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Chun-Li

nikki minaj had a major hit / alter ego named "chun-li", based in turn on some video game or comic book. we might need to watch for these articles cross-contaminating. 2601:19C:527F:A660:FD5B:D95F:5A7A:BD41 (talk) 06:53, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are many "Chun Li"'s -- Chun Li (disambiguation) shows the ones on Wikipedia with articles -- "Chun-Li" is a character in the Japanese fighting videogame "Street Fighter" -- 64.229.90.199 (talk) 16:31, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The suspect's family name is Zhao. Chun-Li are given names. We dont fret over Biden's given name Joe, so why worry about Chun-Li? WWGB (talk) 00:14, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

joe is common; chun-li is not (only a few on that disambig page actually match, character-wise). with the OTHER one so famous, misposts and misdirects may be a problem. imagine if the suspect were a "beyonce" someone.

there are already a few chinese sources using the wrong characters for his name.

hopefully it doesn't spread to english. 2601:19C:527F:A660:343B:4680:EDA7:7B11 (talk) 00:32, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Name of the suspect

According to the World Journal, the name of the suspect is 趙春利 (Zhao Chunli) in Chinese.^[1] So his surname is Zhao.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 09:11, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it "趙春麗" ? ^[2]^[3] -- 64.229.90.199 (talk) 16:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I sincerely appreciate your effort to clear up the confusion regarding his name. HumanOblivion (talk) 16:46, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have added his name to the infobox. HumanOblivion (talk) 17:03, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i don't see his name in the infobox or anywhere.

a few outlets are reporting it as "趙春麗" but the vast majority have "趙春利". i believe phoenix was correct in the first place.

"春麗", as i warned, is so famous from comics/video games/rap that mistakes were bound to happen.

btw, why are we using old-fashioned characters here? was he from taiwan?

they're using mainland spelling for "zhao", so i would assume he or his parents were PRC-direct. characters should match: "赵春利" 2601:19C:527F:A660:343B:4680:EDA7:7B11 (talk) 00:17, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"赵春丽" doesn't seem to be used for this person (the simplified form of "趙春麗").

If it's supposed to be simplified, shouldn't it be "赵春利" instead of "趙春利" ?

-- 64.229.90.199 (talk) 05:41, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

赵春利 -- isn't that what i JUST SAID?

the handful of uses of 赵春丽 out there are just MISTAKEN, i believe. as i ALSO (didn't i?) said. 2601:19C:527F:A660:343B:4680:EDA7:7B11 (talk) 07:45, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some seem to be using "赵春利" ^[4]^[5] -- 64.229.90.199 (talk) 05:41, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

sources from simplified-char media and sources from traditional-char media can use whichever they want (changing the original), but if we're choosing one or the other to put into an ENGLISH PARENTHETICAL, it should be the actual one used, no? 2601:19C:527F:A660:343B:4680:EDA7:7B11 (talk) 07:50, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The sources note in parentheses that the writing of his name is a phonetic transliteration to match the English, so we aren't that certain about the characters, although Zhao does appear to be the surname, which is also reflected in other places in the Wikipedia article. Vacosea (talk) 06:11, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "北加半月灣槍擊華人農工7死3重傷 67歲趙春利落網" [7 Chinese farmers and workers were killed and 3 were seriously injured in the shooting in Half Moon Bay of Northern California. 67-year-old Zhao Chunli was arrested]. World Journal. January 23, 2023.
^ "加州除夕槍擊案後舊金山再傳華裔男開槍至少7死" [After the New Year's Eve shooting in California, at least 7 Chinese men shot dead in San Francisco]. ITN News Taiwan. 24 January 2023.
^ "槍手闖加州農場掃射釀7死遭警逮" [Gunman shoots 7 dead at California ranch, arrested by police]. Yahoo News Taiwan. NOW News. 24 January 2023.
^ "3天内加州第2起大规模枪击案！美警方：已造成7人死亡、1人受伤" [2nd mass shooting in California in 3 days! U.S. police: 7 dead, 1 injured]. Sohu (搜狐). 24 January 2023.
^ 王沫初 (24 January 2023). "加州再现大规模枪击案已致7死，"受害者是华人工人"" [The mass shooting in California has caused 7 deaths, "the victim is a Chinese worker"]. 观察者网 (Guancha).

What vehicle did Chunli drive?

