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1964 non renewal copyright[edit]

Hi, I'm doing some research on Wikipedia usage of PD material due to copyright license non-renewals. You mention on [[1]] that its quite common to use images under this copyright non-renewal policy. Could you give me a sense of what magazine / source do you see this being used for the most. Do you have examples of magazines from which material has been sourced in Wikipedia under this rule? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dalek2point3 (talkcontribs) 17:35, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/The Trinity nuclear test, 1945[edit]

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Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, Image:Trinity explosion2.jpeg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. MER-C 09:31, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Cheers. And well done yourself on finding that bigger version and getting it up there. It did amazingly well. --jjron (talk) 09:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Historic images[edit]

Thanks for uploading some interesting historic images! If you haven't already, I suggest you check out Wikimedia Commons. For free licensed images (such as old public domain/US government images, etc) you can upload them directly there. Why? They will then be availible not only here on the English language Wikipedia, but also for Wikipedias in other languages, other Wikimedia projects, etc-- and putting them into any article here on the English language Wikipedia is still just as easy; do exactly the same as if it was uploaded here. Commons also has categories and galleries, allowing useful images to be found in multiple ways. Check it out, and let me know if I can be of help. Cheers, -- Infrogmation (talk) 06:22, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

  • I agree! It saves a lot of effort having to reload them! Philly jawn (talk) 16:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, guys. I'm now uploading all new PD images to Commons -- Pete Tillman (talk) 20:26, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Trinity and Brixner[edit]

I just called up his daughter and asked her for information. I did that for about a dozen people so far. Its a lot easier than combing though archives to get a day and place of birth. Once you have the info its easier to confirm with a Google search, no one has refused to talk yet. I can't even get my own family members to cooperate on family history, so its nice when others do it. Have you ever cold called someone? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 17:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

TUSC token 64587bbede7c9e72dad9a261e031f445[edit]

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!

Planchas de Plata (etc)[edit]

Thanks for your additions to the mining articles. I have never been to Planchas de Plata myself. A friend and I made a half-hearted stab at it years ago, but we could not find our way over the dirt roads from Nogales. It would be fun to see it. Plazak (talk) 21:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

POTD notification[edit]

Hi Pete,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture Image:Trinity explosion2.jpeg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on November 26, 2008. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2008-11-26. howcheng {chat} 06:16, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Great image uploading[edit]

For Good Works on Uploading Images
Presented by SilkTork

Thanks for putting the new image in George Harrison. I had a look at what else you have done, and see that you have been responsible for tracking down and uploading some fine images. I would second the comment above that many of the images you upload would be useful at Commons, and that it would be helpful to upload new images there, and to seriously consider moving some of your existing 'pedia images over there. Though on Commons the images must be free use - usable by everyone, so more care needs to be exercised on what is allowable. Anyway - keep up the good work!

I've given you a Wiki award which you may display on your user page! SilkTork *YES! 14:22, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 14:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I've given you rollback. Remember only to use it for blatant vandalism, and revert manually when the edit is in good faith. You can test it out here. I also suggest you warn vandals with vandal warning templates. If you have any questions, please ask. Cheers, bibliomaniac15 02:20, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Art images[edit]

Wow, kudos to you for all the images added! I confess that I haven't really figured out WikiCommons - it's not as user-friendly as Wikipedia proper. I know low-rez images of art can be used as non-free fair use images, but haven't quite figured out the rules, so I stick to photos I've taken of public art or art in museums that allow photography. Michael Kabotie's passing is just shocking, since he was so active beforehand. Now that I think about it, there's a John Hoover sculpture that I have access too. Have a good evening! -Uyvsdi (talk) 07:31, 18 November 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Regarding the Annie Antone image, as long as the image is low-rez (i.e. no one could replicate her design based on a photograph), I believe it would be regarded as your photograph of a 3-D art form. I'd suggest uploading the file at Wikimedia Commons. The photograph would be "entirely your own work." For permission you could put it into public domain by typing in: "{ { pd-self } }" (without the spaces). For anything before 1923, I enter "{ { pd-old } }" (also without the spaces) for the permission. Hope this helps! The Heard would be a good spot to photo more artists. Cheers, Uyvsdi (talk) 17:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi
Thanks for the tips. Too bad I'm such a rotten photographer. Usually, if I don't forget the camera entirely, the batteries have gone dead.
Lo-res, eh? Well, I could use the phone-cam! Too bad I have absolutely no clue as to how to export fotos from the phone....
Hmm. Actually, this computer has a webcam, which actually is (sort of) easy to use. I could try that for in-house art fotos. Hmm2 --Pete Tillman (talk) 18:01, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

The Curator Barnstar[edit]

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Thanks for locating all these historical images and writing fair use rationale for them as well! Uyvsdi (talk) 22:01, 8 February 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Gadsden hotel[edit]

