economists.VolunteerMarek 16:31, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Neoliberal Bolivia Cocaine promoter

Yet another shameless neoliberal economist being praise and claiming credit that are irrelevant. According to this paper How the economy of Bolivia became addicted to cocaine , Sachs therapy destroy the local industrial and force many into growing cocaine. And thanks to the USA appetite on drug and "war on drugs" that drive up cocaine price, the huge illegal trade (ironically) rescue Bolivia economy. Perhaps, this is a retribution to USA ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.201.6.97 (talk) 17:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Criticisms NPOV

Whole article is bullshit.This man is criminal genocidal lunatic.He fucked up post cold war chances for east-west relationship.Has death of millions on his hands with transition from grow to poverty to war.His "mistakes" will be seen in this light in next 50 years.

At minimum the section should be rewritten to focus on Sachs. If there are more sources, find and incorporate them properly. Unverified info should be removed until then. Right now the section is basically three paragraphs written around three main sources. As long as all the paragraphs are written and sourced so poorly, it's just going to invite more and worse. --Ronz (talk) 16:01, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that this section is not neutral. It add's a much needed counterbalance to the rest of the article, which sings Jeffrey Sachs' praises. If anything, the rest of the article should be rewritten to take a more nuanced viwe of Sachs' 'achievements'. For example, talking of all Sachs' work advising in Russia - without reference to the harm that this caused (hyperinflation, unemployment, inequality - chaos and crime in the 90s) makes this read almost like an advertisement. Iamsorandom (talk) 19:37, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We dont "counterbalance" in articles, especially not WP:BLPs. We do need better sources, and section rewrites to better follow those sources. --Ronz (talk) 20:47, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To quote from the BLP policy: "Tone

BLPs should be written responsibly, cautiously, and in a dispassionate tone, avoiding both understatement and overstatement. Articles should document in a non-partisan manner what reliable secondary sources have published about the subjects, and in some circumstances what the subjects have published about themselves. BLPs should not have trivia sections. Balance Further information: Wikipedia:COATRACK

Criticism and praise should be included if they can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone. Do not give disproportionate space to particular viewpoints; the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all. Care must be taken with article structure to ensure the overall presentation and section headings are broadly neutral. Beware of claims that rely on guilt by association, and biased or malicious content.

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Looks to me fairly clear from that, that balance is required. It seems to me that the right way forwards here would be to integrate the 'criticisms' section into the rest of the article; meaning that the all sections would maintain neutrality, while currently one part reads as (in my view excessive) praise while another section is purely criticism. Iamsorandom (talk) 13:55, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, we need better sources and rewrites based upon them. --Ronz (talk) 15:37, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This book review from the Left Business Observer might be useful. http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Sachs.html --Nbauman (talk) 13:36, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Good find! --Ronz (talk) 16:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the Criticism section needs to be rewritten with better sourcing and an impartial tone. Loaded terms such as "reproach" should be avoided. The Criticism section is unnecessarily lengthy and moves the article away from NPOV by lending undue weight to the criticisms of a handful of individuals. The paragraph regarding shock therapy appears blame Sachs for negative outcomes of changes in the Soviet economy. Moreover, the article does not provide enough background information on his critics. For example, Nancy Holmstrom and Richard Smith are socialists who might not have objective criticisms (See Smith's Why Capitalism is Killing the Planet). Ajax F¡oretalk 23:07, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This article's external links do not comply with WP:EL and have been tagged since 2009. The official website does comply with WP:EL so I have left that in place. Some of the other links may be useful as sources for information in the article so I have moved them here temporarily so people can check to see if they are useful. Please remove each link from the list as it is checked. SilkTork ✔Tea time 22:55, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from article for discussion - poverty reduction

Seems like the topic is worth expanding upon, but not like this. From the presentation, it looks like it was copied from somewhere else. Maybe tone-down the mention of the book, put it in the context of this article, give it a better historical context, and perhaps find some more recent references? --Ronz (talk) 20:09, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Poverty Alleviation

In his book "The End of Poverty",[1] a prominent economist named Jeffrey Sachs laid out a plan to eradicate global poverty by the year 2025. Following his recommendations, international organizations such as the Global Solidarity Network are working to help eradicate poverty worldwide with intervention in the areas of housing, food, education, basic health, agricultural inputs, safe drinking water, transportation and communications.

