Talk:Balfour Declaration

Which Declaration?

I noticed when searching newspaper archives that Lord Balfour made many Declarations. The greatest number of newspaper stories emanate from his Declarations on Tariffs, especially the declaration made in 1910 Have you discussed putting a date on this, because he made so many "Declarations" that it's a bit of a joke about Lord Balfour's fondness for making them? Petedavo ^{talk contributions} 06:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Read the discussions for 2 weeks ago - Galatz^Talk 13:17, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Only talks about two of his declarations on Palestine (there were three), but then he's most famous for his Declarations on Tarrifs prior to this. Maybe this artivle should have (Palestine) after rather than a date, and his one on Tarrifs (Tarriofs) etc? Petedavo ^{talk contributions} 05:05, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

References

Suez Canal

Israel was turned into a state to protect the Rothschild barons' 1875 bond loan which funded the purchase of the Suez Canal. The Israeli army rolled down the Sinai Peninsula to take control of the Eastern part of the Suez Canal, in 1956, with the Suez Crisis, when Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal. From the Rothschild Bank's old history page: "And still there were great moments, like the decisively swift and secret raising of finance by Lionel de Rothschild in 1875 to enable the British government to acquire a major interest in the Suez Canal." — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrSativa (talk • contribs) 30 November 2016 (UTC)

This sounds like fantasy. It is highly unlikely the loan was outstanding for 80 years. According to the Rothschild archive, the loan was repaid in 4 months. Oncenawhile (talk) 11:50, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

McMahon in lede

@No More Mr Nice Guy: re the section you added back into the lede, it is much too much detail on the McMahon letters for an article on the Balfour Declaration. Also, the sentence "The British claimed that the McMahon letters did not apply to Palestine, therefore the Declaration could not be a violation of the previous agreement" is a poor summary of the facts - as the McMahon article says, the British originally said Palestine was included, and even when they changed their mind about "intent" the conclusion of the 1939 committee re the actual legal commitment was along the lines of "it's complicated". Oncenawhile (talk) 07:46, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

@No More Mr Nice Guy: please self revert. You have restored reverted text without discussion, in direct contravention of WP:ARBPIA requirements. You did not even attempt to respond to this discussion thread. Oncenawhile (talk) 17:54, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Actually it's you who has removed longstanding consensus compromise wording, twice at this point. You are the one who restored reverted text (although kudos for waiting a couple of months for your slow edit war), and you are the one who is in violation of ARBPIA requirements. The reason I did not reply to your comment above, as you know from our dealings on other articles, is that I do not allow you to waste my time unless at least one other editor supports your position. Didn't happen in this case - neither in discussion or in article edits - but we're both used to that at this point. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 19:51, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

the Zionist entity

“The Arab-Israeli conflict in a wider sense ran primarily from 1948-73 but extended in a more limited manner to 2006, and finally became the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, the ongoing local conflict which also began in 1948”

@Oncenawhile: I don’t know who wrote this but Israel only has a ceasefire (still at war) with many countries and is still regularly bombing Syria/ Lebanon and occasionally Sudan. Both Syria and Lebanon also have territorial claims and many countries do not recognize the Zionist entity.

The idea that Israel is now involved in an ongoing local conflict with the Palestinians is ludicrous. It is a lot border than that. Israel only has peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt. The Arab Peace Initiative has not gone anywhere yet.Jonney2000 (talk) 12:12, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

OK. This is a tricky topic to summarise in one sentence! How about:

• "The Arab-Israeli conflict in a wider sense ran primarily from 1948-73, but continues today, mainly in the form of the more localized Israeli–Palestinian conflict"

Personally I think the distinction between the A-I and I-P is ludicrous, but this is what Wikipedia consensus has agreed as we stand today, so I am following it.

Oncenawhile (talk) 21:14, 17 March 2017 (UTC)