Hi Mr. Tillman, This is Robin Brekhus, The manager of the Gadsden for 22 years and I'm in a social networking class and checked out the Hotel on Wikipedia,(I didn't even know we were on there!), and I can't thank you enough for adding the photos and links to the Gadsden! It is wonderful. Once again, THANKS! If you're ever back in Douglas, stop in and I'll buy you a drink! Robin Brekhus

Thanks for the star[edit]

And all the great contributions I see you have made. :) Unomi (talk) 05:56, 24 March 2010 (UTC)


The Thank You Barnstar
Thanks for being the first person to award The Geology Barnstar. It's the first barnstar I've made, and I was nervous about it. Gyrobo (talk) 01:25, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

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Tillmann's it[edit]

As u r the only one of the Wikiprojekt Geology with a mineral name (Tillmannsite (Ag3Hg)(V,As)O4), I thought u might want to create the article :D cheers --Chris.urs-o (talk) 04:10, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! New one to me... Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 15:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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Been following your work on the more contentious Wikipedia pages concerning climate change. Hope to run into you as I get more active! Amazed how you manage to seem to keep your cool in some of those discussions...

Shadowy Sorcerer (talk) 07:52, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! We once had a kitten much like this one.

As for CC, you do need a cool head -- and thick skin -- to get involved. And I wasn't so good at keeping my cool early on. If you do get involved, sit on any "hot" reply or post overnight! Good luck, Pete Tillman (talk) 20:35, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

It was missing any way to verify the license, but (I think) Calliopejen took care of it. Kelly hi! 04:19, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello, lists of mines[edit]

I'm trying to get people who are willing to help me out with a pet project I've begun but realised that it will be extremely hard for me to even make a small dent in. First of all, I got your name from the list of active members on the wikiproject for mining articles. Please disregard this, if you're not interested.

So, here's what I'm trying to do and what you could do to help me. I noticed that there were very few articles that list mines. I've tried (to the best of my abilities) to create a sub-page that lists all of the probable articles for lists of mines that I could think of, you can review this here.

Basically, I need help. Suggestions on different lists to add, I need lists created, if the lede I've been using should be changed, I'd like community consensus on the standard layout (I've been going with listing articles like List of gold mines by country and List of mines in the United States by output. If someone would like to make templates for these articles.

Please, don't feel obligated. I came to you, and others like you because of your implied interest in mining articles. List articles are not exactly in everyone's taste. If you are completely uninterested, but think you might know someone who might be, please let them know about it. I could use all the help I can get.

Oh, and if you happen to create any new articles on mines, please add them to any of my recently created lists. Sorry for this being so wordy, have a good day and happy editing! Ncboy2010 (talk) 22:29, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Art of the American Southwest[edit]

Hey Pete, have you checked out this article? This seems to fall within your field of expertise, so perhaps you might look it over? Best, -Uyvsdi (talk) 20:55, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

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science journalism rewrite[edit]

Hi Pete,

Thanks for offering to help with the rewrite of this section.

I don't have an email address for you, so this is the only way I could see to communicate.

I've set up a working template for the "science journalism" rewrite. You can see it here.

Once it's all done, we can move it over to the main entry page.


DLC (talk) 22:28, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Sublette, Colorado[edit]

Thanks for your interest in the Sublette, Colorado article. Since the place is listed in GNIS, I added data from GNIS to the article. See U.S. Geological Survey Geographic Names Information System: Sublette, Colorado GNIS is usually the best way to confirm data on a community or other geographic feature in the United States. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 14:43, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for checking! --Pete Tillman (talk) 15:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


Thanks Pete for your support.

Way back I concluded that we weren't going to get anything but a picture of Climate Science with bias in all the details on every page, here at WP. I concluded that WP:NOR, essential as it is for most encyclopedic issues, works unfairly against material at the "fringe" as the truth in Climate Science has now become, thanks to the 1990s politicization of the science. Now I also realize that the equally important WP:N discriminates unfairly against those of the "old guard" in climate science who, having learned proper scientific method, saw the corruption the IPCC brought, and spoke out because their consciences directed them to. For what happens to such as Jaworowski? Their energy which had previously been directed to advances at the forefront of their field in which they were top, is sidetracked and no longer available for quite so much orthodox work. Then their outspoken pieces earn them adverse reputation where previously they had been lauded. Apostasy is the most unforgiveable of all crimes, so they have to spend even more energy in defending themselves from attacks and misrepresentations springing up on all sides. And if that is not enough, in Climate Science they are suddenly grossly outnumbered by the incoming wave of New Climateers, who have all been accepted on the condition of subscribing to AGW or CAGW.

Thus, I have to conclude that for Climate Science, WP:N cannot, simply cannot work as it should. But things are even worse. The existence of this unfairness not being recognized generally, means that a vicious circle is reinforced. Certain "old school" experts with integrity like Jaworowski fail the "notability" sham test. So they pass into oblivion here, or thorough condemnation where, especially if they are dead, they cannot defend themselves. People read Wikipedia and although it's not meant to be the last word in scientific accuracy, people take it on that way anyway. What Connolley et al did years ago has influenced the way other editors here look at climate science, even when those editors believe they are being neutral and fair.