Jeffrey Sachs argues that low-paying jobs are stepping stones in Singapore, Hong Kong and African countries, providing a way out of abject poverty. Even low-wage plants in the garment industry, provided laws protecting child and slave labor are enforced, are an "essential first step toward modern prosperity in developing countries." [2]

  1. ^ The End of Poverty by JEFFREY D. SACHS for time.com
  2. ^ Myerson, Allen R. (22 June 1997). "In Principle, a Case For More '[[Sweatshops]]'". New York Times. {{cite news}}: URL–wikilink conflict (help)

School/tradition

I am going to restore "Keynesian economics." See my comment here. --Omnipaedista (talk) 03:02, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be best to repeat and elaborate here on your comments there. --Ronz (talk) 15:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
An editor remarked that Sachs does not seem to identify with 'New Keynesian': "Professor Krugman and Crude Keynesianism". This piece written by Sachs attacks Krugman's variety of Keynesianism ('New Keynesianism'); Sachs does not attack Keynesianism in general. I have to note the existence of this article: "Keynesian Economist, Jeffrey Sachs Says President Obama’s Stimulus has Failed". --Omnipaedista (talk) 16:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you.
A source that actually distinguishes Keynesian from New Keynesian is what we need to avoid WP:OR. --Ronz (talk) 16:41, 25 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No objection. That is why I did not include any references to New Keynesianism in the article. I only included what the source says. [1] --Omnipaedista (talk) 07:59, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See also to Gro Harlem Brundtland?

I clicked this out of curiosity. The only connection to Sachs in the article is

Brundtland adopted a far-reaching approach to public health, establishing a Commission on Macroeconomics and Health, chaired by Jeffrey Sachs, and addressing violence as a major public health issue.

Am I missing something? If not, this See also should be deleted.--Pete Tillman (talk) 21:21, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Point of view and lionization

Wow. This article reads as if it was written or edited or at least influenced by some professional public relations person. There is no mention of the severe criticisms, and his defense, of his work in Russia. I don't have time to edit it right now, but articles in the NYT and New Yorker, and books by journalists and others, have been highly critical of his work in Russian and of those working with him. This needs attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.201.238 (talk) 07:03, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Building the New American Economy

I redirected Building the New American Economy (the title of Sachs' 2017 book) to this article, but feel free to expand the redirect if the book is notable enough for a standalone article. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:25, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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COI Edit Request to add Citations

Hello. I am being paid (COI) by Jeffrey Sachs to improve his article. Up until now, he has had no input at all on his page, and some of it is out of date, some of it is a bit 'slapdash-edly' put together, and some content has no sources. Our overall goal is to improve this page within the rules and criteria of Wikipedia by cleaning it up, adding reliable sources, organizing it in a better fashion, and updating old information. It will be a fairly long, ongoing project. As always, I appreciate any feedback during this process. My first request is to add citations to support content in the first introductory paragraph. The reason for the request is this content currently has no supporting citations.

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Jeffrey David Sachs (/sæks/; born November 5, 1954) is an American economist, academic, public policy analyst and former director of The Earth Institute at Columbia University, where he holds the title of University Professor. He is known as one of the world's leading experts on sustainable development, economic development, and the fight against poverty. Jeffrey David Sachs (/sæks/; born November 5, 1954) is an American economist, academic, public policy analyst and former director of The Earth Institute at Columbia University, where he holds the title of University Professor. He is known as one of the world's leading experts on sustainable development, economic development, and the fight against poverty.

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LeepKendall (talk) 19:03, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

LeepKendall - These citations prove his credentials with Columbia University but not for the latter half of the paragraph. So I've placed the citations accordingly. Westminster88 (talk) 04:53, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you User:Westminster88. Here are two sources you can use for the last sentence. If you could add those for me, I would greatly appreciate it! Thank you.

[3] [4]

LeepKendall (talk) 17:52, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

COI Edit Request to Intro Section

Hello:

I would like to request the following correction to Dr. Sachs' title with the Sustainable Development Solutions Network. The reason for the request is that currently his title is incorrect. I realize the source I am providing is a primary source, however, strangely, all of the third party sources also show his title incorrectly. He is the president and not the director of the organization. I'm also adding formatting to link to the article on the Center.

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Sachs is Director of the Center for Sustainable Development at Columbia University and Director of the UN Sustainable Development Solutions Network. Sachs is Director of the Center for Sustainable Development at Columbia University and President of the UN Sustainable Development Solutions Network.[5]

Thank you! LeepKendall (talk) 16:15, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I see that the line for requests is at 104, and given this a minor edit, I'm going to make the change myself. I welcome any feedback. Again, this is the only source that correctly shows Dr. Sachs' title at the Center for Sustainable Development. We will strive to find third-party verified sources for other content. Thank you. LeepKendall (talk) 17:45, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

COI Request to Remove Content that is Contentious and Poorly Sourced

Hello: Jeffrey Sachs is requesting that the following content from the Arnhold Institute for Global Health section be removed from his article: “Sachs was given a part-time role equivalent to a full-time position at "$1 million per year" for the fellowship and appointed to the Executive Board. In a federal lawsuit filed in April 2019 against the Arnhold Institute and Mount Sinai for sex and age discrimination and especially against the Director of the Institute, Dr. Prabhjot Singh, it is reported that Sachs helped Singh get the job and also that Singh wrote " large parts of Sachs’ books." It is also reported that Sachs's fellowship at the Institute was thought to be "payback" for his helping Singh get the position at the Institute.[18] “ Though I realize this is not a valid reason for deletion, Mr. Sachs asked me to write here that the statements are untrue.