The video of his arrest released by KGO-TV looks like he drove a red 2000s Lexus, but was unclear if it is. ImDeadAsADoornail (talk) 09:30, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ImDeadAsADoornail – One of the refs mentions maroon Lexus SUV which I added prior to seeing your comment here. Please edit my add if you think it would flow better in a different slot in the article body. Cheers! {{u|WikiWikiWayne}} {Talk} 21:11, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alright! ImDeadAsADoornail (talk) 22:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unless there's a reason it matters, we don't need to include it. And unless reliable sources are mentioning it, we definitely don't include it. I'm going to remove this again. Please, @ImDeadAsADoornail, don't add it back without both 1. a good reason and 2. a reliable source. Valereee (talk) 22:30, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

killer's connection with China

Zhao and his wife went to a Chinese bank in Cupertino once a month for at least the past five years to send remittances to China. "Yoyo Duan, a supervisor at a Chinese bank in Cupertino near the restaurant where Zhao used to work, said Zhao and his wife came in once a month for at least the past five years to send remittances to China. The last time Duan saw them was a month ago." Half Moon Bay mass shooting suspect once tried to suffocate co-worker, court records allege, San Francisco Chronicle, 2023-01-24

This edit with key information is completely fit the wiki guidance!

--Wildcursive (talk) 12:34, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The relevant policy is WP:ONUS:

While information must be verifiable for inclusion in an article, not all verifiable information must be included. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article. Such information should be omitted or presented instead in a different article. The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.

Can you explain why you believe it's inclusion is important to understand the shooting? —Bagumba (talk) 12:43, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Probably because he is Taiwanese and hates everything about China? WWGB (talk) 13:15, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how this is relevant enough; it merely shows he sent money to his family, which millions of immigrants do. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 13:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To add to this article: Zhao is from China and has lived in the U.S. for more than a dozen years. 204.11.186.190 (talk) 13:07, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BLP non-notable uninvolved person

I've removed the name of a non-notable co-worker/roommate as a BLP violation. Valereee (talk) 19:04, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

car

@ImDeadAsADoornail, I'm not finding this content in the source that follows: here. I'm not sure it's more than trivia, anyway. Valereee (talk) 22:24, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clarifying how we create articles

We absolutely do not add into an article about a current event every detail we can dig up from anywhere on the web. We include content that helps a reader understand the subject. If a detail does not do that, it's probably simply bloat. For instance, in almost every instance it will not matter what make or year a car is. Valereee (talk) 22:28, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Coverage

the fact that the 2023 Monterey Park shooting and this one both featured elderly asian men targeting other asians, within days of each other, has gotten some media coverage, which I think should be reflected in both articles. Its certainly noteworthy how it deviates from the usual mass shooting patterns in the US.

NBC: Back-to-back California shootings reflect an American tragedy, not an ‘Asian issue,’ experts say

LATimes: 3 California mass shootings force grieving Asian Americans to ask painful questions

The Guardian: ‘It perpetuates fear’: Monterey Park shooting compounds trauma in Asian American communities

USA Today: 'But the shooter was Asian!' That doesn't negate the reality of anti-Asian violence.

--jonas (talk) 12:03, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "北加半月灣槍擊華人農工7死3重傷 67歲趙春利落網" [7 Chinese farmers and workers were killed and 3 were seriously injured in the shooting in Half Moon Bay of Northern California. 67-year-old Zhao Chunli was arrested]. World Journal. January 23, 2023.

[2] "加州除夕槍擊案後舊金山再傳華裔男開槍至少7死" [After the New Year's Eve shooting in California, at least 7 Chinese men shot dead in San Francisco]. ITN News Taiwan. 24 January 2023.

[3] "槍手闖加州農場掃射釀7死遭警逮" [Gunman shoots 7 dead at California ranch, arrested by police]. Yahoo News Taiwan. NOW News. 24 January 2023.

[4] "3天内加州第2起大规模枪击案！美警方：已造成7人死亡、1人受伤" [2nd mass shooting in California in 3 days! U.S. police: 7 dead, 1 injured]. Sohu (搜狐). 24 January 2023.

[5] 王沫初 (24 January 2023). "加州再现大规模枪击案已致7死，"受害者是华人工人"" [The mass shooting in California has caused 7 deaths, "the victim is a Chinese worker"]. 观察者网 (Guancha).

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