WP:NOR and WP:N were developed with the best of intentions. But the path to Hell is paved with such. I'm just using Athene's shield - mere Awareness - to look at this Medusa. IMHO. Lucy Skywalker (talk) 23:27, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Tim Ball bio[edit]

Hi Pete

Thanks for your nice note on the talk page of my sandbox bio of Tim Ball. I've only just seen it. I cannot cope with the newspeak required here in the Climate Science area, it drains my useful energy, and my recent experiences have firmly driven me back to developing Climate Wiki where I and other climate skeptics can be the gatekeepers. If you would like to help, email me there. I've uploaded Tim Ball's bio there, but I still need to install templates to make it fully functional - help would be welcome! Lucy Skywalker (talk) 10:11, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the slow reply -- I'm moving, and just got an internet hookup at the new place (El Guique, very rural NM}. I've started some notes and such for Tim Ball at User:Tillman/Tim Ball and that Talk page -- feel free to add or modify. I'll stop in at your new place later. Also see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Lucy Skywalker/Timothy Ball. Ugh.
Sorry (but not surprised) that you've had such an unpleasant experience here. Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 18:10, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

History of the atmosphere[edit]

Hi, I've suggested to User talk:Kaitlynob that they contact you regarding their earlier History of the atmosphere article submission which is now in your user space. Cheers, Vsmith (talk) 00:57, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! --Pete Tillman (talk) 05:53, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

James M. Hyde[edit]

Thanks for looking at the above article. What improvements do you think should be made? (talk) 22:23, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Bigger thumbs in gallery (save in active)[edit]

Good morning Tillman. You recently edited Sikhote-Alin meteorite to increase the size of the images in its gallery. Scanning the first page of your recent contributions it seems you do this quite often. I personally find it unhelpful and Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Images#How_to_place_an_image suggests one shouldn't, the better approach if one prefers larger thumbs being to set an appropriate default size in user preferences. So... just wondering what your rational is? -Arb. (talk) 13:02, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, as you probably know, galleries sometimes become contentious for various reasons.
However, the image size issue is due to an (apparently) unfixable software bug, that prevents the <:gallery> template from scaling -- it's fixed at 100px, which I and others find too small for most uses in articles. The normal image-size default is 180-220px, so I usually set it around there.
There's an alternative gallery template that does scale: see Template:gallery & Template:Image gallery . In practice, though , these see little use.
Thanks for your interest, HTH. I'm happy if you want to try something else at the meteorite page. I'll try to remember to save a copy of this note, as this is a topic that comes up now & then. Best for 2013, Pete Tillman (talk) 16:21, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Sounds like there's history. Would you point me at the discussion and at the reference for the "unfixable bug". Thanks; a quick search fails to find either. -Arb. (talk) 20:51, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
OK, here's a couple of previous discussions:
What I can't find is the original technical discussion with someone else who'd looked into the software problem. But you can readily confirm the problem, by changing your preferences on a test gallery. Size will stay at 100 px -- <:gallery> doesn't scale. Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 05:51, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Interesting links. I too have ageing eyes which I deal with by running my browser (Chrome) at 150% zoom. Without your changes galleries are fine; four or more images easily fit across the screen. With your changes there's room for only two.
What I'm doing is a fairly standard accessibility approach for the visually impaired; your changes are breaking it. You do a lot of good work. This is not one of your better ideas. Please drop it. If it's really a big deal for you then focus your efforts on getting the "bug" fixed (have you reported it?); I'd support you on that. -Arb. (talk) 14:24, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I've reported the bug at least twice -- too bad I can't find that correspondence. It seemed hopeless to fix. I tried the alternate templates I mentioned above, but they have drawbacks too.
Please change the meteorite article to your taste -- though hopefully not back to 100px squinters! I don't think your Zoom browser idea will catch on -- unless the user also prefers Large Type books <G> And I don't really think it's realistic to ask others to format articles for that technique. Best for 2013, Pete Tillman (talk) 18:20, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

prospecting article[edit]

thanks, Tillman, for the suggestion to remove my submission about prospecting licences. It is now found under the "Economy of Ontario" wiki.

Cheers! (talk) 23:00, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Franklin Large Igneous Province[edit]

Thanks for the new image. I didn't think I would ever find one for this significant geological feature. There is also this but I'm not sure if it's a Coronation sill. I might get around to the Franklin Large Igneous Province article sometime for a rewrite/expansion. Volcanoguy 22:11, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. I dropped a note of thanks to Mike Beauregard, the photographer and a Nunavut geologist, asking him to take a look at the article, as my knowledge of high-arctic geology is near-nil. Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 00:33, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
It would be nice to get an image of the Natkusiak flood basalts on Victoria Island. Volcanoguy 03:13, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Environment/Climate change task force article for review[edit]

Hi Tillman, I found your name on the list of participants at WikiProject Environment/Climate Change task force and was wondering if you had a few minutes to look at a draft I've prepared for an article that falls under the scope of this task force: The Climate Reality Project

I've rewritten this article on behalf of The Climate Reality Project and for that reason will avoid all direct edits to the article. I have instead placed my revised draft in my user space for editors to review.