The reasons for this request are: 1. The court document citation is not a reliable, third-party source. Sachs is not named in the suit. There is merely a section about what others said about his fellowship, or what Mr. Singh said about book writing. 2. After an extensive search, there are no verifiable media sources that support anything claimed in this content. The one article I found in Vice Magazine repeats allegations from the lawsuit regarding the $1M, book writing. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxqb74/celebrated-rwanda-based-nonprofit-faces-harrowing-misconduct-accusations 3. The $1M dollar reference and the content about Singh helping Sachs write part of his books are both in quotes, seeming to indicate it is merely what someone said and not based in fact or reliably supported. 4. Lastly, he feels it fits into the criteria of this Wikipedia statement; “Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page.” For all these reasons, we respectfully request that this content be removed from the article. Thank you! LeepKendall (talk) 00:46, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello User:DonSpencer1 and User:Ibadibam: I was wondering if I might ask your assistance in reviewing this request I made 10 days ago. All is explained here. Thank you so much for your time. LeepKendall (talk) 17:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Taking it point by point:
  1. You are correct that, as a primary source, the court document itself is not appropriate as the main source to support this or any other information.
  2. The Vice article appears to be a reliable source and contains information that in my judgement is relevant to the article here.
  3. In addition to being unattributed, those quotations are too short to be meaningful. I suggest they be rewritten to paraphrase from the Vice source.
  4. If you have reached in good faith a conclusion that this is a BLP violation, you should immediately take it to the BLP noticeboard so that an administrator can take appropriate action. An edit request is not a sufficiently expedient process to address serious content issues.
For the moment I will replace the court document with the Vice article in the reference, remove the unattributed quotations, and fix an existing issue with two sources in the same footnote, then wait for your decision as to taking it to the noticeboard. Ibadibam (talk) 19:46, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's also worth pinging Cadbury333, who originally added this information to the article. Ibadibam (talk) 20:01, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you User:Ibadibam for addressing my request and for thinking to include User:Cadbury333. The edit you made is definitely an improvement. I still have a few questions. 1. Vice Media is categorized as marginally reliable on the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, and it is the only 3rd party source that can be found. 2. If it is deemed this should stay in the article, I'm wondering if it can be worded in such a way so it doesn't infer that Jeffrey is a defendant in the lawsuit. In fact, this allegation came out in the due diligence for the complaint which is about sexual harassment.
I realize that unflattering things can't, and should not be removed from an article if they can be reliably supported. It just doesn't seem that this one meets the criteria. Except for being mentioned in the Vice article, it's hearsay. This is the only content in his article the client feels this way about. Also, one correction, the suit is against Mt. Sinai, not Arnhold.
If it is decided it should be part of his article, can we word it something more like this: In 2016, Sachs was appointed to a two-year fellowship at the Arnhold Institute at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai at Mount Sinai Health System.[19] A 2019 lawsuit filed against Prabhjot Singh and Mt. Sinai Health System, Inc., alleged that Singh procured Sachs' fellowship for $1,000,000 per year, which Sachs denies.[20]
Thank you again for having this discussion with me. LeepKendall (talk) 22:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have clarified the identities defendants, since the way I first phrased it was not accurate. The lack of a consensus about Vice means that each citation may be considered on a case-by-case basis. If you would like this citation put to scrutiny, you may submit it at the reliable sources noticeboard, though because of the sensitivity of this content I still recommend the BLP noticeboard as your first stop. Ibadibam (talk) 03:02, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for including me in this discussion User:LeepKendall User:Ibadibam I certainly have no objection to the change you made to the entry...and I made a slight edit myself, which I hope you will not object to.
  1. ^ Jacobson, Lindsey (August 24, 2020). "Economists offer bleak view of President Trump's first term, citing deglobalization trends and 'protectionism'". CNBC. Retrieved September 8, 2020.
  2. ^ Yueng, Karen (November 28, 2019). "China's yuan is 10 years from ending US dollar hegemony, says economist Jeffrey Sachs". South China Morning Post. Retrieved September 14, 2020.
  3. ^ Fontevecchia, Jorge (June 27, 2020). "Jeffrey Sachs: 'This is not a game for BlackRock to get an extra percentage point – that's absurd'". Buenos Aires Times. Retrieved September 14, 2020.
  4. ^ Ryan, Patrick (February 10, 2019). "'Greedy' companies profit from digital addiction despite health impact, summit hears". The National. Retrieved September 15, 2020.
  5. ^ "SDSN Association Board of Directors". Sustainable Development Solutions Network. September 16, 2020. Retrieved September 16, 2020.
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