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The fifth sentence of the third paragraph in the lead reads, "After a failed health care reform attempt, Republicans won control of Congress in 1994, for the first time in forty years." Please remove the comma after "1994". There is no reason for a comma to be used there. 173.160.120.30 (talk) 02:30, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- Partly done: I've rewritten the sentence to make it clearer. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- The sentence now has a comma splice and a dangling modifier. Please insert the word "and" after the comma and change "After a failed attempt at introducing" to "After he failed to introduce". As it is written, the sentence makes it sound like the Republicans tried to introduce Clinton's health care reform plan. 173.160.120.30 (talk) 05:36, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- Done Better? Rivertorch (talk) 08:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- Great. Thanks. 173.160.120.30 (talk) 13:22, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Thank you for taking the trouble to comment and follow up. Rivertorch (talk) 15:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- Great. Thanks. 173.160.120.30 (talk) 13:22, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- Done Better? Rivertorch (talk) 08:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- The sentence now has a comma splice and a dangling modifier. Please insert the word "and" after the comma and change "After a failed attempt at introducing" to "After he failed to introduce". As it is written, the sentence makes it sound like the Republicans tried to introduce Clinton's health care reform plan. 173.160.120.30 (talk) 05:36, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Honors
President Clinton has honorary British appointments. Why is this not listed? 72.228.22.228 (talk) 06:33, 25 November 2012 (UTC) Shgdjf345 (talk) 16:46, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
possible edits to introduction
I'm not sure if this is important, but I'm thinking about a rewrite of "He implemented Don't ask, don't tell, a controversial intermediate step to full gay military integration"; a few changes I'm considering to the introduction: using "homosexual" as opposed to "gay", for formal style; adding "He also implemented" because the previous sentence also related to a bill being signed into law, and a citation for "After a failed health care reform attempt, the Republican Party won control of Congress in 1994 for the first time in 40 years." I would appreciate further discussion of these possible changes, and whether they should be made. --Zer0n888 (talk) 16:58, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- It would probably be OK to change the word gay in this case. If you check the following reference (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/654), they do indeed use the word homosexual in this context. However, for clarity, I would replace the phrase, "intermediate step to full gay military integration" to read "intermediate step to full integration of homosexuals into the military" On the other hand, do not replace gay in the phrase "gay and lesbian liaison office" which occurs later in the article, because that is what the White House in fact calls it.--Toploftical (talk) 21:51, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback! much appreciated. the other 2 issues still go unaddressed, however. --Zer0n888 (talk) 01:47, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
- Various style manuals and dictionaries deprecate the use of "homosexual" as a noun because it is widely considered offensive. The word "gay" is quite acceptable for formal writing. Rivertorch (talk) 10:20, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but "homosexual" means simply "same-sexual" so one who is attracted to the same sex, whereas "gay" simply means "pleased or gleeful". I have used the word "homosexual" in many conversations without objection, and I have never heard the word "homosexual" used as an insult. --Zer0n888 (talk) 21:45, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
- That's fine, but we don't rely on how individual editors have heard words used; that's original research. At least three major style manuals deprecate the usage that I described, and at least one major dictionary, The American Heritage Dictionary, has contained a usage note to that effect at least since its third edition (published over 20 years ago). As for the word "gay", it has multiple meanings. If you can find any reliable source that describes its usage in the sexual orientation sense as informal or nonstandard, I'd be interested to see it. I assume you're not actually arguing that our readership would mistake the current wording as referring to pleased or gleeful soldiers. Rivertorch (talk) 05:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Fair enough, I appreciate the comment, and I will most likely keep the "gay" used on the page, although the source does use the word "homosexual", however, and we can talk about this more privately(perhaps through the village pump, reply if you're interested), I still see "homosexual" as a perfectly reasonable term(again, I would be happy to discuss this at the village pump). the other 2 issues(see first post) are open to discussion, as well. --Zer0n888 (talk) 19:53, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- There are multiple Village Pump pages, none of which is usually on my watchlist, so a link would be appreciated (at my talk page or here) if you start such a discussion. Just by way of background, recent discussion on this general usage topic has occurred at a relevant WikiProject. (Btw, please see Help:Talk_page#Indentation for advice on formatting a discussion thread. It doesn't matter too much when there are only two or three people talking, but the way we're doing it now could get very confusing if lots of editors joined in.) Rivertorch (talk) 22:52, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
College and law school years
The last three citations in the third paragraph (13, 14, & 15) are from self-published sources. Self-published sources are to never be used for biographies of living people. I think it's safe to assume that conservatives and/or Vietnam veterans would criticize Clinton for this during his campaign but these specific sources need to be removed. I will add a citation from the LA Times that claims the incident was politically damaging. Ceaseless (talk) 09:12, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Second president to be impeached?
"This made Clinton only the second U.S. president to be impeached (the first being Andrew Johnson)."
Wouldn't better wording be second president to face an impeachment trial? He was ultimately acquitted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.133.63.120 (talk) 21:01, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Being impeached = facing an impeachment trial. He was not removed from office, but he was definitely impeached. That's like saying someone was never on trial when they're just found not guilty. They still had the trial.--Louiedog (talk) 04:37, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Worship?
If I were to have landed on earth from another planet, or a distant country, and read this article, I'd assume nearly all the best about B.C. after reading it. The intro itself is filled with superlative adjectives and emphasizes his "accomplishments" based on narrowed polls which really reflect more the economy of the time than the person himself. Where is the personal analysis of said "man?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.172.209.217 (talk) 04:37, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I don't want to get in a reversion war when I am not an expert on the topic. this edit reverted my earlier reversion. Whywhenwhohow (talk · contribs) and I seem to disagree on this. I will call in some experts on the topic.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:45, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
- I agree with the revert of that contribution which seemed to contain links to very parisan articles. Republican revolution? Other links are not needed as they are in the article already elsewhere. Some stuff seems like it would be uncontroversial to return while other stuff should remain off the page. Please discuss this and not just look outside the article for input before a discussion is actually made here.--Amadscientist (talk) 06:38, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- I'd put back the links to lists by age & succession, & the Vietnam link; the Republican Revolution might be a bit POV, but that's how it was characterized & that's when it happened. (Not having read the page, if it's more about why & how than when, I'd delete it, too.) TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 13:40, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- I agree with the revert of that contribution which seemed to contain links to very parisan articles. Republican revolution? Other links are not needed as they are in the article already elsewhere. Some stuff seems like it would be uncontroversial to return while other stuff should remain off the page. Please discuss this and not just look outside the article for input before a discussion is actually made here.--Amadscientist (talk) 06:38, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Many of those links violate the guidelines on link clarity, easter eggs, and dates (WP:LINKCLARITY, WP:EGG, MOS:UNLINKDATES). Also, it is not necessary to link American or United States in the English Wikipedia. Whywhenwhohow (talk) 03:17, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
- Please explain your individual objections to each of the following that I would like to restore to the article:
--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:47, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- Whywhenwhohow, please comment on these items individually by the end of the month or I will do a wholesale reversion.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:28, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Irish/Scotch-Irish?
Bill Clinton has mentioned his "Irish ansectors" in speeches giveen around St. Patrick's Day. What IS his ancestry? Does he have any documentation that proves he is of Irish descent or does he just wish it should be so and because he's Bill Clinton, I'm supposed to accept his word for it? Where is his evidence? 74.69.11.229 (talk) 01:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
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