I left a more detailed note on the Talk page that explains several issues with the current version I have aimed to address. I've also proposed merging in the two articles on the organizations that joined to form The Climate Reality Project.

I hope reaching out to you on your Talk page is OK. I've tried posting at several WikiProjects and with an editor who was previously involved in editing the page, but haven't had much success yet. If you know of someone who might be interested in reviewing this, or a WikiProject I might have overlooked, please let me know. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 22:47, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

What picture is appropriate for the "Afghan" article?[edit]

I noticed that on 19 November 2012‎ you added the current picture to the Afghan article. Please feel free to weigh in on the discussion at Afghan#What picture is appropriate?. --Bejnar (talk) 20:27, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

External images[edit]

You can't make external images appear by just adding a link, and in any case it would in most cases by copyvio. Dougweller (talk) 11:19, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean: Template External Media is intended to link to external images, especially when there isn't a free image available -- and a link isn't a copyvio. Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 16:32, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Actually "Copyright infringing material should also not be linked to." = see WP:COPYVIO and WP:ELNEVER. I've had to revert you until you can show that it is copyright free. There's probably a reason why we don't have an image on Commons. The other issue is that I don't know how we can add an image of a reconstruction that isn't pov. See for instance [2] and this image[3]. Sorry Pete. The skull would be ok if we could find one. Dougweller (talk) 06:33, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Tight oil - I'll reverse my edit[edit]

Pete - History proves that projecting oil production years in the future is such a chancy exercise that it is almost guaranteed to be inaccurate. It should be taken for what it is: an educated best guess. That being the case, I doubt that postponing incorporation into Wikipedia of conclusions of a publicly available document will add much to the readers' knowledge. But you have a valid point, and I'll reverse my edit pending the final, so that we can include all the assumptions and caveats. I have no strong feelings one way or the other. Cheers. Plazak (talk) 19:05, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. We don't have deadlines, after all. Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 21:02, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Little Finland[edit]

The important guideline is WP:REDNOT. See also's as I stated in my edit should not be red. If you think that those features deserve articles, it would be acceptable to include red links in the running text for a notable article that has not yet been written. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:12, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas![edit]

Afvcke Nettvcakorakko!

-Uyvsdi (talk) 15:30, 25 December 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Something completely different.[edit]

Those are some amazing photos! Smm201`0 (talk) 22:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Glad you like them. It's mostly what I do here -- the most fun, anyway. The contentious stuff is a lot like work.... Ok, it is work. Best for 2014, Pete Tillman (talk) 02:16, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Photograph on Schoepite-Curite-Uraninite[edit]

Many thanks for your nice photograph on Schoepite-Curite-Uraninite-214949. Sorry for not having answered earlier due to lack of time. Cheers, Shinkolobwe (talk) 16:21, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Deming, New Mexico [edit]


An article that you have been involved in editing, Deming, New Mexico , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Joe (talk) 23:34, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Pulaski Skyway Photos[edit]

Thank you so very much for making all of those photos available on the Pulaski Skyway Talk page. They are quite impressive for both the Skyway and the Manhattan skyline. The one photo that you had uploaded and inserted on that Talk page is now included in the article.

I would appreciate if you could upload your other recommended photo, [4], and post it on that Talk page so I can insert in the Skyway article. Thanks. Wondering55 (talk) 15:01, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Done:,_New_Jersey.jpg Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much. I have added that beautiful picture to the Pulaski Skyway article. Wondering55 (talk) 23:51, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Hydraulic fracturing[edit]

Hi, Tillman. I tried to organize Hydraulic fracturing and related articles in more logical way to avoid overlappings and POVFORK. It mainly means that I tried to summarize the Environmental section of Hydraulic fracturing while more specific information was moved to Environmental impact of hydraulic fracturing and Environmental impact of hydraulic fracturing in the United States. I would like to ask you to take a look of the summarized section and make more summarizing, if necessary, or restored information which you think should be in this umbrella article. However, even more important to make a cleanup of Environmental impact of hydraulic fracturing and Environmental impact of hydraulic fracturing in the United States. They are loaded with information, but it needs extensive cleanup and copyediting (and checking sources to discover potential original research) to make them decent articles. There are still some overlappings between these two articles. I hope you could help with this. Beagel (talk) 18:47, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I'm swamped at the moment, but it's on my to-do list. Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 15:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Lennart Bengtsson[edit]

A copuple of citations that you may find useful:

--Guy Macon (talk) 07:56, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

File:Pan-Pacific 1956.jpg, checking for copyright not renewed (save)[edit]

Thanks for checking the records for this one.

I went to and found a notice that records prior to 1978 are only available in their physical card catalog. So, how did you search this 1956 copyright? TIA, Pete Tillman (talk) 00:38, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

The renewal should be made approximately 28 years after publication. 1956+28 = 1984, which is after 1978, so the online catalogue is the place where to search. For older pictures, you need to use the physical card catalogue or the printed annual books. The printed annual books have been scanned and are available here. When checking the printed books, remember to check several years as the renewal sometimes doesn't appear in the book for the 28th year but in the book for the 27th year (and possibly also the book for the 29th year – I'm not sure exactly how many years you need to check). For renewals around 1978, you may need to consult both the online catalogue and the printed books to cover all years. --Stefan2 (talk) 00:51, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! --Pete Tillman (talk) 13:27, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Judith Curry[edit]

Hi, I've compiled what I think is a reasonable summary of Curry's views at Talk:List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming##Judith_Curry_5. As the person who raised it in the first place I thought you might wish to contribute to the debate. --Merlinme (talk) 18:25, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Sar-i Sang[edit]

Could you please explain the copyright status of text content copied from Flicker pages. I've removed your recent addition to Sar-i Sang as it was basically a copy/paste of text from James St. John's lapis lazuli Flicker page. I don't know how Flicker views copyright stuff, but direct copy/paste seems problematic. Additionally, it seems Flicker pages would fail as WP:RS's. Has St. John written the mine stuff in some other published form? Vsmith (talk) 00:25, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Vsmith: SFAIK the caption text of Flickr posts is covered by the same license as the photo: CC-A in this case. But it wouldn't hurt to ask the author, so I will.
I've put up a lot of St. John's photos, and corresponded with him about some. Basically these are his photos and notes for the courses he teaches at OSU. He's certainly knowledgeable: OSU home page; also see his CV (scroll down). His account of the Sar-e-Sang lapis mines matches what I've read over the years -- I'm something of a lapis fan myself, and my wife is a huge lapis-jewelery fan.... So, a formal ref would be better, but life is short, and this was at hand. I partic. liked his closing quote of the Brit Lieutenant's warning! Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 19:02, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Here's the reply from St. John, in an email dated today, 09/01/14:
All of my write-ups are my words, synthesized from the literature, or in the case of personally-collected specimens, my observations and experience.
I do considerable "label research" and it's not feasible for me to keep track of every reference from which I get info. There are exceptions - I cite literature at the bottom of some of my write-ups.
In terms of the lapis write-up, that was a very early posting to the 1st version of my geology website. I have little to no memory about the specific pieces of literature from which info. came.
My write-ups are intended to be educational - I want them to be used by anyone, anywhere, for any reason. I'll put something to this effect on my profile page.
So, we're good re the license, and I think he's a RS. Thoughts? --Pete Tillman (talk) 02:20, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. I would consider St. John to be a reliable source, however kinda doubt that a post on Flicker would get past a WP:RS discussion. Was hoping he had published the description/geology elsewhere. Also, a copy/paste of his words seems wrong - would need a rewrite based on his content. Vsmith (talk) 02:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Since he's licensed his writeup for reuse, why not use it? I probably edited it a bit, but don't recall. My volunteer time is limited, & I doubt I could do better than he did ;-].
Likely you're right re a WP:RS, but if someone objects, I'd just drop it. Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 04:27, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Tail gunner[edit]

To be honest, I don't think anybody to regularly edits Wikipedia is a stereotype; we're all odd in out own way. I live in England and know absolutely nobody in Seattle.

The other thing I was planning to do with the article is mention the first uses of tail gunners or rear-gunners, I'm fairly sure this was on German World War One P Class Zeppelins. Though I need to find a reliable source for that. Also it's probably necessary to do something about the article Tail Gunner, like moving it to "Tail Gunner (video game)" or something. I think having two articles distinguished only by one letter being capitolised is a bit confusing. Catsmeat (talk) 11:27, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

New climate change skeptics categories[edit]

Tillman, thank-you for your assistance writing the description of the new Category:Climate change skeptics (scientists), which split from the Category:Climate change skeptics; see discussion Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 October 20#Category:Climate change skeptics. It's good to have another editor's thoughts on something this important; I like your improvement. I see you removed a link to climate change denial; I believe that link is important; can we not work it in somehow? Also, can you please help with the description to the other new category: Category:Climate change skeptics (politicians)? Note that I am going to keep the original category and use it instead of the "other" category after all. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 16:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Update: I have gone ahead and made those changes. Prhartcom (talk) 19:20, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your notes, and for the work you're doing to clean up the contentious Climate change skeptics cat. I agree with your basic idea of splitting off the scientists, and I have no problem with splitting off politicians.
I definitely have problems with the idea of labeling climate-change skeptical scientists as deniers, as you appeared to be doing by pipelining a link to the CC denial page. I (and many others) think that calling someone a "climate change denier" is pejorative. The origin of the term is by analogy to Holocaust denial, and is IB credited to Ellen Goodman: [5]. So this is a nasty thing to call someone, and your proposal would not survive WP:BLP review, imo.
So I hope you will reconsider your apparent wish to apply this pejorative to living people, even indirectly. Best regards, Pete Tillman (talk) 20:30, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh thank-you, I honestly never considered that, and had been holding off for a few hours waiting to hear back from you before restoring that link to the category descriptions. My intention is just to be helpful to our readers, providing them links to existing high-quality articles. Of course I'm not pipelining the link, climate change denial is the actual name of the article; apparently it has no problem with the term. I don't want to remove the link to a article that could help provide a reader context, just because of one person's "imo". Curious, I went to that article's Talk page and, sure enough, there was a discussion there regarding the issue you raise. Would you like to take a look and see what you think, then reply back here? I am still reading it through. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 21:11, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! I was hoping that was what was going on.
At Talk:Climate change denial you will see there have been four attempts to delete the page; it is contentious (to say the least) but here to stay. Mostly political (sfaict) and I generally stay far, far away :-] Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 23:12, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Glück auf[edit]

Thnx for the copyedit. Serten II (talk) 19:29, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. Lots more to do.... Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 19:31, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Lots more to do is true, but you took the first step. I mentioned you at the DYK nomination of the article, see Template:Did_you_know_nominations/IPCC_consensus. Serten II (talk) 23:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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Hugo photos[edit]

Thanks for adding all the photos to the Hugo Award pages! --PresN 06:24, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the note[edit]

Thanks for your note. It's been some years since we have communicated, but I see your edits often, and I'm always glad to have someone doing good solid work on natural resource articles, especially with all the ill-informed edits some of these articles attract. Keep up the good work. Plazak (talk) 13:02, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

And thanks for the kind words! And for all of your good work for the project. Best for 2015, Pete Tillman (talk) 20:36, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

FFD note[edit]

Please see Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2015 January 2 for a deletion nomination for File:TijerasCO,church.jpg. Nyttend (talk) 02:40, 2 January 2015 (UTC)


) I have reduced some tags of 2012 and inserted an interesting study. Serten II (talk) 16
30, 6 January 2015 (UTC)


Hey, I saw the pic of Charlie Jane Anders and Annalee Newitz that you recently added to their articles (and the one on io9). They're not thrilled with how that particular photo looks, and at my suggestion they dug up a better-looking one on Flickr (properly licensed, of course). I think file:Charlie Jane Anders and Annalee Newitz 2011.jpg is a better picture as it shows them more ... together (as opposed to the other one, which could just as well be two strangers standing near each other). Also, in this one, Anders looks less... well, less gobsmacked. I hope you agree.

Thanks. DS (talk) 01:45, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Heh. Fine with me. I note the red cups remain the same... Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 03:58, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Aerial vs. satellite photos[edit]

Aerial (new)
Satellite (removed)

In an edit you made to the Palmyra Atoll article on 2014-09-25, you replaced a satellite image with an angled aerial image.

I don't want to get into an edit war or anything, but can I ask why?

The aerial photo is great and adds to the article, but it's not orthographically projected and doesn't show the content in the same manner.

Most similar articles have both, and the article didn't have many images to begin with, so I guess I'm not sure why you had a preference to remove the satellite image entirely.

I am biased as I did add the satellite image, but it was the best available from USGS/NASA archives at the time. I can understand if you felt the aerial imagery was more suited for the article box, but why remove the orthographic satellite image entirely?


Разрывные (talk) 16:31, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

I went ahead and added the satfoto back in. Also retired a nondescript airstrip foto. If you feel it's really needed, put it back. Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 21:32, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks much. The airstrip photo is also on Palmyra (Cooper) Airport so I think that's a non-issue. Разрывные (talk) 18:02, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Fracking wells in California[edit]

Since you liked me mentioning that California is unique in having no taxes on oil production, here's another interesting fact: Hydraulic fracturing has been used on wells in California since the 1950s, and last year a quarter of the wells that were drilled were fracked. The state laws do not mention hydraulic fracturing, nor are there any specific regulations governing it, despite the fact that it is a routine procedure there. In fact, the California government doesn't even count the number of wells which have been fracked, so there are no official statistics on it. Compared to Alberta, or even Texas, California's oil industry is much more loosely regulated and not taxed at all, although the California government doesn't really like to talk about it and prefers to criticize other governments instead. Yes, the California oil industry does have considerable influence with the California government, but it's all done under the table.RockyMtnGuy (talk) 05:03, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Restore images[edit]

I removed few images from view in the Fillmore and Western Railway article April 2013. The article had a gallery cleanup message. Is it okay to make the images appear in the article again? TheGGoose (talk) 03:44, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

It looks like the images that used to be in the gallery were put into the text, a better practice. So I'm not sure what your question is? Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk)
I'm talking about three images taken off from the article from an edit I had done in April 8, 2013. They show a turntable. Do they deserve to be seen in the article again? TheGGoose (talk) 23:40, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
With respect, I knew nothing of the line, prior to my one edit there... Put 'em back & I'll take a look? --Pete Tillman (talk) 00:19, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Actually it was four images. I just restored them to the article — they are the last four images in descending order, but they extend down beyond the External Links section. The images could be moved to different parts of the article. TheGGoose (talk) 14:34, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
  • OK. I took out the older Thomas the Tank foto, and took out the last 2 turntable fotos as overkill. Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 19:17, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

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Talk refs[edit]

There's a nice new (at least new-ish to me) template for talk page refs {{reflist talk}} Guettarda (talk) 16:21, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Belated thanks! Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 19:24, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


I've created Category:Members of JASON and did a little populating, in case you want to pick it up. --The Cunctator (talk) 19:49, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

File:Cerro Colorado Mts.jpg[edit]

Hey Pete, I came across File:Cerro Colorado Mts.jpg that you uploaded years ago, but I am not sure why a fair use image would be appropriate to illustrate a mountain range, surely a free image could be taken at any time could it not? --kelapstick(bainuu) 01:30, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I suppose at the time I thought it had historic value (1959 photo) -- but would have no problem with replacing it with a free image if/when we could find one. Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 04:03, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Willie Soon[edit]

One of your edits did something funny to the SPPI ref; I am on mobile and can't easily fix it myself, but perhaps you could. Best, JBL (talk) 22:39, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

I looked, but couldn't find it. Didn't see anything obviously broken. Sorry! Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 23:53, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Fixed it. Vsmith (talk) 01:43, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! --Pete Tillman (talk) 02:03, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Pete, a note to say I've undone an IP edit proposing socking, which isn't a good move. dave souza, talk 08:58, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Just to say sorry to hear of the real life difficulties you've been having lately, hope everything works out. While we've disagreed about weight in climate change articles, you've generally been amicable, and I've admired the work you've done in other topic areas. All the best, dave souza, talk 08:58, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi Pete, like Dave souza I hope everything works out for you and your wife. Unlike Dave souza I've admired the work you've done in the specific area of climate change; you'll be missed by a lot of people. In the WP:AE it was shown how Mann jess had forced in a negative description and then over and over reverted the many editors who tried to restore according to sources (including four reverts in one day on what is supposed to be a 1RR), and how JzG had used "swivel-eyed loon" to describe Monckton -- but administrators only looked at you. It's a good thing for Wikipedia that Watts's followers don't see the real horrors that go on, I see some are still peddling the myth that William Connolley is the problem source. I like to hope, though, that you'll actually enjoy now a long vacation from the nags and threats and put-downs. I know you shouldn't reply to that because of the ban; it's just my attempt to, like Dave souza again, wish you: "All the best". Peter Gulutzan (talk) 01:45, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for removing image for Anna Tambour listing. Please don't replace it with another.[edit]

I appreciate you removing the image of me taken by Cat Sparks. It is not that that image was unflattering, but that I dislike pictures taken of me at all, and strongly object to the invasion of privacy, so they all end up being unflattering because I have been photographed while I objected but was too polite to shove my hand in the camera's face. As I'm a writer and not a person who lives by her image, I hope that Wikipedia can respect this point of view, and not put up yet another picture of me. I also strongly object being shoved into nationality and sex ghettos. I am not a Women this-or-that, but a this-or-that, and am also an internationalist, not a nationalist, and even with that, I have mixed nationality as I have lived in many places and have mixed background. So far, these objections have been not only ignored but indignantly steamrollered by what looks to me like very undemocratic cliques. I see that you, Mr. Tillman, have tried at all times to bring the best quality information to Wikipedia, so I hope that this note to you is taken in the respect I mean to communicate to you. Finally, I hope I've done this correctly. I've never done this before. Falinquin (talk) 06:46, 6 September 2015 (UTC) (Anna Tambour) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Falinquin (talkcontribs) 06:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Categories are being cut up arbitrarily, harming usefulness as it defies referencing[edit]

Mr. Tillman, thinking further about your active editing and your interest in policy, I thought that maybe you would be interested in this issue. Although I spoke personally in my previous note to you, I always thought of this as a broad issue, and one of paramount importance, if Wikipedia is to truly be worthy of the confidence placed in it. If someone wants to find, for instance, Novelists, that is diced up into many different cuts. Take Jeffrey Ford. In his entry, he is listed as: "20th-century novelists" and "21st-century American novelists" but is left out in the Wikipedia entry List of American novelists".

In trying to talk to other editors, I've given many examples in the Anna Tambour talk site in Wikipedia that show how taking someone out of a general list for the purpose of often quite limiting and often misleading hypercategorisation--while still having general lists--only serves to make people with agendas happy while doing nothing for scholars and people just wanting to look up, say, Food Writers, a reasonable enough desire, seeing that that is how people think of the category, and that there is a Guild of Food Writers. Myrtle Allen scores. She gets (in her categories) "Food writer" while Sophie Grigson must make do with "English Food Writers" and on this page, it's pot luck who get in. Seeing that there are food writers who write about food all over the world, this becomes a mess quite quickly. With someone like Claudia Roden, these minicategorisations are truly ludicrous, and frankly, insulting. She is co-chair with Paul Levy of the Oxford Symposium on Food and Cookery; a leader of the study of food as part of culture and history; and has written a number of groundbreaking books, yet she earns "Women cookbook writers" and is totally excluded in "Cookbook writers" here: She is truly an internationalist, based in the UK, but to categorise her as is done in her entry "English food writers" is ludicrous.

There are many other people who by this mania for ghettoising categorisation, miss where they shpuld be, in broader categories where people really want to look. There is another reason too, why I hope that you might spearhead a real soulsearching amongst editors about this. Wikipedia should be a place that people can find and discover. By shoving people and who knows what else into smaller and smaller disparate boxes, discovery becomes more and more impossible. Please bring back broad categories and end this nationalisation and sexual discrimination, however well intended. (talk) 08:05, 6 September 2015 (UTC) Falinquin (Anna Tambour) (talk) 08:02, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

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Fargo and De Soto Power Wagon[edit]

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Franklin and Mackenzie LIPs[edit]

Hi Tillman. I noticed you added an image for the Franklin dike swarm. Would you do me a favor and ask Mike on flickr if he has taken any pics of the Franklin LIP flood basalts? I know they exist on Victoria Island as part of the Natkusiak Formation. There are also the Coppermine River basalts of the Mackenzie LIP. It would be great to get more pics of these LIPs on Commons to use in their articles. Volcanoguy 07:21, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

I'll ask, but those might be out of his area.... You've looked in, eg Flickr & google advanced image searches, for free stuff? Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 21:54, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Disputed allegation of violation of topic ban, by the complainant[edit]

Tillman, this is a violation of your topic ban from climate change. Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon are both well known for their involvement in climate change denial, and additionally, your edit to remove mention of Soon's funding from the fossil fuel industry also overlaps with that topic. Editing Coal Oil Point seep field is also testing the bounds of the TB, at a minimum. I'm not posting to AE, or requesting action (though another editor may), but I wanted to point out that stepping over the bounds of your sanctions would be ill-advised. Otherwise, I hope you've been doing well.   — Jess· Δ 04:13, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

My edit had nothing to do with climate. NPOV for BLP. Thanks for your interest. --Pete Tillman (talk) 04:32, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
The passage you edited reads: "Baliunas contends that findings of human influence on climate change are motivated by financial considerations... She does not address the countervailing financial considerations of the energy companies that fund some of her collaborators, including Willie Soon who received over $1,000,000 from petroleum and coal interests since 2001." Your edit is absolutely a clear violation, and I'm concerned there may be similar violations in the future if you think this falls outside the purview of your sanctions. We can ask at AE if you would feel more comfortable with another opinion, but I was assuming that wouldn't be necessary, and a friendly reminder would suffice.   — Jess· Δ 16:42, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
I see you have mooted this discussion by reverting the edit. I disagree with your reasoning, both there and (especially) here. Your " friendly reminder ", coming from the complainant & instigator of the topic ban, is, well, *interesting*. Could there be a COI in your complaint? Perhaps I shd take a friendly interest in your edits, as well. Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 20:47, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Environmental impact of the Wikimedia movement[edit]

Hi Tillman, I created an essay regarding the environmental impact of the Wikimedia movement on Meta and I am now looking for ideas regarding the project. I saw that you're interested in sustainability, so I'd love to hear your comments and maybe even have your support! Thanks, --Gnom (talk) 21:55, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

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Little Finland is on that map?[edit]

You have better eyes than me. I haven't found it. Maybe you know where to look. I've never been told before that's it's irrelevant that an in-line citation doesn't support the content. Perhaps better to cite the map? Gab4gab (talk) 22:44, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

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Non-working external link at The Left Hand of Darkness[edit]

Hello Tillman. One of this article's external links seems to have been added by you in 2009. This is stated to be the author's introduction, and it goes to a website,, which is no longer on line. The article is now in the middle of an FA nomination, which could interest you, but I am writing to see if you mind if I remove the non-working external link. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:38, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Ed, replaced with archived text. I'll take a look at the nom too. Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 13:50, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for updating the link at The Left Hand of Darkness, but shouldn't we be wary of copyright? EdJohnston (talk) 16:55, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
You don't think it would be Fair use? It's just a link to existing material, WP:EL. But if you think it's a problem, take it out. --Pete Tillman (talk) 17:43, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
I would be tempted to replace it with since it is on a publisher's web site. It's hard to argue that the copy Penguin provides is done without permission. EdJohnston (talk) 19:25, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

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